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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 29, 2022, 12:02:13 AM

More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

Maybe they think that more machines means more expenses but those that they spend are nothing compared to the profits that they can get later on since gambling is a fun and profitable activity so there will always be a big demand for it. They are the only ones that will be affected if they lessen the number of machines because that means less revenue for them.

Gamblers are not going to be affected with it because like you said they will still find a way. They can do anything even standing and waiting on the line for hours only to play their favorite game which is slots. Op was right. Their moves there are too direct but they should make things easier/slower first.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 29, 2022, 12:02:13 AM

More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

thus. This scenario is some how confusing indecencies that we are mentioning machine as key word or point of contact in this meeting. When we said they are the who has the largest kind of machine for gambling, that means their machine is automated and you can't lose during the time gamble. Or in another way it's means way of getting profit in gambling will reduce. I think i need more clarification about this, particularly.

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Quote from: rodskee on June 08, 2022, 01:12:08 AM

Australia truly love their people and they are even creating Laws after Laws just to help their addicted gamblers to turn into something worth to live because Slot machines is truly addicting , there are several friends of Mine that has this attitude in Playing in slots longer and bigger amount that they can afford to lose.
and ending? ruining their life and family.
I support this initiative to Put those machines in place where they deserve and those are casino houses where gamblers need to go and spend time and money than everywhere it is available.

But machines aren't the only means of gambling in Australia. If gambling addicts would stop using machines due to the banning, they can still look for alternatives such as online casinos. Banning machines won't be enough but it's spreading the awareness about gambling addiction and how to control it. Machines aren't the only thing that attracts gamblers.

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Quote from: rodskee on June 08, 2022, 01:12:08 AM

Australia truly love their people and they are even creating Laws after Laws just to help their addicted gamblers to turn into something worth to live because Slot machines is truly addicting , there are several friends of Mine that has this attitude in Playing in slots longer and bigger amount that they can afford to lose.
and ending? ruining their life and family.
I support this initiative to Put those machines in place where they deserve and those are casino houses where gamblers need to go and spend time and money than everywhere it is available .

Well, what happens is that they are putting an end to a great business model where, because of a few, they can leave many players who play with a lot of responsibility without having fun. I think that the irresponsibility of a player lies in the fact that he allows himself to lose more money than he possesses, and of course that is where addiction problems come from, but apart from all this, I think that the solution is not that of prohibiting, the solution is that people who have these problems go to a psychologist and treat that, because just as they are addicted to gambling, there are many who are addicted to alcohol and that is not why they prohibit alcohol.

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Australia truly love their people and they are even creating Laws after Laws just to help their addicted gamblers to turn into something worth to live because Slot machines is truly addicting , there are several friends of Mine that has this attitude in Playing in slots longer and bigger amount that they can afford to lose.
and ending? ruining their life and family.
I support this initiative to Put those machines in place where they deserve and those are casino houses where gamblers need to go and spend time and money than everywhere it is available .

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I supposed to see that Australia has such a high gambling machine to person ratio. I would not be surprised to see the United States to take that lead or come somewhere close. They are all over here from gas stations, to cell phone stores, hotels etc. Perhaps there is a better way to go about this. I’m curious if identification cards are needed for all of these machines?

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Quote from: Darker45 on June 07, 2022, 10:03:13 PM

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As per the article, pokies are not banned in Western Australia. But not only are they not allowed in pubs and clubs, they are also not allowed in any casino. Western Australia only allows pokies in its Crown Casino in Perth.

It looks like the only place where pokies were allowed in Western Australia might not be able to continue operating:

Quote from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-24/crown-unsuitable-to-hold-wa-casino-licence-royal-commission/100934322

Crown Perth royal commission finds casino giant unsuitable to hold WA's only gaming licence

But it's unsure what will happen there. A similar thing occurred in NSW with Crown Casino in Sydney, and they're now saying they are going to open in days:

Quote from: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-03/crown-casino-to-get-gaming-licence-in-sydney/101123642

Crown could secure licence to open Barangaroo casino despite being found unfit by gaming regulator last year

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Quote from: nullama on June 07, 2022, 09:18:10 PM

In Australia these laws are set by every state, so any decision like this would not apply at the federal (national) level.

Indeed. OP is misleading when he/she states Australia rather than New South Wales. The subject itself is misleading for two reasons. One, it is not Australia and, two, a ban is not impending. There are only different plans at this point.

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On the other hand, in Western Australia these machines are banned and they can only be used inside a Casino, and not in every pub like in NSW.

As per the article, pokies are not banned in Western Australia. But not only are they not allowed in pubs and clubs, they are also not allowed in any casino. Western Australia only allows pokies in its Crown Casino in Perth.

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They seem to be trying to stop problem gamblers in NSW though[2], but these measures aren't very effective. For example, a proposed card for gambling is not likely to pass in NSW due to massive lobbying power from the pubs and clubs[3].

Not only lobbying. Apparently, one of the main reasons is the huge revenue that the government generates from them. Not to mention that millions are also poured into political parties.

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In Australia these laws are set by every state, so any decision like this would not apply at the federal (national) level.

For example, the state of New South Wales is the second in the world in terms of number of machines. The only state with more is Nevada (Las Vegas). [1]

On the other hand, in Western Australia these machines are banned and they can only be used inside a Casino, and not in every pub like in NSW.

