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Topic: Avalon 4 mini 25G-30G @12W Home /office miner Discussion Thread (Read 4000 times)

legendary
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it is also out of stock  Wink

They are just showcasing it on website.  Showing what is to come, and share it with customers.

At that price it is not meant for sell.  And out of stock further confirms that.
hero member
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it is also out of stock  Wink
legendary
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A humble Siberian miner
legendary
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I see now the price on the product's page. 6.69 BTC.

What?.. How?..  Shocked Is that for one unit? Is there a cute girl included?..

I don't see anything listed on Ehash

There are a few parts on it.  Main thing is the nano usb's.  - https://ehash.com/shop/

The other things are really just ad's.  But it would be a interesting toy @12 watts.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
I see now the price on the product's page. 6.69 BTC.

What?.. How?..  Shocked Is that for one unit? Is there a cute girl included?..

I don't see anything listed on Ehash
legendary
Activity: 2030
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A humble Siberian miner
I see now the price on the product's page. 6.69 BTC.

What?.. How?..  Shocked Is that for one unit? Is there a cute girl included?..
legendary
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What year is this?! I had to go back and check that this thread wasn't from 2014. But then again, this wouldn't have made sense a year ago. Strange!

This is a current year item.   They have it listed on their site now.

Would say it's more in the "lotto" mining area.  So special area of mining.

Lol, I understand that. But can't a person buy a used S3 for about the same price and play the solo mining lotto with 20 times the hashrate? This item makes absolutely zero sense (or cents)! Ah but I guess it is more efficient but that hardly justifies the ridiculous price.

I look at this and S3 as two different types.  S3 was to much for me to run lotto mining.

This is much lower watts.  I am not disagreeing on price.  Just cost of running.  My current "lotto" is running one of sidehacks usb sticks.  I do have it off at the moment though, so that is another project to get back up.
hero member
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Glow Stick Dance!
What year is this?! I had to go back and check that this thread wasn't from 2014. But then again, this wouldn't have made sense a year ago. Strange!

This is a current year item.   They have it listed on their site now.

Would say it's more in the "lotto" mining area.  So special area of mining.

Lol, I understand that. But can't a person buy a used S3 for about the same price and play the solo mining lotto with 20 times the hashrate? This item makes absolutely zero sense (or cents)! Ah but I guess it is more efficient but that hardly justifies the ridiculous price.
legendary
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What year is this?! I had to go back and check that this thread wasn't from 2014. But then again, this wouldn't have made sense a year ago. Strange!

This is a current year item.   They have it listed on their site now.

Would say it's more in the "lotto" mining area.  So special area of mining.
hero member
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Glow Stick Dance!
What year is this?! I had to go back and check that this thread wasn't from 2014. But then again, this wouldn't have made sense a year ago. Strange!
hero member
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FUN > ROI
I'm guessing webmaster snafu involving one price change (maybe to change the mini to multiple units, but forgot to set) and one copy/paste from the result of that Smiley
legendary
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What is going on with their site?  They offer the nano2 (undisclosed quantity) for 7.20BTC, and Avalon4 mini for 7.20BTC (undisclosed quantity).
hero member
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FUN > ROI
I figured 193 years on 20c power was enough detail, but I can factor those in if you want Smiley
I need to know if my great, great, great, great, great grandkids will see a profit Sad

But yes, please do factor halving into your spreadsheet Cheesy
hero member
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Founder of Incakoin
The price of bitcoin is the issue here. Avalon clearly thought BTC prices were going to the moon when they designed this little Gem here. A slight miscalculation.?.
legendary
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Your ROI calculation once again doesn't take the halving in 2016 into account.  Nor the halving in 2020.  Nor 2024, 2028, 2032... Wink

I figured 193 years on 20c power was enough detail, but I can factor those in if you want Smiley
hero member
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FUN > ROI
Your ROI calculation once again doesn't take the halving in 2016 into account.  Nor the halving in 2020.  Nor 2024, 2028, 2032... Wink

