Topic: bc.game and stake.com originals casino games are 100% a scam (Read 414 times)

The sites usually advertise with "Provably fair". This allows you to understand the game and the outcome, why you won or lost. Have you recalculated this in these cases or had it recalculated using online tools?

Or do you think that this evaluation option is already manipulated? I play very few games of chance on such sites myself, but my experience has not been so negative.

The part about predetermined result of PF but casinos also have some manipulation of red streak is contradictive, is it not? With a predetermined result [that can be proven by PF], the outcome of a bet is already made prior to the game being ended, thus the only factor that could influence the result of winning or losing is the player's decision.

Claiming that a game's result is predetermined, yet a casino have some influence and can manipulate a losing streak will imply that they have control over player's decision, which I'd really like to hear how you theorize they managed to have such control.

OP, I am very familiar with playing BC.Game originals.  I was SVIP 25 and made millions of bets.  What you are saying about the losing streaks in games with 50% odds (and even greater odds) is 100% true.

I can't tell you how many times I've come out ahead by strategically raising and lowering bets when results tending to be more or less 50/50 as expected, and then a red streak that is exactly as long as my balance divided by my bet size occurs, usually 10-15 losses in a row. This almost always occurs immediately after raising the bet size.

I think the games are "provably fair" in the sense that the outcomes may be pre-determined. But there is some kind of manipulation in the frequency of these red streaks, and the fact that there are far more outcomes in the casino's favor than 50%. In my experience, if you play 50% odds, be prepared for 65-70% losses.

You are 100% correct, based on my experience with thousands of rounds and millions of bets. For example, I have seen a green streak of 10+ wins in a row occur 5 times when playing limbo. I know because I started keeping track. I have seen red streaks of 10+ losses in a row hundreds of times, and nearly every time I played.

From time to time you can come out ahead, but if you dare to raise your bet size while up, the 10+ loss streak will occur almost immediately.  And this will occur every single time.

Take my advice: do not play these games if you are gambling large sums of money.  You will never see the 1% house edge. Never. You may have an occasional green session, but the red sessions will occur 65-70% of the time -- and yes, this is with selecting multipliers advertised as having 50% to 60% odds of winning.  I understand why so many commented doubting your post, but they haven't played there like we have.  Rest assured, you are spot on. I recommend self-exclusion, because the way they dish out bonuses every day or every hour will keep you coming back, even though you know the results are BS.

I haven't played enough on stake to comment on that site.

I'm not someone who copy and paste crap from Google, when I understand and experience something myself then I give my opinion about it.
 
Can you prove that scam? I'm very sure you won't be able to prove anything against them because you aren't aware of the house edge thing and when you understand that house edge thing then you'll understand that the casino always has advantage over players when it comes to winning but there are some very lucky gamblers who can suppress that house edge and win against it.

We aren't defending any of the casinos but whatever you said is purely a theory. When you can't prove something then it's considered as a claim. Most of the gamblers who lose consistently come with such claims but in actual they can't prove anything.

So, this far, you complained that they're a 100% scam, got explained that there is a thing called PV, asked people to define PV in their own word, decided to not acknowledging it, and then you play again on the exact platform you complained and sure is a scam?

Sorry, what are we trying to achieve here?

This is just the right thing to do: stop playing there.
try to play for fun or at least don't wager amount "in order to recover loss".

moreover it's pretty clear you're not enjoing the experience... it's clear that not all players are having the same experience, that's why there are not only "scam accusations" everywhere.

Losing players always blame the site first. It would be so easy to just quit if you have suspicions over gameplay, but many that make these accusations always come back for some reason.
I also stopped playing at several sites in the past, even at stake over their hilarious casino outcomes and terrible sports odds.

Honestly, I also believe site manipulate games. I have some experience and between real life casinos and online the difference in horrendous runs ( pro casino ) really is staggering. Never had I ever lost more than 8 or 10 BJ hands in a row in a real casino, at stake once I lost 15 in a row and 21 of 23 ( plus some draws ) . Sure it might be "unlucky" but at stake at their originals I have never had a winning session , win/lose wise, if the session had more than 100 deals or throws.

I have made screenshot of my worst starts, it's so sad to look at them but they are a reminder of how bs these games are.
Just a small sample of starts into sessions:

Win / Lose

4/14
10/23
0/8
1/12
4/19
6/17
10/26
11/23
13/29
13/35
16/37

Starting sessions like this instantly breaks you. People and sites always talk about small sample sizes but how can you get a high sample size if you start like this.

