Topic: Bad omens over Syria's future (Read 330 times)

His old friends who claimed to be allied with the Syrian state abandoned him, only to find out now that they were only temporarily allied with the regime to serve their common interests. Once that interest ended, everything fell apart very quickly.

I am surprised by the position of some who believed and still believe that the regime stands in the resistance alliance to the Zionist project, and who exploited this pretext to remain in power for more than sixty years without directing its weapons at the supposed first enemy, "Israel". Instead, we saw him excel at suppressing the uprisings against him (I do not mean here the extremist militias) and he is accused of killing hundreds of thousands of Syrians. There are those who cry over the situation in Syria after the fall of the regime as if the regime was the one who was sponsoring it, while it is involved in other agendas with international parties that succeeded in avoiding the conflict on their lands to turn it into Syria.

That's the problem with believing propaganda. You analyze everything based on lies.

Syria is an independent country that has an alliance with Iran. It is not Iran's proxy, regional arm or whatever. Years ago when US-ISIS coalition had taken more than 85% of the country and the capital was about to fall, the Syrian government officially asked for help from Iran so Iran helped them and after the ISIS coalition was defeated and dismantled, Iran withdrew. The only Iranians inside Syria were diplomats (in the embassy), businessmen doing trades and stuff, and a handful of consultants.

In other words there were 0 Iranian forces in Syria to want to withdraw this month when US-backed terrorists attacked Syria once again. Haven't you ever wondered why there were lots of Russian casualties but zero Iranian casualty on the day the terrorists attacked Halab and other provinces?

Iran was ready to deploy forces and destroy the al-Qaeda terrorists once more but that request never came this time around, so there was no deployment.

P.S. Need I point out the absurdity of talking about other stuff while the Zionist occupiers of Palestine are occupying more of Syrian soil?

Assad was a vicious war criminal, but he should've stayed and fought until the end like any leader would.

But instead, he cowardly fled to Russia, and left his people behind.

I was surprised that discussions that focus on the recent events in Syria do not mention Iran, nor has Iran issued influential positions to explain its position on what is happening in Syria after Bashar al-Assad fled.

In a statement by the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard yesterday, Thursday, Hossein Salami said that Iran has been aware of the movements of the fighters since the beginning of the recent protests and that Iranian intelligence has informed the Syrians of this, but it seems that they did not show any response. The same source confirmed that the Iranian forces were the last to leave the fighting front in Syria and that they could not have intervened at the same time that the Syrian army withdrew from the areas it controlled without a fight.

I find it strange how Iran withdrew from its positions so easily at the same time that reports indicate facilitating the withdrawal of more than 4,000 Iranian forces from Syria, thus ending the Iranian presence completely in Syria. I find that these events raise deep questions about the reality of events and whether what happened recently is a natural course of events that negates any opinions confirming the conspiracy theory shared by all parties contributing to the crisis in the region, or whether Iran is to this extent weak in defending its regional arms that guarantee it geopolitical influence.

What do you say about Christianity and the Christian leaning nations? I see the same shit all over. In the last few centuries, they have also invaded and killed masses in the name of looking for WMDs. The Christian leaning nations also participated in mass colonization, looting, murder and slave trade. What is funny is that the murderers and looters moved along with the missionaries. So what are you talking about 

They will disintegrate, I believe, divide and conquer is called

Time will tell, it's too early to tell now.

A couple of years ago in an act of desperation, Bashar al-Assad started trying to "normalize" relations with the Arab dictators who have been occupying his country and supporting various terrorist organizations that waged the dirty war in Syria in previous years.
Those Arab dictators (specifically the Saudis and the Emiratis) took that opportunity to fool him. They promised him investment which would have saved the Syrian destroyed economy if it actually happened. But they had demands like shutting down the Yemeni embassy, to distance Syria from Iran (the same Iran that fought their terrorists and defeated them). And their worst demand was to allow them to open up "religious schools" in Syria. These are known places where they spread their Salafi/Takfiri ideology that creates the radical terrorists we see as members of ISIS/al-Qaeda and in the al-Golani army of terrorists that now control Syria.

