Topic: [banned mixer], icopress, suspected of ponzi or exit scam! (Read 883 times)

I might add the fact that not only jambojet but watsupi wallet is also under icopress management and there are already accusations against that wallet. Which makes me a bit confused to be honest as to whether he is working with LE or is he just a puppet. Since jambojet claims they run the coins through chain analysis before accepting any deposits, which obviously indicates they are a honeypot company.

But the confusion is here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63394403

Where he offered the service for 17 BTC, so it makes you wonder, what kind of a puppet can do that unless they own the service somehow?

Since I'm not a criminal, I wouldn't mind any honeypot service operate here, after all, I fight for another kind of financial freedom which doesn't involve and advocate for criminal's financial freedom.

That's why this whole thing is suspicious, not to mention their minions are the ones tagging me left and right to discredit me and make me look like a troll. Wrong strategy idiots.

OgNasty says what?  LOL

I prefer my popcorn to be butter only, with the exception of maybe some cheese flavoring or kettle action.  Always has to come from an air popper too.  Stay away from those microwave popcorn bags.

Just happened to come across this while I was checking out the thread.  I'm a little confused why this operation (jambler) is still allowed to advertise here, since it is just a mixer that markets to other people who want to join their mixing with their own add on platform.  Seems like anyone using their platform will cause the entire thing to be shut down once a hack uses it to launder the funds.  The site being operated as a possible exit scam is another potential concern, but that risk is for the users to evaluate and not something the forum would enforce so you can't really do anything about that until after the fact.

This means this specific campaign manager does not think your words are worthy to consider on a feedback page. The managers actually read the feedback instead of just seeing the colors and numbers. Personally I believe people can change and they always deserve a chance  - that none of us born evil which includes you too.

Campaign managers work for well-being of both forum members and the project owners (they have their own interest too, I don't think anyone can deny it). Unlike you who like to circle jerk to create fake conversation which has no real value but only to get paid for the worthless post, the campaign manages of this forum have bigger responsibility to the entire system. Without the campaign managers hiring you, you will not exists even a month.

As a campaign manager, I have seen your posts history many times and know your activities when become high and when become less even what you write in your posts.

Cheers,

Apology for the confusion, sir. It appears that scammer quoted an early reply with the previous title and you also did the same. My bad.

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Also here is my face:
🤥🤥🤥

There are several people on the forum whose face I would like to see, and you are one of them, but without having seen it I know two things about it:

1) You have a nose bigger than Pinocchio.
2) If you open your mouth and move it, you are lying (the same applies for when you type something on a keyboard that has some meaning).

Anyone can see that the title was changed by you, and in this last post you have done it again for the second time.

It seems like certain managers not only accept trolls but they accept "actual" scammers with legit negative trust, which makes it much worse, to try *minionize scammers. Unless of course your tags are wrong? I know my tags are, in fact there is not a single shred of evidence of me "actually" scamming anyone.

Now that I think about it, have you ever had any reputation related discussions with certain DTs in the past? I wonder what happened. Maybe you shoplifted a condom 10 years ago somewhere and served time for it? If yes, how would you like to do the time again now and one more time a few years later?

Is there any campaign manager enrolling you besides icopress? with people like you and PP on DT, it's clear how easy it is to manipulate the system, especially now nobody has any doubts that he actually did started off by manipulating the trust system.

Also it makes you wonder, why would you and PP desperately change the title when replying? Nah, no need to wonder, you are typical ring kissers. Lets see how much longer scammers like you can last around here, especially now that I'm here to embarrass you left and right.

Funny how you were crying on every topic about me wearing a sig and spamming whilst you wouldn't last a month without one yourself.

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JG, learn a lesson from symm, no matter how hard you can kiss the ring, there is always such possibilities to fall in a few days.

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@posters here, I don't know your nationalities, but racism is not good, I know that at least I'm not one, so if we keep our race separate, it would be good for all. 😉


*= 😂

Thank you, I am glad you posted the link 

That campaign manager had no problem with accepting a troll and signature spammer (the OP) that had multiple negative tags yet was making afuss about some of his campaign participants with neutral tags.

I could be wrong about the motives but there was a suspicion at the time that the campaign manager asked some participants to try to get their neutral tags removed because he himself created several threads trying to get his own tags removed and could use any revisions as an excuse to question why his tags were not removed. As I stated, I could be wrong but that was the assumption.

