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I was once a firm believer in God.

I just thought it made sense to believe in a God who's all powerful, all knowing, and I thought that's the only way the universe began, by the creation of God.

I was a believer not blindly, but, by choice. Because, my logic said that there is a God.

It's my same reasoning that has turned me into an agnostic today.

When I question, why was the universe so unorganized? Why did God create that piece of black holes thousands of light years away if his focus was on human beings, why would a God be so selfish that he wants eternal praise, what was God doing before creating everything and does God doesn't know something which he doesn't know?

I got the only answer, "you are human and can't understand God as he's beyond logic".

Hence, my weird questions got no satisfaction.

Today, I believe that the universe is itself eternal. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed and needs no God to create it.

However, I'm open to the idea of big bang as well as maybe, a powerful force (which can be called God) created it.

But I don't know, I can just believe. I can never know.

But since I was believer before, one of my part sometimes call me back saying you are wrong. You are on wrong path and just don't want to believe by your own choice. You will be I'm hell for it. And I get scared.

What's your opinion on it? Do you get this feeling too, how do you cope with it?

If you just rely the existence of God in the Big Bang then there is still not evidence on how the world was created.
And my thought, is what pushed the Big Bang to happen and the world was created? Because if it was something that Physical powers created then why it didn't happen again, and it happened only once?
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The agnostics are probably not as bothered as we'd think, most of them probably never worry about this. As for the atheists they've made up their mind and they are willing to risk it. Heard of Pascal's wager? They constantly talk about it, except in their case they found they have nothing to bet on.

But agnostics and atheists have to hide their inner feelings in for atheists already claimed that they believe for certain that God doesn't exist. However, many who were once a religious person might have similar experiences like me where part of our former self tries to call us back.

Call it programming or whatever. I suppose people who were originally atheist or agnostic would feel something similar when they convert into a religion. Same with theists hopping from one religion to another.
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I was once a firm believer in God.

I just thought it made sense to believe in a God who's all powerful, all knowing, and I thought that's the only way the universe began, by the creation of God.

I was a believer not blindly, but, by choice. Because, my logic said that there is a God.

It's my same reasoning that has turned me into an agnostic today.

When I question, why was the universe so unorganized? Why did God create that piece of black holes thousands of light years away if his focus was on human beings, why would a God be so selfish that he wants eternal praise, what was God doing before creating everything and does God doesn't know something which he doesn't know?

I got the only answer, "you are human and can't understand God as he's beyond logic".

Hence, my weird questions got no satisfaction.

Today, I believe that the universe is itself eternal. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed and needs no God to create it.

However, I'm open to the idea of big bang as well as maybe, a powerful force (which can be called God) created it.

But I don't know, I can just believe. I can never know.

But since I was believer before, one of my part sometimes call me back saying you are wrong. You are on wrong path and just don't want to believe by your own choice. You will be I'm hell for it. And I get scared.

What's your opinion on it? Do you get this feeling too, how do you cope with it?

How did you determine that the only way to create the universe was 'by the creation of God'?  
Nobody knows how the universe was created.  Never mind one specific 'way'.  
We do not know how Physics laws work on objects smaller than Planck's time or length.

As for being on the 'wrong path', well, my epistemology is sound, and I have no doubt that all religious dogmas are products of the human mind.  The evolutionary psychological trick to help you survive in a magical, dangerous world.

Religions cannot even agree about what 'God' is or it wants.  

The fact that there are many religions, denominations, sects, cults should tell you that they are just cultural artifacts.

Religions are time capsules from the time when they were created.  They provide answers to unknowns.

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I was once a firm believer in God.

I just thought it made sense to believe in a God who's all powerful, all knowing, and I thought that's the only way the universe began, by the creation of God.

I was a believer not blindly, but, by choice. Because, my logic said that there is a God.

It's my same reasoning that has turned me into an agnostic today.

