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Topic: Be careful of $5 wrench attacks! Also, of thieves armed with Toblerone bars! (Read 838 times)

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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.

1000000% True if you had ton of crypto bitcoin and the other is always better keep a secret.



I always tell everyone that they should make at least 2 wallet the hot wallet that everyone know and the cold wallet that only you know. Because flexing your net worth is really scarry nowadays because like the song from Twenty one pilot
"You'll never know the psychopath sitting next to you
You'll never know the murderer sitting next to you"
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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.
The problem is that you can never be too private when it comes to this kind of things anyway because most likely you have a friend that you have a confidence to share this kind of thing without the worry that they might steal from you, that's just how it is, most likely the attackers know the woman or at least was hired (most likely) by someone that she knows and that person knows that she owns this big stash of bitcoins because I don't think that any random criminal yahoo is going to target someone because they know themselves that they've got a bitcoin, most lowlifes tend to go for easier targets like jewelries and cash, anything outside that is going to be a different story. That Toblerone bar's probably just a disguise or something.
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Okay I understand the machate part, like that is what a robber may do, and I understand entering someone's house, these are all terrible things that people have done before and there isn't any way that we would stop these from happening, world will have bad people along with the good, that's something we just have to get used to.

However, the part I do not understand... Toblerone bar? Lol, what the hell is that, someone used a toblerone bar to scare or even hit someone with it? That makes absolutely no sense, hell a stick from any tree would have been more reasonable than this, using a toblerone bar, even if you fill it full of iron instead of chocolate, makes absolutely no sense to anyone at all and definitely not a "weapon". At that point, she was probably just scared there were three men there, you could have zero weapons, and she would still be scared, they could kill her with their bare hands, so there is really no reason to not to be afraid.
You are right robberies and break ins are bad things that happen. But mentioning Toblerone bar as weapon seems strange. Using Toblerone bar to hurt someone does not make sense even if it is filled with iron. Stick from tree would be more frightening. Victim was probably scared because three men were there not because of chocolate bar. Having multiple people threatening you is scary no matter what they have. Danger of getting hurt is real even if they do not have strange object like Toblerone bar.
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Okay I understand the machate part, like that is what a robber may do, and I understand entering someone's house, these are all terrible things that people have done before and there isn't any way that we would stop these from happening, world will have bad people along with the good, that's something we just have to get used to.

However, the part I do not understand... Toblerone bar? Lol, what the hell is that, someone used a toblerone bar to scare or even hit someone with it? That makes absolutely no sense, hell a stick from any tree would have been more reasonable than this, using a toblerone bar, even if you fill it full of iron instead of chocolate, makes absolutely no sense to anyone at all and definitely not a "weapon". At that point, she was probably just scared there were three men there, you could have zero weapons, and she would still be scared, they could kill her with their bare hands, so there is really no reason to not to be afraid.
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Privacy and security are very important. The woman could have discussed about bitcoin to someone or people which could be where those robbers know she has bitcoin. It could even be on social media that the robbers noticed that.

Also we should be careful of P2P transactions. Know when to use coin control and mixers. Most people do not know about this, making people to easily trace their coins.

Have different wallets. Feature like dures mode on Unstoppable wallet can be helpful.
One of the most dangerous but true actions made by most of the victims who  I think got robbed has shared this on social media or might be telling other people about holding crypto publicly and this stupid decision will lead to harmful consequences.
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Aren't we always practicing about Bitcoin privacy? Privacy is a very important part of our lives; it could save your money and life as well. Forget about crypto; imagine you are a rich person and you have a lot of money. Your neighbour or relatives ask you to borrow some money from them. If you don't do it, then they will turn into your enemy. So when someone from your neighbourhood or relatives knows about your crypto and they know you are holding a decent amount, then they might become your enemy as well. So they might attack you in various ways. Always need to maintain the privacy when you have crypto and funds. 
I am not a rich but I started working at a very yearly age and when my friends were seeing that I was earning money, they all were begging me to give it to them, to buy a beer for friends, they were like parasites.
Btw when I collected one Bitcoin first time, I was talking about it with many people but when price started rising, many people came to me like aren't you the one who owns one Bitcoin? Don't you wanna spend it with friends? Then I realized that I shouldn't speak about my money with everyone and should protect my privacy. That was the moment when I used a mixer and changed my Bitcoin wallet address. Privacy is very important or we will attract parasites and criminals. It's sad that some people are punished for hard work and wealth by lazy criminals.
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I am curios as to how the robbers got to know about their bitcoin holdings. Did she discussed about bitcoin to anybody out there before that day?  or  the possibility of registering with a local exchange where they must have gotten her details to have tracked her to her home and attack her.

Looking at the image above as one of the things  used to carrying such act, I believe sometimes things happens maybe just to create an impression for people to see either in good or bad ways.  How are we sure that they intentionally did use the above equipment just to discredit the company for reasons best known to them alone. Some times people act in that way and they end up tarnishing the reputation of others at their own interest.
She could have discussed about her Bitcoin portfolio with know people for the thieves to have traced her. We don't actually know how the thieves get to know about her Bitcoin portfolio but I think we need to learn from this so we don't also fall victim. Few people could have had the same experience because of their frequent discussions about Bitcoin and what they have benefited from the crypto space. Is high time we keep our holdings private and never to disclose how much we could worth considering our crypto holdings. Their are so much to learn from incidence like this one.
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Privacy and security are very important. The woman could have discussed about bitcoin to someone or people which could be where those robbers know she has bitcoin. It could even be on social media that the robbers noticed that.

Also we should be careful of P2P transactions. Know when to use coin control and mixers. Most people do not know about this, making people to easily trace their coins.

