Topic: [Ban Appeal] bill gator (Read 2817 times)

Feels good to be back; thank you theymos.


I wish your principles were consistent even half of the time.


Always convenient, never consistent.


Interesting how that one turned out, right? Unless I'm understanding this incorrectly, iluvbitcoins also bought their account - except they bought it as a legendary, with trust-feedback years after I did. I'm convinced I have that story wrong though, because the actions of certain members are contradictory when comparing my situation and iluvbitcoins - please correct me where I'm wrong.

Thank you for not being one of the weak-spined muppets that dances to the bullets at their feet.


Yet here we are.


No, I made the situation transparent and allowed the proper people to make the call.


Sorry QS, this time around, it really was me explaining my situation. You'll get em next time, though!


Anyone else as excited for me to be back as I am?


You're entitled to your opinion, but from the way you articulated that it sounds like you would be more supportive of my judgement if I silently accepted the punishment for a crime I didn't commit rather than explaining what actually happened and accepting what will come from my true actions.


Statements like this are surprising to hear from someone you considered a friend.

Now that my ban is lifted, it would seem the next objective is to appeal for consistency within the DT network; either tag all of us bought accounts, set a statute of limitations, or at least stop being so obvious when you play favorites.

Appeal successful, locking thread.

I kinda agree especially given the circumstances of the reputation of his account now. I totally understand theymos is doing what he feels is right and punishing someone for something they didn't do is wrong, but 60 days isn't long to wait and he can't really monetise his signature for much if at all now so whether he has one or not makes little difference, but it opens up a whole new can of worms. As theymos stated, people will now run with this "bought account" excuse. In fact, there's probably lots of bought accounts that were farmed in this way that are now more notable members. For all the problems this is likely going to cause I think it would have been best to just let the ban run, especially if looking into these cases by admins in detail isn't going to be commonplace as a whole lot of people are probably not going to get the same lenience or fairness.


But if it's only going to be once in a blue moon it'll be unfair to all the other cases that don't ever get looked into.


It shouldn't 'ease up' and should continue doing what it's doing, but discussing how we deal and punish 'historic' cases can certainly be up for debate. Sometimes I do feel it's harsh giving a year ban for one plagiarism made years ago, but the extent of their plagiarism may never be fully detected. I'm sure there's been a hell of a lot of people cleaning out their accounts of any posts they likely didn't make but to find them all amongst thousands would be very difficult. The bot won't find everything either, and I'm not sure how well it finds word spinners etc if at all.

theymos has very straight and confident approach when he solves case manually, even handle case manually requires lot of time and flexible treatments, that might cause controversy in the forum. As a core approach of theymos, it is likely that only users that have good reputation, and good net-effects deserve his time to handle manually when serious accusation pops up.

Glad to see theymos's action here. It does show that there are still people looking over cases and reviewing the circumstances; much to the dismay of most of the complaints out there. The rest is for the "Trust" network to sort out for itself.

I don't agree with easing up on what the Bot is searching. If someone made the one mistake years ago, then they are receiving leniency, we've seen it for so many people now. If it's happening now instead of 4 or 5 years ago, probably better for them; as it's not a permaban. Had it happened then they would be Ban evading and there is no case for them to complain if they get caught. Anyone receiving these bans should just serve the time and wear the signature with gratitude, for their second chance.

Edit: I said this elsewhere and sums up my feelings fairly well.

@theymos you know though your intervention on this particular issue will only make things worst. The account is already destroy with red tags and he has already lost his spot on the chipmixer campaign. Don't see how benefits the ban lifting was to him and this will only stir another reputed veteran argument on Reputation board well I'm keeping my popcorn ready for this one. Off to reputation board.

My thoughts, you'll have used this case as a perfect example to pass a message that buying of account is discourage and plagiarism is unexcusable by allowing him to serve his 60days temp ban and unban his signature privilege after then for the reason you stated above. Well you know what's best for the forum so kudos.

And there you have it!

How do you feel about the idea of statutes of limitations on plagiarism cases? I think punishing somebody for a one-off offense done years ago (talking like 3 or more years ago) is a bit too stringent and the current plagiabot running around is a bit out of hand, leading to the banning of people for a mistake committed in 2014. Maybe the query or the rule should be tightened a bit. Just my opinion.

This is part of why account trading is strongly discouraged. Usually we won't even consider this excuse, since only admins can properly investigate it, it takes too much time, it's often too ambiguous, and you really shouldn't be trading accounts anyway. But especially for very veteran members, we do occasionally look into these claims and reconsider the matter based on them. This isn't the first case like this: there are a surprising number of notable members who originally bought their accounts.

After looking at the logs, I find it likely that this story is true, so it wasn't him personally who did the plagiarism. Trading accounts is strongly discouraged, but not against the rules. Therefore, the ban is removed.

This action may be controversial, and now I'll probably have everyone appealing based on "I bought the account from my neighbor!" (Which I'll nearly always reject...) But even though it is largely bill gator's fault, I just find it on the whole too unfair to treat him as though he did something when I'm looking at evidence showing that he didn't.

