Before the earthquake, Nepali People killed 250,000 cows to celebrate festival

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Quote from: SerenaL on November 01, 2015, 11:28:55 PM

I sure hope they will sell the beef and hides to stimulate their almost nonexistent economy. Grin

I have read a bit more about it and found that it is for the Goddess Ghadami. The meat is given to the believers. So at the end it is not so bad as a ritual, it's somewhat of a feeding the poor. And it seems it's not really 250k cows, i guess the whole country does not have so many cows at all, but 20k cows and 300k birds.

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what a waste of cows, seems a bit much for a ritual

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Very ridiculous for a ritual worths 250000 of cows lives.

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I sure hope they will sell the beef and hides to stimulate their almost nonexistent economy. Grin

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Quote from: vero on November 01, 2015, 08:27:09 AM

I agree. If you don't want animals to be killed, become vegetarian. No one needs to eat meat, they choose to do so because they enjoy it, thus making the pleasure of taste more important than the life of another creature. That's very sad.

Guess you found a way to live without eating vegetables? If not make yourself clear that you only survive because you still devour the life of other living creatures.

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They'll all go to hell for murder.

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It's funny how almost all western vegetarian liberals have hindu symbols in their homes

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Yeah this is true they slaughter not only cows but also dogs/deers/whatever they find in the jungle for this festival and for christ sake that is not a HINDU festival,its traditional nepalese festival to impress some godess I reckon

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I agree. If you don't want animals to be killed, become vegetarian. No one needs to eat meat, they choose to do so because they enjoy it, thus making the pleasure of taste more important than the life of another creature. That's very sad.

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What a shit truth,cow is sacred animal in Hinduism,It symbolise Mother,There is only one place in Nepal where living animal are used like offering,it is in Phurping,mostly chickens,Go Varananasi in India you will see how thay take care of cows,in Nepal you will even not found 250 cows

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This topic made me hungry.
Killing animals for spiritual rituals sounds so old ages. I just hope if they could only share this meat with poor hungry people.
It would better to make them happy.

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Quote from: kydranel on October 31, 2015, 01:31:33 AM

Any news after this event? I mean sure this was passed down for generations. We cant say much about that but i hope it was all worth it. And i hope the earth quake didnt damage then badly. they too need help. Sad

How in the world could it be all worth it? If there would have been a serious godlike effect from slaugthering that many cows for nothing but for the ritual then the world already would know how usefull it is. It's only some stupid humans that act out of what they were told to do from the past. Surely no help will come from this slaughtering. Otherwise we would know already that it is a mighty ritual.

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Quote from: kydranel on October 31, 2015, 01:31:33 AM

Any news after this event? I mean sure this was passed down for generations. We cant say much about that but i hope it was all worth it. And i hope the earth quake didnt damage then badly. they too need help. Sad

How in the world could it be all worth it? If there would have been a serious godlike effect from slaugthering that many cows for nothing but for the ritual then the world already would know how usefull it is. It's only some stupid humans that act out of what they were told to do from the past. Surely no help will come from this slaughtering. Otherwise we would know already that it is a mighty ritual.

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Any news after this event? I mean sure this was passed down for generations. We cant say much about that but i hope it was all worth it. And i hope the earth quake didnt damage then badly. they too need help. Sad

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This the answer of God to Nepali it shows that god exists.Cows are the part of god according to veds.

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Why are some people crying?

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http://www.mid-day.com/articles/animal-sacrifice-banned-in-nepals-gadhimai-festival/16408196

This is some good news.
Animal sacrifice banned in Nepal's Gadhimai festival.

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They just killed the cows and left them there? Damn! That's a lot of meat gone to waste. Sad

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We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

I never said anything about eating brothers and sisters. The point is if you think that humans have been made like that, and that is the course of the nature, then we should follow the course of the nature in a complete manner. Everyone should hunt and then eat, like other animals do. Truth is we humans have become very selfish. We always chose what is the best for us, even if that is a problem for others.

Im not sure if i can follow you on that. Why should be hunt ourself. Its legit that we have a society where specialized persons to tasks they are specialized in. That improves the overall performance of the society.

Still our bodies dont change only because we start to eat in a way that is different from what our bodies need.

I brought brothers and sister into the conversation because if you consider animals as such then plants are them too. Only smaller ones.

Why should we chose to eat a way that we are not made for? Of course we NEED to choise what is good and best for us in this case. And we cant avoid that. Why should we decide that the problem of a plant, that we kill by eating, is no problem, but the problem of a cow that we kill, so that we can eat her, is a problem?

We dont need to speak about their lives. That leaves room open for optimizations.

Cool buddy Grin

You won't stop eating animals and I won't stop eating plants. So just relax and live and let leave. Peace Wink

I agree. You probably know as well as iam that this is a topic where its impossible to convince the other side.

Maybe some day mankind will develop a different way of living but so far we are bound to the laws of nature. Its not the worst thin so far.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 08, 2015, 03:40:40 AM

What a waste of good meat.