When I question, why was the universe so unorganized? Why did God create that piece of black holes thousands of light years away if his focus was on human beings, why would a God be so selfish that he wants eternal praise, what was God doing before creating everything and does God doesn't know something which he doesn't know?

I got the only answer, "you are human and can't understand God as he's beyond logic".

Hence, my weird questions got no satisfaction.

Today, I believe that the universe is itself eternal. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed and needs no God to create it.

However, I'm open to the idea of big bang as well as maybe, a powerful force (which can be called God) created it.

But I don't know, I can just believe. I can never know.

But since I was believer before, one of my part sometimes call me back saying you are wrong. You are on wrong path and just don't want to believe by your own choice. You will be I'm hell for it. And I get scared.

What's your opinion on it? Do you get this feeling too, how do you cope with it?

The agnostics are probably not as bothered as we'd think, most of them probably never worry about this. As for the atheists they've made up their mind and they are willing to risk it. Heard of Pascal's wager? They constantly talk about it, except in their case they found they have nothing to bet on.
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oh yah badecker make sure you are actually in the light rays so I can see you.
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^^^ You're down the hall from notatman, right? Or are you his new handle?
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BADecker I am going to show you something you never seen before.

I want you to go outside on a sunny day, look directly at the sun with your eye lids closed for 30secs-1min, make sure you are facing right towards the sun.
Keep your eyes closed, put the palms of your hands in front of your eyes to block all light, kind of tilt your head down away from the sun.
With your eyes lids still closed. You will see a blue you have seen before more vivid than any other blue you have seen. It will turn into little stars and form what looks like a galaxy.
With your eyes closed turn back to the sun, remove your hands from your face, you will see a red, more red than you have even seen before.

Want to know how to make green and yellow you have never seen before?  btw there is 4 primary colors, there might actually be 5 if blue and purple are not the same thing, not 3.
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^^^ You're down the hall from notatman, right? Or are you his new handle?
 Cheesy

I am not sure who that is, but I am them and you, when we wiped our ass we just took a poo.
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^^^ You're down the hall from notatman, right? Or are you his new handle?

 Cheesy
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Pick what force you want to go around.

One with your eyes open, willingly.
One with your eyes closed, forced to.

Why around? How about in and out or up and down, etc? You simply like poetry.

Cool

Pick what force you want to go around

One goes up and one goes down
One goes in and one goes out
you will understand I am talking about

One is real
One is fake
you are welcome for your birthday cake
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Pick what force you want to go around.

One with your eyes open, willingly.
One with your eyes closed, forced to.

Why around? How about in and out or up and down, etc? You simply like poetry.

Cool
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As a Matter of Fact Matter always existed and was there before Anti Matter, but both matter. We all matter.
^ I know the start of this sounds like a oxymoron but you will get it in time.

Actually, nobody knows that matter and/or antimatter always existed. We don't even know that the nothingness of empty space always existed.

Cool

I do.




And I know that it didn't.     Cool
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Pick what force you want to go around.

One with your eyes open, willingly.
One with your eyes closed, forced to.

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As a Matter of Fact Matter always existed and was there before Anti Matter, but both matter. We all matter.
^ I know the start of this sounds like a oxymoron but you will get it in time.

Actually, nobody knows that matter and/or antimatter always existed. We don't even know that the nothingness of empty space always existed.

Cool

I do.


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As a Matter of Fact Matter always existed and was there before Anti Matter, but both matter. We all matter.
^ I know the start of this sounds like a oxymoron but you will get it in time.

Actually, nobody knows that matter and/or antimatter always existed. We don't even know that the nothingness of empty space always existed.

Cool
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As a Matter of fact Matter always existed and was there before Anti Matter, but both matter. We all matter.
^ I know the start of this sounds like a oxymoron but you will get it in time.
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^^^ Okay. So you enjoy poetry.     Cool
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It takes a man and a woman to make a star. The sun creates himself after that.
It takes matter and anti matter to make space. The left over matter makes itself.
It takes all of the colors to make light, we need to unite.

