Topic: Bad Faith in the Gambling Ecosystem (Read 633 times)

I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

It is rumoured that most of these review sites are owned by online casinos and they pay people to give good reviews of their sites. You have to remember that these sites are not regulated like most of the brick n mortar casinos, so it is bit of a wild west out there now.

Bitcoin's annoymity are helping these sites to hide most of these activities, so you should not even bother to take reviews on these sites seriously. I would rather suggest that you signup for these casinos and test them for yourself. Tongue

Possibility of bad publicity among other competitors would really be just a normal thing.They might not be spotted out directly but you can see some obvious advertisements and reviews.
Relying with those reviews wont really be ideal and as being said it would be better if you do just test waters on your own and judge for yourself if its legit enough or not.

I have not seen any casino, good crypto casino use these methods to try to make it self more visible to the community and the few ones that may have done I am sure they don't exist anymore.When you try to throw trash at your competitor by using shill accounts you will only damage yourself by doing so as the community already knows who the best casinos are.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on April 19, 2019, 07:32:38 AM

I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

Exactly. I mean these companies have to make money in the market and this is one of those bad ways to attract costumers and get their costumers base increased. But this is an open secret and is understandable that there is always a difference between what you see over the screen and what you experience while using their service and I think that a wise man will never take time to point out a gambling site that scams people.

Being with good faith may be good in all other fields but definitely not with gambling as it may lead big losses as being with good faith will induce to add more bankroll which is definitely not a good thing for gambling as gambling is known for losing all bankroll frequently.

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I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

It is rumoured that most of these review sites are owned by online casinos and they pay people to give good reviews of their sites. You have to remember that these sites are not regulated like most of the brick n mortar casinos, so it is bit of a wild west out there now.

Bitcoin's annoymity are helping these sites to hide most of these activities, so you should not even bother to take reviews on these sites seriously. I would rather suggest that you signup for these casinos and test them for yourself. Tongue

Possibility of bad publicity among other competitors would really be just a normal thing.They might not be spotted out directly but you can see some obvious advertisements and reviews.
Relying with those reviews wont really be ideal and as being said it would be better if you do just test waters on your own and judge for yourself if its legit enough or not.

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Quote from: MFahad on April 10, 2019, 11:21:22 PM

I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

It is rumoured that most of these review sites are owned by online casinos and they pay people to give good reviews of their sites. You have to remember that these sites are not regulated like most of the brick n mortar casinos, so it is bit of a wild west out there now.

Bitcoin's annoymity are helping these sites to hide most of these activities, so you should not even bother to take reviews on these sites seriously. I would rather suggest that you signup for these casinos and test them for yourself. Tongue

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I guess that's just a part of the competition. That's the reason why gambling sites have to develop their sites continuously. There will always be negative reviews but only the site alone could prove if it's not true or if they're really honest and giving good services to their users.

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Actually in every business we have a dark site and a positive site, then it is not only in gambling we see it. Gambling is highlight because in most of the countries gambling is illegal that's why people see it with a deep eyes.
But now gambling become a very popular business , so in my view, it is a good sign of our ecosystem.

Gambling has really became a higher popular business since the inception of cryptocurrencies. I have seeing many gambling business been open online and offline for the purpose of taking the advantage of this great opportunity that Cryptocoins has provided.

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 08, 2019, 05:31:03 AM

There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Some competitors played a dirty way in order to discredit other gambling sites and to attract the gamblers to join in their site.
I don't see it as a new thing in crypto, the fact that it's not regulated, or appropriate to say that most gambling sites has no license, they can play it the way they want without restriction.

It's their competition but this benefits the gamblers in the general view.

I think that no gambling website is honest with its users.
Every one is here for the money and this is what they do. There is no 0% house edge on any of the gambling websites.

Having said that, it is very easily understandable that at least there is no good faith in the gambling ecosystem. The instruments you use during gambling are never in your favor in this industry though you pay for it. There is a mystery in their engineering.

