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Quote from: sheenshane on August 09, 2021, 12:18:40 PM

~~~So, let them be.

Maybe in the end my advice goes to waste because the forum doesn't moderate the scam. Users who are blocked due to continuous plagiarism or spamming or for other reason such as evading ban. It might be obvious that we should ignore it and but not let it influence many other users to run into scam. I really think that their profile should not be ignored and not leave them free to post anything that could affect other users.

Alright, since I know that disallowing displaying signature is impossible just by promoting a scam site then I have to lock this thread. Hopefully the tag and flag can be effective in preventing affected people from trying the site or depositing money there.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 08, 2021, 07:29:34 PM

The decision has likely been made to not allow the user to join signature campaigns.

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 08, 2021, 07:30:34 PM

I am not aware of anyone successfully participating in an avatar campaign that is banned from wearing a signature, so I don't think this is a pressing issue.

It makes sense now and it has totally enlightened my confusion regarding this.
The banned was effective only for not wearing signature but they can still wear avatar on their profile which means they can still advertise what they want.

Quote from: skarais on August 09, 2021, 10:33:26 AM

This allows users to keep getting scammed and more victim if ignored. Negative tag and flag will not cause the user to remove the signature and avatar from the scam site. I firmly believe that account used in such campaign simply want to be paid without consideration to prevent scam on this forum. This means the account support scammer to get more victim.

I think red-tagged under profile name is enough for users to avoid not to get scam and all their participants have negative tags as a warning to anyone that they are precautious. I don't know how effective in advertising if a banned user wearing an avatar since it isn't clickable for any link not unlike the signature code in our profile. So, let them be.

And this is enough sign to avoid them.

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Quote from: Lucius on August 09, 2021, 05:23:31 AM

Anyone who knowingly participates in a scam project should be punished at least with a signature ban, and that service should be banned from the forum - everything else is completely wrong and sends the wrong message to all who are on the forum and who are yet to become members.

If we are meddling with the "scams are not moderated" policy, that shouldn't be exclusive only for members who participated in scam projects. Any members who stole something, scammed in a trade, didn't repay a loan, etc. should be treated in the same way. They are obviously not trustworthy and shouldn't be allowed to advertise anything.

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As you all said, it look like ronaldo40 is not banned from displaying a signature on the reason of promoting a scam site but because of a case of plagiarism. Thank you all for your clarification.

Quote from: Lucius on August 09, 2021, 05:23:31 AM

This forum has (and many agree with it) too much freedom when it comes to scam, and that’s something I don’t think is too much logical. If the rules of the forum were transferred to the real world, then people who cheated on someone would not be punished or imprisoned at all, but would only be labeled as thieves and fraudsters that everyone should watch out for.

Of course, I think the rule that apply in this forum are not relevant enough to be used in the real world, especially regarding scam case.

Quote from: Lucius on August 09, 2021, 05:23:31 AM

By such logic, the forum becomes an ideal place for various illegal activities, and the biggest punishment is a flag or a negative trust that does not bother them too much to continue doing their dirty work. Anyone who knowingly participates in a scam project should be punished at least with a signature ban, and that service should be banned from the forum - everything else is completely wrong and sends the wrong message to all who are on the forum and who are yet to become members.

I'm sure most forum users would probably agree with this kind of precaution, which means banning the display of signature and avatars for those trying to promote scam site. But in the end we all realized that forum don't moderate scam. This allows users to keep getting scammed and more victim if ignored. Negative tag and flag will not cause the user to remove the signature and avatar from the scam site. I firmly believe that account used in such campaign simply want to be paid without consideration to prevent scam on this forum. This means the account support scammer to get more victim.

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Quote from: sheenshane on August 08, 2021, 06:45:04 PM

I have a little confusion, to be honest, if that user had been banned from wearing signature (presumably also ban wearing avatar), my question is how that user wore the scam gambling site avatar in the first place or the banned restriction was for the signature only not include the avatar and they still can modify it to wear avatar, if so, they can still promote whatever they want even though they are ban wearing signature.

I'm waiting for the moderator who clarifies this issue and will enlighten my mind here.

Exactly my thoughts. I'm not sure why the ban didn't extend to avatar because the profile settings allow the user to enable/ disable both.

But my educated guess would be that signatures are clickable, which is the core function of signature campaigns; meanwhile the same doesn't apply for avatars. And also people would see the former when scrolling down to read discussions.