Assad, not having any other choice, accepted their demands but Syria never saw a dime.

Iran's intelligence community had already warned him many times about the dangers of what he was doing over the past years. He was warned about the terrorist build up in Idlib. You didn't even have to be an intelligence officer to see that last part!
He ignored those warnings because (in my opinion) he had no choice and was hoping for some economic relief for his country. And the promises looked appealing even though they were empty promises.

Some of these warnings are behind closed doors and we are just hearing about them. But many were made publicly and the news came out at the time. For instance the most significant example is from more than 6 months ago on Thursday, May 30, 2024 when Assad came to Iran to participate in the funeral of the Iranian president, he met with the leader of Iran and he was warned directly then.
https://farsi.khamenei.ir/news-content?id=56576 (4th paragraph is clear: "promises they'll never fulfill").

For many years Iran told him to sit with the opposition (not the terrorists) and let them participate in the governance and most importantly warned him of the corruption in the ranks. But he never listened and we saw how for example his generals were betraying Syria by disobeying the orders coming from the capital and issuing retreat orders so that the terrorists would take over more and more cities without any resistance.
Otherwise as Iranian foreign minster said at the time https://fa.alalam.ir/news/7090943/ Iran was ready to deploy troops and crush the al-Qaeda terrorists which would have been the easiest thing to do ONLY if officially asked and ONLY if Syrian military actually stood and fought.

Nobody can save people who don't want to be saved.

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As for Russia, they were brought in by Iran only to create a balance so that a nuclear power (Russia) provides air-support to counter another nuclear power (US) that was providing air-support for ISIS at the time.
Russians only came in to have one foot in the Mediterranean sea (The two ports they haven't evacuated yet). They don't care about much else.

In general, Trump will reconcile everyone and besiege those who are insolent

Sorry for the mistake. I got the information mixed up. I meant the occupied Syrian Golan Heights and not the Lebanese Shebaa Farms.

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The Israeli raids targeting military sites in Syria carry a clear message that the military infrastructure was safe when it was under the control of Bashar and his father Hafez al-Assad because it was never directed at Israel. Now it is being targeted by Israel so that it cannot be used against it. An Israeli army spokesman stated that 250 military sites were targeted in one of the largest offensive operations in the history of the Israeli Air Force.
Targeting Syrian military capabilities is not only related to maintaining Israel's security, as the occupation says, but also to seeking to prevent the Syrians from possessing any weapon, whether offensive or defensive. This coincides with Israel's occupation of the buffer zone between the two countries under the pretext of carrying out preemptive defenses against potential attacks.

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All this that is happening is taking place with undeclared Russian blessing because Russia, which for years has been claiming to protect Syria from partition and settlement plans, has proven today that it was only an ally of the regime within the framework of a geopolitical conflict with the West, and that this support has ended without the regime itself knowing anything. Yesterday I read that the activities of Bashar's family in Russia were restricted after they were granted asylum, including not discussing anything related to politics and not moving around without a Russian permit, while there is news that Bashar's wife has filed for divorce and requested asylum in Britain.

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I will not talk about Iran this time so that you do not accuse me of bias or being influenced by the Western media. But I am surprised by its complete absence from the Syrian scene. Is it because its intelligence could not discover what would happen in time? Or because it is participating in the plan to change the regime in Syria, in response to the Russian position?

Those lands belong to Lebanon not Syria for Syrian forces to try to get them back!

No my friend, the Zionist colonizers are doing what they've always planned on doing which is to occupy more land. The Syrian military capabilities, despite being small, were stopping them as long as there was a central government in Syria. This is why Syria has been battered with a dirty war over the past decade or so. And finally the US regime that wanted to provide some breathing room for its Zionist allies who are tired of carrying out genocide in Gaza activated its proxies. Namely the terrorist groups that have branched out of al-Qaeda and ISIS to take over Syria.