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The trust is the only thing that keep everything under normal conditions in gambling without any type of Faith with the gambling field it will not run properly without the help of the investors and the people who are trusting it as like money making way and more importantly the investors are the developers here to develop gambling every time.

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Quote from: posi on April 10, 2019, 04:57:10 AM

I dont think any gambling site have to ruin the reputation of it fellow gambling site just because they are competitors. However, there are best we in doing things rather than doing something bad to other which seems to be blocking their roads cause how a gambling site treat their customers/players is what will determine their visitor/players.

Meanwhile, every companies, organizations or project will always have the problem of their own which I believed was part of their duties the team involving because every leader must be a problem solver.

Well, I think there is no concept of faith either good or bad in gambling. It is way too absurd to think that in a capitalist world and in a world where everyone quest to maximize their profits, faith would be of any use. Of course, in the gambling ecosystem, every company or website or house plays you.

You are the one with the lowest advantages and chances of winning. So, bear in mind to question everything you come across in the world of gambling and that may end up in something which will definitely help you to get rid off your problems which may be just quitting gambling for life time. Yes, instead of struggling for each and every aspects, it would be much better to give up once and then lead a happier life ever after.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 11, 2019, 01:45:57 AM

Quote from: Natalim on April 11, 2019, 01:33:38 AM

Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

Hey when you speak about crypto gambling based casinos one should look at the reviews with a pinch of salt, as many of them are of the gamblers who have lost their money and now want a refund. I understand your point that issues don’t happen when you deposit, but if issues happen during withdrawal then it could be because of creating duplicate accounts, or violation of their rules. However if you feel you’re being conned you can always open a scam accusation thread here, in most cases you should get your issue solved.

Not all the time for it to be resolved if you have posted into that section.It might give out some noise but not a guarantee that the gambling site
you have played on isnt a scam.If it is then say goodbye to your funds but eventually why would play into new shady gambling site on the first place?
You can easily spot it out or having just that first impressions when you do tend to play.

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Quote from: Cacingkemi on April 09, 2019, 02:35:44 AM

Quote from: Juggy777 on April 11, 2019, 01:45:57 AM

Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

Customer or also called CS is always justified, not like that if there is evidence it will be followed up and will likely lose the player.However if there are no errors, then IMO its only a communication error that does't understand each other.
Golden reputation in the crypto world that protects them is players, of course not, the experience I know they have security for which might be very strong.

Even if there are such faults that you have mentioned but I still have faith in gambling as this is modern age with time we will see more protection for the gamblers, since the crypto as since early ages when the crypto gambling came into being people are working and investing in gambling, but still some people gambles for another intentions which leads to wrong result I personally really like and enjoying gambling.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 11, 2019, 01:33:38 AM

Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

Hey when you speak about crypto gambling based casinos one should look at the reviews with a pinch of salt, as many of them are of the gamblers who have lost their money and now want a refund. I understand your point that issues don’t happen when you deposit, but if issues happen during withdrawal then it could be because of creating duplicate accounts, or violation of their rules. However if you feel you’re being conned you can always open a scam accusation thread here, in most cases you should get your issue solved.

The problem is not all gambling sites are making their presence felt in this community, so the DT members or the community would not be able to help.
I believe that although good sites has some hidden shadiness inside, so that is already part of the risk of being a gambler.

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Quote from: Natalim on April 11, 2019, 01:33:38 AM

Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

Hey when you speak about crypto gambling based casinos one should look at the reviews with a pinch of salt, as many of them are of the gamblers who have lost their money and now want a refund. I understand your point that issues don’t happen when you deposit, but if issues happen during withdrawal then it could be because of creating duplicate accounts, or violation of their rules. However if you feel you’re being conned you can always open a scam accusation thread here, in most cases you should get your issue solved.