They seem to be trying to stop problem gamblers in NSW though[2], but these measures aren't very effective. For example, a proposed card for gambling is not likely to pass in NSW due to massive lobbying power from the pubs and clubs[3].

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/gaming-machine-count-puts-nsw-second-in-the-world
[2]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-25/nsw-gambling-laws-aimed-at-problem-gamblers/12696444
[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/15/whistleblower-warns-nsw-gambling-card-at-risk-due-to-industrys-massive-lobbying-power

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Quote from: Similificator on May 03, 2022, 09:30:27 AM

It may really seem as something unfair but just to give them the benefit of the doubt, there may really be some heavy reasons as to why they have reached such a decision. A cause may have been present that would be detrimental for the entire country itself like uncontrolled over gambling that is already affecting the youth and all(although I can not be so sure since I do not know anything about the situation in Australia). On the other hand though, this may be because they just don't want something that is out of their control or something that does not give them much benefits. Whichever the case is, it would be nice if the people are also given a chance to debate about this or be given a voice to speak out. I mean, gambling has been around for decades and people have been used to it. Maybe with good talks, the people and the government may reach some sort of compromise that would be able to benefit both sides.

Australia has a huge market of gambling. Even the tourist likes to try different machines and play when they are visiting the other countries.
Are Aussie not reacting to this decision? or is it just a temporary ban?
I am not sure how will this ban affect the entertainment of the Auiess and the tourists as well?

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It may really seem as something unfair but just to give them the benefit of the doubt, there may really be some heavy reasons as to why they have reached such a decision. A cause may have been present that would be detrimental for the entire country itself like uncontrolled over gambling that is already affecting the youth and all(although I can not be so sure since I do not know anything about the situation in Australia). On the other hand though, this may be because they just don't want something that is out of their control or something that does not give them much benefits. Whichever the case is, it would be nice if the people are also given a chance to debate about this or be given a voice to speak out. I mean, gambling has been around for decades and people have been used to it. Maybe with good talks, the people and the government may reach some sort of compromise that would be able to benefit both sides.

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In my opinion, the New South Wales Green Party is making very illogical and ill-conceived statements. In pubs and clubs, after drinking a glass of cognac, it is very useful to play slot machines. People come to pubs and nightclubs to drink, have fun and gamble. Usually a person allocates a certain budget for a Sunday trip to the bar. Including he plans to play slot machines. Due to the unsuccessful initiative of a political party, Australians will be deprived of the opportunity to play their favorite games of chance in pubs and clubs.

In my opinion, Australian players should ask the Australian legislature to block this harmful legislative initiative.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Australia have more gambling machines per person than anyone else in tbe whole world. Right now an interesting event is happening, there have been numerous calls now to remove all those machines from places like the PUBS and the CLUBS.

According to a news report, the slot machines are not just confined to any casino or any usual place, right now apparently in Australia there is no such law, the machines are everywhere an insight into what might be causing tbe leading probelms with increasing addiction there.

Let me take out the important content from the source here :

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The party devised an eight-step plan to slowly eradicate slot machines from the pubs and clubs where gamblers can spend all day without stopping trying to win big.
The Greens hoped to introduce a $7billion transition package to phase pokies out of society.
'Pokies in pubs will be phased out over five years and pokies in clubs will be phased out over 10 years with a support package for clubs and communities,' the plan said.
Councils would also have the right to cap the number of machines set up in pubs in the area under the plan.
Advertising of gambling on public transport and in sport would also be scrapped under the Greens' initiative.
Their stance on the issue was echoed by former Deputy Leader of the NSW Science Party - now known as Fusion Party - James Jansson.

What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.

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The NSW Greens party has led calls to abolish the gambling machines altogether.

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10761199/amp/Australias-gambling-problem-prompts-calls-pokies-banned.html

Gambling in Australia is common and predominant. To have a lot of slot machines that's almost the same or even exceed the population is quite insane. Although if each area has so many casinos it isn't really surprising.

Banning the slot machines or particularly pokies outright without first analyzing where the problem is coming from and regulating it as a first step to check if the problem will still be resolved doesn't sit well with me. Because after all, these casinos, clubs, and pubs spent money too over those machines. They could at least give a time frame to test whether the problems such as addiction could be solved by regulating it.

In addition, the main problem isn't really about the slot machines. The problems usually comes from within. The person who decides to gamble must be responsible and disciplined enough to know when to stop. Indulging in such activities knowing it has severe repercussions is really foolish. Hopefully, they'll address the issue at its root cause not not just on the surface.

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Quote from: judeafante on May 01, 2022, 09:22:22 AM

I don't know about the state of gambling in Australia is it really that worse that they want to take out all these machines even if gradually if it's that high, but if they are responsible gamblers I don't think they should take them all out if they don't have alternatives for the patrons of these machines, in a country where gambling is tolerated the government just don't take everything out without alternative or transferring to other venues.

As far as I know, Australia is one of those countries where gambling is very widespread. Just imagine if every pub and cafe in your country had several slot machines. I don't think gambling is a bad thing and should be banned completely, but I don't think it will do any good. At least I wouldn't want my child to see all this and take it for granted.

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They are step by step ways of fighting addictions and banning pokies which takes up most of the gamblers time is one amongst them. When an addicted gambler can't get access to the gambling stands it'll help reduce the addiction. Being addicted to gambling is against the gambling rules and the Australian Government will do anything possible to fight such development in the country. In addition, they are some behaviors that requires a citizen to visit the hospital such as attempting murder because they are indebted which resulted from the gambling habit. Such bad news appear rarely on mainstream medias and I believe it doesn't happen regularly.