Well, have a look at that... Look whose talking about UNDESERVING. You may lick the foxhole if you want some Merits, not the majority of the public cares about what's going on about Bill's  account, they do more care about Bitcoins rather than this shitty whole thing about a plagiarized contents which the OP believes he doesn't did that.

Just STFU, and live your life into the shadows, you're also being one of the cunts that Thule's running along side him.

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Atleast these members that you're pointing as DT-wannabes isn't involved with shady businesses like selling accounts and having an involvement with scammers.

A lot of ass kissing between DT-wannabes and DT members in this thread. A lot of merited posts which do not deserve merits between each other. Sounds just like the communist regime I described a few pages earlier, not that I care at all about what happens here anymore just making people see what is really happening.

If embracing a QS conspiracy theory is the last move he has to make it would be sad indeed...  That being said nothing would surprise me at this point and he has nothing really left to lose.

Anyone else getting a feeling that 60 days later bill gator may try to tell us that it wasn't him who posted this appeal that backfired on him, and that he didn't actually purchase the account

With regards to not knowing to check for plagiarism in 2015, I get where you are coming from, but I think thats just one of the risks of buying a used account. If a scammer sold their account before the scam accusation was made public, the new owner would get a raw deal from buying the account. I'd essentially equate it to Bill getting scammed by the account farmer, again assuming the story is true. There isn't really a way for the forum to handle it, rather than just saying, hey that sucks. I'm assuming you've read at least a handful of ban appeals where the people claim to have never done anything wrong, outraged about their false accusation, only to have someone skim through their posts, quote what got them banned, and then they go silent. Imagine what the hundreds of accounts banned for plagiarism would try if there was an inch to give regarding responsibility for actions made by an account.

My personal opinion assuming that there was a single case of plagiarism and we aren't all looking past another 15 offenses that weren't made public, is that the sig ban should stay in place and the 60 day ban should be removed. That said, with the people that are having their permabans removed, aren't they getting off with just signature bans? That leads me to believe there may be more going on than we see. Its tough to compare the punishment from 2015 to now. Sig spammers that plagiarized in 2015 just got nuked, but thats also because there weren't higher ranked members that plagiarized.

If we make assumption that Bill is telling the truth, he would know that plagiarism could have happened before November 07 (another assumption is that Bill didn't c/p anything after Nov.)

There are only 100 posts before Nov 07, it wouldn't be so hard for them to check post history of previous owner and to assume that they are banned because of that post. But that is really strange. I went to see first page of account's post history and it took me exactly 1 minute to find this:



Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/harrypotter/comments/1c5iwz/lord_of_the_rings_vs_harry_potter/


Post #7:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2i7pbe/ebola_something_that_isnt_adding_up/


On the same page (#1):

Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mcxnow-scam-or-not-293432



https://www.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/2jit12/i_deleted_him_after_this/
Not sure about source of that source.



Not sure who is source, anyway, it was posted here (connection is not secure) https://www.wackbag.com/threads/breaking-777-crashes-on-russian-border.157764/page-4


Maybe Bill looked for plagiarism from Nov 07 backwards? Well, anyway, I don't see anyone came here to say OP is not Bill except you, so we can also do it your way and assume that "you know the truth" because "you are Bill" and OP is person or bot who reported Bill.

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I don't think you are being honest here.

And, as I can see you have bought account to join bitmixer's signature campaign:


So I call this one big BS:
Mr. Fake Bill probably meant to say that they fell in love with bitmixer's signature campaign and only problem was - ranking up speed.

LOL at snitchmoon and lauda the liar here.  Talking about lies and logic??

1. Lauda has been found guilty of lying for financial reward (scamming) probable extortion, shady escrow, trust abuse... and yet suchmoron has NO PROBLEM trusting them and including them on DT1. Anything that comes from its slobbering chops is questionable.

Suchmoon is the front man/bbw for this lauda/tman/owlcatz/yogg scammy little bunch of dirt bags.

I tell you what snitch moon, dig your BBW nose into all the dirt you can find on bill gator and I will bring all the dirt on lauda, tman, and we can compare in public?  we will see who is less trustworthy and who it would be far more dangerous to set in a position of DT1.

I don't give one shit about bill gator, that fool never stuck up for the true legend at all, and joined in when it suited him to be part of their gang of dirt bags. I suspect he only appealed out of greed for his sig.

However, double standards need to be pointed out in every thread. They are ON TOPIC and RELEVANT because they furnish the reader with the full and deep understanding of the matters at hand, and peoples possible motives and reasons for the opinions they give with no real grounding or demonstrate the context they are trying to build for offering those opinions are false or misleading.

I would rather see billgator in DT1 than that blob snichmoon or its master lauda. Although all 3 are likely highly unsuitable.

I don't care about his appeal either way, who cares about a sig ban. However, his red tags for buying an account can only remain by lauda and tman or ANY OTHER DT if they also red tag nutildah.  No more double standards.