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Customer is always right is suppose to be the general rule in the business, but not in gambling.
We the gamblers or the customers has to follow the terms and condition of the gambling sites, or else we will have a problem with our winning.
One thing I noticed, when depositing money even if you violate their rules, there is no problem, the problem only comes out when you win and try to cash out.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on April 09, 2019, 01:12:25 AM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

Of course, there are competitors that use false news/reviews, shills just to make the other company fall or delay to deliver there services.. It happened before in some exchanges or forums they are getting DDOS where they are flooding the competitor server thus make them not accessible or transactions are lagging or delayed and more. So you're always gonna see Shills, false news /reviews.

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Actually in every business we have a dark site and a positive site, then it is not only in gambling we see it. Gambling is highlight because in most of the countries gambling is illegal that's why people see it with a deep eyes.
But now gambling become a very popular business , so in my view, it is a good sign of our ecosystem.

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Quote from: crzy on April 08, 2019, 05:23:19 PM

Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way but i think gamblers already know where to gamble and they support that gambling site no mattet what. Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one. All they need to do is the consistency of a great system and after that more gamblers will do play on their site.

Legal in a bad way ? You can use the word illegal instead but that is not illegal or wrong to make a competition to someone else . its a business and anyone can do whatever they want to but at the end , people will still be the one to choose if what will they prefer . whats wrong is if they will make false claim about their competitor .

Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one.

I totally opposed the statement made by Crzy and I dont think any gambling site have to ruin the reputation of it fellow gambling site just because they are competitors. However, there are best we in doing things rather than doing something bad to other which seems to be blocking their roads cause how a gambling site treat their customers/players is what will determine their visitor/players.

Meanwhile, every companies, organizations or project will always have the problem of their own which I believed was part of their duties the team involving because every leader must be a problem solver.

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Quote from: crzy on April 08, 2019, 05:23:19 PM

Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

Customer or also called CS is always justified, not like that if there is evidence it will be followed up and will likely lose the player.However if there are no errors, then IMO its only a communication error that does't understand each other.
Golden reputation in the crypto world that protects them is players, of course not, the experience I know they have security for which might be very strong.

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Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way but i think gamblers already know where to gamble and they support that gambling site no mattet what. Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one. All they need to do is the consistency of a great system and after that more gamblers will do play on their site.

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Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way

Legal in a bad way ? You can use the word illegal instead but that is not illegal or wrong to make a competition to someone else . its a business and anyone can do whatever they want to but at the end , people will still be the one to choose if what will they prefer . whats wrong is if they will make false claim about their competitor .

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Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one.

Having a problem is normal and all sites do also experienced it but the problem should be fix asap . if not , the gambling site will loose its costumers .

Overall , bad faith in gambling ecosystem are not real because gambling is not really bad .

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 08, 2019, 05:31:03 AM

There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Because that is the strategy of competition in the business field, the gambling industries now are growing populations so probably business owner has a dirty game to show up their business and make them a huge profit if they are succeeding. But in this case, let's speak people and choose whatever they want in a gambling site, they have their own decisions even how competitor destroy the image of gambling.

Some may try to ruin any gambling sites that is blocking their road and for me its legal in a bad way but i think gamblers already know where to gamble and they support that gambling site no mattet what. Every gambling sites have their own problems, and gamblers also encounter that one. All they need to do is the consistency of a great system and after that more gamblers will do play on their site.

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 05, 2019, 12:03:52 AM

I still have faith in the gambling system, especially now that projects like faireum.io has revolutionized it.

Stop shilling out your faireum.io site. ~~You are spamming everywhere.~~

Really thought this was nothing more than shilling which has also gone off topic with the discussion Sad

Quote from: livingfree on April 04, 2019, 09:54:12 PM

When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

You have a good point, we cant deny that this "fake reviews" practice is happening everywhere. That's why we should not rely on reviews completely, we should be able to filter which reviews are honest and which reviews are fake. This is why this forum is very helpful, I will only trust reviews made by users with good trust or good experiences, obviously there should be valid proofs of the review as well.

So are you saying we should put a blind eye to such reviews because of the filter used or because we are loyal customers and not experiencing the bad service as others Huh

And don't you think that with the crypto ecosystem being generally unregulated, bad reviews need not to go unanswered by engaging these guys in forums they have a presence to come clean as its the only way to regulate them as their reputation is on the line if they choose to be mute..