There is a reason there is more anti matter in this multiverse than matter, some creations choose self destruction or total oblivion rather than being a being.
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@ OP.

But we don't know that black holes are what scientists say they are.

Big Bang Theory actually destroys itself, because, like the BB was extremely different, so was the math and physics that supposedly made it. This means that we can't use our math and physics to suggest that BB existed.

The universe still operates like a machine. Nobody knows how the machinery of the universe operates. Consider how many mistakes meteorologists make trying to predict the weather. Why does not knowing make you drop your faith in God? It would burn your brain out to make you understand how the machinery works.

But, God exists. Machines have makers.

Cool

Even the dedicated ram was pre programmed.

How did we know how to breath? and to eat? and to form eyes? how did we know how to hear? and to smell? before we were even born, how did we know how to make ourselves?
Human does not achieve self awareness until 4-5 (some never do, *cough* religious fanatics *cough*)

At a Max Planck Institute, There was the "shopping cart experiment"  
standing on a towel attached to the shopping cart the kids below 4-5 could not realize they were the ones stopping the shopping cart from moving by standing on the towel, Around 4-5 they could realize they were the reason the shopping cart could not be pushed and they had to get off the towel to push it because the towel was attached to the cart.

These turtles also have dedicated ram that was given to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEIzTDu-jx4
Baby Turtles Being Born on the Beach

Something programs the awareness before self awareness otherwise we would not even know how to breath. I like to think of it as dedicated ram.
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@ OP.

But we don't know that black holes are what scientists say they are.

Big Bang Theory actually destroys itself, because, like the BB was extremely different, so was the math and physics that supposedly made it. This means that we can't use our math and physics to suggest that BB existed.

The universe still operates like a machine. Nobody knows how the machinery of the universe operates. Consider how many mistakes meteorologists make trying to predict the weather. Why does not knowing make you drop your faith in God? It would burn your brain out to make you understand how the machinery works.

But, God exists. Machines have makers.

Cool
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Hey satan kill me now if you exist same with you devil!

I am still here, these do not exist. They are used as a form of mind control.
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How can a agnostic fear they are wrong? They don`t know what they believe in. As for Atheists they have "gods" or "Creators" their mom and their dad, they have "Creators"

Everything comes from something, show me one example of something spawning from nothing? I can show you billions upon billions of things that came from somethings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O28LhIyIs_8  Religionless Faith
Creator, created time itself, duration, therefore the creator that created time is the CREATOR of everything and must be omnipotent and live in the Omniverse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT427lPhkXs Life is a blockchain, time locks actions and thoughts.

You are right it is eternal, and there is two paths, the path to knowing everything (total Awareness) or the path to nothing (Oblivion)
Some confuse this with good and evil or heaven and hell. Creator would of known it was making a satan or devil, if you believe in them you do not have a Omniscient creator and you actually worship satan and the devil or whatever you want to call it.

Hey satan kill me now if you exist same with you devil!
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I was once a firm believer in God.

I just thought it made sense to believe in a God who's all powerful, all knowing, and I thought that's the only way the universe began, by the creation of God.

I was a believer not blindly, but, by choice. Because, my logic said that there is a God.

It's my same reasoning that has turned me into an agnostic today.

When I question, why was the universe so unorganized? Why did God create that piece of black holes thousands of light years away if his focus was on human beings, why would a God be so selfish that he wants eternal praise, what was God doing before creating everything and does God doesn't know something which he doesn't know?

I got the only answer, "you are human and can't understand God as he's beyond logic".

Hence, my weird questions got no satisfaction.

Today, I believe that the universe is itself eternal. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed and needs no God to create it.

However, I'm open to the idea of big bang as well as maybe, a powerful force (which can be called God) created it.

But I don't know, I can just believe. I can never know.

But since I was believer before, one of my part sometimes call me back saying you are wrong. You are on wrong path and just don't want to believe by your own choice. You will be I'm hell for it. And I get scared.

What's your opinion on it? Do you get this feeling too, how do you cope with it?
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