Have different wallets. Feature like dures mode on Unstoppable wallet can be helpful.

You are right, there is someone who knows about the woman and also knows that she is holding a Bitcoin, no matter how smart a person or a Harm robber is they can not see you and bring out something that you should transfer a Bitcoin without not knowing about you, people who are close to you are those people that might Inform them or join hands together so that they can have your coin, this life you have to be careful with those who you call friends and family because your success is always their problem, some people are not happy that you are holding bitcoin or you are into crypto and you are making a profit from it.

Privacy and security are very important and we have to learn how to keep our secrets to ourselves, we don't need to tell anyone the sources of our income, we have seen many people die because they reveal to the people who are close to them that they have made without not thinking of what will happen at the end, we need to be careful with ourselves and always learn from people and examples we see because some of us will see this post and still decide to be showing his or herself until the same thing happen to them.
We do know that older people or to those who are sitting into those senior age category are really that most likely that missing out those important things and would really be that confidently be trying out to make transactions around and making themselves that too obvious, and since we do know that crypto is already that becoming a trend then you could really be able to expect around that there would really be those individuals who would really be taking advantage and just waiting up for the right time for them to steal up your coins no matter what the actions that they needed to be doing so. They would really be that making things to be less obvious as much as possible and this is why toblerone bars that comes up into their idea on which whom would really be expecting that those things could fit on there and be used on such crime?

This is why if you do really value your security then it will really be that ideal to be keeping yourself mouth shut and making crypto transactions as discrete as possible. You dont even know on who would be the one
will really be having those bad intentions into you specially if they've known that you have lots of coins. Even into our relatives and friends then there's no way that we could put up that 100% trust.
Money could changed up peoples behavior and change up colors in a snap and would really be trying to take things away from you.
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I thought this was a joke first. But I guess it makes the suspect less threatening if the victims saw him carrying what seems to be a harmless huge chocolate bar.

Well, to be honest about it, the Toblerone bar was found in the room by the robbers, they just picked something up to beat the victim, they didn't come armed with it.

But what's apparently more interesting is why the prosecutors who seized 23.5BTC from a 2020 robbery are allowed to convert them to cash. Those coins are stolen assets; why aren't they returned as they are? If the authorities seize a stolen bike, which specific provision of the law allows them to convert that bike into cash?

I don't trust Cointelegraph with journalistic practice but I wonder when the conversion was made, whether they had the permission of the owner, and why the high court decided to assign value to the asset based on the price during the commission of the crime and not during the conversion of the coins. Or better yet, why not return the entire proceeds of the conversion? Did they retain a good amount for themselves?

Cointelegraph just took it from BBC and they made the article from here:
https://www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/news/2023/november/lanarkshire-man-convicted-following-the-high-value-theft-of-cryptocurrency-in-blantyre/

You can read the court decision here:
https://judiciary.scot/home/sentences-judgments/sentences-and-opinions/2023/11/28/hma-v-john-ross-rennie

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because it involves you receiving and distributing the proceeds of a robbery amounting to a sum in excess of £100,000, as well as siphoning some of the proceeds for yourself.

They didn't seize those coins, they sized some crypto and other goods and funds, he had already changed those coins and sent a part to the actual robbers, getting something like 35 000 for himself at that time. A bit misleading but it can be ignored,  not the worst thing the media has done and in this case, there is indeed a case of the authorities really playing with words on the whole about what crypto they seized and when.

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Weaponized Toblerones is wild.
 
We obviously need to ban Toblerones and only allow the sale of separately packed Toblerone bits.  Roll Eyes Tongue
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Privacy and security are very important. The woman could have discussed about bitcoin to someone or people which could be where those robbers know she has bitcoin. It could even be on social media that the robbers noticed that.

Also we should be careful of P2P transactions. Know when to use coin control and mixers. Most people do not know about this, making people to easily trace their coins.

Have different wallets. Feature like dures mode on Unstoppable wallet can be helpful.

You are right, there is someone who knows about the woman and also knows that she is holding a Bitcoin, no matter how smart a person or a Harm robber is they can not see you and bring out something that you should transfer a Bitcoin without not knowing about you, people who are close to you are those people that might Inform them or join hands together so that they can have your coin, this life you have to be careful with those who you call friends and family because your success is always their problem, some people are not happy that you are holding bitcoin or you are into crypto and you are making a profit from it.

Privacy and security are very important and we have to learn how to keep our secrets to ourselves, we don't need to tell anyone the sources of our income, we have seen many people die because they reveal to the people who are close to them that they have made without not thinking of what will happen at the end, we need to be careful with ourselves and always learn from people and examples we see because some of us will see this post and still decide to be showing his or herself until the same thing happen to them.
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In these latter days I  notice more than often  crypto cards used  at PoS terminals and this tendency is good as it evidences the increase of crypto popularity. But< at the same time, their owners  can be easily sported by criminals who are out for crypto. I also have crypto cards and  to prevent myself from  "toblrerone attack" I don't use them directly when paying for goods. Instead I have added them into my Apple Pay and communicate with PoS terminals via mobile with closed protected case which are not transparent for picking eyes. This is small trick but probably it could help to somebody.
Doesn't it look a bit contradictory? At first, bitcoiners dreamed of crypto cards, and having received this, they start to be "a bit shy" to use it directly because of the threat of "toblerone attack" by intruders? Smiley Both crypto and regular money can be stolen and robbed. Even any bank cards, but this doesn't push you to use workarounds with Apple Pay or something else, right. Wanted to get crypto cards - got them, well, if so, then use them, and don't invent alternative options instead of their intended purpose.Smiley

I think "tableroners" consider crypto as an easy grab (they just think that it is more hard to track them after robbery) when  comparing  with the  regular money thus they pay attention to crypto cards more than often. Thus any workaround (including disguising such cards via  Apple/Google Pay) is nice to have. BTW, Tangem is  alive to the importance of the matter and issued stealth cards - new discrete cold wallet.
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These are interesting times indeed. People are robbed of their crypto with weird weapons, one with a $5 wrench here, another with a Toblerone bar there, and many others with big tits. Grin

But what's apparently more interesting is why the prosecutors who seized 23.5BTC from a 2020 robbery are allowed to convert them to cash. Those coins are stolen assets; why aren't they returned as they are? If the authorities seize a stolen bike, which specific provision of the law allows them to convert that bike into cash?

