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Please use numbers/data to make an argument, otherwise it's meaningless. 

For example, this post shows expected return using the current data:

$770.57 Starter Rig; $1650.53 Example Rig

I started keeping track of hashrates in a table:

Mainstream GPUs hold the most value over time. 

Of course, I'm not very fond of mining. Well, it is clear that Nvidea made a gaming video card, and even in the community of gamers, it is not very relevant to the 2000 series.

Well, apparently that the 1600 series is now the most profitable option to build a farm.

Have a look at this post/thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50982585

According to this comparison table, RTX 2060's are actually significantly better than anything else. At least, if you intend to mine x16 algos. They have the shortest time to breakeven. Best hash/dollar, best hash/watt.

I read this thread twice and havent seen anything about data besides ethash. I`m happy that you mining ETH but this is about NVIDIA. If you dont know - they dont mine ETH.

Already put some figures before.

Ethereum foundation has confirmed if the team will not change ethereum network into a full POS system. They will still keep their POW with 0.5 ethereum as a reward for each block solved by the miners and the miners will still get the TX fees by validating the transaction in the network. Some may switch to another POW coin and you should not worry about that.
If you are visiting specialized mining forum and you will find a lot of AMD's table. But i still prefer to use nvidia

"Better than everything else"

That's not the case.

Thx!

And what table we can see for AMD GPUs? Ethash and hashrate. It`s all. And what would they mine after ETH PoS?

fullzero Sorry for this, but i`m really tired to see in the thread with NVIDIA hashes discussion about AMD.

If you can get them for this much then yes the radeon VII would be the better choice but if you get it for the retail price then no. The 3x1660ti would be the better way to go with the price and the efficiency of the cards when it comes to paying expensive electrical costs to run this amd card compared to 75watts per ti cards.

Its over clocked at 1800 mhz running 2800 on xmr at less then 200 watts per card.

I was running some quick numbers 1660 ti vs Radeon VII $ per hash and watt per hash are very close.  Advantage of the Radeon VII is it might retain its value better then the 1660s similar to a 1080ti?

What I understand, compared to others, it is fast at Cryptonight-R. When looking at pure ETH hashrate/watt numbers, Radeon VII outcompetes anything out there.

Yes I agree with you, have checked about it and I must say, overlooking the cost and focusing on its potential, one can really make a reasonable profit. I think Its about time I give it a trial.

Please, count it in RVN and then say how much 1660ti is needed to be equal 1 Radeon 7, then count ROI in RVN.
No one serious miners would not buy NVIDIA to mine ethash.

It's also a beast on all CN coins.
On progpow with stock setting 28,5MH/s for 310W. Tune it a bit you get 28.38MH/s for 243W.

May I know how much the GPU speed of your device is my friend?
Do you do overclock your device?
I think it will increase your income in mining, with the consideration of saving electricity or not if you do overclocking your device.

I just bought 3 open box for $629 each, mining xmr right now zero problems.  After electricity they are making slight over a dollar a day each using less then 200 watts each.  It would take 3 1660 tis to equal that at more money and power.  Downside is AMD is only decent for cyoptonight and eth.

Although it looks expensive, but according to many reviews both here and otherwise it looks promising. Will visit one of my friends who is a mining freak and get first-hand knowledge of it.

Radeon VII is very expensive and only ETH is worth mining. Its pure silicon lottery, also bios flash and the software are a pain... Check the RVII thread.

Nvidia everything is super easy and you can mine most of the coins outthere.

What about a Radeon VII?  Very efficient and might retain its value better, similar to a 1080 ti.

Why are you trying time after time count in ETH? If you want to mine it - buy AMD, RX57(8)0 are the best choice and be happy. Tractor can move on the road but you`d prefer a car i think.

I have both 1660 and the 1600tis and they are very close in performance.  The ti seems  like it might be more future proof with faster memory. 