He didn't say put a blind eye to such reviews but rather should not rely on reviews completely. We all know that most of them are paid reviews, so they are writing the article in a biased manner. You can assess what they are saying if you have actual experience on that platforms. They can always come clean but for you, you know what's the real deal.

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Quote from: Oilacris on April 04, 2019, 03:46:47 PM

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 05, 2019, 12:03:52 AM

I still have faith in the gambling system, especially now that projects like faireum.io has revolutionized it.

Stop shilling out your faireum.io site. ~~You are spamming everywhere.~~

Really thought this was nothing more than shilling which has also gone off topic with the discussion Sad

Quote from: livingfree on April 04, 2019, 09:54:12 PM

When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

You have a good point, we cant deny that this "fake reviews" practice is happening everywhere. That's why we should not rely on reviews completely, we should be able to filter which reviews are honest and which reviews are fake. This is why this forum is very helpful, I will only trust reviews made by users with good trust or good experiences, obviously there should be valid proofs of the review as well.

So are you saying we should put a blind eye to such reviews because of the filter used or because we are loyal customers and not experiencing the bad service as others Huh

And don't you think that with the crypto ecosystem being generally unregulated, bad reviews need not to go unanswered by engaging these guys in forums they have a presence to come clean as its the only way to regulate them as their reputation is on the line if they choose to be mute..

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Quote from: Distinctin on April 08, 2019, 05:31:03 AM

There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Because that is the strategy of competition in the business field, the gambling industries now are growing populations so probably business owner has a dirty game to show up their business and make them a huge profit if they are succeeding. But in this case, let's speak people and choose whatever they want in a gambling site, they have their own decisions even how competitor destroy the image of gambling.

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There is a big competition in the market and the gambling industry is very profitable.

Some competitors played a dirty way in order to discredit other gambling sites and to attract the gamblers to join in their site.
I don't see it as a new thing in crypto, the fact that it's not regulated, or appropriate to say that most gambling sites has no license, they can play it the way they want without restriction.

It's their competition but this benefits the gamblers in the general view.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

We can't remove the fact that some sites are simply incompetent with their securities and have compromised a lot of players, and that paints a dark shade into the whole industry in general. It's a gambling site or a casino's responsibility to make sure they're secure and it's a player's responsibility to be aware of what they're doing with their money.

Ive been on the gambling scene for almost a year and two , so far i dont see a reputable gambling site that has been hacked or has a problems on their security . therfor i can honestly say that security is not what makes gambling bad but main reason why gambling gains a bad reputation from the public is that gambling are ao hard to beat . its hard to on on them because the odds and edge are too high .

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Quote from: semobo on April 07, 2019, 04:19:08 AM

give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies??

For investors or players, if they want not to give their personal information, then they will pay someone who's willing to.

For the people that belonged to the team behind the project. There were some scam project that added many people that was brought to a scam. Let's put project a as an example, project a was said to be a scam and there is a new project rising which is project ico b. In project b, there is one person that is also from project a. I just took projects/ico as an example in here since there are gambling sites undergo ICO.

But still there are a lot of gambling sites and ICOs that are real and giving their best in fulfilling promises. Like Bitvest and 777coin. I trust those two sites as I wear their signature. Bitvest and 777coin is so old in crypto that's why I can treat it as the most trusted gambling site.

I think that some gambling sites does not require you to do KYC, it's more often in joining ICO projects.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

As long as they can keep maintaining to serve the best for their member, then they don't need to worry with the fake reviews because soon or later, the fake reviews will disappear. The member will have their review about that site, and although the member doesn't say anything good about the website, I am sure that many more people will come to their site and play all of the games.

The important thing here is don't care with any issue especially with the fake news in out there because they only want to give the word "scam" to the website, but they cannot prove that it will be a scam. They only want to make people afraid to play in that site because they don't want to see the other gambling site can get more member than them.