I don't trust Cointelegraph with journalistic practice but I wonder when the conversion was made, whether they had the permission of the owner, and why the high court decided to assign value to the asset based on the price during the commission of the crime and not during the conversion of the coins. Or better yet, why not return the entire proceeds of the conversion? Did they retain a good amount for themselves?
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Is a guy carrying a 4.5-kilogram chocolate bar following you? He might be innocent but he might also be after your Bitcoin!
https://cointelegraph.com/news/scotland-first-ever-bitcoin-seized-toberlone-robbery-case

I thought this was a joke first. But I guess it makes the suspect less threatening if the victims saw him carrying what seems to be a harmless huge chocolate bar.

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The court heard last year that three men conducted the home invasion in the town of Blantyre, southeast of Glasgow, and one repeatedly beat a woman at the property with a personalized Toblerone bar and threw her into a bedroom.
The victim, who isn’t named for legal reasons, testified that he awoke to find a man standing over him with a machete before he was forced to transfer Bitcoin.

More and more house invasions are happening recently and a lot of them are in pursuit of bitcoin. These victims are not randomly chosen as not everyone could have had bitcoin and it would be pointless to threaten someone who doesn’t know anything about it. This is once again reminder to not tell anyone about whether you are holding bitcoin or not and how much you are holding. Also have some self defense devices on you or at your house at all times. It will be useful.
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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.


that's a good choice, it's better if we don't show off all our wealth to our friends or people around us because behind our success there must be someone who is jealous of us.
Live like ordinary people so that criminals don't intend to steal all the wealth we have.
In my country there was also a robbery, where the robber stole all the victim's jewelry and then the robber also asked for all the Bitcoin they had to be transferred to the robber's wallet, but the victim's husband did not want to send their Bitcoin and finally the victim's husband died because he was killed by the robber. This robbery happened because the wife of the murdered husband often showed off their wealth on social media.
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What stopped the robber from hitting you with a hammer over your fingers every time you say you don't have any more Bitcoins in some other wallet, he has nothing to lose but a few minutes while if you keep denying you will end without a hand, how long do you think you will be able to hide your second stash and not utter a single word about it in such conditions?
The robber will torture you in this way if they had enough information about you before pulling off the attack, if they know you are very rich in BTC and you are showing them a few hundreds, they are surely going to torture you real bad. I always recommend setting up a passphrase, and loading the base wallet with a convincing amount of money, it can help one claim plausible deniability and if you're lucky it can save you.
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In these latter days I  notice more than often  crypto cards used  at PoS terminals and this tendency is good as it evidences the increase of crypto popularity. But< at the same time, their owners  can be easily sported by criminals who are out for crypto. I also have crypto cards and  to prevent myself from  "toblrerone attack" I don't use them directly when paying for goods. Instead I have added them into my Apple Pay and communicate with PoS terminals via mobile with closed protected case which are not transparent for picking eyes. This is small trick but probably it could help to somebody.
Doesn't it look a bit contradictory? At first, bitcoiners dreamed of crypto cards, and having received this, they start to be "a bit shy" to use it directly because of the threat of "toblerone attack" by intruders? Smiley Both crypto and regular money can be stolen and robbed. Even any bank cards, but this doesn't push you to use workarounds with Apple Pay or something else, right. Wanted to get crypto cards - got them, well, if so, then use them, and don't invent alternative options instead of their intended purpose.Smiley
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So a guy breaks into a home and terrorizes two people, and the only consequences mentioned are six months of unpaid work and a suspended sentence? Great to be a thug in Scotland I guess.

He was the guy who tipped them about the victim owning Bitcoin, the prosecutors seem to have made a deal on him ratting out the assailants.

I don't know what country do you live but in most European countries there is no problem getting a "sport" gun license and additionally "European Firearms Pass" that allows you to travel with your gun in the European Union.
Not all countries allow to EDC, I happen to live in a country where it's legal to carry and to use what ever means necessary (including firearm) to protect yourself.

The EFP won't do any good for protection, you can only have competition guns which are useless, or hunting guns for small game, so the ammunition is one problem and the gun the other, a hunting rifle as self-defense in a fast attack when you're; taken by surprise is useless.


Safe diversification is very important in this kind of scenarios. If one has more than one safe where they keep their Bitcoin holdings, even in situations were you are attacked, the robbers can not have any clues you saved your assets in multiple wallets and you might just show them the least wallet savings and they go away with that one alone thinking its all they have taken.

What stopped the robber from hitting you with a hammer over your fingers every time you say you don't have any more Bitcoins in some other wallet, he has nothing to lose but a few minutes while if you keep denying you will end without a hand, how long do you think you will be able to hide your second stash and not utter a single word about it in such conditions?

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cell phones of any kind that can make a payment are all subject to five dollar wrench attack.

in New York City there was a gay bar ring that would drug a person at the bar use the fingerprint to open the phone and wipe out the funds on the phone.