I don't know about your friend's friends, but my 1660 Ti's mine just fine thank you very much!

this is why being able to do mining should be able to know what is needed for sure, not to buy something that is very expensive but cannot be used.

The mining speed here reaches 30 mh/s. You can also make it work better and faster if you use MSI Afterburner program (it is free). For now, it is one of the best cards for mining when using home computers.

Yes, you are right,
Nvidia GPU 1600 series is better than others,
my friend has used the 1600 series Nvidia GPU for the miner's client, he also used GPU 1660ti and the results were unsatisfactory because GPU 166ti didn't support the miner's client, my friend was disappointed to have bought 1660ti.
if anyone doubts I suggest buying the 1600 Nvidia GPU series to prove it yourself. in my opinion, we are very fortunate to buy it because many miner clients support the 1600 Nvidia GPU series.

Webpage says the power draw is 135 watts. 

I have 80 GPUS and I run them at 70% and make a decent profit at .042 cents KWH.

I think the power you use to do mining is very high, imagine if you have a lot of cards then the power you need is very large and not profitable.

That's at default clock with default power draw. The card will draw roughly 200-230W while mining, so it is pointless. Undervolting it down to 1150-1200 core should achieve nearly half the power draw.

RX sires cards do not look too bad for progpow https://progpow.pro/.  Looks like a 580 can get 80% of the performance of a 1070 for less then 1/2 the price.


RX 570 = 11.23
1070 = 13.3

Radeon VII does good on CryptoNight-R and Ethash. You can fall back to CN-R with that one.

Lots of people been talking about an "near" switch to POS two years ago, and they were telling others not to buy GPU's based on ETH mining merits. So at least I'm certainly not holding my breath! Whatever happens, 1660Ti is pretty decent on ProgPOW too, according to tests from BBT and other sources.

Where did you spot an 8 gig 1660 Ti?

I think this is too long to get a profit and now I can say it is not too profitable anymore because seeing the condition of ethereum prices which are currently very cheap will not be able to provide maximum profits anymore. now the miners have started to decrease due to seeing the collapsed condhere price of ethereum.

So now I'm more confused than ever I what cards I want to add was looking at some used vega's which I don't have any or adding more 570 8gb now you guys have me looking at 1660ti, the problem is AMD was the go to mining card and the nvidia guys used to complain there wasn't any support for miners now AMD is lacking on support for miners but will say I hardly have any problems with my 1070s

https://www.coindesk.com/funding-approved-for-audit-of-ethereums-progpow-mining-proposal

They want to do an audit of PROG and its suppose to be complete sometime in July.  So who knows when they would switch.

yeah the newer a graphics card will be the better the potential of the graphics card for mining cryptocurrency if someone wants to use the GTX 1660 is a great idea because that's the latest version of GTX.

I even find it hard to imagine what will happen with mining capacities in a few years. I am not at all sure that for amateurs or semi professionals with small farms there will be an opportunity to earn money from mining.

I can buy 2 RX580 8GB for the same price, and the 580 hashes Etash at 31MH/s. Unless you pay more than 0.16USD/KW/H, you have a faster break even with a pair of 580s.

1660Ti: https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/ethereum-mining-calculator/?h=30.00&p=80.00&pc=0.16&pf=0.90&d=1877509334277410&r=2.00000000&er=0.02981921&btcer=5379.70000000&hc=300.00
2X RX580 8GB: https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/ethereum-mining-calculator/?h=62.00&p=200.00&pc=0.16&pf=0.90&d=1877509334277410&r=2.00000000&er=0.02981921&btcer=5379.70000000&hc=300.00

Also for 700USD, the Radeon VII can pull 100MH/s (undervolt + OC memory).

I'm sure most of mining clients will adopt 1600 series because most miner will switch to that gpu to earn more profits. With the increase of hash power in the crypto space make the blockchain much safer and faster.