Quote from: sheenshane on August 08, 2021, 06:45:04 PM

My grandma's fav song, lol, but you're right.

I feel old now

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Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 11:22:48 AM

Honestly I also want to suggest admin to take this ban action for those who promote scam site like 1xbit and Betking.io so far active on the forum. This can prevent forum users from accessing the site so that the incidence of scam can be reduced. But since forum don't moderate scam, is it possible for andmin to take such a ban?

This forum has (and many agree with it) too much freedom when it comes to scam, and that’s something I don’t think is too much logical. If the rules of the forum were transferred to the real world, then people who cheated on someone would not be punished or imprisoned at all, but would only be labeled as thieves and fraudsters that everyone should watch out for.

By such logic, the forum becomes an ideal place for various illegal activities, and the biggest punishment is a flag or a negative trust that does not bother them too much to continue doing their dirty work. Anyone who knowingly participates in a scam project should be punished at least with a signature ban, and that service should be banned from the forum - everything else is completely wrong and sends the wrong message to all who are on the forum and who are yet to become members.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 08, 2021, 12:14:06 PM

although if memory serves me correctly something similar happened when Yobit was running its last campaign--but it wasn't because of Yobit's scammy nature; it was because the participants were spamming the forum like crazy. It was unbelievable how many garbage posts were cranked out during that brief period when Yobit had hundreds of signature campaign participants promoting them.

It is because of what you said but also because of Yobit approach to run their signature campaign on the forum.

They did not have announcement thread about their campaign, on the forum. They run its on their website and in the first round, they opened it from Full member rank and above. Additionally, it is a paid per post campaign.

After theymos solution to ban their signature and spam participants (who were reported) a few months, they came back and kept spamming the forum. Until the take over of yahoo62278 to manage that campaign.

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Quote from: sheenshane on August 08, 2021, 06:45:04 PM

I have a little confusion, to be honest, if that user had been banned from wearing signature (presumably also ban wearing avatar), my question is how that user wore the scam gambling site avatar in the first place or the banned restriction was for the signature only not include the avatar and they still can modify it to wear avatar, if so, they can still promote whatever they want even though they are ban wearing signature.

ronaldo40 is banned from displaying signatures until March 2022. He very clearly still has the ability to wear and change his avatar.

There are very few avatar campaigns out there that do not also require participants to wear a signature. I am not aware of anyone successfully participating in an avatar campaign that is banned from wearing a signature, so I don't think this is a pressing issue.

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Quote from: sheenshane on August 08, 2021, 06:45:04 PM

my question is how that user wore the scam gambling site avatar in the first place or the banned restriction was for the signature only not include the avatar and they still can modify it to wear avatar, if so, they can still promote whatever they want even though they are ban wearing signature.

As you know, scams are not moderated on the forum and the signature ban has nothing to do with what the user has promoted so far. So, I don't think the main purpose of the signature ban is to not allow the user to promote a certain service.
The decision has likely been made to not allow the user to join signature campaigns.

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I have a little confusion, to be honest, if that user had been banned from wearing signature (presumably also ban wearing avatar), my question is how that user wore the scam gambling site avatar in the first place or the banned restriction was for the signature only not include the avatar and they still can modify it to wear avatar, if so, they can still promote whatever they want even though they are ban wearing signature.

I'm waiting for the moderator who clarifies this issue and will enlighten my mind here.

Quote from: UserU on August 08, 2021, 12:15:08 PM

..the final answer has always been que sera, sera (whatever will be, will be):

My grandma's fav song, lol, but you're right.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 08, 2021, 03:59:49 PM

Quote from: dkbit98 on August 08, 2021, 01:49:29 PM

If I remember correctly this ronaldo40 guy was part of Adkinsbet group that purchased multiple forum accounts and promoted their website,

You remember correctly.
ronaldo40 was involved in promoting Adkinsbet and it's not the only account that has been banned from displaying the signature.

There are 7 more accounts that have been banned from displaying the signature for the same duration. (For more information, click here to read the post made by morvillz7z)

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I believe this has something to do with Max bet amount at Stake.com, their posts are deleted and soon after sig banned.

I wonder if he even realized he was banned from wearing a signature. He was last active around the time the signature ban was implemented, and my guess is he was probably also fully banned for a period of time. He clearly applied for a spot on the signature campaign, and even started wearing the betking avatar.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 08, 2021, 01:49:29 PM