Let me find the link.

a few died from the drugged drinks. 🍹

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-robbery-crews-eyed-in-more-than-40-manhattan-druggings-and-people-are-dying-officials/4193190/
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Let's be realistic, I've heard enough of this 'don't let them know', how are you going to make it possible? I don't have this much of Bitcoin but everyone in my family knows that I am into crypto trading and investing, the only way they won't know is if you are not working at home and online, maybe you started your money making journey with a business and you silently start investing in crypto.
If there is no way you can use BTC without your family knowing, then you should also tell them about the risks of using BTC, which includes the risk of a $5 wrench attack, so they should not go about telling people that you have BTC if they don't want to be tied alongside you as criminals torture you to send them your coins.
I can't watch my cousins going through hard times and not teach them about crypto because in the end I will be the one they will come to for help.
Telling people about crypto would not change their financial situation if they don't have money to buy BTC, or if they don't have knowledge and skills that they can offer for BTC or crypto.
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In these latter days I  notice more than often  crypto cards used  at PoS terminals and this tendency is good as it evidences the increase of crypto popularity. But< at the same time, their owners  can be easily sported by criminals who are out for crypto. I also have crypto cards and  to prevent myself from  "toblrerone attack" I don't use them directly when paying for goods. Instead I have added them into my Apple Pay and communicate with PoS terminals via mobile with closed protected case which are not transparent for picking eyes. This is small trick but probably it could help to somebody.
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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.


Let's be realistic, I've heard enough of this 'don't let them know', how are you going to make it possible? I don't have this much of Bitcoin but everyone in my family knows that I am into crypto trading and investing, the only way they won't know is if you are not working at home and online, maybe you started your money making journey with a business and you silently start investing in crypto.

How about people like myself that start making money from Bitcoin and slowly start using the money to establish other business? There were times where I need to teach and take some online classes, the moment you start making money your family member will come closer seeking for some knowledge, I can't watch my cousins going through hard times and not teach them about crypto because in the end I will be the one they will come to for help.

There is a saying that betrayers on the inside is what open doors for the attacks from the outside, but in my own case I prefer security, just be careful of your surroundings and know very well the people you choose to be closer to, even when I need to help a family member I always choose the one that are so far away from me, because not all family members can be trusted.
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Privacy is just necessary, every body can be a suspect or a danger when it comes to deal with funds. Most persons do take it as a flex to show case how much worth of Bitcoin/cryptocurrencies they own and forget about the dangers behind such slim thought of action.

In that process of robbery, anything could have happened which may not have been the plans of the robbers, it is better to be guided than being a victim of robbery or even more.
This is why I always say in every robbery action there is a loophole around that area; either the victim was the one who indirectly sold himself out to those who robbed him or those who are close to him and are aware of their asset could possibly be the ones who sold him out.
 
But sometimes we can never be too sure if we are taking all the security precautions on how to protect ourselves from danger because there is nothing as bad as having someone who is monitoring you as a person without you realising it. Any bit of mistake can give them all the clues they need. 
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Aren't we always practicing about Bitcoin privacy? Privacy is a very important part of our lives; it could save your money and life as well. Forget about crypto; imagine you are a rich person and you have a lot of money. Your neighbour or relatives ask you to borrow some money from them. If you don't do it, then they will turn into your enemy. So when someone from your neighbourhood or relatives knows about your crypto and they know you are holding a decent amount, then they might become your enemy as well. So they might attack you in various ways. Always need to maintain the privacy when you have crypto and funds. 
Privacy is just necessary, every body can be a suspect or a danger when it comes to deal with funds. Most persons do take it as a flex to show case how much worth of Bitcoin/cryptocurrencies they own and forget about the dangers behind such slim thought of action.

In that process of robbery, anything could have happened which may not have been the plans of the robbers, it is better to be guided than being a victim of robbery or even more.
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So if you don't already have a gun, buy one (or get smashed to death by a toblerone). Glock is the best life insurance  Wink
AFAIK, some countries don't even give out licenses or permits to ordinary citizens who'd like to purchase guns for protection... An easier solution that doesn't involve violence from our side is to have passphrase-protected wallets [multi-sig setups can also be another alternative].

The problem is when the attacker knows how much you have by somehow getting your wallet address, Monero solves this by encrypting amounts.

But even with Monero, you can be tortured to death, even if you actually don't have any money but they think you are lying to them.

I don't know what country do you live but in most European countries there is no problem getting a "sport" gun license and additionally "European Firearms Pass" that allows you to travel with your gun in the European Union.
Not all countries allow to EDC, I happen to live in a country where it's legal to carry and to use what ever means necessary (including firearm) to protect yourself.

If I couldn't get it legally, I would buy it on DNM - my life and my family is more important than some laws written by politicians who live in their 24/7 guarded houses.

If your country does allow you to get a license and you still think it's unnecessary because laws will protect you, you are deserving all the evil that's coming in your way.
Don't be one of this snowflakes... get a gun. If not for yourself, do it for the safety of your family.

Without a gun your life is in the hands of people who will attack you, police will not magically materialize to help you and even if they did - they mostly don't know how to use their own guns that they are given to protect you.
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So a guy breaks into a home and terrorizes two people, and the only consequences mentioned are six months of unpaid work and a suspended sentence? Great to be a thug in Scotland I guess.

There are a few ways to do fucked up stuff and get away with it, but they all rely on the police botching their investigation by forcing you to make a confession, searching your house without a probable cause, and basically doing anything in the build-up to the the trial that would suggest to a judge that the evidence was gathered unlawfully, even if it happened to be true.
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I remember about 10 years ago, I bought a bitcoin ASIC from an individual. He wanted to get paid in Bitcoin instead of cash. This ASIC was old and obsolete and I bought it mostly for hobby use.