Of course in order to distract the naïve population, they have to distract them and justify their atrocities with the type of nonsense you are repeating about Iran.
It is easy to know that it is nonsense too. What the Israeli terrorists are destroying is only useful for a Syrian government not for anyone else.
Things including their ports that the government is going to need to receive shipments like grain to feed its people.
Like radar stations that are there to provide that government with capability to monitor its own skies and defend its people.
Like their fighter jets that they have been buying over the years spending billions in order to have some air capabilities.
and more...

Not to mention that all the arms Iran and its allies have are self made. From the sophisticated stealth reconnaissance drone Hodhod that Lebanese forces use all the way to the unique long range tactical hypersonic ballistic missile called Palestine 2 used by Yemen is produced by those people inside their countries to defend against the Israeli terrorists.

The problems of Syria have always only been the following:

• Country being under control of old ISIS/al-Qaeda members that US propaganda loves to introduce as "liberators".
• Zionists bombing every civilian and military infrastructure of Syria.
• Zionists occupying Golan heights and advancing every day taking more of Syrian soil.
• Erdogan claiming that a large part of Syrian soil belongs to Turkey and he is coming in to occupy and annex them.
• Erdogan continuing to build more dams over the rivers that go into Syria causing a water crisis that led to 8 million Syrians losing their jobs
• US regime that has been occupying Syrian soil for over a decade, specifically their oil and gas resources stealing them causing an economic crisis.
• US regime having control over the only viable agricultural lands that can be used to produce anything in the country.

You don't see anybody talk about any of these topics though. That's because everybody follows the Western mouthpieces that tell them the Zionist propaganda blaming Iran that was only in Syria at the invitation of the Syrians to help them fight and defeat the US-backed ISIS or Da'esh that had invaded their country and was cutting people's heads off.

Israel's move in parallel with the fall of the regime to strike ammunition and weapons stores is not intended to weaken the capabilities of the Syrian army, which has never posed a threat to Israel's security, has never dared to fire a single bullet at it, or even tried to reclaim the occupied territories in the Shebaa Farms. Israel is bombing the stores so that no party would think of using them, including Iran, which could steal those stores or direct them to support armed groups loyal to it. After the fall of the regime, chaos could reach those stores and we could return to armed conflict again, which no party wants. When I say any party, this also includes Turkey and Russia, which seem to have allied themselves to distance the Assad family and for Syria to be free from Iran, which would completely stop support for Hezbollah and Hamas.

The first victims of the fall of the regime will be the Kurds, who are only supported by America, which may not continue to support them within the framework of an international deal with Turkey. It would be better for them to return to the national map because they have become completely besieged between Turkey, which seeks to annihilate them, and the new regime in Syria, which intends to reunite the entire country. This plan falls within the policy of avoiding division and preserving the unity of Syrian territory.

Syria would not have the problems it has today if Israel and the United States weren’t funding, arming, and training terrorist organizations to overthrow their secular government. There are Islamic majority countries that aren’t facing such catastrophe. If you want prosperity in the region, foreign nations need to stop trying to impose their dominance through violence and destabilization.

Thought they are nations in which Islam is the religion of the majority of the population of even the official religion of the state, for example Saudi Arabia or Indonesia, and those are countries which are not aggressive against the interest of the United States in the Middle east or in the Pacific Ocean. By itself, a nation having a Muslim majority does not mean the nation is going to suffer from societal or economical collapse at all, it just means people who does not adhere to islam will suffer negative consequences in such society, and even those who adhere but happen to be women, also live in disadvantage. it was not long ago women in Islamic countries were not allowed to drive cars by themselves and I still believe they cannot go outside of their homes without having a male family member scorting them.
But still, having a different religion in a country does not automatically translate that country is going to become a mess or disrupted by civil wars like happened in Syria.

It's about Islam. Islam is a great religion for Muslims, but Islam forces death and destruction for everybody else.

If you want to be free, somehow get rid of Islam in the nations.

The excuse most of these nations are giving is that it was Bashar al-Assad who made the people to flee from Syria. So they should go back since Assad has been sent packing. They want Syrians to go or stay back in a country they have handed over to unqualified rulers. If I were a Syrian refugee in any Western country, I wouldn't consider going back until there is a stable democratic government.