If I remember correctly this ronaldo40 guy was part of Adkinsbet group that purchased multiple forum accounts and promoted their website,

You remember correctly.
ronaldo40 was involved in promoting Adkinsbet and it's not the only account that has been banned from displaying the signature.

There are 7 more accounts that have been banned from displaying the signature for the same duration. (For more information, click here to read the post made by morvillz7z)

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I believe this has something to do with Max bet amount at Stake.com, their posts are deleted and soon after sig banned.

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If I remember correctly this ronaldo40 guy was part of Adkinsbet group that purchased multiple forum accounts and promoted their website, but now decided to move with new betking.
I am not sure why he got signature ban, maybe because of spamming and unconstructive posts, but it was totally deserved and only moderators know the true reason.
Other accounts that he is controlling should also be checked for similar activity.

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Just to clarify, that user wasn't banned for applying in the betking signature campaign. This user has an existing ban of displaying signature, most probably he just wore the avatar or the avatar was exist before getting ban. Any users wouldn't ban for applying any campaign. Admin only disables the signature code if it encourages huge spam on the forum. Admin doesn't like to moderate scams anyway.

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Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 12:04:51 PM

No, I'm not talking about friends or people I know. He's not a friend of mine and I created this thread to find out how likely it is that other users (if promoting a scam site) are ban like that. However, if the ban is only given due to plagiarism, then it is unlikely that other participant will be banned even if they use a signature from a scam site.

No. You won't get banned in anyway for scamming people. You can advertise scams in your signature and not get banned. You will only get negative trust ratings and flags probably and that's it. The account will be practically useless for any sig camps though so that punishment is as good as getting banned.

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Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 12:04:51 PM

I know that scam are not moderated and most of those participant have been red tagged.
If I'm not mistaken, some previous yobit signature campaign participant should also be banned from displaying signature just because yobit is a scam exchange. Meanwhile, both site have been proven to be scam, so I think it's a good idea for the admin to take the same action as the yobit participant.

Well, your suggestion has been brought up multiple times but the final answer has always been que sera, sera (whatever will be, will be):

Quote from: pugman on August 04, 2018, 11:12:45 AM

Forum doesn't moderate scams. Its up to each individual to determine if a person is going to scam or not. The forum doesn't act as a judge,jury or executioner.

In other words, you have to do your own research or you pay for your carelessness.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on August 08, 2021, 11:50:50 AM

Promoting betking is also helping scam and this has nothing to do with forum rules. As we know scam is not moderated, there's no chance that this user has been banned for promoting betking.

Unfortunately (IMO) that's true. There's no way Theymos would have the moderators hand out bans for promoting a scam site, although if memory serves me correctly something similar happened when Yobit was running its last campaign--but it wasn't because of Yobit's scammy nature; it was because the participants were spamming the forum like crazy. It was unbelievable how many garbage posts were cranked out during that brief period when Yobit had hundreds of signature campaign participants promoting them.

Quote from: Kutingjanggi on August 08, 2021, 12:02:50 PM

I feel bad for some users who were just using the signatures for participating on their campaigns. I bet Huh

no consideration for their accounts, a scam is a scam and you've been a part with it.

Don't feel too bad for any of them. And this member OP mentioned wasn't banned because he was promoting Betking anyway; it was for another offense.

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Quote from: bL4nkcode on August 08, 2021, 11:30:45 AM

IIRC this is because the user commit plagiarism or something against to the forum rules, instead of permanent ban, signature banned is imposed due to some reasons for a particular range of dates, sometimes a month banned to a year or more.

Some of the other reason I know of why a user is banned is if the user is a spammer or a bad poster maker. Admin can ban them for a certain period of time like this quote:

Quote from: bL4nkcode on August 08, 2021, 11:30:45 AM

Signature bans cannot prevent user accessing the forum, they even can still post.

True, but they can no longer carry the signature of the scam site. It's good to be part of the prevention solution.

Quote from: UserU on August 08, 2021, 11:50:54 AM

Scams are not moderated AFAIK. That's why those joining such campaigns are negative-tagged and have active flags raised against them.

I know that scam are not moderated and most of those participant have been red tagged.
If I'm not mistaken, some previous yobit signature campaign participant should also be banned from displaying signature just because yobit is a scam exchange. Meanwhile, both site have been proven to be scam, so I think it's a good idea for the admin to take the same action as the yobit participant.

Quote from: mindrust on August 08, 2021, 12:02:12 PM