Sometimes ( but really very rare ) I won at the start and managed to quit while I was ahead but playing a longer session it always ended up outside of the actual winning % as it is advertised. Dice and BJ really are the worst, even if you choose a high winning % the actual outcome is far away from that.

My advise at OP, stop playing and stop freaking out in this forum, it won't change anything.

You are a seriously deluded individual that does seem to require medical assistance in order to rectify your mental imbalance. You chose to place bets on BC.Game and Stake of your own volition yet the moment you realised you were encountering more losses than win you decided to create a thread about how you did nothing wrong yet they were 100% scam.

On top of that, for you to wish illness on another member (just because he asked you to provide evidence of the claims you chose to make) demonstrates you need mental health treatment or anger management treatment.

I have satisfaction in the knowledge I have added you to my ignore list and will never have to read any more nonsense from you and your known alt-accounts again:

Maasdamer
scammed-by-nitro
btcgrin-vic
Chahan

^ your aggressive behavior towards other user while you are consistently trying to taint casino reputation over your speculation about scam makes you received negative feedback.


You need to have more sample size in able to conclude that the result was rigged. Because you can experience the opposite result on your next sample size if you continue playing.

Your data looks like a bad luck result only given that it only involves 34 throws. I believe you are just making it a big deal because you bet huge amount our of that 34 throws.

You idiot do realize that these members made neg feedback over nothing. It is not fobidden to have alternate accounts here. I never participated in bounty or signature campaigns, never had any deal therefor I am not a risk or anything like that. But hey, you are just another fool that gets blinded by that, I understand. Retardation is a sickness, go deal with it yourself. Hope you get cancer, now fuck off.

BC is a scam site, I just lost another 30:4 games in a 34 throws on dice, on a 52% win chance. 35:8, yeah right.
Lose 12, win 3, lose 5, win 2, lose 10, win 2, lose 3, win 1 and then lose the last 1.
Every 2nd session I lose 80% or more bets with over 50% win chance, the other sessions I lose at least 60%.
Losing 10 and 12 in a row withing 1 minute is mathmatically crazy. Over 1000:1 and 4000:1 chance of losing like this, within 90 seconds. And it happens every single session. How do you explain that?

If anyone have doubt about manipulating live roulette spins, it's not secret that a house can control the ball with magnet and things. It's not a conspiracy anymore. Even in a live game where the table is surrounded by players, the house does it.

Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

Check an ancient method too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOc4sVA_vc

You do realise it is very difficult to accept what you claim purely as a result of you have two neutral and two negative tags on your profile (from three reputable members of the forum) but still taking a look at your claim at face value, in essence all that you are stating is that you lost on more occasions that you won. Is that a fair assumption?

If you are serious about anything you claim you should t least provide some form of evidence from when you deposited funds to when you played the games. Screenshots from the account area after logging in will be helpful too. At the moment, no evidence has been provided and all we have to go on is your word and that does not carry an weight with any member here.

Agreed. It´s very hard to have winning sessions in Stake original black jack and baccarat.

I have played plenty of sessions at Stake original black jack and baccarat. The max winning hands I won in a row was like 4. But the loosing streak have been at least 12 in a row several times. If you double every loss, you´ll end up with 10+ loosing hands in a matter of time.

My advice: Dont play stake originals.

lol I love these accounts defending these scammer sites. You have nothing better to do than this. Trust me, once you would actually play these games you will see. Predetermined outcome my ass, you only win when you are betting cents, once you raise the wager you will get hit by 10-15 losses in a row, the chance for that happening starting at 1000:1 but getting way more up every single time. Also, I have a feeling BC for example is skimming winnings. You lose much faster than win, even when you have even win/loss ratio and odds of 2.0. Once you play fast they are not crediting winnings, I am sure of that and I am not the only one with this opinion, I read several reports of that happening.
Fk BC and fk stake, these scammer companies are built on deception and fraud. There is no fair game. RTP is a myth, 50% bets lose at a 70% ratio.
100000:1 odds for the house happening every session while players can be happy if they win like 5 in row which is 32:1 .
I wish someone would come up with some insider information and real solid proof of what is happening behind closed curtains. Obviously nobody believes the players that are getting cheater, it needs a whistle blower to bring these fuks to justice.