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If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

That's what suck mostly of the government institutions nowadays, they seem to be overreacting and end up banning all those that they can't control anymore. The machines are just tools, and even if they will vanish, gamblers will always find ways to gamble on other things that will result into addiction. I think what they need to deal is the addiction of their citizens, and they can only do that if they start regulating all those things that seem to be uncontrolled anymore. Its also unfair on the owners of those machines as they will also lose an income if those will be totally disposed.

What would you expect? Government is always been like this on which they would really be making out sudden steps whether they would be accepting or banning it according to their likes which is something not

surprising anymore knowing government will always be loving on having a good control or track on everything and if they do see that there's something wrong or against into their interest then they would make out

such action whether its a beneficial one for the community or totally just because of their personal agenda but speaking or talking for this one then i would say its a good step though.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on April 28, 2022, 12:51:55 PM

If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

That's what suck mostly of the government institutions nowadays, they seem to be overreacting and end up banning all those that they can't control anymore.

I think they are just making their work easier and simple. Banning gambling machines altogether will save them resources and time than regulating it and creating panels of people on deciding which area is ban and which is not. Though I agree with Avikz idea:

Quote from: avikz on April 28, 2022, 01:12:10 PM

Probably Australia can take Las vegas route instead. Designate an area where all gambling houses will be situated and represent it as a tourist destination.

and I think it is very much easier to implement.

Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

The machines are just tools,

And are meant to be disposed of if proven harmful. So I am not against banning them altogether if there is no better way to solve the gambling addiction in a country.

Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

and even if they will vanish, gamblers will always find ways to gamble on other things that will result into addiction.

That is why it is important to ban them all so that addicted gambler will have no way to look for it at least in the physical location. Online gambling will be another story I think. Cheesy

Quote from: Viscore on May 01, 2022, 05:31:28 PM

I think what they need to deal is the addiction of their citizens, and they can only do that if they start regulating all those things that seem to be uncontrolled anymore. Its also unfair on the owners of those machines as they will also lose an income if those will be totally disposed.

I highly agree that they need to focus on addicted citizens. But the problem lies ahead because addicted citizens will never comply with regulations since they are as you said are already uncontrollable. Medical treatment of those who are addicted to gambling should be prioritized after the gambling machine ban.

So I think total gambling machine ban and gambling regulation must be implemented at the same time.

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Quote from: dothebeats on April 28, 2022, 12:51:55 PM

If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

That's what suck mostly of the government institutions nowadays, they seem to be overreacting and end up banning all those that they can't control anymore. The machines are just tools, and even if they will vanish, gamblers will always find ways to gamble on other things that will result into addiction. I think what they need to deal is the addiction of their citizens, and they can only do that if they start regulating all those things that seem to be uncontrolled anymore. Its also unfair on the owners of those machines as they will also lose an income if those will be totally disposed.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

Depends on which group you are referring to. It is fair for people who don't want gambling machines in their area, and unfair to those who wanted them. Fair to the family who is greatly affected by their relatives due to gambling problems. Very unfair to the business company that is focused on gambling machines, they will be put out of business in Australia because of this call and many will surely lose their job. Whether this is fair or not, I think, is subjective.

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Quote from: robelneo on April 30, 2022, 07:53:58 PM

They used the harsh word

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abolish

they really hated these gambling machines that they did not offer an alternative to users of these machines, those machines were set up because it was approved by the government committee they should consider the companies and the cost of setting them and the workers that are maintaining them, they just push people to play online away from their jurisdiction.

They are classy because of that "green" word but at the same time rude because of that "abolish" word. When they say abolish I think that means to destroy all gambling machines that they see which is not fair because what if that machines are legal and have permits, most especially they are only placed in the appropriate areas like inside the casinos.

The ones that they should remove are those machines that are wrongly placed because people on all ages are going to get curious to try it and when they become addicted, that's going to be a big problem. Those who placed those machines are the ones that should be blamed other than the irresponsible gambler.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.

On this side I completely agree with you, obligation that must be increased is healing due to being an addict, a condition with seriousness such as a mental disorder that must be cured. Slot machines are just tools for gambling but gambling can even be found anywhere, the parties don't fall short in knowledge but they don't seem too serious about at least lowering the addiction.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 01, 2022, 11:06:07 AM

The thing is..... Australians lose a staggering A$24.9 billion a year to gambling and are some of the world’s heaviest gamblers per capita. {Source : https://intheblack.cpaaustralia.com.au/ethics-and-governance/how-policy-reform-solve-gambling-australia }

So, the Australian government has been getting a lot of negative publicity and the media are being used to push the government to regulate gambling in Australia a lot more.

Take a look at this e-Brief ==> https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/researchpapers/Documents/Gambling_an%20update.pdf ....it makes for some interesting reading. Wink

That is a really serious record on Australia there with much losses in gambling. I wonder where such money go to if it is only in the pucket of casino and gambling sites owners or the Australian government making big tax profit from the losses because the players are making negative to themselves. Gambling has some negative spirit and you won't stop when you are losing.