I'm pretty sure devices like these are not meant for ROI and people understand that Smiley  I agree with others, though.. I'm not even seeing a novelty factor here that would warrant such a high price.
legendary
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Site now updated with pricing and ability to add to cart; BTC1.08 (at time of writing)
http://ehash.com/product/avalon4-mini/

Impressive ROI figures, tough decision ahead about purchasing Smiley

hero member
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FUN > ROI
Site now updated with pricing and ability to add to cart; BTC1.08 (at time of writing)
http://ehash.com/product/avalon4-mini/
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
I don't know if that's factory-fresh or leftover stock from earlier in the year or whenever, but I did forget to consider them when considering other stick miners. Yeah we got the Nano beat pretty soundly.

I wonder if holybitcoin's prices for Nanos will change if he starts selling Compacs too...
alh
legendary
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Novak was just comparing this product to our Compac stick. With stock USB power, nine sticks (at $225) will run you about 75GH off about 25W and be dead silent. Or if you crank 'em on a decent hub you could do that with four sticks (at $100) and a light fan for about 30W. And the Compac is probably the worst dollars-per-gigahash miner currently being manufactured, because there's a separate VRM and USB interface and LEDs and oscillator and IO LDOs and heatsink per chip and it's still better than the Mini in every category except "has its own case".

I'd buy one of these boxes if it was about $50, mostly to play with. More'n $200 for it is retarded, when you could buy a pair of S3 with PSU for about the same and get twelve times the hashrate and similar efficiency and noise.

With all due respect to you and Novak, I don't think the Compac has the worst $$$/GH ratio. On holybitoin, NEW Aavalon Nano 3 USB sticks are going for about $30. They are less than 5GH, so I think you are safe for the time being.

 Smiley
legendary
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i just bought 2 Avalon 4.1's for the same price as 4 of these mini's

no brainer to me

Where did you buy the 4.1?

got them from holyscott @ holybitcoin.com, hes got them listed with a temp image of an sp20, but i can assure you they are avalon 4.1's

Real good guy too, have bought from him twice, great service.

yeah he has great communication, available at all hours (mostly) to answer any questions and such
sr. member
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i just bought 2 Avalon 4.1's for the same price as 4 of these mini's

no brainer to me

Where did you buy the 4.1?

got them from holyscott @ holybitcoin.com, hes got them listed with a temp image of an sp20, but i can assure you they are avalon 4.1's

Real good guy too, have bought from him twice, great service.
legendary
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i just bought 2 Avalon 4.1's for the same price as 4 of these mini's

no brainer to me

Where did you buy the 4.1?

got them from holyscott @ holybitcoin.com, hes got them listed with a temp image of an sp20, but i can assure you they are avalon 4.1's
hero member
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i just bought 2 Avalon 4.1's for the same price as 4 of these mini's

no brainer to me

Where did you buy the 4.1?
legendary
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yeah wth are they smoking?  this price seems insane for such a novelty item, i was considering one or two for the office desk but screw that.. i just bought 2 Avalon 4.1's for the same price as 4 of these mini's

no brainer to me
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
Novak was just comparing this product to our Compac stick. With stock USB power, nine sticks (at $225) will run you about 75GH off about 25W and be dead silent. Or if you crank 'em on a decent hub you could do that with four sticks (at $100) and a light fan for about 30W. And the Compac is probably the worst dollars-per-gigahash miner currently being manufactured, because there's a separate VRM and USB interface and LEDs and oscillator and IO LDOs and heatsink per chip and it's still better than the Mini in every category except "has its own case".

I'd buy one of these boxes if it was about $50, mostly to play with. More'n $200 for it is retarded, when you could buy a pair of S3 with PSU for about the same and get twelve times the hashrate and similar efficiency and noise.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
I don't buy toys in 500+ numbers Smiley

Packaged as they are, it's way better than a chili board, where I had a ton of wires and  a PC running the mining software. I previously bought chili at 0.75 BTC from MrTeal. Given the current date/time .. these are 2 years late and way more expensive for the controller and casing they come with..

I think they don't have a controller and plug into a usb 2 port.  so your pc or rasp pi is the controller.

but the pricing as shown by a screen shot of a letter to our fellow miner from Russia ------------- Rabinovitch  (Sp?)  makes them something I like but won't buy.