He brought the ASIC along with his big laptop and said he will have me scan the QR code on his Bitcoin Wallet and ill send the funds over. Well he loaded his bitcoin wallet on his laptop and I see he had $400K worth of Bitcoins at the time. I told him that its not wise showing that you are in possession of these many coins. Never tell anyone how many coins you have. I think he said after he will just get some Crypto wallet on his phone, I think the only one at that time was Blockchain app and use that instead.

Examples like this are the reason why many are getting robbed of their bitcoins these days.
Well, that guy you've dealt with found a good guy then. If he has dealt with bad guys then for sure that his Bitcoins were forcefully stolen from him. When was this? if he's got around $400k worth of Bitcoins by that time then now it's more worthier and the value of it has increased a lot. People should remain low profile so that they won't be known that they're holding Bitcoins even it's just 1 or 2, everyone needs to protect themselves by being private and not too showy.
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$5 wrench attacks are becoming more and more popular, recently i have seen a handful of stories about it and it is scary to be honest. The recommendation is surely not to tell anyone about your funds in BTC, but some people learnt about that late and even if they have since stopped telling people they own BTC, they are still at risk from those they told initially. There is also a risk of attackers trying to steal fiat from you, and then they see you also own BTC.

Extending your seed phrase with a passphrase is one way to avoid a $5 wrench attack, it won't work on attackers who knew you had BTC before they came for you, but it will work on attackers that came to rob you of fiat, only to find out you own BTC.
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I remember about 10 years ago, I bought a bitcoin ASIC from an individual. He wanted to get paid in Bitcoin instead of cash. This ASIC was old and obsolete and I bought it mostly for hobby use.

He brought the ASIC along with his big laptop and said he will have me scan the QR code on his Bitcoin Wallet and ill send the funds over. Well he loaded his bitcoin wallet on his laptop and I see he had $400K worth of Bitcoins at the time. I told him that its not wise showing that you are in possession of these many coins. Never tell anyone how many coins you have. I think he said after he will just get some Crypto wallet on his phone, I think the only one at that time was Blockchain app and use that instead.

Examples like this are the reason why many are getting robbed of their bitcoins these days.
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So if you don't already have a gun, buy one (or get smashed to death by a toblerone). Glock is the best life insurance  Wink
AFAIK, some countries don't even give out licenses or permits to ordinary citizens who'd like to purchase guns for protection... An easier solution that doesn't involve violence from our side is to have passphrase-protected wallets [multi-sig setups can also be another alternative].

but there are only so much we can be private when it comes to friends and relative
Exactly and that's actually one of the biggest issues because you usually can't stop them from mentioning it to other people.

So a guy breaks into a home and terrorizes two people, and the only consequences mentioned are six months of unpaid work and a suspended sentence?
From my understanding, they're still not sure if he was one of the three men who did those awful things... So far, he seems to be responsible for trying to exchange those bitcoins into other forms.
- I also disagree with the light sentence (BTW, only the suspended sentence is for six months... The 150 hours of unpaid work equates to roughly 17 days on 8 AM to 5 PM shifts).
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Is a guy carrying a 4.5-kilogram chocolate bar following you? He might be innocent but he might also be after your Bitcoin!
https://cointelegraph.com/news/scotland-first-ever-bitcoin-seized-toberlone-robbery-case
So a guy breaks into a home and terrorizes two people, and the only consequences mentioned are six months of unpaid work and a suspended sentence? Great to be a thug in Scotland I guess.
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I am curios as to how the robbers got to know about their bitcoin holdings. Did she discussed about bitcoin to anybody out there before that day?  or  the possibility of registering with a local exchange where they must have gotten her details to have tracked her to her home and attack her.
......learn to always diversify our investment portfolio, so that if in case you are unlucky to be robbed, you will still be able to have the rest coins safe.
Safe diversification is very important in this kind of scenarios. If one has more than one safe where they keep their Bitcoin holdings, even in situations were you are attacked, the robbers can not have any clues you saved your assets in multiple wallets and you might just show them the least wallet savings and they go away with that one alone thinking its all they have taken.

In some cases of wallets loss or misplaced keys, this method of storing assets in multiple wallets could also help because not all your assets would be in the wallet your lost access to. You can easily get over it because you have some of your assets still stored elsewhere you can easily access it without the stress of thinking about the one you lost access to.
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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.

That would be something to look into with that much Bitcoin on your portfolio. Eventually, the holding strategy doesn’t give much room for spending does it? That could be the case of the victim, holding for dear life they say as, you don’t get to devalue what you’ve accumulated not knowing, you could be a victim of such robbery some day.
The best that could be done is staying absolutely silent on your investments but, the need to carry some friends and family along often makes people break that rule and lands investors in trouble.
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Exactly, I've had same thoughts going in my head, the theives would've taken his jewelries, valueable items or even fiat money but they chose to beat him out of his consciousness and ask him to transfer his Bitcoin

They took everything of value:
https://www.scotland.police.uk/what-s-happening/news/2023/november/lanarkshire-man-convicted-following-the-high-value-theft-of-cryptocurrency-in-blantyre/
Why is the Toblerone robbery event only now reaching us? It surprises me that news about this didn't come out earlier this year.

the details were not released till one of those involved was convicted, that was back in 2023, now the news resurfaced because of the bitcoin being seized, but no at the time of the robbery the detail about the beating with the Toblerone bar was not known.

Nice reminder op. I have seen a couple of posts about $5 wrench attacks on the forum too.