Keep his sig ban on (who cares) but remove his red tags and stop discussing him as untrustworthy and unworthy of DT1 based on things you give others a pass on and are guilty of yourselves.

So much for trying, telling another crime doesn't solve your other problen on the past plagiarized post. If you would only have waited for at least 2 months you won't have been tag by them. I don't even know why you just had not waited for two months as most of the ban appeals I see are about members having a perma ban status and when lifted they'll have just right about your punishment so obviously what your punishment now is something that permabanned users are hoping to get.

I think the account is dead to him anyway, what with the temp ban and the sig ban (no more signature earnings) so it's a last-ditch long-shot effort to revert the ban. Nothing to lose. Sometimes extreme honesty can work. I don't think it will in this case though. Too many lies make the newfound honesty questionable.

I knew he was banned days ago when his signature reflected:

The above in addition to the fact that he hasn’t posted in several days, starting prior to when he was banned. I believe he was banned on May 19 just before 9PM.

I would presume that anyone else could make the same conclusion.

(Technically I don’t *know* he was banned at all or at that time, but it is reasonable for one to reach the conclusion).

How did the supposed alt know that bill gator was banned to rush here and make this conspiracy theory work?  Just because something is technically a non zero chance of happening doesn't mean it's worth considering.  For example I think there is a non zero chance you are not a full fledged lying scamming cunt fart, however anyone with more than a couple of functioning brain cells shouldn't trust you with anything of value in any way shape or form.

Ironically, baboons are  capable of logic. But OP, here looks plainly stupid, creating a thread when the punishment is already lenient and frowning the whole community.

This is so crazy  

When I created my account here and began using the forum, bill gator helped  a lot with his thread sMerit Post-Review. Merit was a new thing in the forum, and he gave me a few and incentive me to make good posts. He was one of those trusted users from the community which was somehow an example of good members to me.

You seriously think that baboon gator is capable of logic? That joke isn't even amusing. His DT and "trustworthy" days are over.

I agree 100% that he should have checked post quality, but I am not aware of any basis for checking for plagiarism in 2015. If he had gotten banned for spamming in 2015 that lasted a week, I would be on the same page, but it is 2019 and his ban is ~8 weeks and has a 102 week sig ban.

It is my understanding that sig spammers were generally receiving a 3 or 7 day ban for a first offense back then, not the 60 day ban plus a 2 year sig ban he received. I am also not aware of anyone receiving a ban for insubstantial posts with a paid sig well after post quality has improved.

Lauda is not blowing smoke. Bill did something that lauda doesn’t like and he is looking for an excuse to give negative trust.

It is not possible to prove a one post newbie is not an alt of someone. It is ridiculous to suggest that someone could possibly do that.

I know bill gator and pugman from the thread A simple bitcoin Q/A. Learn new and interesting stuff about bitcoin.
Honestly this is one of the thread that helped me in my learning journey so I respect that guy for that.


I read that few people suspect that OP  is not actually  bill gator but it narrows down to 1 possibility only that user who reported the bill gator created the thread. Actually what surprised me that both original and plagiarized post exists




But what I see from the earlier threads that plagiarized posts are deleted.

It also look suspicious why somebody doing the appeal just want to post one post and do want to defend himself /herself?

Everybody knows what exactly self admittance of account buying means and so experienced user admitting it (when denied previously on pretext of friend), does not sound logical to me.


PS: So many edit, I do not know how it get messed up.





   

Well, I know it's possible perhaps someone trying to want abasement bill gator account. Who know may be it's well planned including ban. But, but .. my question is, bill gator main account is still online today. Do you believe he will not visit meta section and he isn't aware about this drama ? If yes, then he will not make post with his original alt account? Because he have got ban it's true like star. Please use common sense sometimes.

Lauda is blowing smoke probably to just piss you off fella - your biting only encourages more of it. In your hypothetical story here, should the wordsmith Bill come back and prove that the OP (who has a thesaurus stuffed in every orifice) is not Bill I will happily remove my tag and will lean on Lauda to remove as well. You seem obsessed with tags so much more since OG is no longer on DT and its a bit worrying, the old dictatorship is over, DT is self governing and if a tag is unjust members of DT talk to each other and help resolve anything that is seen as incorrect by a number of people. The new system is working as you can see with OG and Bill being excluded by more senior members than included - yet you will also see that that teeGUMES is on DT as the issue with regards to Vod was handled in a respectable way.

so, "if" you are right the tags at the moment will be removed and they aren't doing any harm whilst the member in question is banned if the member does not come back and post before the ban is over we can conclude that the OP is Bill. Now to further indulge you, every fucking other person on this fucking forum can add 2+2 and see that the OP was written by the same scummy prick who bought the fucking account, weaseled his way with tiny deals to have a decent level of trust, continued to shit words out and then write a fucking essay on every post then get onto DT..

I would agree with your conclusion, and my opinion is that Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism/post quality. Im sure you recall how accounts were marketed back then, and post quality was always a factor. I remember playing with the account tool that everyone used and having it judge my post quality. While I agree that improving your post history is a good way to decrease the penalties, if you break a rule and you aren't caught you aren't punished. As soon as you get caught, you are likely to be punished. Will a moderator give you more consideration if you have 1 bad post for every 100 good? Certainly more so than someone with 10 posts with half of them being bad.