If my memory serves me right, that same manager had some "issues" accepting participants with neutral tags on their profiles. Negatively tagged trolls are fine apparently.

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Do you think maybe he's compensating for something? 

Yes he currently does not get paid for posting (or in his specific case for spamming or spouting nonsense). The chances are he will not get in to another campaign unless a certain campaign manager that no longer has mixers to promote allows him to join a different campaign. If that campaign manager had not allowed him to participate in a mixer campaign he would have disappeared but he will float around for a short while more before he finally gives up on the "digaran" account.

You always wonder why people have so much free time to sit and create different dramas. There is an assumption that such people are clearly distinguished by limitations, if not physical, then certainly mental. After all, otherwise, normal people won’t just sit and spend time on gadgets or computers, blaming here and there people they never knew.
OP, do you have problems communicating offline? Who are you so offended by that you always say nonsense?
Sorry, but you have so much negativity in the reputation thread. Do you consider yourself a hero? At least here, right?

In fact, I think most Ukrainians would like me, after all their president was a comedian turned into a warrior later, just like me, so we have so much in common. :/

I have opposed the flag that you have created against icopress and I don't know why you have changed the title of the thread
As far as dealing with Icopress, I can say that dealing with him is safe and he isn't someone who will do ponzi or exit scam anytime. I have been in a signature campaign of Icopress and so far I haven't found any payment related issues.

I would suggest you to solve any personal issues that you have with Icopress or anyone else via PM rather than creating such threads. I'm not against you or anyone else but creating topics of such nature isn't a good practice and it won't help you or anyone else.

I didn't even notice that the subject of this topic was actually changed, what a miserable manipulation.


Do you even understand what a Ponzi scam is?
For your information, Jambler has been operating for 5+ years, maybe they needed a little too much time for the exit scam, what do you think?
Assuming you're not trolling when you ask developers to build you a similar platform, have you even understood how this business works?

Don't fuck with Ukrainians, bro.  :/

Why am I not surprised that a thread that was going about Timelord2067 now you suddenly change the title to an alleged [banned mixer] scam? Nothing surprises me from you anymore, I guess. It was explained to you in the other thread, what you say is false, i.e. this:


He explained it to you well joker_josue:


But you go about your business.

I will leave this quote here.


It turns out when you ask for price and time estimate from others, they come after you and call you scam, but when a ponzi is operating under their nose, they ignore everything, maybe because they are in bed on this, eh?

As OgNasty might say:


This Popped corn needs more salt.

Listen ginger pie, the flag description explains it well, you don't fit that description, however Tl proved he is not worthy of receiving a flag.
A news flash for you though, trust system is not for decoration, so if anyone is misusing it, doesn't deserve to be trusted for any economic deals. But if you know someone that is misusing the trust system and still you trust them, then that's your choice, doesn't mean everyone else should follow your choice the same way.

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You or anyone else are free to do the same to me, then we will see if the flag system is also compromised the way trust feedback system is. Because if I'm not mistaken, any DT member abusing the flag system would get blacklisted from DT. So why not test that theory and do the same to me, if you got black listed, means you were abusing it, if not then it would mean you were right. Then I can stop bothering to care for anything here and would simply block my account by using the secret question option to prevent myself from posting here. And no, there won't be any request to admins to unlock my account, because guess what? If the flag is approved and nobody is black listed afterwards, means I am on the wrong side of arguments after almost 7 years of being a member here.

So do me a favor and go ahead, but also note that if after posting the flag some one gets blacklisted, I would do the same as blocking my account, because I wouldn't want to stick around, since I could misuse the notion of being trustworthy, and might do something stupid in the future ending bad for the administration.

Either of those outcomes will make me a hero and would send some clear messages:

1- If someone trustworthy vouches for certain people, do not blindly trust those people and later complain that I trusted them because X vouched for them. (consider merit, trust feedback and verbal acknowledgement as "vouch")

2- Don't be a jerk to take advantage of other's trust in you. cough symm, cough GB cough others in the future.😉

3- Don't fight in an army that doesn't care for it's wounded soldiers on the battlefield.

Among so much nonsense it is not clear to me if in the end you are going to make a fool of yourself by creating a flag against Timelord2067 in the same way you have made a fool of yourself by creating one against icopress. I already told you that praying doesn't work for things in this life, maybe it works for the next one, but until we don't pass away we can't know.