There is a list tracking some of those:
https://github.com/jlopp/physical-bitcoin-attacks?tab=readme-ov-file
of course incomplete as a lot ofvictims don't go to the police or the police don't make them public but it's still growing
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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.

Exactly, I've had same thoughts going in my head, the theives would've taken his jewelries, valueable items or even fiat money but they chose to beat him out of his consciousness and ask him to transfer his Bitcoin when he was back to his conscious state, which means they're fully informed about his worth in bitcoin, the world has birthed cruel societies lately and people ought to take precautions and safeguard themselves and if you got a spare money spend it on security and well being instead of leaving an extravagant lifestyle, that would attract attention.

 I'm pretty sure the theives would have some knowledge about Bitcoin before carry out that operation, else they wouldn't have been able to figure out how to carry the transaction or even have a wallet to receive the Bitcoin not to talk of knowing the right crypto asset to rob.
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...how do I protect myself against them if they get any crazy ideas?

Do you have a gun ?
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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.

How private can you be though? I mean in real life not online. As someone who speaks about bitcoin to friends and family people will definitely know you hold bitcoin.
Let me take myself for example, people who are not close to me have no idea about what I do and how I earn my money, but people close to me know what I do and they know I am involved in bitcoin one way or the other because they come to me whenever they have a question about bitcoin, So they know that I hold bitcoin, they may not have any idea about the amount, but they know I hold bitcoin, how do I protect myself against them if they get any crazy ideas?

I get it that you need to stay private from stranger and online and try not to flaunt your wealth that much, especially those of us in bitcoin, but there are only so much we can be private when it comes to friends and relative
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I am curios as to how the robbers got to know about their bitcoin holdings. Did she discussed about bitcoin to anybody out there before that day?  or  the possibility of registering with a local exchange where they must have gotten her details to have tracked her to her home and attack her.
That's the same exact question I was about to ask too, because a thief can not come to rob you and go straight to the point asking you to transfer your Bitcoin if initially they never knew you had Bitcoin in possession. So it's obvious she must have said it publicly somewhere which gave those robbers idea she had Bitcoin, and as as, I think we all need to learn from this man's mistake to always keep our investment private, and also learn to always diversify our investment portfolio, so that if in case you are unlucky to be robbed, you will still be able to have the rest coins safe.
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Aren't we always practicing about Bitcoin privacy? Privacy is a very important part of our lives; it could save your money and life as well. Forget about crypto; imagine you are a rich person and you have a lot of money. Your neighbour or relatives ask you to borrow some money from them. If you don't do it, then they will turn into your enemy. So when someone from your neighbourhood or relatives knows about your crypto and they know you are holding a decent amount, then they might become your enemy as well. So they might attack you in various ways. Always need to maintain the privacy when you have crypto and funds. 
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This robbery is very common everywhere and the fact we are discussing it here is because the thief wanted some bitcoin, aside that everyone is supposed to be aware of thiefs and robbers hence provide safety measures for themselves.

I saw a post on social media where people who must have given their identity and full informations on social medias claiming how many bitcoins they have and how much they are worth, I was worried because I know how those information could be used to attack them, it's very dangerous action to give out such information and I believe those kind of people are the ones who get attacked by robbers without their knowledge.

So it's very simple never show off how much you have or worth when you can't afford a full security for yourself.
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LOL leaving your keys so the robbers have easier life is the most pathetic thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

If you want to enrich them, start with their diet - a rich in lead salad will fix all their life issues.
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Anyone in the world can be robbed if people want their goods.

In the USA a new crime is break into the garage of a house find the key clicker and steal the car.

My car in the attached garage has the key clicker sitting on the dash.

The inside garage door has three dead bolts.

So basically it is take the car and go.

It is a new hyundai sonata hybrid.

I do not want to be the guy in queens new york city get tortured with a hammer 🔨 to give up the keys. 🔑

This sounds like a post from a guy with an overinsured car that’s giving him trouble. lol

I agree with your first part. It’s the whole, ‘“locks keep honest people honest” thing.

The car theft problem doesn’t seem like it will be an issue much longer. My truck has cameras all around and in it, is connected to the internet and has GPS. I think as these sorts of vehicles become more common, vehicle theft becomes a thing of the past.

As for the $5 wrench attack… I still think criminals would prefer stealing from drug dealers full of cash or old ladies with lots of jewelry than stubborn Bitcoiners with paranoid security measures in place.
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So for the robber to gain such information about the victim bitcoin holdings, such information may have leak from the victim to another Person close to him and from there the worked on his wallet balance to know how much bitcoin he actually owned.

Leaks like this can happen even if you don't tell anyone, centralized exchanges have people who can leak such information.
Same goes to the tax offices when you pay tax from cryptocurrency.

If you think this people are like priests who don't tell anyone anything what's going on because it's confidential, you live in a dream world.

I pity the fool who does not have a gun for protection while being their own bank.

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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.

One of the primary investigative discovery about bitcoin theft is that the victim is always long vulnerable to the attacker before it happens, a high percentage is mostly insider job, due to the privacy and security that comes with holding bitcoin, it make it hard for other thirdparty into the information as it involves a bitcoin holder.

So for the robber to gain such information about the victim bitcoin holdings, such information may have leak from the victim to another Person close to him and from there the worked on his wallet balance to know how much bitcoin he actually owned.
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Nice reminder op. I have seen a couple of posts about $5 wrench attacks on the forum too. I addition many posts have been made by people of the likes of 1miau about keeping you hodlings more of a secret. Personally I believe the $5 wrench attack is a result of some HODLERS inability to ensure privacy of their funds. Some people get too carried away that they begin to broadcast their potential hodling to people unknowningly to them. Some of these victims are usually just naive and not trying to boast about their hodlings.