At 100 it would be over priced but slap to my mining pc point it at ck solo pool  and in a year or two maybe I get a block (not likely )  at 235 it is a no go.

that extra 135  in price =  45 months of mining it if I use 23 kwatts a month at 13 cents. 

I can buy an s-3 for 125  downclock it to 300gh and be better off.
hero member
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I don't buy toys in 500+ numbers Smiley

Packaged as they are, it's way better than a chili board, where I had a ton of wires and  a PC running the mining software. I previously bought chili at 0.75 BTC from MrTeal. Given the current date/time .. these are 2 years late and way more expensive for the controller and casing they come with..
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
anyone know the price of this miner?

they seem to be 235 each if you order 500 of them.

basically insanely overpriced.

I tried to do a group buy but price is too high


read this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-am-judging-interest-in-a-group-buy-of-the-avalon-mini-1114143
That is too much for a toy Sad

yeah it is just too much to pay for it.
sr. member
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anyone know the price of this miner?

they seem to be 235 each if you order 500 of them.

basically insanely overpriced.

I tried to do a group buy but price is too high


read this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-am-judging-interest-in-a-group-buy-of-the-avalon-mini-1114143
That is too much for a toy Sad
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
anyone know the price of this miner?

they seem to be 235 each if you order 500 of them.

basically insanely overpriced.

I tried to do a group buy but price is too high


read this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-am-judging-interest-in-a-group-buy-of-the-avalon-mini-1114143
legendary
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anyone know the price of this miner?

Yes, see my post about 5 up ^^^
legendary
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All I can say is this is typical of Avalon.
sr. member
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anyone know the price of this miner?
legendary
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The only alt coins worth mining, IME, are Scrypt, X11, and POSSIBLY SHA256 merge-minable coins like Namecoin. Everything else has way too small of a market to be worth wasting time on IME.


 At $200+, I see there being NO market for this thing except for folks that like expen$$$ive toys to play with.
hero member
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Founder of Incakoin
I'd have to say this is more geared around alt coins?
Try finding a Bitcoin mining-compatible altcoin that's worth the bother that can't also already be merge-mined (like namecoin).  No Bitcoin mining gear is built around altcoins specifically, and hardware that is built for altcoins is incompatible with mining Bitcoin (e.g. scrypt hardware for litecoin/dogecoin)
I agree with you completely but still wonder why the effort for another overpriced toy really.
I can't see a hec of a lot of sales to make production effort worthwhile :/
hero member
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FUN > ROI
I'd have to say this is more geared around alt coins?
Try finding a Bitcoin mining-compatible altcoin that's worth the bother that can't also already be merge-mined (like namecoin).  No Bitcoin mining gear is built around altcoins specifically, and hardware that is built for altcoins is incompatible with mining Bitcoin (e.g. scrypt hardware for litecoin/dogecoin)
hero member
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Founder of Incakoin
I'd have to say this is more geared around alt coins?
sr. member
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78GH at it's high setting.

 But unless they price it under $40 WITH shipping, forget ever managing to ROI it unless you're on free electric. Perhaps $50 if you have 3c/KWH or cheaper electric.

 Very late to the game with that generation of chip.


these are for free power situations.

 A dorm
 An office
 A hotel room.

I read the review and they are a bit too loud  51db.

use chrome and google translate:

http://www.cybtc.com/article-1880-1.html
I advise against office mining though, I wouldn't risk my job over mining and being accused of stealing electricity when IT calls your boss about unusual activity.

 12 watts on low 30 watts on high.

 this is meant as a lotto type device.

Not the same as running a few avalon 4.1's

My argument would be I like the white noise it makes I rather hear that then a radio. 

But I do agree too many of these will cause an issue.
I wouldn't be worried about noise or wattage use though just more about the packets going out, definitely great for college, hotels, possibly even car mining (convertor and some cars have built in wifi now).
legendary
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78GH at it's high setting.