Yeah, too early but from History, there seems to be a certain pattern when it comes to politicians or rulers. This gif best describes it


When people bring down one dictator, the raise up another one.

The thing about most people, when given power, is that they become something else. They turn from leaders into rulers, and anyone that dear tries to advise them or oppose them becomes an enemy that must be punished or exterminated.

It's too early to judge what kind of order there will be, it's just that one regime has replaced another.

The regime in Syria derived its strength from external alliances and not from popular support, and throughout the Baath Party’s rule it excelled in suppressing the opposition and persecuting any free voice. It was unfortunate to read in modern history that Syria supported the war on Iraq, resisted the Kurdish liberation movement, and suppressed tens of thousands of Syrians in Hama in 1982, but did not dare to fire a single bullet against neighboring Israel. The army’s mechanisms were directing their bombs and missiles at the uprising Syrian cities before the popular uprising turned into an armed rebellion led by extremists targeting all components of Syria, i.e. the regime, the people, and other resistance movements. I do not think that any of us will forget the massacres committed by the regime in Syria against the Syrian people. Now the crisis has begun to repeat itself with the vacuum left by the Assad regime in power, opening the door to all those who want power, including an opposition that is a client of external forces or extremist militias according to the classification of the international community. I believe that the Syrian people will not experience stability quickly and easily as some may think, and we may move from a bad crisis to a worse crisis.

Sometimes the community has no choice knowing that almost all the rulers behave the same after a certain point, so they try to choose the "better devil"
The overthrown chap also did a lot of evil against his very own people, from bombings, massacres to unfair incarceration of most people who tried to oppose him

That is the west already showing/taking sides  

Until the west keeps away from the internal businesses of other countries, We may see another world war in the near future.

Funny, countries started banning applications of Syrian refugees. Syria is still at war and there are several factions and states pouring their arms to battle over total conquest. The war is dar from over and a formal government being formed democratically is far far from reality for Syria. The future does not seem bright.

So why stop accepting refugees before the dust settles?

It's so erratic how the west handles this situation in my opinion. No end in sight, really.

Syria will be protected short-term and probably longer from those issues, and even gain greater strength (greater than Turkey and many states in EU) as long as she isn't against Russia, and to some extent Trump's regime. And must not work against Israel.
She is free not to support any evil deed of Israel, Russia and Trump's regime.

This is worrying, this leadership overthrow will certainly be infiltrated by foreign parties, always like that like Muamar Gaddafi as you said and it is very alarming.
Before choosing a new regime the community needs to see who the candidates and backgrounds of their new leaders are, what are the real interests brought, do not be consumed by masks, because the poor national situation with the ongoing conflict will be a lot of threatening from the outside or from inside.

I hope they are fine and do not do carelessness like what is faced by Libya.

As long as the greed for power, weapons and self-esteem remain among the people, the people of the country will be oppressed, especially Syria, which has regained its independence. This may be good for the oppressed people. But no leader or minister and no person in the country's government cares about the plight and oppression of the people, because all those people are asleep in power.
However, at present, the people of Syria have overthrown Bashar al-Assad, but the people of Syria must remember that various powerful external forces may appear before them with their interests, and the people need to know how to fight for themselves without caring about these forces.

A local proverb in my tribe says, "No matter how hard the leopard washes itself it cannot remove its spots". Regardless of how Islamist group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham tries to rebrand itself, it is still a terrorist organization. Members have stopped wearing the turban for military uniform, but it is difficult to change from an ideology infused via strong indoctrination. Very soon women will be chased out of schools and citizens will be forced to accept the Islamic teachings of radicals.

The West knows that this set of people cannot be tamed. But because they wanted to hurt Iran and Russia and steal lands, they decided to compromise the destiny of 22.13 million people. After making a mess of the country, these powerful nations will block their borders to avoid accepting refugees just as they did in Iraq and Libya.       