I'm not trying to be with OP or saying that Stake & BC.game original casino games are 100% scam , I just want to share what I experienced with this original games. When I'm playing these original games its "FEELS like scam". Well not just at stake.com and bc.game but every casino where I play original games. For example everytime I place bet with big amount (let say like 100$ and lose) or even small amount and double it in next bet you know what will happen next, yeah L again. Yeah I'm just like OP that unlucky with it comes playing online casino original games.

Well maybe you really should watch the video, then you also wouldn't say there is 0 chance for it to be manipulated.
Roulette can be manipulated with magnets and small bursts of air. In this video it really looks super off. The ball gets to rest at a number and then totally gets kicked out to go somewhere else. There are laws of physics and in this one these laws are out of the door. 

But anyway, in my opinion there is always room for manipulation, that's why I stay away from it as good as I can.

Well 1 i didn't click the link as the guy is complaining about house games, not live games. Assume it's a plinko drop. Obviously live would have 0 chance to be manipulated.

Maybe I should click the link instead of assuming right?

Actually this is a "live roulette" table, this is not just for visual effect. I have seen the same video on reddit actually and it sure looks off. That's why I never use the stake casino. Too many ?? about these games in my opinion.

Don't know why you would not see/know this is live, it's more than obvious.

The ball you are seeing has really nothing to do with the result. It's just for visual effect, the result is already predetermined once you click bet. It's just something to make the game more entertaining for those betting.

**EDIT**

Didn't click the link as I rarely click them and the rant was about house games.

I somehow get an impression from your words, from the whole post, that you didn't grasp the full meaning of PF itself.

Provably fair, simplified, is like the casino set their own result of the game just the game being played, encrypted in a server seed. The client can add their own influence of that outcome through their own seed [client seed]. And we add a more complicating factor called nonce, one that ensures even if we replicate the same server and client seed, for our next round, the end result will not be the same as nonce will not be the same.

The end result is the combination of serve seed + client seed + nonce.

To put it more simply, PF means no one, literally no one can influence the result of the game. Not you, not the casino. If a dice game gives a final result of 10, and you placed 25, that's not the casino replacing the original number [let's assume they're originally 25] just to make you lose. The number has been "predetermined" before the dice rolled by the combination of above.

Likewise, you can't manipulate the game so that it shows 25 instead of 10.

And ultimately, provably fair means you can cross-check that your game is indeed a losing bet, that it's not 25, by putting those elements into the provably fair analyzer, and see whether the outcome is just like what that round said or not.

Now, what make me think you don't grasp the full meaning of PF is because you complained that you win 3 times and then lose 10 consecutive lost. Had these rounds be checked by you?

What's wrong with others if these two are scam? Gambling platforms are not for you to make money, it's there to enjoy the entertainment. If you start beating the houses then the houses will bankrupt. You are their customer.

You can verify the outcome.

Ok, please explain to me this porvably fair bullshit, in your own words please, not copy pasting some crap from google.
BC game and stake running a huge scam on their original games. You cannot win. Win 3 in a row and you get followed by 10 losses, every single time. BC gives a shit about their players, the support non existant as well.These outcomes never happen in a real life casino, only at manipulated games like these sites are running.All you idiots defending these scam sites are a joke to me.

How about this video for example, you think a ball moves like this? https://www.reddit.com/r/gambling/comments/1bqk7lg/insane_ball_spin_i_was_arguing_saying_how_stake/

I must say that OP is not a lucky gambler at all and that's why he faces so many losses one after one. OP instead of blaming those sites I think you must try to learn about the provably fair system and all those games come with that system.

The casinos can't manipulate that system so it's your own luck that made you lose all those bets consecutively. You should take a break from gambling and try something else or you may try sports betting if you're not sure about casino games.

LMAO, sorry. Dictionary must have left my brain for a moment when I posted that. I didn't mean to "disregard" your feedback. I was trying to say, "I'll set Mahdirakib's feedback aside for a moment, but even doing so, you do aware that [...]" and so on, in a sense that "even without counting Mahdirakib's feedback into consideration, you sounded like you just venting up your frustration upon losing in streak."

You may ignore the feedback, not the truth . OP isn't new to gambling, he knows how everything works. Still, he won't stop complaining as he is unable to control the emotion after losing his bankroll. He was complaining about his losses in the casinos ANN thread before, now he decided to take further steps by creating unnecessary scam accusations. OP is still playing on Stake even though he showed dissatisfaction about Stake bonus in 2021: Stake.com lying and cheating its "VIP" customers

you gotta provide the details when you are accusing casinos including the proof and pieces of evidence. everybody can claim and just walk away after saying they are scams but having evidence will make your word the truth. but if not then you are just one of those butt-hurt kids who consecutively lost 3 times in a dice game and shout scam.

we are aware some casinos are doing insane stuff but at least provide something for the readers to know how they scammed you. or you are lying.