The risk as you said was that he would receive a temp ban, and he did. I'm not sure that it warrants a 60 day ban given the offense to contribution ratio, but thats if we operate under the assumption that there was only a single case of plagiarism in Bill's post history.

When a person buys an existing account it should be common sense that you're buying a used product and any buyer with a little common sense should consider it "as is", it's the buyers responsibility to make sure the account is "road worthy" as he is the one "driving" it on our roads.  If you need a new car/account you should get it from the manufacture then you would be assured of it's authenticity.

A few weeks ago and bill gator would have been perma banned and everyone would have been arguing for a temp ban and sig ban or some kind of compromise.

I like bill gator, I don't think he is a scammer but I do think he should be happy he wasn't "shit canned" and he can come back in a couple months to be part of the community.  This also makes me call into question his judgement and I now question if he is right to receive my support for a DT1 position.

So the spam was a problem back then, but I don't think there were any instances in which anyone who stopped spamming and started making decent posts was in any real any danger of getting banned. So if you take the premise that the OP bought the account and should have known it had a poor history, the way he could have resolved the poor history at the time would be to start making decent posts and he wouldn't be in any additional danger of a ban. Also, someone with a hundred posts (the number bill gator had when it was purchased) would generally not get permabanned as soon as discovered as it was posting garbage, it would generally receive a number of temp bans to give the opportunity to improve, so his risk at the time was he would receive a temp ban, and would need to make better posts moving forward, the later of which he did.

Plagiarism may have been common back then (IDK one way or another), but I don't think it was known to be a problem, nor known to be common.

All of this revolves around if Bill should have reasonably checked for plagiarism when he bought the account.

The point is that multiple people, yourself included are tagging him based on what a one post newbie is saying without any supporting evidence. Lauda is saying he is going to have at least orange trust forever regardless of the opinion of anyone else based on the uncorroborated word of a one post newbie

Ok - lets play what ifs again...

if it isnt Bill - so what?
if it is Bill - So what?

either he did copy pasta and most people will exclude from DT, or he didn't and he will be excluded and tagged for buying an account. I don't get what your hardon is here unless it was you who actually started this thread.

It technically was, we just called it spam at the time as it was not common with non newbie accounts. Account farmers were a problem even back then, and plagiarism itself wasn't uncommon. Account farmers had hundreds of accounts and they'd share posts in megathreads and places they could get away with it. Those accounts were nuked/banned, but none of them ever appealed because they knew exactly what they were doing.

I don't know for certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bill's account was one that slipped through the cracks, and later got flagged by the bot.

If Bill Gator was not told which post was plagiarized when he was banned, then the question becomes how did the OP know which post he was banned for *before* he opened this thread.

The implication is the OP is not Bill Gator appealing his ban, but rather someone else trying to give an excuse to tag him.

I highly doubt anyone is being told which posts they plagiarized--but that's always the way it's worked.  When someone opens a ban appeal thread, only then does someone do the research and come up with an example or multiple examples.

With all of these bans of old and/or respected members, I think it would be a good idea to let them (and anyone else getting banned) know exactly what they did wrong.  I've made that argument before in the context of writing posts about being sick and tired of all the ban appeal threads where the banned members claim ignorance of their offense (and usually their accounts aren't that old).  Obviously nothing changed, and I'm sure there are reasons for why nothing did, but I've no idea what they are.

LOL. The offensiveness and anti-PCness is just juicy.

This is what happens when you reply without even reading previous posts.(signature spam alert)

ABNOY?ALT?

What a shit post, and still it got merited.Because it was licking their asses 

Sorry Bill, I'd just ride it out if I were you, I'd just be glad you didn't get nuked straight away.

Now just because I'm curious, what made you think it was a good idea to purchase an account? Even taking into account that it might not have been as frowned upon back in 2015 (although I doubt that).
I know you kinda explained it in your post, but it seems logical to think that this would come to bite you in the ass one day, as we're now seeing.

Starting a new account and spending a couple of months building it up isn't that bad, right? Especially when there weren't any merit requirements.

I thought I remembered account sales being frowned upon back in 2015, but I could just be misremembering.

Have you explained it again? Sorry for making you feel stupid 😂
It's agnostic brother. I think the one who support such ideal is labeled as ABNOY (in our language). Take a hint about your mother, (oh sorry... I remembered you hate females for having none for the rest of your life, My condolences.)

How 'bout getting your main account here instead of using an alt, oops maybe you also get banned that's why you can't. Enjoy being on my Ignore list.

OMFG, that's a reference from a book(animal farm).Don't make me explain it every time, feels stupid.
Fucking NPC


I don't support any religion.I am agnnostic.
The other sex is stupid, and I don't trust them for taking important decision in a short time.Their hormones makes them too emotional.