If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.
Let's just say this is the perfect warning and example of avoiding the mistake of putting all your investments on a single asset. Of course bitcoin is a nice investment but still that doesn't call for a reason to pump in all you investment into it. Other investment plans like buying a residential property to get some passive income is also a good idea.

Let's not forget that the security of every HODLERS coin is their full responsibility.
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It's true that privacy and security are very important... Never talk about bitcoin ownership it will invite people to steal in any way I have seen many cases of this out there, although not experiencing it myself but this is my vigilance against assets owned.

I once talked about bitcoin ownership with a close friend... You know what happened the friend who listened to that he wanted to borrow money because he knew that I had bitcoin even though not much he didn't care he insisted on borrowing money and told me his bitcoin to sell ... Crazy friends like this there are always desperate, I know he can act more than never expected...

Then I pretended to sell bitcoin and the money was used for other purposes ... from there never talk about assets owned again ... they always thought I had 1 BTC even though I never had it.
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The lazy people that don't have anything to think of but by being a con and stealing people's money really reinvents their crime weapons. I just hope that the court would just refund and give it back to the victim. Or if there's an agreement, the court should have given that thought of what the victim thinks is best for him, whether to receive it back in full form no more, no less in BTC. Because if it's said that it will be given back in cash, maybe that's just the judge's verdict without having considering what the victim may like. But still, this is good news for the victim that the stolen BTCs have been traced and seized and taken back.
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Just couple weeks ago friend of a friend (priest) was attacked in his own home by a thief with a hammer, he ended up as a vegetable (head trauma) and his mother was killed.
Thief got away with less than a hundred dollars as it was poor family, now in jail, awaiting trial on which he may get a very low sentence if they find him insane.

Shit like this happens all the time and you don't have to be a crypto millionaire.

So if you don't already have a gun, buy one (or get smashed to death by a toblerone). Glock is the best life insurance  Wink

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Is this the beginning of a new meme? 5$ toblerone bar attack!

Why is the Toblerone robbery event only now reaching us? It surprises me that news about this didn't come out earlier this year.

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The Lawyers at Edinburgh’s High Court agreed on Sept. 3 that the 23.5 BTC could be converted into cash for a total sum of $144,017 (109,601 British pounds).
A moment of nostalgia against the background of the text from the Toblerone robbery article.

Against the background of current prices for bitcoin, how ridiculous the amount for 23.5 BTC seems.
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Scotland has a very low crime rate compared to England and other major countries in Europe.  Crypto robberies are not common and when they happen, there is always a pre-infromation. It is not like a bank account where the bank staff know how much every customer has. There is a chance that the owner of the coin or somebody else might have told somebody about his cryptocurrency. Living a modest life is also important because criminals are always looking out for signs to show that someone has something valuable. Those who flaunt wealth on social media have much to learn from this story.   
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Some people just don't know how to hide stuff. No one needs to know about what you do or what you own, if you have a bunch of cryptocurrencies or a lot of money in the bank, you don't need to make that public, I wouldn't even recommend discussing such things with close ones as well because the era we live in, no one can be trusted. You never know who is a double-faced person who is always around you and you entrust them with your secrets and the second thing that happens is you are getting robbed.

So I agree with what others are saying about not showing the world what you have. If you have something, keep it to yourself, use it moderately, and live your life so that it doesn't catch the attention of the evil in society. Some people don't have mercy, they won't even clinch before killing you because they don't value life, all they want are the resources you acquire and they can go to any extent to get that.
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Anyone in the world can be robbed if people want their goods.

In the USA a new crime is break into the garage of a house find the key clicker and steal the car.

My car in the attached garage has the key clicker sitting on the dash.

The inside garage door has three dead bolts.

So basically it is take the car and go.

It is a new hyundai sonata hybrid.

I do not want to be the guy in queens new york city get tortured with a hammer 🔨 to give up the keys. 🔑
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In as much as this report once again re-emphasizes the importance of privacy and security as a Bitcoin holder, it makes me happy that the victims had their bitcoin recovered, unlike the many cases that I reported here  Physical Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency Attacks that Have Been Reported Worldwide last year were some of the victims were killed or maimed.
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I saw something similar in my country in 2017, when there were lucky people who earned money on bitcoin. One previously very modest and seemingly not very wealthy person suddenly began to buy clothes in "Brioni" boutiques. The end of the story is quite sad, but many have concluded.
If you suddenly become rich (there are many reasons), be more modest.
Another case was when a girl met a guy who did not spare money for gifts, but she could not remain silent and took pictures of his property and posted them online. The photos against the background of expensive furniture were appreciated by scammers. The result is a burglary, and it no longer matters whether the guy had bitcoins or he was simply rich.

Your tongue can sometimes be your enemy.
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Privacy and security are very important. The woman could have discussed about bitcoin to someone or people which could be where those robbers know she has bitcoin. It could even be on social media that the robbers noticed that.

Also we should be careful of P2P transactions. Know when to use coin control and mixers. Most people do not know about this, making people to easily trace their coins.

Have different wallets. Feature like dures mode on Unstoppable wallet can be helpful.

