At what point does feedback spam warrant a ban / nuking?

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 13, 2019, 10:56:38 AM

Quote from: DaveF on November 13, 2019, 08:20:29 AM

Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2014, 10:08:38 AM

Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings.

Now if this is not trust spam I don't know what is.

Have you tried sending theymos a PM?

Honestly no. I was hoping to have a more public conversation about it.
GP is not the 1st nor will he be the last. But yeah, it might be time.
PMming him now.

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Quote from: DaveF on November 13, 2019, 08:20:29 AM

Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2014, 10:08:38 AM

Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings.

Now if this is not trust spam I don't know what is.

Have you tried sending theymos a PM?

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 12, 2019, 08:14:32 AM

I am 1 of the profiles he has been leaving negs on. He's doing it to every account that has supported a flag against him. You're not the 1st to complain and the staff hasn't done anything yet. Guess we just deal with it and move on.

But I can keep complaining.
Here is the new thing [OK, I don't know if it's new or I just noticed it] GP is deleting old feedback and posting new feedback.

It was quoted earlier in this thread but:

Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2014, 10:08:38 AM

Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.)

I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default.

Now if this is not trust spam I don't know what is.

Also, remember keep poking this troll not trolls in general just this one. Why? Because the more you poke him the less time he has to steal from anyone else.

[Most people can stop reading here]

The main reason I think this guy is worse then others is he is going after people who may have already been ripped off by a casino / gambling site. They are already stressed and worried and he is taking advantage of that. There have been many many many scams in the crypto world and there will be many many many more. But if you are just looking to make a buck and get ripped off that is bad. Very bad. Going after people who already got ripped off and trying to steal more money from them is WORSE IMO.
Dave's view. YMMV on how you feel about it.

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I am 1 of the profiles he has been leaving negs on. He's doing it to every account that has supported a flag against him. You're not the 1st to complain and the staff hasn't done anything yet. Guess we just deal with it and move on.

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And another 12 left as of 13:00 UTC today.
Yes I'm still here posting in this thread, and yes I still feel like I am talking to myself.
But I will keep commenting on it until some mod does something or tells me to stop.

It's really that simple. All @theymos or any other mod has to say is "Dave, stop it we are not banning him, let it go"
And you know what, I'll let it go. Until that point, I'll keep poking the bear.

-Dave

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Oh look another 75+ feedbacks posted on the 10th.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254;page=sent;offset=0

And yet, he is still here.

Makes you wonder if he has a script to bang them out or if he is sitting there copy / pasting them in one at a time.

I know, ignore the troll. I know, if for whatever reason he has not earned a ban by now he is probably not going to get one.

I can still bitch about it.

-Dave

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Quote from: Coyster on November 09, 2019, 06:16:28 PM

Quote from: DaveF on November 09, 2019, 05:25:39 PM

Sooner or later this clown is going to have to be dealt with.

Do you think GP would bother about that, I really do not think so, Infact he'll be enjoying the attention he is getting, this trolls love it when more threads are made about them, it helps them to stay relevant, I'll ask you to let it slide, ignore GP till theymos decides he has had enough, though theymos has such an elastic temper, so that may happen in a very long time.

As I posted elsewhere, the more we engage him here the less time he has to try to steal from other people.
Yeah, it's close to a 0% chance that it will happen again that someone will fall for his scam, but if he is here then he is not elsewhere trying to get peoples money.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 10, 2019, 02:55:24 AM

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on November 05, 2019, 10:33:21 AM

Maybe there should be implemented a limit of feedbacks / trust / flags in a given time (if it doesn't exist already)?

There are limits already, but they are quite high:

Quote from: theymos on February 02, 2019, 09:50:26 AM

OK, new limits:
- You can't give more than 5 ratings to a single user.
- Your total sent ratings is limited to three times your activity, but at least 1.
- The comment length is limited to 600 characters, but each newline counts as 120 characters.

Ah, that explains why I never received a 6th negative trust from Hatch Support! Cheesy

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on November 05, 2019, 10:33:21 AM

Maybe there should be implemented a limit of feedbacks / trust / flags in a given time (if it doesn't exist already)?

There are limits already, but they are quite high:

Quote from: theymos on February 02, 2019, 09:50:26 AM

OK, new limits:
- You can't give more than 5 ratings to a single user.
- Your total sent ratings is limited to three times your activity, but at least 1.
- The comment length is limited to 600 characters, but each newline counts as 120 characters.

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He's been an absolute idiot with trust feedback for a long while now, at least more than a year. He's just getting more attention for being the idiot that he is.

TBH, at the very least, I think trust feedback should be displayed publicly (where-as you don't have to be logged in to see it), so that people can at least lookup GP, and see that he's an absolute sham.

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Quote from: DaveF on November 09, 2019, 05:25:39 PM

Sooner or later this clown is going to have to be dealt with.

Do you think GP would bother about that, I really do not think so, Infact he'll be enjoying the attention he is getting, this trolls love it when more threads are made about them, it helps them to stay relevant, I'll ask you to let it slide, ignore GP till theymos decides he has had enough, though theymos has such an elastic temper, so that may happen in a very long time.