I'm pretty curious on what place do you live in? Can't determine the difference between a dog and a cat?
Lauda is a Cat. And yet you still call her and her allies dogs? Does your place have your Dogs serves under a Cat? 🤔🤔🤔

Lemme throw your words back at you...

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The fact that bill doesn't comes back, I think he doesn't care too much on this shit anymore,.. More or Less also about the feedbacks left on this thread and his account. Well, he really can't do anything about it now, it's such a waste for such an account.

I called it on time.

I wonder what religious ideology you support.

This is what happens when some plebs(and woman) get power.

These signature spammers are acting like a true NPC.

This post is probably written by Lauda and her dogs.How stupid do you have to be, to not even think about it?
Don't tell me that everyone is a woman here, because that would be the only logical reason for such stupidity.

Every week there's always a new drama to entertain the meta visiters with. What I don't get about the whole bill's ban appeal was, what was he thinking appealing a temporary sig ban with the exuse of he was not the poster of the plagiarized posts, sounds funny to my hearing. Seems like he was trying to clarify he isn't a post stealer but ended up reviewing he's an account farmers. Just skimmed through bill's feedback and guess what, he has previously tagged another users for trying to sell an accounts Such a hypocritical act.

Shocking. Some one speaks up about systemic abuse and magically some one finds a reason to ban him among other punitive acts. This forum is devolving into disgusting stazi like tactics. Show me the man I will find you the crime.

Bill Gator is the classic example of quick-reputation farming:
1) Quick and little paypal trades.
2) Quick and pajeet collectible purchases.

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Both of these are worth zero in my eyes. It is clear that this is the right method to farm trust and it seems that I have to slap many members over and over again due to their practices. Had I more time, I'd run an experiment: Create a new alt, forcibly make decent posts, rush into PP && minor collectibles deals. I'm certain I could get more than 100 trust under a year, probably a lot more with so many DT members now. The enablers are somewhat guilty in case someone managed to scam due to such trust ratings.

You got the attention of that group thanks for critical Thread and posts.

They instantly digged in your past to find something to punish you for that.Thats the reality.You got now punished and your account destroyed for talking up against them.

If i remember right it was suchmoon who very often quickly digged these kind of old shits against people who started to post against them.

I remember suchmoon claiming to not have digged into someones history from 2014 to get him punished because of a dispute and later had to approve that it was her but it wasn't because of that dispute.


Its a clear punishment against you for talking up against them which you can instantly see that only these fucking abusers are upholding this nonsense and defending it.

Don't try to feed your boss through feeding bottle, it will cause you having a hard slap on your face, or a kick in your ass.
Trying to sell this story to being proved innocent? This forum is full of stupid who don't penalize the actual criminal. Always this stupid go after the people who traded merit, abused bounty, asked for no collateral loan, posted bullshit, I don't trust because of X is Y which has almost nothing with scam.

It's not about 2015-16, bill gator is a DT-1 member. How come you do support a purchased account to be in DT-1? And how he did get rid of your red tag? The typical account trader is thousand time less riskier than account like this.
See the intention of bill gator. He has used this account to buy the reputation. It was easy to scam a huge amount of money by him. And I'm damn sure that's what the intention of this stupid.
Who is more dangerous? Someone who asked you to go first? Or someone who bought an account and build the reputation?
I used to think The Pharmacist as one of the honest dude here.

I don't see any point to appeal temp ban, people's should say thanks to theymos for second chances. Sorry, @bill gator I can't support your ban appeal thread due to bought account. I realized that how hard build a account after implement merit system. And your story isn't going to help unban you. You are just getting negative feedback's by exposing yourself.

Overall as a self made forum member, I don't like any bitcointalk account dealers.

Tagging account seller totally depend on you, no one forcing you. But your statement if very confusing sometimes. For few traders you introduce yourself very strict, for some traders you introduce yourself very very soft.

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However, there is multiple mistakes occurred by OP. First thing is bought account. Second thing is, there was wave of plagiarism ban but you didn't bothered to recheck your profile. I don't think it will help for unban by prove bought account. Forum ban a person, and you are the one who is owner of this account.

Plagiarism was neither explicitly against the rules when he bought the account nor was it a known problem. He should have known not to plagiarize himself (by all accounts he did not), but I don't think he had any reason to believe others were plagiarizing.

I don’t think he had any reasonable reason to check for plagiarism when he bought it, and I don’t think any of the tools that checked post quality would look into potential plagiarism.

As previously stated, if account buyers are going to be held responsible for the actions of prior owners, account sales might as well be disallowed.

When I created my account here, I see bill gator already active in the forum especially in the meta and he gained many merits already. I thought he is like other reputable members out there but he has also did break the rules .

I think what the admins did is right that he is punished by temp ban since he did break the rules. He already said that he bought that account which is not allowed here. Whatever the old owner did will be passed to its new owner. If the old owner plagiarized before selling it then it will be passed to the new owner.

In this case, this is like case solve because of what the OP has posted. No need for a ban appeal I think.

OMG, I was talking about 2 users ban and thought these were not perfect for them. Now this is the reality. I wouldn't support any of these types ban appeal.