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The thing is..... Australians lose a staggering A$24.9 billion a year to gambling and are some of the world’s heaviest gamblers per capita. {Source : https://intheblack.cpaaustralia.com.au/ethics-and-governance/how-policy-reform-solve-gambling-australia }

So, the Australian government has been getting a lot of negative publicity and the media are being used to push the government to regulate gambling in Australia a lot more.

Take a look at this e-Brief ==> https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/researchpapers/Documents/Gambling_an%20update.pdf ....it makes for some interesting reading. Wink

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I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.

Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.

Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.

To be honest, I rarely read the Politics section and the like, so I didn’t notice that there are a lot of socialists here, it’s sad if so.

As for the stupidity of the leftists and the fact that their prohibitions are easy to get around - yes it is. But I believe that bypassing the ban is a losing path, because by trying to get around the ban you recognize that someone has the right to restrict you. It is unacceptable.
Plus, it should be borne in mind that they never stop (until they get a rebuff), for example, in the case under discussion, their next step will be to ban access to online casinos (as has already been implemented in many countries). This can be bypassed with the help of VPN, but they will again come up with the "next" ban. This is a road to nowhere, it is better not to start it.

If you look carefully you will see that they are not going to completely ban gambling they only want to reduce the gambling addiction of citizens by gradually reducing the number of gambling machines and which are placed on almost every corner in pubs, bars, etc. Think about it, is it good when about 70-80% of adult Australians gamble? Personally for me it is just an unacceptable statistic and I see nothing wrong with this initiative.

I don't know about the state of gambling in Australia is it really that worse that they want to take out all these machines even if gradually if it's that high, but if they are responsible gamblers I don't think they should take them all out if they don't have alternatives for the patrons of these machines, in a country where gambling is tolerated the government just don't take everything out without alternative or transferring to other venues.

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I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.

Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.

Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.

To be honest, I rarely read the Politics section and the like, so I didn’t notice that there are a lot of socialists here, it’s sad if so.

As for the stupidity of the leftists and the fact that their prohibitions are easy to get around - yes it is. But I believe that bypassing the ban is a losing path, because by trying to get around the ban you recognize that someone has the right to restrict you. It is unacceptable.
Plus, it should be borne in mind that they never stop (until they get a rebuff), for example, in the case under discussion, their next step will be to ban access to online casinos (as has already been implemented in many countries). This can be bypassed with the help of VPN, but they will again come up with the "next" ban. This is a road to nowhere, it is better not to start it.

If you look carefully you will see that they are not going to completely ban gambling they only want to reduce the gambling addiction of citizens by gradually reducing the number of gambling machines and which are placed on almost every corner in pubs, bars, etc. Think about it, is it good when about 70-80% of adult Australians gamble? Personally for me it is just an unacceptable statistic and I see nothing wrong with this initiative.

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Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions. I hope that in Australia there is a conscious population and a strong gaming lobby and they will not allow idiots to tell adults how they should live and where to spend their honestly earned money.

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they really hated these gambling machines that they did not offer an alternative to users of these machines, those machines were set up because it was approved by the government committee they should consider the companies and the cost of setting them and the workers that are maintaining them, they just push people to play online away from their jurisdiction.

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I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.

Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.

Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.

To be honest, I rarely read the Politics section and the like, so I didn’t notice that there are a lot of socialists here, it’s sad if so.

As for the stupidity of the leftists and the fact that their prohibitions are easy to get around - yes it is. But I believe that bypassing the ban is a losing path, because by trying to get around the ban you recognize that someone has the right to restrict you. It is unacceptable.
Plus, it should be borne in mind that they never stop (until they get a rebuff), for example, in the case under discussion, their next step will be to ban access to online casinos (as has already been implemented in many countries). This can be bypassed with the help of VPN, but they will again come up with the "next" ban. This is a road to nowhere, it is better not to start it.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 28, 2022, 05:24:40 PM

More slot machines is surely a problem. According to a survey data from 2021 it is found that Australia on the top of most addicted gamblers in the world losing an average of $1288. In specific 40% of Australians gamble in the daily basis. This is a big number considering the population of around 26.5 million. As mentioned going with strict regulations is good than getting into complete abolishing of the machines. It is the right moment for the government to act wise and keep its citizens under control.

well definitely a big problem if that is the status of addicted gamblers within the country , and surely those machines will be bash out immediately when they already have a permission.

But yes these a very common situation when it comes gambling and they need to process it. and for me IMO there still chance for those machines to stay because indeed government can get benefits from it as well, so perhaps it will become restricted only.

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I was really surprised to see that Australians are so big into gambling. In another thread here about the top 10 countries that have the highest gambling losses per person Australia was among the top. I never been to Australia, but I always thought that they enjoy life at the beach, drinking beer and having a barbecue. Why would you stay in doors and gamble so much? Also, it would be surprising if all this gambling is only done on slot machines.
To me it seems excessive to get rid of all the spot machines in the next 5-10 years. What will they do with all the old machines? Sell to other countries? Why not start with a limitation of slot machines per venues? There is really no need to use the ban hammer, it seems excessive. Would be good to know if the majority of Australians are behind such a ban. If politicians feel like the slot machines make too much money, and gamblers are losing too much, why not regulate the market? They could increase the RTP to a certain minimum level, below that they wouldn't be able to be sold in Australia. I know that slot machines are much more common in USA than they are in Europe and that the payout ratio is also much higher in the States.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 28, 2022, 05:24:40 PM

More slot machines is surely a problem. According to a survey data from 2021 it is found that Australia on the top of most addicted gamblers in the world losing an average of $1288. In specific 40% of Australians gamble in the daily basis. This is a big number considering the population of around 26.5 million. As mentioned going with strict regulations is good than getting into complete abolishing of the machines. It is the right moment for the government to act wise and keep its citizens under control.