New Nvidia Geforce GTX1660Ti is cool for mining Ethereum. The price of it is also OK, it varies between 299 and 349 USD. And its memory is 6-8 Gb. The tests of this stuff have shown 30 MH/s  and less energy consumption.

Here is the price:
1660 is $220.

1660ti is $279. 

2060 is $350.

P106-100 is $100

So please buy AMD GPU if you want to mine XMR

I'm rather confident in my mining choices, otherwise I'd mine ETH. Time will tell if I was right or if I wasted energy. Anyways, during late fall / winter / spring the rig warms the living room, I don't use any heater 

And if your coin does not grow? you will be at a loss. Maybe we should immediately sell the coins in order to pay the cost of electricity?

Still mining with my little 4 RX574 rig, I can pay the electricity bill (same 0.16$ per KW/h) and when price will rise again the coin should value much more than the cost of electricity.

The RX 570 is the goto-card on the AMD side.  I sold my RX 580s only to buy back the same number of RX 570, because they consume less power, and the hash is the same.
The 1660 looks to be a good contender to replace my 1070s... 
The whattomine power figures are waay off.  Looks like all cards consume 130 watts carte blanche...
My RX 570s need 110 Watts at 30.5 MH/s ETH
My GTX 1070s are at 115-117Watts mining Ravens...

I've got 14 RX570's sitting around. Turned them off several months ago, and haven't put them back to work. At $0.16 per kWh, whatever I mine currently makes no money so I just haven't bothered. At this stage, if I could be @rsed, I'd sell them off for $50 each. They paid for themselves several times over.

I bought a Sapphire RX570 4G gaming for 130€ brand new in january. It's got Samsung memory, can hold 2100MHz mem speed and gets 31-31.5MH/s mining ETASH
Mining CN Heavy: 915H/s
CN turtle: 8500H/s
CN Waltz: 1300-1320H/s

Any GTX1660Ti is twice more expensive where I live.

I'm not trying other algorithms, because I mostly want to mine privacy based coins.

What are you mining with your cards?

Yeah Vega cards is a beast, and have been for a long time. Now with AMD Memory Tweaking it's even better. I'm glad I recently bought five Vega 56s for 190$ each. The profit for me is with expensive electicity (0.12$/kWh) is 1.7$ a day for four cards, and that's at pool side.

rx vega 56 @240$ second hand doing 1,3$/day merged mining,  power consumption around 0.3$
sorry nvidia fanboys letting you down
and just to remember, not all algo showing on whattomine

Prices have already fallen in anticipation of changes. But it is necessary to calculate economically, he may have to wait a bit when newer options to mine its become cheaper.

Thanks for the feedback, that makes me more inclined to stick with the single fan fat heatsink cards although I may pick up one of those MSI two fan versions for the same price just to compare.

That 3-slot EVGA 1 fan editions are great for mining and cool enough. But the resale value of 2 or 3 fan cards are higher, because its more the style of "Gamers". Also every blinki LED shit is a good bonus on top.

I have one EVGA GTX 1660 TI single fan model and I am thinking about picking up a couple more, I was thinking about the 1660 model but I do like the idea of having faster memory bandwidth for those algos that require it.  Do you guys like the two fan models or do you find the single fan models to be adequate for your cooling and overclock needs?

https://investoon.com/tools/dag_size

4gb 17/DEC/2020

eth will move to progpow which will already turn it useless x nvidia. AMD cards will move to other coins example, monero which at moment gives the same value as mining eth and memory wise will never die off as monero can be mined with less than 1gb memory.

A 4GB has no difference on hashrate.

As per my post, " it was sold in retail stores for a long time at that price.".

https://wccftech.com/score-a-sapphire-radeon-rx-570-4gb-right-now-for-only-99/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdUAecssqAg
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/a7i5so/is_this_worth_it_sub_100usd_brand_new_rx_470_4gb/

Made a couple of adjustments:
Those 1660TI are looking really, really good...



And while some get better results at lower PL ratings, over a longer average, with my rigs, I find these numbers close to my averages - on the GPUs I have, 1070, 1070TI and 1660TI.