Regardless if you were not the owner at that time, that account you are holding still plagiarized which is against the forum rules. Again, we are talking here about the entirety of the ACCOUNT and not the present nor the past user.


Dude you just dug your own grave with that statement. You should have at least accepted the consequences and lived with it. Lots of users in the forum are getting PERMANENTLY banned from plagiarizing content and the moderators are already lenient with your case. You just made everything worse to be honest.

Although I do agree with the ban given to bill, I don't agree with the feedback that he has received recently on his account. I don't agree with buying accounts necessarily, but bill should be kept as an exception as he's proven that he can be trusted. Account buying/selling is definitely a questionable and disagreeable practice, but bill's intentions are clearly unlike other account buyers and sellers.

It's unfortunate that this happened, if bill is telling the truth then I believe his trust ratings are too extreme for this situation; a ban is enough. In my opinion, bill should be responsible for anything related to the account he bought, but he shouldn't suffer any consequences if he's telling the truth about his origins coming to this forum.

Overall its a tough situation to be in, especially with all this hate. I would've thought people would be more supportive and less hostile.

As far as I know, there is no leniency given for the, "my account was hacked, I bought the account, it was my brother on my account, etc etc" excuses. It may well be valid, but its far easier for the staff to just say, take care of your account, rather than taking on the duty of spending days playing detective to help out the 1 in 1000 that have a legitimate claim. Back when account buying/selling was a bit more acceptable, before account farmers became the nuisance they are today, checking over an account's posts was something everyone did before buying an account. If I recall, there was even a price tool that would tell you the quality of an account's posts and its value. That burden was always on the buyer, so maybe I'm not as sympathetic as I could be on the matter. Regardless, asking the moderators to cut you some slack is just going to result in tons of spammers asking for forgiveness with bogus reasons, so I can't see anyone wanting to set that precedent.

On a side note... there are three, maybe four on topic posts in this thread. This is getting pitiful, make your own thread if you want to take part in a circle jerk. Whether you like Bill or not, they made a real post asking a question, its not like a thread in off topic about some random nonsense where no one cares if you spam.

And? Tags are no longer permanent from DT members, there has been numerous cases of negative tags being removed lately. So now that’s dealt with what other issues do you have here ?

I was genuinely surprised to find out that bill had been banned for plagiarism.  I found his posts to be wordy and contrived to the point of being monotonous, even verging on spammy, but I never would have pegged him for a plagiarist.  The excuse that the account was purchased makes perfect sense.


I have to disagree with you on this TP.  Obviously you are entitled to your opinion and you can react any way you choose, but one needs to ask why the member bought the bill gator account.  Was it because he didn't like the name he had already chosen for his account as the OP claims, or was it because he got CMAS listed for his wordy monotony?  Buying an account is cheating, plain and simple.  It's no different than buying or forging a college degree, in my opinion.  You can argue that bill has been a contributing member of the community, and makes decent, articulate posts, but it was rooted in deception.  

If it wasn't intended to deceive the community why wouldn't he have disclosed that he had purchased the account right from the start?  Why didn't he just start with a fresh account?  The answer is likely to qualify for sig and bounty campaigns in which his other account was no longer welcome.



No, bill isn't your typical sig spammer, and he did earn his way onto the most coveted campaign on the forum.  And I mean that, he earned his way onto that campaign.  It's not like he bought a great account, got accepted into chipmixer and started posting shit.  It was his own words that got him into that spot.  

I'm all in favor of being lenient on people who make mistakes early on, but the deceit he has perpetrated on the community makes me less sympathetic for his case.  Whats fair is fair: If bill can prove that he purchased the account after the post in question, then I wouldn't mind seeing his ban being lifted.  He shouldn't be punished for a crime he did not commit.  But buying an account without a public disclosure at the time is something that negates any trust I had for him.  

I don't think bill bought the account to scam anyone, if so he's very slow to build up to that.  But he's been deceptive none the less.

Well for one, lauda seems pretty hell bent on seeing that Bill Gator is tagged, regardless of what anyone else thinks. So there are the people with a similar mindset.

Why the fuck would anyone else post the op if it wasn’t the wordsmith himself? And hypothetically if your story of it not being bill turned out to be correct I would move my tag and any other DT member would do the same as long as we were presented with OBSERVABLE PROOF.

There is literally zero proof the OP is an alt of Bill Gator.

Everything he posted is public information. I am not sure if those getting bans are receiving any kind of notification of the post found to have plagiarized, but many people opening ban appeal threads appear to not know what specific post of theirs was caught. However in the OP's case, he knew exactly what post he copied, even though he is not the one who wrote the post. He also says he will not reply to this thread, which is unexpected of someone in his position.

A review of the security log and Bill Gator's post history does make me believe his account was likely sold on Nov 7, 2015, as claimed in the OP. This is based on public information available to anyone. When the account was likely transferred, it only had 107 posts, and appears to be a textbook example of someone buying an account to get around the long wait times between posts.

edit: This person claims to not know what post got him banned for plagiarism (presumably) and he was banned on the 20th, while Bill Gator was banned on the 19th according to his signature. This would lead me to believe the mods are *not* telling those who are banned which of their posts were found to be plagiarized.