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Quote from: semobo on April 07, 2019, 04:19:08 AM

Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

We can't remove the fact that some sites are simply incompetent with their securities and have compromised a lot of players, and that paints a dark shade into the whole industry in general. It's a gambling site or a casino's responsibility to make sure they're secure and it's a player's responsibility to be aware of what they're doing with their money.

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There have been few isolated cases when the gambling company has taken the bullet but that was when the company was in their beginning of activity, now major crypto gambling wbesites that have a solid reputation and the community loves them , it doesn't mean nothing if shills start writing negative reviews and all other bad things, the community knows them.

This has been improved now and no shill can risk a good company reputation anymore.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on April 06, 2019, 11:20:28 PM

If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

Issues can happen with any sites but what matters is they are really recify it or not,if they don't care about their reputation just continuing to make money means then it is shady gambling site to play on.

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Quote from: Dreamchaser21 on April 06, 2019, 05:28:11 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

The answer for the above rant is - Just use the gambling sites which have a reputation on this forum over-time and are more community driven than the site's administration. The problem is, people don't play on the right platforms. I can tell you the top gambling sites who don't do any KYC and respect your anonymity, they're all well established on the forum.

You made a nice suggestion which has been the thesame suggestion made by some gamblers here. The only problem with this is that new trusted gambling companies would wait to receive good feedback before they are trusted by the community and recommended to gamblers

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If the company does not do wrong then there is nothing worry about. Those negative feedbacks are worthless without basis. But, if the feedbacks had found some loopholes in a company then the companu should take it as a challenge. There is no better way of depending the company except to accept any lacks in that company and work for it. Besides, huge company does not bloom in just a seconds. It takes a year to build an empire.

This should always be remeber that being critized is a measure that the company is worth it and even acknowledge by the competitors.

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Quote from: Ucy on April 06, 2019, 09:02:17 AM

Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

Indeed, if that gambling site fails to secure the trust of every gambler then a big problem will begin to start. Having negative feedbacks from a gamblers is not good at all, i saw some gambling sites handle this properly but most of them failed to do so and that’s the biggest reason why they are slowly dying.

Without any further solutions for sure the site will die naturally, gamblers feedback if indeed a serious allegations will take more attention and trust rate of the site will fell a lot, the company needs to have and take actions for a serious long term solutions and let the public be aware of it.

It's really hard to accumulate people's trust but if the business is well good to communicate they'll be able to achieved more.

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Quote from: Dreamchaser21 on April 06, 2019, 05:28:11 PM

Quote from: Ucy on April 06, 2019, 09:02:17 AM

Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

Indeed, if that gambling site fails to secure the trust of every gambler then a big problem will begin to start. Having negative feedbacks from a gamblers is not good at all, i saw some gambling sites handle this properly but most of them failed to do so and that’s the biggest reason why they are slowly dying.

Trust is very important and having a reputable feed backs coming from gamblers will absolutely making a way to entice others. But it happens that some gambling sites turns into worst which they couldn't provide security with the players and even having a good service which definitely dragging them down and nobody would like visit their site.

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Quote from: Ucy on April 06, 2019, 09:02:17 AM

Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

Indeed, if that gambling site fails to secure the trust of every gambler then a big problem will begin to start. Having negative feedbacks from a gamblers is not good at all, i saw some gambling sites handle this properly but most of them failed to do so and that’s the biggest reason why they are slowly dying.

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Quote from: Bitinity on April 05, 2019, 12:03:52 AM

Quote from: livingfree on April 04, 2019, 09:54:12 PM

When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

You have a good point, we cant deny that this "fake reviews" practice is happening everywhere. That's why we should not rely on reviews completely, we should be able to filter which reviews are honest and which reviews are fake. This is why this forum is very helpful, I will only trust reviews made by users with good trust or good experiences, obviously there should be valid proofs of the review as well.

Yes, determining what are the honest reviews can still be done though it will take time for you to take those real and honest ones but don't let yourself catch the wrong ones. I agree that in this forum, you are likely to see very understandable, on point and honest reviews from the reputable people who have been in the industry like in gambling.