And yes, tuning your rigs can gain you 5-10% improvement on ROI. Also, I strongly recommend looking at your Electric bill. I live in Chicago and changed from Com Ed's "fixed rate" to "daily live pricing" and over the past year have saved about 16% - literately thousands of dollars.

If somebody can't find a new rx 570 for $100 then is their fault, it was sold in retail stores for a long time at that price.

But buying 2nd hand cards is high risk and pure gamble. You can get broken parts, or simply nothing. And this will drop your profits massively.

That's the big issue (bolded), rx cards are so flooded on the second hand market, I could hardly even sell a like new rx470, they're not even worth $100 these days lol -- and this point is profits aside

https://whattomine.com/coins/151-eth-ethash?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=30&p=130&fee=2&cost=0.1&hcost=100&commit=Calculate

You talk as if there is a choice for amd miners. Every website says eth still the most profitable popular coin using amd gpus. Now if you say nvidia users then I agree with you and already posted many times if mining with a nvidia gpu then there is no point even thinking about eth but the funny thing is you posted the 1660ti hashrate for xmr and eth as it made any sense using it to mine them.

And by the way saying "1600 series Nvidia GPUs are significantly better than everything else. )" is also a misleading title, amd polaris still the best price performance and if you meant that is better in the sense of being better than everything else then where does the 2080ti stay? So one or the other way you are deluding yourself or the people or both with that statement.

Even if it does that, a rx 570 can be bought for $100 and the 1660ti is around $350. What the hell.

what numbers did you get in your testing and how many 1660s have you lumped into one rig?

Yes exactly. I have one 1660ti and its power draw is very low. Nice card... but devs and good drivers need to optimize it.     

You are so true. It's absolutely not worth it to build rigs and spend cash to new PSU/MOBO/RAM RTX card but if you can source these parts used from quitting miners (Vosk) who spent excess amounts of buying mint new gear while crypto hit the fan, you might get something out of it. We have found used 1,2kw PSU for free and AsRock 13GPU mining MOBO (20$) for practically free. Stick it with 4GB RAM and 40$ Celeron and USB drive for linux mining OS you will have decent 13GPU mining rig perfect for 24/7 mining. I have found miners dumping P106-100 6GB cards for as low as 50$ because they cannot be used for gaming. You can wire off 13card P106-100 mining rig which is effective GTX 1060 rig with powerlimit 80W per card it will be roughly 1kw.... we have done tens of them so it works. It mines perfectly over the costs example RVN. Total cost of our 13card 1kw rigs is somewhat 1000$

At this market it's 0 point to invest sticker price stuff.
But in the end those who pay sticker price always lose.

Yeah. Did you see those sapphire 570 4gb on amazon for £100 - new? That's bonkers cheap. If I could still run them profitably I would have bought a few rigs...

fpgas just took over phi2 btw

That is pretty true actually.
But then again, you can also have a general positive view on the market and buy gear now because you can. Better than buying RX570's for $600 in spring 2018...

The only real valid question remains however whether you should buy gear or coins at this stage if you're expecting markets to rise.

I agree 1300 day payback period is a joke and that's if your lucky enough to have a 10 cent watt rate for residential, 100 percent uptime and I didn't even include the power it takes to run the cpu, motherboard, system and cooling. So the real pay back period is probably much longer than 5 years.  But I guess that's what mining is at its current phase.   Its over saturated with plenty of dumb miner money and It's a race to the bottom.  

It's so easy to mine and everyone knows how to do it and people would pay to do it for entertainment.  If you want to be successful do something that  nobody else knows how to do or wants to do.  I would not rely on gpu mining to replace my day job (sorry Vosk you got roasted buddy, good thing you get some income from youtube)

I accepted these fact and only mine as a hobby now. Quite an expensive one

1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining.  This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay.  So your 1,300 day return is $180.  Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.