One of the main reasons on why i dont really like on making myself trying to expose that i do engage with crypto even with my siblings or even into my friends. Im not boasting up that i have tons of coins but at least the amount would really be something significant or you could really be able to say that someone could abduct you or something that would be in similar with these kind of wrench situations. This is why its really that important that you should really be mindful on the actions that you are taking because it could potentially put yourself into possible danger or trouble. Its better to make yourself that lowkey so that you would be able to avoid
these dangers and there's no point on boasting up your crypto holdings because we do know that criminals would really be just that lurking in the shadows and just waiting for the right opportunity to strike.
So its ideal that you do keep it secret as much as possible and even telling into your friends or family members should be avoided and this could give that peace of mind.
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Privacy and security are very important. The woman could have discussed about bitcoin to someone or people which could be where those robbers know she has bitcoin. It could even be on social media that the robbers noticed that.
Try to be famous and make noise so that other people know that you are a Bitcoin investor, is a very risky practice. There are many reported physical Bitcoin attacks and cost sometimes is not only your bitcoin, but can be your physical body and even your life (it means you can be killed by criminals).

Some people print Bitcoin logo and stick it on their helmet, car and other items. They think it is cool but I see it very risky and dangerous for their life.

https://github.com/jlopp/physical-bitcoin-attacks
https://github.com/demining/Physical-Bitcoin-Attacks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCbe9fhASng

How about don't tell people about expensive things you have around your house that can be taken.
We as a group keep going through this. It has nothing to do with BTC. If the they had known about a valuable pile of gold, or diamonds, or stamp collection or whatever the same theft would have happened.

We as a group here only think about it because it's BTC

Don't brag about wealth, don't talk about money you have. Period. Full stop.

-Dave
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So, after 4 years they finally get caught? I wonder why it took so long to catch them.

After all from this news, toblerone goes stonk. Cool



I am curios as to how the robbers got to know about their bitcoin holdings. Did she discussed about bitcoin to anybody out there before that day?  or  the possibility of registering with a local exchange where they must have gotten her details to have tracked her to her home and attack her.
Many people said, your biggest enemy are people around you and close to you. People who not know you much will not know when you're arrive in your home, when your home is empty, how many people live in your house etc.
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Funny thing about weaponized Toblerone.

Privacy and security are very important. The woman could have discussed about bitcoin to someone or people which could be where those robbers know she has bitcoin. It could even be on social media that the robbers noticed that.

Also we should be careful of P2P transactions. Know when to use coin control and mixers. Most people do not know about this, making people to easily trace their coins.

Have different wallets. Feature like dures mode on Unstoppable wallet can be helpful.

This is most likely. Having talked too much about how much Bitcoin she had and not taking the appropriate precautions. Unless you are an influencer that everyone knows about it, talking about your holdings, or doing stupid things like wearing a t-shirt with the Bitcoin logo on it, is putting a target on your chest.

The more precautions, the better.
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This thing takes a top place in weird crypto robberies for sure.
This, now I wonder what other unbelievable means robbers  must have used to steal publicly from victims.

Actually as ironic as it seems in as much as one is trying to stay safe from hackers getting the best hardware wallet, having good online practice, ignoring physical security and anonymity is more dangerous because not just your funds are stake but also your life and your loved ones life, let's not even talk about the trauma from it even and possibly thinking of relocation to avoid unfortunate situations like that.

I am curios as to how the robbers got to know about their bitcoin holdings. Did she discussed about bitcoin to anybody out there before that day?  or  the possibility of registering with a local exchange where they must have gotten her details to have tracked her to her home and attack her
This we don't know since it wasn't stated, in the story maybe because the law haven't holds of this men rather only a man who the funds where transferred to. Though that being said it is still a bad practice that would lead to this at first, especially from the fact that what will someone having this amount of bitcoin with local exchanges.

Looking at the image above as one of the things  used to carrying such act, I believe sometimes things happens maybe just to create an impression for people to see either in good or bad ways.  How are we sure that they intentionally did use the above equipment just to discredit the company for reasons best known to them alone. Some times people act in that way and they end up tarnishing the reputation of others at their own interest.
What are you trying to say with this I'm curious?
Because all I see here is that the robbers knew how well they won't be looking suspicious to others, since it was obviously common for one to get these.

Also this won't affect the brand since they got nothing to do with this rather it making others aware of the fact this might be held for disguising weapons by criminals
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I am curios as to how the robbers got to know about their bitcoin holdings. Did she discussed about bitcoin to anybody out there before that day?  or  the possibility of registering with a local exchange where they must have gotten her details to have tracked her to her home and attack her.

Looking at the image above as one of the things  used to carrying such act, I believe sometimes things happens maybe just to create an impression for people to see either in good or bad ways.  How are we sure that they intentionally did use the above equipment just to discredit the company for reasons best known to them alone. Some times people act in that way and they end up tarnishing the reputation of others at their own interest.
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Privacy and security are very important. The woman could have discussed about bitcoin to someone or people which could be where those robbers know she has bitcoin. It could even be on social media that the robbers noticed that.

Also we should be careful of P2P transactions. Know when to use coin control and mixers. Most people do not know about this, making people to easily trace their coins.

Have different wallets. Feature like dures mode on Unstoppable wallet can be helpful.
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If you had 23.5 Bitcoins (which was worth $144,017), you would spend $10,000 on home insurance, but it would be better to be private, as your friends and community should not know about your Bitcoin wealth.
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Is a guy carrying a 4.5-kilogram chocolate bar following you? He might be innocent but he might also be after your Bitcoin!
https://cointelegraph.com/news/scotland-first-ever-bitcoin-seized-toberlone-robbery-case

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The court heard last year that three men conducted the home invasion in the town of Blantyre, southeast of Glasgow, and one repeatedly beat a woman at the property with a personalized Toblerone bar and threw her into a bedroom.
The victim, who isn’t named for legal reasons, testified that he awoke to find a man standing over him with a machete before he was forced to transfer Bitcoin.
The man who beat the woman then made a “throat-slitting gesture” with the bloodied Toblerone bar before all three fled.

This thing takes a top place in weird crypto robberies for sure.
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