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And another 4 left over the last 3 days.
Since the powers that be don't want to issue a ban for the feedback spam, every time I remember to check I will post here bumping this thread to the top of Meta.
Sooner or later this clown is going to have to be dealt with.

It's not even about the scamming anymore. It's the abuse of the trust feature.

Fine don't want to permaban or nuke. At least a nice long vacation.

-Dave

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Maybe there should be implemented a limit of feedbacks / trust / flags in a given time (if it doesn't exist already)? Similar to the bump limit (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bumping-changes-on-some-boards-5183553).
Practically, this would mean that an user isn't allowed to give multiple feedbacks in the same day, for example. Or, another suggestion, in case that several reputable members here (maybe those from trusted list) vote against someone's flag (example: 50 vote to oppose against what a spammer sustains about someone via feedback / flag etc), this user should have a given amount of time until he is able to post again feedbacks / flags.

Besides, maybe it could be implemented a system where if a big number of reputable members (DT list, for example) vote for banning / deleting someone's account, this action to be performed automatically, without having to involve mods / administrators / theymos.

Does it make sense what I'm saying here?

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Kind of feel like I am talking to myself here but
Hatch Support https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2477143 is not far behind GP in terms of feedback spam and they also are opening up dozens of bogus flags.

Yes I know the flags are not important because they will probably never get support. But going around opening the "violated a written contract, resulting in damages" flags on dozens people has got to be worth a ban.

Just venting, but it's really getting bad again out there with some users.

-Dave

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And they left another 65+ spam feedbacks today.
100% useless but at some point in time I would like to think some mod someplace would boot do something about it.

Even if it's just a really long ban instead of being nuked. I mean, lets get real G-P is just a troll at this point.

-Dave

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Another 6 today. (3 users @ 2 each)
And lets take a look at this insanity:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5179453

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 07, 2019, 04:17:36 PM

I don't know about supporting that flag, because I haven't read the entire scam accusation against him and I'm not completely sure he's a scammer.

TL;DR

The scam accusations against him are based on the fact that he's offering a service to "protect" you from casino's scamming you.
Some sort of crypto casino insurance scheme, if I remember correctly. Though he has no actual power to actually do anything, while he's still charging you.

Not sure if he's still actually charging people, but I remember that's how he started out and that was the main reason why he got negative feedback in the beginning.

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I will say no more if that will surely ban him for good, it seems he has a huge time to spare to give those childish feedbacks.

Quote from: hd49728 on August 21, 2019, 01:50:17 AM

If what people talked is true, game-protect was temparory banned weeks ago. It is just assumption and what we talked about, because it is a bit abnormal to see that account was inactive for several days.

Deserves him right, because if there's no basis with the accusation against him then why so serious on all those things? I am guessing he got 60 or more days of ban.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on August 07, 2019, 04:18:31 PM

Here's the catch though, the more we discuss about his recent behavior the more he becomes popular and what ever he's promoting gets popular.

He is already so famous, without his recent trust spam.

Quote from: Lafu on August 07, 2019, 04:26:44 PM

There was 2 that got banned about that , but dont know the names , remember that theymos deletes all his feedbacks and he got a ban !
The other one i guess has done nearly the same and got an Temp ban for that ! Damn cant find the User for now .

If what people talked is true, game-protect was temparory banned weeks ago. It is just assumption and what we talked about, because it is a bit abnormal to see that account was inactive for several days.

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Quote from: DaveF on August 19, 2019, 11:31:49 AM

But I really think it's time to get some mods on board with a nice ban for him.

I do not think he'll get banned for all his inconsequential feedbacks as they really do not hold any ground, so no need paying any attention to him and his feedbacks.
Though they(his feedbacks)could be considered as worthless spamming, which could get his account nuked for 7 days as a warning to him, if this continues then maybe a 15 and 30 days ban respectively, which if no change, then a perma ban for the account just as the rules posits.
The mods will have to decide on that based on the severity of his offence(s).

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 19, 2019, 12:23:32 PM

Sorry for the kinda tangential post, but this made me laugh - game-protect got spammed by another trust spammer:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2658920

If I am correct, that guy is not the first one who advertise through trust page.

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Sorry for the kinda tangential post, but this made me laugh - game-protect got spammed by another trust spammer:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2658920

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Bumping this because in the 11 days since he has left another 15 negative feedback's for people who supported the flag against him, or spoke out against him.
Yes, I know stop feeding the troll.

But I really think it's time to get some mods on board with a nice ban for him.

-Dave

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on August 08, 2019, 05:15:43 AM

Well, there’s this to go by:

Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2014, 10:08:38 AM

Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings <…>
I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default.

The quote is from 2014, so it’s a long standing complaint that crops up every now and then due to childish retaliation feedback, or spamming otherwise on the Trust feedback.

Exactly. Had I gotten one about the wolfbet sig, something about it it might not be legit because of "X" reason. I most likely would have ignored it. Even if he tagged everyone in the campaign. But calling it illegal, the retaliatory trust spam, the walls of text have gotten to be an issue.