Woof, woof Meow, meow motherfucker.

Yawn. Anything else you got?

It's Lauda and her dogs.

You are the Napolean.
Go and read some books.

That was me, as a moderator, removing other people's ref. spam. Just when I thought that a monkey like you couldn't get any dumber.. it seems that I have been insulting monkeys all this time.

I am not sad at all and I think The Pharma is wrong this time, there are tons of other users including me that are being bombarded with red trust for the same thing bill gator did in 2015, I did it in early 2016 so the time doesn't differ much. Oh and I don't do shitposting.

This doesn't mean that this forum is not in total communism and you know what communism has in common with this forum. In a communist regime the party(DT in this case) are the ones who decide what happens to the country (forum in this case). A lot of ass lickers (so called spies or "eye of the party" in totalitarian regimes like communists) do this in order to get a job (a signature acceptance in the forum case). All others who do not agree with the party get different punishments from the lowest up to the capital death sentence (removal from campaign up to 2 year ban in the case of the forum).

By the way this Lauda fucker look at what kind of posts he was doing back then, REF SPAM removed from moderators all the time in 2016 and now comes decides the forum fate, that is fucked up to the maximum extent possible. Also named and accepted that did extortion.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=101872;sa=showPosts;start=460

Read the OP, bulshit bulshit 32 words when 2 will do, it’s like a tramp stamp on a cheap woman, I can smell the shitty perfume from the other side of the earth.

I am curious if there is evidence the OP is the same as Bill Gator. The answer would be especially telling considering the reaction of certain members here.

Who’s cock? Genuinely interested as I might want the job if it comes with free blowjobs

Maybe he's hoping to get back into the Chipmixer campaign if he can get the ban "annulled", as opposed to admitting the fuckup and serving the sentence.

How dare you pajeet! I am a cat.

Although I wonder why some people get 1 year and others 2 years.

Imagine plagiarizing, being let off with a temp ban, and then still appealing. I must say, I kind of expected a bit better.

You are like those dogs in the book lol

They can be bad also when they are forced. This reminds me first of aTriz then of HabBear. Bill gator was also an unwelcome addition to the collectibles section. The mentioned is not a natural post, but a forced I'm-not-a-spammer post:

Doing well on forum politics with such a new account.

I wrote that before I realized that bill gator got mega-negged just now. 

You know I say no to account dealers, but I said months ago after the iluvbitcoins debacle that I would only be tagging them from then on, with no exceptions for mitigating circumstances--and I'm sticking to that.  Of course I respect your opinion and I'm not going to counter any feedback, which I've previously said I'm not a fan of anyway. 

As far as the shitposting goes, I haven't taken a look at bg's post history but he got accepted into the Chipmixer campaign, so the quality of his posts can't be that bad.  I certainly know he can write coherently and isn't a typical sig spammer by any means. 

This does not surprise me at all but I have not seen it before.

It would be very contradictory without the 'when you', yes. Blazed isn't virtue signalling, lying nor attacking non-bought members either. Pointless to bring him up given his recent activity anyways.

Yawn. Is this all that your butthurtness is capable of producing?

Before you guys tagged him, does any of you have a solid proof that the OP is bill gator himself?
Looks like a scandal planned by Lauda and Tman to remove people who doesn't lick their ass.A made up post.

Playing politics on an online forum, get out of your basements you fucking incel virgins.Get a life!

This post is a prime example of totalitarianism on this forum.
Reminds me of The animal farm.

Given your stance on Blazed, I think you're being a bit contradictory here.  I agree that buying/selling accounts is/was despicable at any point.

The other problem is that he has gone so far out of his way to lie about it. He had every opportunity to come clean when I brought this up a few months ago.

Instead he came up with this crap:


Didn't have the energy at the time to follow up on it, but yeah, I don't know how you can say this isn't super shady.

Bill was a high class shitposter, he deepthroated a thesaurus whilst shoving a dictionary up his arsehole and one finger typing shit that wasn’t needed. Originally it pissed me off in collectibles as there is no need at all for 200 word posts in an auction thread. Now it seems his excuses are as long as his fucking posts.

@pharmacist, you really believe that someone who bought an account instead of levelling up themselves in 2015 was trustworthy? It’s not hard to level up and it was a fuck ton easier back then, seeing the amount of shite bill has posted on this forum the last year I don’t believe his story as he can shitpost like the best of them so levelling up back then wouldn’t of been an issue.

You wish, but you won't get that one pajeet. Enjoy your tag.

Sounds about right.

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Do I need to rub in that I was right about the virtue signalling?

So how did Bill Gator get so much merits? Cock sucking?  

Just look at your own posts in the beginning, you bought this account yourself.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=101872;sa=showPosts;start=880

What does lauda even mean?It means dick in Indian language.
A pajeet farmer owned that account and you bought it, LAUDA

If this is going to be the standard, account sales really should be banned.