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Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

it is more like we are not up to the current situation of this market condition because everything is developed in this situation so we need to be updated with the the lots of strategies in this situation so everything is under our mind set and the situation that we are live in our society will make you the next step it will be more better than today.

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Reputation matters alot in anonymous world of cryptocurrency. May be those companies crossed the line or acted suspiciously. If most of your customers are leaving you negative feedback, there has to be something wrong somewhere and it should be quickly fixed with apologies
And companies can simply redeem their image by following the community best practices

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Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

It really is hard for the businessmen who owns he crypto gambling sites if they are in chopping boards, aside from that if some trusted members on this forums gaze upon them, one inch of a bad move would cause their business to go go down. We are not saying trusted members or people out here are bad but if the gambling company does have shady tactics or a way to cheat their customers then we and crypto society have the right to let others know, that's why with a little or tiny it of knowledge we might have we should share and justify it is correct. In that way we can avoid future deceits. Lastly I am not defending any company I am just stating we should take more precautions on reviewing gambling companies and react accordingly.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on April 05, 2019, 03:22:56 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

The answer for the above rant is - Just use the gambling sites which have a reputation on this forum over-time and are more community driven than the site's administration. The problem is, people don't play on the right platforms. I can tell you the top gambling sites who don't do any KYC and respect your anonymity, they're all well established on the forum.

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2019, 06:27:39 AM

There will always be false reviews just to pretend that the company was making a great thing for their customer. But in the end, the good customer will know that is a fake review. Besides that, if the companies want to make a competition, the good company will always be the winner, and they don't make a mistake by making a false review or anything that could lead them to lose the customer.

The customer cannot make in any mistake (and if they are already made a mistake) the company will tell the situations with the details explanation, and if the customer can know and understand what the mistake is, I am sure that they will admit that they are making a mistake and not the company.

The customer will protect these companies by making the right review and honest. They will support the company if the company is right and still making good things to the customer. And related to the gambling industry, there will always be a bad and good inside the gambling business and only the right company that will survive and could gain more customer because they are very recommended and have a good reputation among the others.

Fake reviews are everywhere. Most of the paid listing sites do that in favor of their clients.
But the real gamer knows the real deal. They will try it for themselves and verify if the claims are true or not.
And he will check for legit feedbacks from fellow gamers. In time, we will know who is saying the truth.
Actual experience also will testify what is really going on in that gambling site. Just test it with small amount and see for yourself.

That is very true. The gamblers will not always believe with the gambling website before they can try by themselves. They need to check the website, search for the truth and if he found that the gambling website is legit, then he will use it as his place to gamble.

The first thing that we must check is their deposit and withdraw because that will be the main thing that every gambler wants to do after they win the game. If they don't have a problem with deposit and withdraw, then they can continue to gamble and do another withdraw for their win money.

Only with the checking for every gambling website, we can eliminate the fake reviews, and we could know what gambling website which is legit and which is not. That is a must thing that gamblers to do before they deposit in large money or withdraw large money.

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Gambling sites will always be there. We have to expect that gambling is seen as wrong stuff but you don't have to worry about it then.
Imagine you own a company, what should you do to own profits? Strategies. Fake reviews, fake users and fake winning rate are the strategies that were proven and effective to catch people and earn profits. If it's a false accusation, nothing will be held. You can still keep what you have and that is the end of the story.

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They would probably protect themselves. And also the community which uses their services if they did really good. Well, that is business, sometimes business will need to bow down to customers. But in the end it is still the customers' money that they wanted and they will get.

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Thinking that the customer is always right is just like saying you are not adapting to change. In our current generation today, it's like a false saying because people have become arrogant towards and took advantage of that. Being humble should be the right attitude and not thinking about just because you are a customer; you are always right.

The current situation of the casinos are not any of our concern unless you own one, you should be taking care of it. I'm just saying that it's better to focus on other things that you could do something about not something you could talk about and not follow through.