Makes you wonder if a straight timer would work:
You can leave 1 feedback per hour, counted from your last feedback.
For every current DT 1 member that leaves you negative feedback that adds an hour to that count.
theymos (and people he trusts) can set your feedback timer to whatever they want that with no restrictions.
And done.
You want to leave 100+ feedbacks after getting dinged by just 2 DT 1 members that's 300+ hours assuming you never miss the window to post.

You want to leave a wall of spam, great it's going to take you weeks. By then some mod or someone else can take a look before it gets to this point. Would be a quicker fix.

None of this would help the current situation but could make the mods life easier in the future.

-Dave

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Quote from: pugman on August 07, 2019, 04:08:11 PM

I don't think anyone has ever been banned for spamming feedback on trust walls. I do recall theymos deleting some feedback by some dumbass who spammed thousands of lines on multiple user's trust walls, but other than that I don't recall anything happening in regards to control or act against spam/retaliatory/troll-based/garbage feedback. And the reason for little to no action is because the trust feedbacks are supposed to left unmoderated to avoid collusion related crap.

May be theymos needs to do this exception for GP too. Lately he (GP) turned to be a celebrity of the forum. :-P

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 07, 2019, 04:17:36 PM

I did give him a negative and I excluded him from my trust list.

His trust rating,

I do not think anymore neg is going to do anything for him. He seems do not care about all at all.

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I think Theymos ought to consider banning him and perhaps removing his spam feedbacks.

I know theymos banned someone named John K or something long ago (can not remember it much). He can do the same for GP too or at least restrict him to leave feedback for others and remove the existing feedback he left for others.

Something seriously needs to be done against him.

@DaveF, sorry bud. I totally forgot about it earlier. Good work.

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Well, there’s this to go by:

Quote from: theymos on April 05, 2014, 10:08:38 AM

Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings <…>
I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default.

The quote is from 2014, so it’s a long standing complaint that crops up every now and then due to childish retaliation feedback, or spamming otherwise on the Trust feedback.

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There was 2 that got banned about that , but dont know the names , remember that theymos deletes all his feedbacks and he got a ban !
The other one i guess has done nearly the same and got an Temp ban for that ! Damn cant find the User for now .

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Here's the catch though, the more we discuss about his recent behavior the more he becomes popular and what ever he's promoting gets popular. So far his feedback hasn't had any effect so they are just one of those worthless troll feedbacks (atleast that's what I consider those he left on my account to be). A retaliation either won't help matters.

I would suggest a suspension on his account, disabled his ability to leave feedback on accounts and possibly delete every other feedbacks he have left especially the most recent which don't have any reasonable backings.

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Quote from: DaveF on August 07, 2019, 04:02:11 PM

Let me start with I *know* I should let this go and not feed the trolls. I know it, I can feel it in my bones just ignore him.

BUT, I do think there should be some kind of discussion about what is permitted and what is not.

You aren't rambling, my man, and it's gotten past the point where people should just ignore him--and you can't exactly put your own feedback on ignore anyway. Usually negs from non-DT members can be safely ignored, but game-protect is going above and beyond what's acceptable, especially since some folks see him to be one of the good guys (don't know why that is).

I did give him a negative and I excluded him from my trust list. I don't know about supporting that flag, because I haven't read the entire scam accusation against him and I'm not completely sure he's a scammer. But he's certainly a trust spammer and he's doing some damage to people's reputation which isn't justified. I think Theymos ought to consider banning him and perhaps removing his spam feedbacks.

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I don't think anyone has ever been banned for spamming feedback on trust walls. I do recall theymos deleting some feedback by some dumbass who spammed thousands of lines on multiple user's trust walls, but other than that I don't recall anything happening in regards to control or act against spam/retaliatory/troll-based/garbage feedback. And the reason for little to no action is because the trust feedbacks are supposed to left unmoderated to avoid collusion related crap.

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Let me start with I *know* I should let this go and not feed the trolls. I know it, I can feel it in my bones just ignore him.
But for some reason with this one I can't.

So with the above being said.
game-protect has now left over 100 negative feedbacks to anyone who dares to
1) Support the flags against him
2) Participate in a signature campaign that he does not like.
3) Make any negative comment against him.

Take a look here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254

Yes, I got 3 from him.
Since he has massive negative trust and is 99.999% never going to make it onto any trust list it really does not matter.

However,

Posting this to 50+ members profiles:

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Children reading the extremely mentally ill brain wash nonsense shit of this bitcointalk account are at a high risk of getting mentally abused!

Or this one to subSTRATA profile:

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You abused all children who had contact with you!]You abused all children who had contact with you!

Is there a limit to what will be tolerated?

I think there is and he went way past it.

If @theymos or any staff says no he didn't then I will listen to them, let it go, and ignore gp.

BUT, I do think there should be some kind of discussion about what is permitted and what is not.

Thanks for reading my ramblings.
-Dave

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