2080 does seem like the sweet spot , 2070 seems not bad either for $489

To me the 2070 is the Best Buy , it has the power of a 1080ti , etc cores and $300 newly less than a 2080 rtx

Not true at all  according to whattomine .  If your mining at 10 cent watt rate as an average home miner mining ethereum at 30 hashrate at 70 watts and if you use the 2080 rtx to mine zcoin at 3.6 hash rate at 150w.  The 2080 rtx actually has a faster pay off period. About 1376 days to payback 1660 ti for $289 for the evga gaming edtion or 1344 payback for the top of the line $780 dollar for evga xc gaming edition.  Even faster payoff if you choose the cheaper 2080 rtx gigabytes at $730 (1258 days)

So now you gota ask yourself.  What has better resale value, what's more future proof,   Would you rather be stuck with some 1660 ti or stuck with a 2080 rtx.   I think the answer is quite clear that the 2080 rtx is the most superior cost effect mining card to date.

If i bought a 1660 ti I would have major buyers remorse I could have bought a better card like a 2080 rtx and have faster ROI

And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.

@fanatic26_ and @lunobird

You are both right and you are both wrong.
As I wrote above, core-bound algos scale very well across the nvidia range when it comes to hash/watt and hash/dollar. The differences are minimal.

Now if you throw EThash, CN or algos that are badly optimised into the mix of course your results will vary. These cards aren't using the same memory across the range.

You need to compare apples to apples. And then you'll basically pick your weapon of choice according to your strategy and budget.

So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.

On Ethereum ProgPoW The RX470 gets about 9.7(stock) at full power(130w TDP). GTX1660ti gets about 15mh/s stock (130w TDP). I've tested both.

I have not seen anything (yet) to indicate that there will be any 1600 series GPUs higher then the 1660 Ti.  Since that would lead to competition with the 2000 series I would be surprised if they released one at all.

Hence the reason why you should get a 2080 rtx now and mine early and get all the meat. The asic boys can have my scraps after they release their miner later at end of year.

Getting in early now is way more profitable than getting in late with more powerful hardware.

Plus I'm not focusing on grin only.  Theres tons of algos the 2080 rtx does well at and much more efficient than a 1660 ti.

Same here good stuff but is eth going to swithc to PROGPOW?  What kind of performance will a 470 have in progpow?  Rx 400 and 500 eries are cheap right now if they preform well on prog they are a steal. 

Man you sound so delusional its hilarious

Funny title. Radeons RX470 bought in 2016 for 165€ are hashing ethash 29.2 MH/s and Cryptonight V4 @ 1000 H/s. Consuming around 90 watts. So yeah 1600 series are "significantly" better than everything else  

Cuckaroo29 is a GPU focused algo specifically designed to be phased out by next year in favor of the ASIC focused Cukaroo31 algo so if you are looking long term this is not the algo to be focusing on.


Source: https://blog.blockcypher.com/an-introduction-to-grin-proof-of-work-103aaa9f66ce

Seen the grin hashrate for 1660 ti. Pretty pathetic at 3.3 g/s. I assume at 90 watts at best

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-much-of-mining-hashrates-for-gtx-1660ti-5113961

My 2080 rtx does 7.4 g/s and 150 watts.

Lol its number 96 out of 100 on coinmarketcap with a horrible market volume that makes it the very definition of a shitcoin. I mean it was popular a lil over a year ago before settling down into the basement with all the other dying coins.

Again none of that addresses your "two steps ahead" philosophy or your claim its so much more efficient even at 2.5 times+ the cost.

You seem to have a hard on for new overpriced cards saying you would buy the Vega VII as well. Not sure if you followed mining after the release of the original Vega but the drivers are shit and it will take months and months and months before people bother adding support for it in their miners. Its yet another poor purchase choice in the current market.

Zcoin is not a shitcoin it's the number #3 coin by market cap for best masternodes and it's in the first page of the top 100 coins.