Disagree. Do you really think by lessening the machines, will solve the problem? It's not even a band-aid solution, to begin with.

I don't know how's gambling in Australia but if they are really serious about the problem, why not just limit the machines exclusively at casinos and not in pubs? In that way, people have no choice but just to gamble in casinos which others might found not that easy for average gamblers there.

The problem of gambling can't be solved since it's also a major contributor to the government's revenue while at the same time, people themselves can't fight the temptation of doing gambling.

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The mentioned measure is only going to drive gamblers to new gambling methods that can fully replace the functionality of currently slots at pubs. Virtual casinos become an accessible, affordable and feasible alternative this way. That is actually an interesting event for crypto casinos to increase their range and customers' base.

If politicians want to fight addiction among gamblers in Australia, they have to come with fresh, original ideas which go beyond the failed concept of banning and destroying machines. That approach is very popular and known already, especially at third world countries, and I can assure in no way it achieves any improvement on the goal of stopping addiction.

The problem of addiction isn't on the machines or at the casinos. The problem is inside some individuals who can't control their gambling habits and that is how the issue should start being addressed.

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I don't think that is accurate.

I've just recently seen news about them potentially placing betting limits on these machines, which I think is completely ineffective if their goal is to stop people from losing money.

Target the problems at its core. Problem gambling is simply a symptom of more grave, deep-rooted problems in society.

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Quote from: coin-investor on April 29, 2022, 06:42:34 PM

They are taking away profits from operators and workers of those machines and disregarding the tax they are paying.
They cannot tax and control those casinos online that are not in their jurisdiction.

It's okay that those operators are losing profits.

What's better to them is to help people catch addiction in almost every place and that's why they've stepped in and took the action that they think is necessary.

The people that are into this business would really have their decrease in profits but they can't do anything about that.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.

I agree on you on this part deprivation is not the key, education is the key they will always find something online that was taken to them offline, this is the reason why there is a boom in online casinos because the government failed to see the right solution and the only thing that they want to do is to deprive gamblers.

They are taking away profits from operators and workers of those machines and disregarding the tax they are paying.
They cannot tax and control those casinos online that are not in their jurisdiction.

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If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

Banning does not make any sense because it does not reduce the total number of gamblers in their country. The government should create rules about these machines and regulate them maybe, but not putting a total ban in it because that would also be unfair on the gambler's right to play. If their concern is to lessen addiction, then they should tighten their policy so as not to see these machines everywhere, but limiting its areas only.

If they would love or like to sacrifice gambling revenue or taxes then they could do whatever they want and if they are pertaining about gambling addiction then there's nothing we could do since government would be

always have the final say and decisions when it comes to things, neither they would be banning it or not then its up to their choice and decision.Its just sad for those who had been playing with these type of games
if ever it would be decided for it to be banned.Avoid addiction for its citizens is a good initiative but sometimes its not really that justifiable if its not really that rampant.

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Quote from: TravelMug on April 28, 2022, 09:33:36 PM

I never thought about this and was not aware that Australia has a lot of slots machine all over their country. But the question is, how long has this been going on for Australia? And why are there no bill to curb at least the rampant growth of machines which can be equate to Australian being addicted to it? I've known one person though who is a local who travels to Australia and stay there for years. And when he comebacks, he is addicted to casino's until all of his money are gone.

If only you will see the surveys if which country gambles the most, you will see that australia is always on the top. Here is a sample. There are no bills maybe because their government are also into gambling and they encourage the people to do the same or maybe people on that country are still responsible and are not heavily addicted.

It's just many people play gambling on that country. Your friend is only unlucky that he got addicted but I think being addicted starts with us and not on the things around us. If we don't want to get addicted we must control our selves. Gambling is not bad as long as done in moderation.

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Quote from: dothebeats on April 28, 2022, 12:51:55 PM

If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

Banning does not make any sense because it does not reduce the total number of gamblers in their country. The government should create rules about these machines and regulate them maybe, but not putting a total ban in it because that would also be unfair on the gambler's right to play. If their concern is to lessen addiction, then they should tighten their policy so as not to see these machines everywhere, but limiting its areas only.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I think that not only is that not very fair, I also believe that it is complete and utter nonsense. Why on earth would there be a need to abolish the machines? Is there any kind of actual reasoning behind that seemingly political decision? Thats what I bet it is, all politics. Politicians just want to make themselves look good so they find something or someone to pick on and normal people suffer for it.

Thats just not right.

Whatever the politicians are up to, its no good for those owners of the machines, they earn from it and the government takes it away from them. How is banning helping the owners, now they have to restart their lives and find something else to make money.

There are also lots of these machines in every gasoline station in US, I would speculate this ban in Australia will also happen in US after some time. If Australians doesn't protest endlessly, its imminent to happen in US.

I personally do enjoy playing the slot machines in every country that I visit, as every countries gambling machines are all extremely different. So its a real shame when regulators sterilize our fun and games with this obsessive compulsive fake do-goodery.

Has Australia ever had any politicians take back their silly decisions? Or is this ban now for forever? I can't lie, I do like Australia and I hate to see Australians losing their freedom and rights over some moral high-ground contest between faceless politician A and Politician B, who nobody will remember in a few decades.