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Quote from: jvdp on April 04, 2019, 05:01:22 PM

It is not bad faith and all we may consider it as bad understanding over gambling investment and way of approaching. Plenty of gambling investors still available to make their fund on gambling and loose the money without proper knowledge on games.
KYC things and restrictions notice were poped up on site they may pin the VPN and using it who knows.

I am also more directed to it, not a non-trusting company or a fake identity, but rather to the company that knows its customers, and maybe they give a limit to each customer, for example multiple accounts are prohibited. this is not a bad thing, and kyc can still be accepted.

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2019, 06:27:39 AM

Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

It's different. Every case is unique.

Fake reviews and shilling are part of the industry. Bad PR is nothing new really but there's a way to not get confused by it.
When you go online you're bombarded with information good and bad, real and fake. You have to learn to trust only verified information and do the work to check every bit yourself before you believe it.

When I see advertising I check it if it's real and not fake. Fake advertising is shilling and you can really notice it if you try
When I see scam accusations I also look for proof to confirm it.

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There will always be false reviews just to pretend that the company was making a great thing for their customer. But in the end, the good customer will know that is a fake review. Besides that, if the companies want to make a competition, the good company will always be the winner, and they don't make a mistake by making a false review or anything that could lead them to lose the customer.

The customer cannot make in any mistake (and if they are already made a mistake) the company will tell the situations with the details explanation, and if the customer can know and understand what the mistake is, I am sure that they will admit that they are making a mistake and not the company.

The customer will protect these companies by making the right review and honest. They will support the company if the company is right and still making good things to the customer. And related to the gambling industry, there will always be a bad and good inside the gambling business and only the right company that will survive and could gain more customer because they are very recommended and have a good reputation among the others.

Fake reviews are everywhere. Most of the paid listing sites do that in favor of their clients.
But the real gamer knows the real deal. They will try it for themselves and verify if the claims are true or not.
And he will check for legit feedbacks from fellow gamers. In time, we will know who is saying the truth.
Actual experience also will testify what is really going on in that gambling site. Just test it with small amount and see for yourself.

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I still have faith in the gambling system, especially now that projects like faireum.io has revolutionized it.

I have faith in gambling industry and it is highly important we are able to keep faith with the blockchain related one. I find it very difficult to said anything negative against any gambling project that has cryptocurrencies relationship. We should no that investments in trading and gambling entails alot of FOMO and that is why we should takes responsibility for our actions on cryptocurrencies.

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Without the trust we cannot survive here in gambling and is the income only came along with your luck and the trust based system so it can be important to be faith among the the gambling sites and also the profit that we can be we made by ourselves in this field.

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People have always viewed gambling with negative perceptions and at that either the mistake come from them they always pass the blame to the casino I don't know why, ever since the arrival of cryptocurrency gambling they have eradicated the traditional casino houses that always place lots of restrictions on participation and location problem but that is a thing of the past now it great to see more gambling sites coming up and with incredible features.

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There will always be false reviews just to pretend that the company was making a great thing for their customer. But in the end, the good customer will know that is a fake review. Besides that, if the companies want to make a competition, the good company will always be the winner, and they don't make a mistake by making a false review or anything that could lead them to lose the customer.

The customer cannot make in any mistake (and if they are already made a mistake) the company will tell the situations with the details explanation, and if the customer can know and understand what the mistake is, I am sure that they will admit that they are making a mistake and not the company.

The customer will protect these companies by making the right review and honest. They will support the company if the company is right and still making good things to the customer. And related to the gambling industry, there will always be a bad and good inside the gambling business and only the right company that will survive and could gain more customer because they are very recommended and have a good reputation among the others.

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But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies??

Yes, there are people who are paid a big amount of money to do a review and make the site look good or not, especially the well-known review site.

Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable?

Every business that you know has this motto, but there is some extent that business has the right to refuse a customer.

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In business, there are always competitions in each company and gambling is a sort of business. Correct, they are spreading bad faith in gambling system because they know that this industry will get more profit from the investors. Of course, we can't deny the fact that it is possible to happen that black propaganda was always there to destroy the reputation in the gambling system. But I won't listen to them even others if they know how gambling works.