If what you're saying happens that means that the Syrian people will be going from frying pan to fire, from the hands of a dictator to perhaps something worse. It's sad that these developed countries indirectly dictates what happens in underdeveloped countries and that is how it has always been, from colonialism to indirect control of who leads the countries. Most of these leaders in underdeveloped countries that are not democratic are still in power because it benefits the big brother countries, when they fall out of favor with the big brother, their removals will be plotted, this is the way I see it. That is the reason why you'll never see meaningful developments in countries like Syria, and the African continent because it won't be in the favor of the developed economies.

Assad, like Putin, screwed up his rating for which he paid the price.

I think Syria will live better with the opposition.

For the bloodshed in Syria to end a miracle would be needed at this point.
The west hasn't shed a single tear for Israel's illegal settlement or for Turkey's military campaign against the Kurds.
No one is speaking for Kurdish or Syrian rights these days. All the media cares about is what Assad is doing and how he lost power.

The people of Syria couldn't care less about Assad's current whereabouts when it's their future that is at stake.
They've gone through so many years of insecurity and aggression imposed upon them, the only thing they would need is peace.
And being realistic, it's very unlikely that a group lead by an ISIS affiliate is going to provide that.



Let us observe how the US was labeling the leader of the "rebel group" a few years ago.
The future in Syria now is more uncertain than ever. And let's not be mistaken that the west collectively bears a lot of the responsibility of armaments being gathered in the region. Wouldn't it have been expected that these would have been later used by some of the bad guys?

But now the bad guys have somehow been labelled as the good guys? Maybe it's the west trying to save face after total failure, maybe it'sthe fact that they've gotten reassurances from the people they would call terrorists so they don't care. We'll soon find out. Eyes on the oil and we'll find out.

To be honest, I did not expect to see the dictator and his family to shifty leave the country, I thought they were going to defend it against the rebels in Syria whatever it could have taken, but I guess I was wrong...
I agree with you on the global powers of the United States and the European Union having their own plans to push forward with the new administration which could take place now the regime seems to be changing. Israel taking more land is not surprising at all, they assume the new Syrian administration is going to be pro-USa and pro Israel, so they will be willing to concede those territorial changes for Israel, in exchange of a relatively fragile peace with their neighbor.

Still, the civil war could be far from over, the head of the state of the country may be in Russia but still continue to give orders and still has the backing of Putin and his mercenaries to do their bidding.

Technically, they can be both rebels and terrorist. Just one thing, the US supports mostly the Kurds (called Democratic Forces or the like). I think it is in the interest of the US and also the new government to find some way of working together - government makes strange bed partners.

The same people who labelled them terrorists have now changed their name to rebels. This is to show us the level of hypocrisy that exist in this world. Because they want to control Syria by all means so they decided to form alliance with people who committed one of the biggest crime in the US (9/11). The celebration of the people of Syria might be short-lived because their assumption that they have gained freedom might be wrong. Maybe they have entered into a more terrible bondage. I am sure that most people who celebrated the killing of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi are highly disappointed today. Many of them will wish that these men became life presidents.

So long as we still have guns, weapons of mass destruction, greedy politicians who are drunk in power etc, the chaos will always be there. For now, I think the plight of the masses is much more important. The people need how to learn to fight for themselves without calling onto the support of external forces who may come in with different interests.

The US and EU pretend as though colonialism and invasions are things of the past, but this is happening every day and until they stop interfering with affairs of different "sovereign" states, then maybe we could never see a much better world.

Isn't it funny how US media is calling the jihadists that did away with Assad now "rebels" and not terrorists or militia?
The EU seeming all so eager to cooperate with the new Syrian powers that be.
On the first day of Assad leaving the country Israel seized even more land above the Golan heights.
And surely Turkey will gladly continue its massacre against Kurds in north Syria.

All these imperial powers that illegally occupy Syrian lands at the moment don't seem to mind the regime change at all.

All these are incredibly bad omens for Syria's future. Don't forget that NATO's involvement which eventually lead to the capture and killing of Gaddafi, eventually lead Lybia into absolute chaos. Now the EU funds literall terror groups to keep the migrants at bay, perpetuating a vicious cycle of violence and societal collapse.

Make no mistake, Syria will be no different. When you see the US and EU supporting a regime change, a country is very likely to be plundged in chaos even worse than before.