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If this is the country with the most per capita slot machines in the world then it is no surprise to the Australian government that it is taking steps to reduce that number.
I think it could also be due to the fact that probably all slot machines in pubs are privately owned, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was also about money. That is, removing fee of pub, and collecting all fees directly from online gambling, because gamblers from physical machines would probably switch to playing on their smartphones.

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I think this topic is similar to the loot boxes in video games controversy. Some argued that video games should not contain loot boxes which function similar to slot machines due to them being accessible to children. They claim it can encourage negative behavior involving impulse control and addiction. I can't claim to have experience with this. But would guess that owners of these machines are earning good passive income.

There's a chance these bans won't eliminate the gambling practice, but will simply drive it underground. Similar to craigslist bans of personal ads driving prostitution to other websites, rather than eliminating it.

The value of gambling machines in australia will also likely decline. Which could set up a decent buyer's market.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Australia have more gambling machines per person than anyone else in tbe whole world. Right now an interesting event is happening, there have been numerous calls now to remove all those machines from places like the PUBS and the CLUBS.

According to a news report, the slot machines are not just confined to any casino or any usual place, right now apparently in Australia there is no such law, the machines are everywhere an insight into what might be causing tbe leading probelms with increasing addiction there.
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To be honest is not the only place where such a machines are not widely allowed outside specific spaces and always with an age control system of shorts. In UK, you will not see a slots in any pub, only in betting houses, in Spain, there is a limitation of 1 machine at bars and restaurants, in many EU countries, these are as well limited. I will not go into limitations in muslim countries and the like but... it is pretty much that way in most places.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 29, 2022, 12:02:13 AM

More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

80% of the gambling machines apparently are located outside the casino as well. I do think this is a problem but they should work with :
•Relocation
•Helping people individually
If they do decide to ban I do not think how good that will work because:
•People will find elsewhere
•Those will be unregulated
•There will be a seperate dark market for it.
Therefore I do think that banning is not really a sure shot idea because that makes things even worse and sometimes it gets out of the hand. Plus this corruption you stated is definately a big deal. Again even though the country places 11th on the transparency list, we can never be so sure.

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I don't know how the development of gambling in Australia is but if the government can't control something, they will remove it or get rid of it to not cause problems for them.
Maybe that's what the Australian government is doing because they can't directly control the slot machines in clubs or pubs.
I don't know if it's fair or unfair because we also don't know the real situation in Australia and can only comment.
But addiction requires serious attention from the government and this needs to be realized by them but maybe what needs to be taken care of is the source of the addiction itself.

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Well, I have no problems with it, I actually think it's okay since, from the article themselves, I think the amount of machines that are deployed is a tad bit too much. I wouldn't really consider it as much of an issue towards addiction but rather just, well, irritating to see might be how I describe it? Due to how cluttered it is across the place. I also don't think it would be a problem for the owners of said machines, I reckon they can just sell it and be used in other countries. I reckon they wouldn't want the machines they have to be associated with addiction and whatnot like that.

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Quote from: Pmalek on April 29, 2022, 05:33:45 AM

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I think it would be a good practice to create several medical institutions to help the gamblers get rid of this problem. In my opinion the main share of funding for such a fund should fall on the shoulders of entrepreneurs who conduct their activities in the sphere of gambling Australia part of the funding should be provided at the expense of the state which collects taxes from these entrepreneurs. I do not know why but it seems to me that reducing the number of gambling establishments will not solve this problem.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan?

Because it's expensive. It's easier to remove and ban slot machines in places where they don't need to be. In all honesty, why do they place pokies in cafés and clubs in the first place? It doesn't make the problem for a gambling addict easier if they can see them everywhere they go.

I don't see it as an unreasonable step at all. Confine gambling and slot machines to casinos because that's where they are supposed to be.

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Quote from: Dave1 on April 28, 2022, 10:00:17 PM

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[1] Fair in what way? from the gamblers? Government has the duty to protect their citizens to become addicted to gambling.
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As the saying goes, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." In theory, this all sounds good, but in practice it all leads to coercion and totalitarianism. For example, the idea that the government should take care of your health also sounds good, but when you are deprived of the choice of food (for the sake of your health) are deprived of the choice of leisure (for the sake of your health they will force you to run instead of resting) you look at this idea differently.

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I do not quite understand why the Australian authorities first allowed so much expansion of gambling and now try to fight it by all available means.

Back in 2017, I read that in Australia there is a very widespread gambling addiction among the population, but as I look from that time not much has changed.

On the one hand I am not in favor of a complete ban on slot machines, but in my opinion they should not stand on every corner.

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I guess that abolishing all gambling machines altogether is the 'easier to implement' solution,compared to keeping the gambling machines while trying to regulate and monitor them all the time.
I was never a big fan of slot machines and I don't mind the Australian government trying to remove them completely from all pubs and clubs.This might help many gambling addicts to fight with their addiction,while other addicts will just find another way to gamble.

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Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

It's fair as long as the gambling licenses of the companies that own the slot machines are taken into consideration.The Australian government doesn't want multiple lawsuits by the slot machine owners,for breaking the conditions of their gambling licenses.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I think that not only is that not very fair, I also believe that it is complete and utter nonsense. Why on earth would there be a need to abolish the machines? Is there any kind of actual reasoning behind that seemingly political decision? Thats what I bet it is, all politics. Politicians just want to make themselves look good so they find something or someone to pick on and normal people suffer for it.