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Quote from: livingfree on April 04, 2019, 09:54:12 PM

Ever since crypto gambling came alive, many of us have enjoyed these services without the need of know your customer aka KYC and avoided any territorial restrictions that come with most of our fiat casino and sports books. But what am really interested to learn about this industry...is do we have users, shills or competitors that are in it to give false reviews or generally bad press in the name of discrediting these companies?? I don't know about you guys but I have seen many crypto companies being put on the chopping board even when we customer's/players are in the wrong but still the company has to take the bullet and put it's reputation on the line....Are these business practices of saying the customer is always right justifiable? And who protects these companies if reputation is gold in the crypto world??

There are some crypto gambling sites using shill to show that they are also a trusted site but if you spand 10 or more minutes on google about researching a gambling site you can find the actual review about the site so they are not a big threat to the reputation of gambling site.Don't just blindly play on any gambling sites just read few reviews from different sources.

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It's with the house/gambling site to prove it wrong, and coming out from that type of bad publicity will bring them more be trusted, how they handle this type of issue can bring them much stronger business, we can't deny it that there's really competitors that will try to make the site looks bad, though it will be hard to prove it but in some cases it's really happened.

Reputable gambling business got established with same fate, they just got a good solutions that's why gamblers still using their services.

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Fake reviews were quite common. This can be seen with everywhere, even with reputed networks this can be seen. It is a kind of marketing tool that's been used to make them listed top on the specific service rendering. Till date gambling network with cryptocurrency isn't that untrusty. As gambling industry has contributed big to the growth of bitcoin, the ecosystem is highly recommended from my view.

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I wouldn't say it's normal, but it's been practice not just in gambling industry, but almost business when there is a stiff and cut-throat competition. So I don't rely on reviews, but I closely watch the gambling site or the gamblers response to that particular site. Maybe if someone trusted or reputable here reported that he didn't have a good experience on that website, so that's a red flag already.

Perhaps you can also try it for yourself, and see the experience, if it's true or not. It's a fraudulent practice, I agree, so not only in investing we need to investigate, we also need to dig deeper on gambling sites that we wanted to play our money with.

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When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

You have a good point, we cant deny that this "fake reviews" practice is happening everywhere. That's why we should not rely on reviews completely, we should be able to filter which reviews are honest and which reviews are fake. This is why this forum is very helpful, I will only trust reviews made by users with good trust or good experiences, obviously there should be valid proofs of the review as well.

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If it is false accusations then it won't hold anything right?

The casino that's been put into the spotlight will have nothing to lose since it's a fake review and fake accusations. They can simply put all the proof out and it's up to the gaming public which one to believed.

You will noticed that there are accusations around the forum, again, if it's baseless, that thread will simply die and be forgotten because gamblers are also smart people, they don't just listen to anyone, specially if they smell something fishy or the real motive of the accuser.

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When there's a competition, it's part of it. It's not just about gambling and casino's but in any industry, you see reviews that are being published to give bad publicity to reduce their customers pool. There's some reviews too that has a main thing to do but to give good reviews. Every company is open for critic but those reviews that's giving them bad impression intentionally is a desperate move from their competitors. And if you're worried about protecting them, don't worry customers who are loyal to their casino and experiences heaven will not listen to hearsays.

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Business is business and a company will do anything to profit including posting fake reviews, fake subscribers etc. We still dont know if thats real or just spreading fake news again but i still trust the gambling system. Black propagandas are everywhere.

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It is not bad faith and all we may consider it as bad understanding over gambling investment and way of approaching. Plenty of gambling investors still available to make their fund on gambling and loose the money without proper knowledge on games.
KYC things and restrictions notice were poped up on site they may pin the VPN and using it who knows.

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Gambling sites would be put up on chopping boards if those shilling,false reviews and issues are being proven yet the community would really make such move for
the site to be sued on what they have done but in terms of countries jurisdiction these gambling sites doesnt really have the problem if they arent committing serious
shady acts.