~~~Your friend should be grateful~~~

No, I'm not talking about friends or people I know. He's not a friend of mine and I created this thread to find out how likely it is that other users (if promoting a scam site) are ban like that. However, if the ban is only given due to plagiarism, then it is unlikely that other participant will be banned even if they use a signature from a scam site.

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Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 11:22:48 AM

Honestly I also want to suggest admin to take this ban action for those who promote scam site like 1xbit and Betking.io so far active on the forum. This can prevent forum users from accessing the site so that the incidence of scam can be reduced. But since forum don't moderate scam, is it possible for andmin to take such a ban?

Scams are not moderated AFAIK. That's why those joining such campaigns are negative-tagged and have active flags raised against them.

I feel bad for some users who were just using the signatures for participating on their campaigns. I bet Huh

no consideration for their accounts, a scam is a scam and you've been a part with it. Some participants doesn't give a time to investigate nor read what they were up to 😂 I really feel bad for them.

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Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 11:22:48 AM

One of the participant who signed up for the betking.io signature campaign have ban from displaying the signature on his profile until a certain time limit ronaldo40. Actually there is a special reason for the ban?

Honestly I also want to suggest admin to take this ban action for those who promote scam site like 1xbit and Betking.io so far active on the forum. This can prevent forum users from accessing the site so that the incidence of scam can be reduced. But since forum don't moderate scam, is it possible for andmin to take such a ban?

My best guess is that he plagiarized some text. 9 out of 10 times that's the reason for a signature ban. (could be even 10/10) Your friend should be grateful because most of the time people commit this offense get a life time ban. A signature bans was given probably because he is a good poster. He should feel lucky.

edit: I checked his profile and I can't say he is that great. :/ He should feel even more lucky now.

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Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 11:22:48 AM

Honestly I also want to suggest admin to take this ban action for those who promote scam site like 1xbit and Betking.io so far active on the forum. This can prevent forum users from accessing the site so that the incidence of scam can be reduced. But since forum don't moderate scam, is it possible for andmin to take such a ban?

Scams are not moderated AFAIK. That's why those joining such campaigns are negative-tagged and have active flags raised against them.

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Betking is a proven scam site. Promoting betking is also helping scam and this has nothing to do with forum rules. As we know scam is not moderated, there's no chance that this user has been banned for promoting betking. May be plagiarism or some other rules he has not followed although I have not seen signature ban for any other reason than plagiarism.

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Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 11:22:48 AM

Actually there is a special reason for the ban?

IIRC this is because the user commit plagiarism or something against to the forum rules, instead of permanent ban, signature banned is imposed due to some reasons for a particular range of dates, sometimes a month banned to a year or more.

Quote from: skarais on August 08, 2021, 11:22:48 AM

This can prevent forum users from accessing the site so that the incidence of scam can be reduced.

Signature bans cannot prevent user accessing the forum, they even can still post.

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One of the participant who signed up for the betking.io signature campaign have ban from displaying the signature on his profile until a certain time limit ronaldo40. Actually there is a special reason for the ban?

Honestly I also want to suggest admin to take this ban action for those who promote scam site like 1xbit and Betking.io so far active on the forum. This can prevent forum users from accessing the site so that the incidence of scam can be reduced. But since forum don't moderate scam, is it possible for andmin to take such a ban?

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