 But unless they price it under $40 WITH shipping, forget ever managing to ROI it unless you're on free electric. Perhaps $50 if you have 3c/KWH or cheaper electric.

 Very late to the game with that generation of chip.


Avalon, delivering hardware 6 months after the competition and massively overpriced since their very first machine.

Buy 500 of them and you get them for the bargain price $235 + shipping each.

I expect that once the OP has added on his profit margin and shipping they'll be $300 yeah sign me up why would I want an S5 for the same amount lol
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
78GH at it's high setting.

 But unless they price it under $40 WITH shipping, forget ever managing to ROI it unless you're on free electric. Perhaps $50 if you have 3c/KWH or cheaper electric.

 Very late to the game with that generation of chip.


these are for free power situations.

 A dorm
 An office
 A hotel room.

I read the review and they are a bit too loud  51db.

use chrome and google translate:

http://www.cybtc.com/article-1880-1.html
I advise against office mining though, I wouldn't risk my job over mining and being accused of stealing electricity when IT calls your boss about unusual activity.

 12 watts on low 30 watts on high.

 this is meant as a lotto type device.

Not the same as running a few avalon 4.1's

My argument would be I like the white noise it makes I rather hear that then a radio. 

But I do agree too many of these will cause an issue.
sr. member
Activity: 254
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78GH at it's high setting.

 But unless they price it under $40 WITH shipping, forget ever managing to ROI it unless you're on free electric. Perhaps $50 if you have 3c/KWH or cheaper electric.

 Very late to the game with that generation of chip.


these are for free power situations.

 A dorm
 An office
 A hotel room.

I read the review and they are a bit too loud  51db.

use chrome and google translate:

http://www.cybtc.com/article-1880-1.html
I advise against office mining though, I wouldn't risk my job over mining and being accused of stealing electricity when IT calls your boss about unusual activity.
legendary
Activity: 4256
Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
78GH at it's high setting.

 But unless they price it under $40 WITH shipping, forget ever managing to ROI it unless you're on free electric. Perhaps $50 if you have 3c/KWH or cheaper electric.

 Very late to the game with that generation of chip.


these are for free power situations.

 A dorm
 An office
 A hotel room.

I read the review and they are a bit too loud  51db.

use chrome and google translate:

http://www.cybtc.com/article-1880-1.html
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
78GH at it's high setting.

 But unless they price it under $40 WITH shipping, forget ever managing to ROI it unless you're on free electric. Perhaps $50 if you have 3c/KWH or cheaper electric.

 Very late to the game with that generation of chip.
hero member
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That's not mini, that is micro. Who needs 30gh toy miner?
hero member
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FUN > ROI
cybtc have a review with more details (pics, specs, chrome app interface) up: http://www.cybtc.com/article-1880-1.html
legendary
Activity: 2030
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A humble Siberian miner
Very strange price they want to charge for it.

Very strange product to release at this point in time.
I would like to buy several units for a reasonable price. 30 USD for each of, for example, 5 units in one parcel + 50-60 USD for shipping. For fun and for office use.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Christian Antkow
Very strange product to release at this point in time.
newbie
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http://www.itop-corp.com/asset/cache/__h64__/internal/logo.png

Hi All ,
Avalon just present the Engineering test machine of their latest Home/office miner Aavalon 4 mini
it get lower W/G compare with antimer U3 , we will see how stable it is when it opening to sale,
We have not got the price information right now .

Here are specs and some pictures
Avalon4 A3222 Bitcion mining ASIC
manufacturer:Avalon
chip:TSMC 28mm  QFN56-8×8 , 0.5mm pitch
Hashrate:SHA-256 , 25GHS@400MHz
power: 0.4-0.6W/G
Dimension: 163mm x 66mm x97mm
Weight: 780g

http://www.itop-corp.com/asset/file/image/20150814/20150814115913_53582.jpg

http://www.itop-corp.com/asset/file/image/20150814/20150814115914_39667.jpg

http://www.itop-corp.com/asset/file/image/20150814/20150814115917_83254.jpg

http://www.itop-corp.com/asset/file/image/20150814/20150814115919_43237.jpg

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