Timelord2067 has questionable behaviors and in fact I have him on ignore, but there are several people in the forum who have made economic deals with him and left positive feedback for it, so a flag, which has to be created for economic reasons and not for issues of use of the trust system, looks pretty ridiculous too.

Stop testing the waters, you can't have a bargaining chip anymore, it's either you have lost your grip and can't think clearly any more, or you have something solid that can buy icopress flags and negative trust. So I'd suggest to drop all of them.
And there is no need to give permission to admin to go through your PMs, because icopress is not denying to have send those PMs.

By sharing all of the dirty PMs, everyone can decide on their own whether to trust icopress or not.

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Unless you consider yourself burned, and would like to get some hush money out of this situation, maybe you think you have lost your credibility and people no longer buy your words?

Of course you have already demonstrated your weakness when instead of tagging 1miau with red you left him a neutral, that was a clear sign of fear, showing that you are afraid to be more vulnerable, hence showing leniency, but when it comes to non DTs, you suddenly find courage. Nevertheless it's never too late for redemption.

OK so it turns out it was over three years ago!    Not only that, it turns out the issue wasn't even really about "manipulating the DT system."

@digaran hope you learned a thing or two about why you shouldn't open frivolous flags based on non-evidence.

It's funny how you interpret facts. Now I see that you are an even bigger liar than I thought.

1. I haven't communicated with you via PM for over 3 years or so.
2. You added me to your distrust list after I left counter feedback to the feedback you left to Webtricks, after which (about a year or so later I did the same for other reasons).

But what’s even more funny is that, having actually written several dozen posts since 2017, I was a simple “member” who had only 10 merits and in fact my first post after many years of absence was dated September 21, 2020. This newbie, being a naive guy, contacted you on the issue of incorrect use of the feedback system (and I sent a copy of the letters to Loyce and several other guys).

It’s also funny that you, being a coward, refused to help me because you were afraid of retaliatory measures against yourself, while admitting that the red tag that I received was not justified. Although this quote describes this situation best.  

I give permission for @theymos to verify this is an extract of a PM from icopress (one of a series)

 
There's more where that came from.

So, let's summarize what Digaran managed to find out.

1. It turns out that I am a dollar millionaire (please tell me where I keep the money so that I can take advantage of this opportunity).
2. The DT system is under my sole control.
3. Somehow Timelord receives PMs from me, despite the fact that 2/3 years ago he blacklisted me.

Digaran, if you want to know my weak points, just ask me and I will tell you. 

Please read OP, I have edited it to include my reasonable concerns, in 1, 2, 3 on the bottom of the OP.

You can't edit Flags, and you can only link a Flag to a topic (not a post). Since you've withdrawn the Flag: case closed.

Well, lol seems like I posted the thread OP as reference, while I wanted to link to Tl's post on that topic, do I need to "delete" opinion in order to edit the ref link? I'm on it.

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Edit:
This is embarrassing, I can't edit the ref link, damn, I can't even post a second flag, guess this scar will remain there for years and everyone clicking on it would think I'm an actual troll. Such a sad development. And I feel ashamed to PM admin to fix the ref link pointing to this topic.

Now I need to put my tail somewhere and hit the road. I don't know why every time I wanna do something serious it turns into a joke. My fate maybe. 😂

The reference link for your Flag has nothing to do with icopress. There's another reason I Opposed it: I don't "believe that anyone dealing with icopress is at a high risk of losing money". I've been in his campaigns for 6 months now, and haven't lost money.

You should withdraw your Flag. You shouldn't Flag someone "because someone else says something about a PM".

Which one is it going to be: am I "at high risk of losing money", or am I "being fed"? You can't pick both answers.

I  am not as involved with the DT system as I used to be, seeing as what I know about Theymos.   Icopress has worked with me a couple times in the past without no issues.   I rank my interaction with him/her higher than your third party complaint.  

Post the flag.  No need to ask public opinion.

Helena, good girl, listen.
I publicly reveal shady behaviour so everyone can have a reference, if some people are dangerous to have on DT and other DTs take no action to remove them, then admin will have the power to blacklist them manually if he sees fit, my job is to provide intel. That's all. Whether anyone cares and follow up on it, is not my concern.  Besides, now both icopress and Tl are under investigation, they'd behave decently just to avoid giving me more reasons to prove my case further, that alone is a good mechanism in place.