If I wanted the best eth miner I would get a Vega vii. Not 1660 ti.

And it's true 2080 rtx sucks at eth. It has an achiles heel. But it rocks all other algos like a boss.

Maths are hard for some people i guess

1660Ti = $299 MSRP

RTX 2080 = $799 MSRP


If you can find the 2080 on a 1 off low price, you will be able to do the same thing for the 1660 once its a month or two old. You are cherry picking your data to prove your point even though you are standing on very shaky ground. You even had to single out one particular algo and a random useless shitcoin to prove your point.

Lets look at something more popular...say ETH hash rates.

1660Ti = 29.5MH @ 90w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/avyaq1/gtx_1660_ti_mining_performance/ )
2080   = 42.3MH @ 168w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/9ixng5/rtx_2080_mining_hashrateperformance/ )

So on the most popular algo you can get a pair of 1660s doing 59mh @ 180w or a single 2080 doing 42.3mh @ 168w....

PHi2

1660Ti = 9.2mh @ 90w
2080   =  9.97mh @ 168w

The 1660 dominates here....

x16r

1660TI = 17.8mh @ 90w
2080    = 30mh @ 168w

Close enough to be nearly identical....


See when you cherry pick results its easy to make claims that your way is the best. The unfortunate side effect is someone might listen to your bs and make a poor decision after reading this because they dont know how to do proper research on their own.

oh really lets see here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/avyaq1/gtx_1660_ti_mining_performance/

MTP-Zcoin (CryptoDredge 0.17)   1.84 Mhs   Core +80 / Mem +600   Powerlimit 75   Intensity 6   90 Watts

My 2080 rtx gets double that at 3.6 mhz  core +125/ Mem +175 Power limit 65  .     150 Watts.

That means you would have to buy two of these gtx 1660 ti to match a 2080 rtx performance and your using up more energy in the process  at 180 watts total vs 150watts.   In this multi year bear/accumulation game its all about efficiency because your just 1 watt away from getting liquidated, and this proves the 2080 rtx is more efficient and worth paying a little bit more for.  I've seen 2080 rtx on sale for $660 last week on B&H.  You get the extra rtx cores for gaming, better resale value, more future proof, more dense rig setup and more energy efficiency.

Most miners care about daily profits on whattomine and have fast they can break even and be stuck with junk hardware. These are your typical home hobbist miners that will never be able to expand and always be small timers

 I think two steps ahead and focus on whats going to get me the maximum amount of money in a few years of mining and not selling a single coin till we hit next parabolic bull cycle.  I always pick out my gpu's based on a  rig setup that will allow me to mine the most popular new coins like grin and beam early before asics hit them and I pick hardware that has most efficiency for the long game so i don't get gpu liquidated.

With low electrical cost a 2080 will take you 1,000 days to payback your initial investment. 

If you are interested in a multi year payback time sure.

You would have to be an absolute fool to spend money on RTX cards for mining at this point....

2080 rtx is the new king. I don't touch low class stuff like the 1660 ti. Compare mining specs on grin.

Has anyone done some algo testing with the plain 1660's with DDR5 yet?

Don't completely agree. Yes, the 16xx series is good for mining, but it's not the best by a huge margin. As a matter of fact, core-bound algos scale very well across the range.

1660 -> 1660Ti -> 2060 -> 2070 etc all have very similar hash/watt and hash/dollar. It's now very much down to how much you want to spend, and build your rigs accordingly.

Basically, only the 2080Ti and Titans are disconnected. They are WAY more expensive and ratios are off.

Is the 1670 confirmed?

agreed that both the 1660 and 1660ti are excellent mining cards, at least for everything but Ethereum/XMR. They do OK in ethereum AMDs still hold XMR throne. I doubt we'll see anything better than 1660ti. I assumed something was in the works as nvidias "Mining GPU" however the crash left a sour note in there mouths. Doubt we'll ever see mining GPU from nvidia again.

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