Can you do something to prove your claims? Export your rolls, share screenshots, or better than all... Show that the provable fairness your wagers happened under wasn't actually fair?

Stake's original games are actually provably fair. Even the slots! So the results are predetermined. You can change your wager amount and Stake won't be able to do anything because every single roll is determined in prior.
So before making such accusations you may as well read a bit about how gambling works and how provably fair algorithms can be used to verify rolls are fair. Don't just go out of your way attacking a casino if you don't know anything about these things otherwise you're just making a fool of yourself.

Have you try to expose their "100% scam" behavior through the PV method they provides? If you haven't, please do. Come back here with evidence of it, we'll surely take a look into them.

And for the bolded part, I understand you're ok with winning 4-6 times in a row, didn't question their provability etc., but outraged when you lose in a row?

To me this sounds like youre salty because you lost money you shouldnt have lost...
"in a row" isnt correct, as youre not "alone" at the table, while youre losing someone else is winning...
Read up on "provably fair" or better yet, dont gamble with money you arent prepared to lose.

You people should listem to yourselves.
Still it's simple math probability. You don't lose 10 or 15 in a row every 3 minutes, that doesn't happen in a fair game. The odds of this happening once in a session are already tiny, but several times within a short time span? Impossible!
And as I said, in every session I win like 4-6 in a row from time to time, not more. But losing 10-15 in a row several times on a 49% chance is just insanity. If I would win 10-15 at least 1 time it's ok, but I never do. Every session I lose the majority of spins, by a wide margin while I should win at least half of them. I am aware of sample size and so on, but if I lose the majority every single time even though the odds are slighltly in my favor this is impossible.By the way, just tried another one of BC's original scam games, Limbo. And I lost 27 times in a row on a 25% win chance. 27 in a row, yet insanity again.

BC and Stake are a scam. Everybody knows it, reddit and their forums are full of it. People are losing 20 BJ hands in a row on these sites, but you clowns say it's all good, haha.

That's not how you calculate winning chances. You can't say a coin has two sides, so if I throw it in the air, it will land on heads 5 times and on tails 5 times. It can land all 10 times on the same side or end up with any combinations you can think of. Regardless of the outcome, your chance of predicting the correct side is still 50%.

The results of provably fair games can be checked publicly. Like others have said, do some research on how that is done and check if the outcomes were fair.

OP, you do know that all rolls are individual right ? That's no such thing as losing in a row because it's not a row but each rolls are individual and not linked to each other. With that you can also hit 99 reds. There's no beating the house in the long run or even short depending on your luck.

You can check the results of the rolls on stake and verify they are not manipulating your rolls. 51% chance does not mean every other roll should be a winner. You will see streaks of green and streaks of red, but will only remember the red streaks.

I would suggest maybe take a break and find the meaning of terms such as probably fair, gamblers fallacy, and learn how to use the verifier that stake offers and how to verify a roll. Once you have a better understanding, maybe take another shot.

Ignoring what Mahdirakib's feedback said about you... you do aware that their games are provably fair? And you do understand what provably fair means and how it works?

At this point, I am failed to see any strong basis to say that this thread is a scam accusation against Stake or BC. It's more like... a complaint and venting up after a big loss, and those two are definitely not justified as a reason to call a platform or two scam.

Please come back with strong supporting evidence or lock this thread.

These 2 sites are blatantly scamming their users in their originals games.Today I lost dice games on both sites with crazy losing runs that are against any logic or math. Stake, just now I lost 28 of 30 51% win chance rolls on dice. Losing 10 in a row, win 1, losing 8 in a row, win 1, losing 12 in a row. 12 in a row alone is a 4000:1 chance of this happening, 10 in a row 1000:1 and 8 is 256:1. And it happens against myself within 90 seconds. Needless to say it happens every single session at this scam site.

BC.game is even worse, I am losing 15 in a row in every session. Always losing 10 or more in a row to close a session while the max wins in every session in a row is like 4-6. But obviously when winning 4 you will lose 7 right after.
At a win chance of 51% statistically I should have more wins than losses but every single session is a loser, every single one. This has nothing to do with house edge before one of the smart guys here posts this bs, house edge only has an influence on profit/loss, not on the win/loss percentage. Don't play at these sites, they will steal from you, bleed you dry and laugh in your face.