I am guessing you are not going to support people tagging you for doing just this. I guess your policy is ‘rules for thee but not for me’

Or perhaps the tag is actually in response to his recent criticism of vod (and his tag against vod).

Honestly I'm appalled at these new appeals. It's a temp ban, sit it out or do something nice outdoors or something. You're already getting away with murder as far as forum rules are concerned.

Account purchase, while not frowned upon in 2015, is not an excuse. And I think you owe it to the community to disclose who sold you an account farmed via plagiarism.

say what?

I don't care what year it was when you come at me with bullshit in order to create a false defense for your past actions. This is a play out of the CH-book, and I won't let it slip. If anyone counters, I'll counter the counter: Say no to account dealers. To make matters worse, it was bought primarily for shitposting which he has been doing. No thanks.

Lol.  And I'm waiting for the troll posse to start with the "why isn't bill gator not tagged for buying his account?" posts.  As a preemptive answer, he apparently bought the account before account selling became a sin around here, and I'm definitely not going to give him a neg for it.  Nor am I going to remove him from my trust list for that or for the plagiarism, which he (the current owner) likely didn't do.

If the plagiarism in question really is the post from 2015, I do hope bill gator can successfully appeal this ban.  I think he's a good member here, even if others might not agree with some of his opinions or with my assessment of him.  I've had financial transactions with him where he's been trustworthy and personal conversations with him which have demonstrated his likeable personality.  Those are traits in short supply on bitcointalk, and I'd hate to see members like him get punished for something the previous owner of the account did.

That was 2015, dude.  The account buying problem was nowhere near as bad as it has since become, and account dealers didn't start getting tagged until 2016. 

Global Mods can hand out signature bans directly, instead of permanent bans.

So how did you get the sig ban already on your bill gator account? (It was showing there last night). What is this Post even for? You just told everyone you bought the account? How the fuck will that help you, window-licker?

Well at least no more reading Bill Thesaurus's fucking waste of life sig-camp posts. How much BTC have you earned here so far with your shitposts, eh "Bill" ?

Account farming is what was gained from that post. It's the risk of buying an account: you buy it's entire history too.

However, in 2015 account sales weren't frowned upon as they are now.

Yea changed my mind I do dislike you, and to think I actually countered vods tag to help you out.

Fucking slippery prick buying an account

Out of curiosity, who did you buy from?

I think I'm having another aTriz nightmare.

I don't exactly know what the rules are around making these appeals, and as far as I can tell there isn't really much of a format to them either.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bill-gator-370611


I came back from a walk the other day to see that I was banned. I'm going to be honest with you guys, I can't imagine spending 2-months off this forum. With that being said, I would not attempt to ban evade and I hope that posting this thread is not mistaken as such. I will not send any PMs, post anywhere else and I don't plan on replying to this thread. I just want to lay it out there and allow the community to decide what's up. I understand that my sentence is lenient in comparison to what others are receiving, but allow me to make a case for my "innocence".

The post that was plagiarized was this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11970365

Original : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11223465

and from what I can tell it was a blatant case of plagiarism. Now, let me be honest with all of you: I did not post that.

bill gator is an account I bought on November 7th, 2015. The plagiarized post occurred before I was the owner of the account. The plagiarized post was done while there was nothing in the signature and nothing to gain. My best guess is that the old owner recycled some posts from their other accounts.

Prior to purchasing bill gator, or ever making an account, I had an agreement with a couple of users to post on their accounts. This is how I found out about the forum, and Bitcoin; I was a hired writer from another forum. Once I came here, I fell in love with the technology, the community and created an account. The problem became, that I named my account after someone close to me and that was something I wanted to step away from.

I ended up contacting a "reputable" account salesman, who is a legendary member that hasn't posted in a couple of years. This was before all of the denouncing of account sales, and wasn't done with any malicious intent. My inquiry to the salesman was that I wanted an account with similar potential activity to my "handmade" account, as few posts as possible, and no trust so that I could just make a clean transition to a different account without the hassle of starting over.

If that was today, I would start over at newbie, because account sales are something the community agrees against. We even used one of the most trusted uncontroversial escrows that are still active today. This wasn't a shady back-alley deal with bad intentions; reputable people were involved and the community didn't stand against it at the time.

To wrap things up, this forum is my life, sad as that sounds - I love this community, I love Bitcoin and I want to be part of it. I did not make that post, I did not have access to bill gator at that time, there was nothing to gain from the post and there was nothing in the signature at the time of that post. I am not trying to skirt responsibility in anyway, but I want you to have all of the appropriate and relevant information to make a decision regarding this particular case.

I should have done more due diligence when I purchased the account originally, but all of the posts were so bad it seemed impossible that they would be plagiarized. If this appeal is found out of my favor, then I will see you fine people in a couple months. Hopefully, you're willing to see that my intentions are genuine and the punishment is misdirected.

I am happy to privately/publicly verify any of the information I've provided with staff if that becomes a relevant contingency.

Thank you for your time, you guys are the best - even those of you that I've bumped heads with.