Nah.

If DTs not do something e.g. leave feedback, supporting/opposing a flag, etc, you will not get any punishment for that, as long as you not making multiple mistakes, you're fine.

Theymos isn't in favor to kick someone from DT network, except you can find the proof if someone is trusted by sock puppets.

I don't think this is correct, DT network ≠ reputation. Someone who're not a DT can be trusted i.e. DT isn't the only way to evaluate someone whether it's a scammer or legitimate.

Man my man, the first time ever I read your post was on my thread about 1meow(1rogue), or it was on a related topic to symm if I'm not mistaken, and you from the beginning started off about me, you kind of remind me of Citb0in, so when you start attacking someone without having any prior interaction history with them, it would make it too obvious for you to be an alt, (of someone regardless).

Oh, I know exactly how trust system works, if DT's don't act on something important, then the only solution would be for them to be blacklisted by admin, and the flag will also serve it's perfect purpose, not to mention a trust feedback would seal the deal later on.

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On a side note, I remember suggesting theymos to pay all staff members more than enough to make them not needing any active participation with alt accounts.  So I apologize  if any of the staff members have their alt enrolled under icopress managed campaigns, believe me I have nothing against you, and I hope that I never have said anything offending to any of your alt accounts inadvertently.

Okay, so unsurprisingly, you haven't figured out how the trust system works, otherwise you wouldn't be creating flags to prevent certain people from being in DT.


And then you woke up.

Please do note, I am not claiming either of them to be scammers, I just want them blacklisted from DT election for good, otherwise I have nothing against their livelihood.

As a matter of fact, icopress offered me a spot on a campaign, if I was a shady person, I would have moved my tail for him and sneaked into one of his managed campaigns by sucking up to him. This case has a great potential, 6-7 figures kind of potential, and that is where I come in, you guys could play your parts by "busting" bounty cheaters and small time scammers, which I truly respect(because that requires to spend time and a lot of efforts), but when it comes to serious stuff, don't mixup things. Please.

I don't know what you're wasting your time for. But at least now you don't get paid for bullshitting.


Some of us believe that God has no influence in the world of the living, in any case he could have set the initial rules so that everything would work and wait for us after death but no matter how much you pray to him you are not going to get people to listen to your bullshit.


Some of us don't hate you, in fact we laugh a lot at your bullshit.


Be careful, lest a right to honor lawsuit be filed against you.

 

I would say you don't have any case at all. This is literally the only thing he said in the thread you linked as your flag reference:


You're basing the flag on Timelord's hearsay, and now asking for PMs to be published after? None of this has anything to do with icopress' trustworthiness or ability to uphold trade agreements.

What compelled you to do this in the first place? If its not simple trolling, then I really don't understand.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63350408


Since I have posted a type 1 flag on icopress, I would like to make my case stronger, so do you have the PMs you claimed you have received from icopress, or did you lie? If you lied then I should apologize to him and withdraw my flag for wrongful accusation and then post a flag on you for the same reason as wrongful accusation and subtle extortion attempt.

If you have the PMs mentioned on the quote above, please share them here, since they are no longer private after you publicly talked about them, by keeping them a secret, you'll have the upper hands to manipulate icopress and blackmail him in the future if you haven't already received the hush money.

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Yes, yes, I know icopress is literally the hand that is feeding most of the DT members, and since they don't believe that God is the one providing for all, they won't support this case. And I love being hated for telling the truth, it works as incentive that I'm on the right path.

Ps, I go after big fishes with dangerous potentials.

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Edit:
1- The reason as to why I decided to post the flag is related to the fact that icopress is being accused by a legendary old timer for trust system manipulation, and the fact that I think they control the account of [banned mixer] , that service owner never replied to some concerning questions, these are 2 red flags so far, link to the mentioned ANN thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63331035

2- Then another red flag was raised when he offered to sell a fully functioning copy of [banned mixer] services to me for 17 BTC as if they own and control everything to a point where they have the freedom in offering such deals on behalf of their "clients", after all he is just a campaign manager and not a service representative on Bitcointalk, right? Link to said post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63394403

3- A few days ago, Timelord2067, made a mistake, he revealed a bargaining secret by telling that icopress has contacted him several times to collude and manipulate the trust system, if it's true, then consider this the third red flag, which you can read about it on the quote above.

Thank you for reading.