Thats just not right.

Whatever the politicians are up to, its no good for those owners of the machines, they earn from it and the government takes it away from them. How is banning helping the owners, now they have to restart their lives and find something else to make money.

There are also lots of these machines in every gasoline station in US, I would speculate this ban in Australia will also happen in US after some time. If Australians doesn't protest endlessly, its imminent to happen in US.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I think that not only is that not very fair, I also believe that it is complete and utter nonsense. Why on earth would there be a need to abolish the machines? Is there any kind of actual reasoning behind that seemingly political decision? Thats what I bet it is, all politics. Politicians just want to make themselves look good so they find something or someone to pick on and normal people suffer for it.

Thats just not right.

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More machines means less profits, reducing the number of machine will solve what the committee is saying? People will still roll and lose their money even with less machine but less convenience that's it.

This is just a business because they are allocating huge money so all these will go to the pockets and nothing else will be changed.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 28, 2022, 12:00:18 PM

I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions.

Well, with so many socialists on the forum, I'm glad to find someone who thinks like me, as there aren't many around here.

Leftists tend quite a bit to ban and force, as in this case. I particularly, although I'm not a big supporter of regulations, I do believe that the gambling industry has to be regulated, but in this case it's silly. Are they going to ban slot machines in bars and pubs when today everyone has unlimited access to slot machines from the mobile? Lol. Idiots.

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It is wrong to just blame one of either parties. It is wrong to just blame the government for not putting up regulations, but it is also wrong to just blame the players for not being responsible gamblers. You cannot just blame the government for not putting up as many medical support systems for gambling addicts as possible, but you cannot also blame the gamblers for not gaining adequate knowledge on addiction and the mental disorders associated with it.

There has to be a collaborative effort for this. Balanced regulations plus gambling education and awareness are the best ways forward.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

[1] Fair in what way? from the gamblers? Government has the duty to protect their citizens to become addicted to gambling.

[2] It could be done if the government wanted to, but from the looks of it, seems not to be bothered to implement a law because it's a booming business.

[3] Yeah, this is the solution and put tax on it so it's a win win. However, they will also need to take into account the number of people that are going to be addicted.

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I never thought about this and was not aware that Australia has a lot of slots machine all over their country. But the question is, how long has this been going on for Australia? And why are there no bill to curb at least the rampant growth of machines which can be equate to Australian being addicted to it? I've known one person though who is a local who travels to Australia and stay there for years. And when he comebacks, he is addicted to casino's until all of his money are gone.

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Green party are a force in some countries but there is a large difference from a proposal to a reality enforced. I can sympathize with the idea of the legislation to reduce convenience or line of sight type of gambling, I do not recommend drinking while betting in any size as I think it removes best judgement and you dont want to lose anything substantial while not fully recognizing the risks taken. I always argue freedom and fun to gambling but it can be a problem for some so some areas of a town should be clear though a drinking establishment is normally a fair adults type venue.

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with so many gambling machines everywhere, it's going to create gambling addiction. in my country, even online cockfighting creates massive addiction where gamblers commit suicide.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

It entirely depends on the social situation in Australia. If gambling has really become a big social issue, then it's no wonder that government will step in to eradicate that issue slowly but surely. Especially if it is affecting the youth. So I don't see anything unfair in this.

Probably Australia can take Las vegas route instead. Designate an area where all gambling houses will be situated and represent it as a tourist destination. But again, if government can't control an issue, they prefer to ban it.

kinda easy to tax too when they have this kind of route. and this will also lessen the gambling problem in the country. they're the number one country with the highest gambling rates according to this thread.

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in my country there was also a time when there were many slot machines, I watched many people playing, it was something that I thought: "at least those people are having fun, they are not stealing or fighting" so I would look at those machines as a good thing because it was making people have fun, but weeks later I see the government of my country complaining that the machines were illegally on the streets and that many children were stealing money to go play the slot machine. i don't know about australian laws or australian way of life, but i have to say that this issue of street slot machines needs to be controlled and not banned on the streets because they have their good side which is providing people with fun , we can't demonize slot machines by blaming them by saying they can make people addicted

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Quote from: acroman08 on April 28, 2022, 01:25:13 PM

reading that there are more slot machines than people in Australia I understand their concern but I doubt they'll be able to "phase out" the slot machines in the community. what I think they should have is stricter regulations for gambling or at least where the machines should be placed. trying to abolish slot machines altogether just won't happen and is just wishful thinking.

More slot machines is surely a problem. According to a survey data from 2021 it is found that Australia on the top of most addicted gamblers in the world losing an average of $1288. In specific 40% of Australians gamble in the daily basis. This is a big number considering the population of around 26.5 million. As mentioned going with strict regulations is good than getting into complete abolishing of the machines. It is the right moment for the government to act wise and keep its citizens under control.

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It depends on what their government thinks of what's needed to happen. If they have to eradicate those pokies because it's not doing good to their citizens, they must do it.

Since there's no law that prohibits its placement in every place, before they ban it there's a need to pass a law so that there will be restriction for those businessmen that are into this.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

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According to a news report, the slot machines are not just confined to any casino or any usual place, right now apparently in Australia there is no such law, the machines are everywhere an insight into what might be causing tbe leading probelms with increasing addiction there.
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The NSW Greens party has led calls to abolish the gambling machines altogether.

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I didn’t know this is the case with slot machines in Australia, that they could be placed anywhere! I guess that's too much! Although I love slots, slot machines shouldn't be set up anywhere, there should be some responsibility towards kids and young people, towards those who are struggling with addiction... I can't even imagine what it's like for them to see slots anywhere they go?!

Of course, it would be too harsh to remove all slot machines from the country! I don’t know why some people like to go from one extreme to another extreme?! Isn't there a simpler solution, a law that would regulate where slot machines can be installed... and that's it!

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Quote from: avikz on April 28, 2022, 01:12:10 PM

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It entirely depends on the social situation in Australia. If gambling has really become a big social issue, then it's no wonder that government will step in to eradicate that issue slowly but surely. Especially if it is affecting the youth. So I don't see anything unfair in this.

Probably Australia can take Las vegas route instead. Designate an area where all gambling houses will be situated and represent it as a tourist destination. But again, if government can't control an issue, they prefer to ban it.

They wont really be making out such action if they arent seeing something bad whether they are really in concern of their citizens possible addiction or minding about the youth on being affected.
Whether they do ban it or not then it would still vary into them because we know that government does always have the final say when it comes on implementing things and of course there
would be some significant effects in terms of revenue when they do tend to ban a particular game but well its up to them and its impossible that they dont able to think
about that manner.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Australia have more gambling machines per person than anyone else in tbe whole world. Right now an interesting event is happening, there have been numerous calls now to remove all those machines from places like the PUBS and the CLUBS.

According to a news report, the slot machines are not just confined to any casino or any usual place, right now apparently in Australia there is no such law, the machines are everywhere an insight into what might be causing tbe leading probelms with increasing addiction there.

As far as I can remember, there was a post/thread posted asking about the status of gambling rates per country and Australia ranked the first among all other countries. This speaks on how people and businesses can take advantage due to the silence of laws on gambling regulations. They can just set-up any slot machines even outside casino establishments which can therefore attract and corrupt the young audience into trying out this very addictive and destructive habit.

I just hope that their government balances the interest of gambling revenue and morality of their citizens. If this goes out of control, who knows what would be the damage long-term for their citizens and people.

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reading that there are more slot machines than people in Australia I understand their concern but I doubt they'll be able to "phase out" the slot machines in the community. what I think they should have is stricter regulations for gambling or at least where the machines should be placed. trying to abolish slot machines altogether just won't happen and is just wishful thinking.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

It entirely depends on the social situation in Australia. If gambling has really become a big social issue, then it's no wonder that government will step in to eradicate that issue slowly but surely. Especially if it is affecting the youth. So I don't see anything unfair in this.

Probably Australia can take Las vegas route instead. Designate an area where all gambling houses will be situated and represent it as a tourist destination. But again, if government can't control an issue, they prefer to ban it.

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If they cannot control it, they ban it. And I wonder what good does it do in the long run when addicted people run around and find some other place to gamble, and even do the extremes in order to satiate their gambling thirst. Perhaps a total ban on slot machines isn't the solution but rather the regulation of it. If the Australian government tightens up their policy and regulation on acquiring and operating such machines, we will not be seeing a rise on the number of addicted people in said games.

It's unfair if they impose a whole ban, but they should think of something else to control it.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 28, 2022, 11:30:25 AM

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Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

I am not an expert in Australian politics, but judging by the initiative and the fact that the name of the party contains the word "greens", these are just another leftist idiots who "invented" how people should live and will now try to force people to conform to their fictions. I hope that in Australia there is a conscious population and a strong gaming lobby and they will not allow idiots to tell adults how they should live and where to spend their honestly earned money.

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Australia have more gambling machines per person than anyone else in tbe whole world. Right now an interesting event is happening, there have been numerous calls now to remove all those machines from places like the PUBS and the CLUBS.

According to a news report, the slot machines are not just confined to any casino or any usual place, right now apparently in Australia there is no such law, the machines are everywhere an insight into what might be causing tbe leading probelms with increasing addiction there.

Let me take out the important content from the source here :

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The party devised an eight-step plan to slowly eradicate slot machines from the pubs and clubs where gamblers can spend all day without stopping trying to win big.
The Greens hoped to introduce a $7billion transition package to phase pokies out of society.
'Pokies in pubs will be phased out over five years and pokies in clubs will be phased out over 10 years with a support package for clubs and communities,' the plan said.
Councils would also have the right to cap the number of machines set up in pubs in the area under the plan.
Advertising of gambling on public transport and in sport would also be scrapped under the Greens' initiative.
Their stance on the issue was echoed by former Deputy Leader of the NSW Science Party - now known as Fusion Party - James Jansson.

What the party is doing how in favor of it are you ? No doubt I support responsible gambling but at the same time, machines are not the problem, they might just be the surface of it. Why is there no medical support for people affected by gambling addiction in their plan? Do the parties fail to get some decent knowledge about how an addiction is a mental disorder and needs immediate attention. If they remove the machines they will find some other source to gamble on ofc.

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The NSW Greens party has led calls to abolish the gambling machines altogether.

Now, is that fair ?
Abolish the machines altogether?
Why isn't regulation and monitoring not taken into account?
What do you think ?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10761199/amp/Australias-gambling-problem-prompts-calls-pokies-banned.html

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