How is this simply a waste of good meat? Just because animals cannot speak, we can consider them as only food? Then perhaps the thousands of people protesting against the Yulin Dog Meat Eating Festival are fools as well.
To me, animal sacrifice does not make sense at all. I don't think any God or Goddess would want humans to kill innocent creatures in their name.

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So none of you guys eat meat? Where do think meat comes from?

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 17, 2015, 08:52:44 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 16, 2015, 08:05:43 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 05:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 05:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

I never said anything about eating brothers and sisters. The point is if you think that humans have been made like that, and that is the course of the nature, then we should follow the course of the nature in a complete manner. Everyone should hunt and then eat, like other animals do. Truth is we humans have become very selfish. We always chose what is the best for us, even if that is a problem for others.

Im not sure if i can follow you on that. Why should be hunt ourself. Its legit that we have a society where specialized persons to tasks they are specialized in. That improves the overall performance of the society.

Still our bodies dont change only because we start to eat in a way that is different from what our bodies need.

I brought brothers and sister into the conversation because if you consider animals as such then plants are them too. Only smaller ones.

Why should we chose to eat a way that we are not made for? Of course we NEED to choise what is good and best for us in this case. And we cant avoid that. Why should we decide that the problem of a plant, that we kill by eating, is no problem, but the problem of a cow that we kill, so that we can eat her, is a problem?

We dont need to speak about their lives. That leaves room open for optimizations.

Cool buddy Grin

You won't stop eating animals and I won't stop eating plants. So just relax and live and let leave. Peace Wink

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Quote from: siwakotisaurav on June 17, 2015, 10:18:33 AM

First off cows are sacred to Hindus so they are not killed. Secondly, you might wanna ask how do I know, well I'm a Nepali . Better see the news carefully before you post. Thirdly, it depends on people's faith , no one has the right to decide how one's customs should be. And thirdly, no I don't believe in such rituals.

Exactly. Killing of cows and bulls are a punishable offense in Nepal, as it is against the Hindu culture. Most of the animals which are slaughtered in this festival are water buffaloes, chicken, pigs, and goats.

And 90% of the devotees come from the Madhesi regions of India. The remaining 10% are ethnic Madhesi having Nepali citizenship. Ethnic Nepali Hindus never participate in this festival. Nepal is a multi-ethnic country, with close to 200 different ethnic groups. Some of these groups are culturally different from the ethnic Nepali Hindus.

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First off cows are sacred to Hindus so they are not killed. Secondly, you might wanna ask how do I know, well I'm a Nepali . Better see the news carefully before you post. Thirdly, it depends on people's faith , no one has the right to decide how one's customs should be. And thirdly, no I don't believe in such rituals.

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Quote from: ipbo on May 08, 2015, 06:00:15 AM

What kind of xit is this ,uncivilized people. Karma is Real.

Karma isn't real, and do you not eat meat or wear leather? Millions of cattle are killed every year all over the world so I don't see why it's that much different (though as I said above its wasteful if they do not do anything with the meat/skins etc).

And also, the pictures were accounted for 2009 which was portrayed as if it happened days before the Nepal earthquake. And aptly described, karma isn't real (:

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Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 16, 2015, 08:05:43 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 05:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 05:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

I never said anything about eating brothers and sisters. The point is if you think that humans have been made like that, and that is the course of the nature, then we should follow the course of the nature in a complete manner. Everyone should hunt and then eat, like other animals do. Truth is we humans have become very selfish. We always chose what is the best for us, even if that is a problem for others.

Im not sure if i can follow you on that. Why should be hunt ourself. Its legit that we have a society where specialized persons to tasks they are specialized in. That improves the overall performance of the society.

Still our bodies dont change only because we start to eat in a way that is different from what our bodies need.

I brought brothers and sister into the conversation because if you consider animals as such then plants are them too. Only smaller ones.

Why should we chose to eat a way that we are not made for? Of course we NEED to choise what is good and best for us in this case. And we cant avoid that. Why should we decide that the problem of a plant, that we kill by eating, is no problem, but the problem of a cow that we kill, so that we can eat her, is a problem?

We dont need to speak about their lives. That leaves room open for optimizations.

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Quote from: jayce on June 16, 2015, 07:21:51 AM

I can't believe that you considered my opinion was a main cause of disaster. It just my expression after read the article of "ritual" that sacrifice thousands of buffaloes. I have studied about plate movements, earthquake, tsunami, etc in my school.

Then what did you really meant, when you posted "all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that"? Many of the world religions do have customs and practices, which are considered unacceptable in some parts of the world. Even Abrahamic religions such as Christianity and Islam are having such practices.

Can you understand what I said before? It just my expression about buffaloes sacrifices. And if you meant Idul Adha, do you know that the animal like cow and goat that sacrificed by them, would be given to paupers so then they can cook the meat in their house? So what about the buffaloes in the ritual? Do you think there is someone that will bring the meat and cook it?

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Quote from: jayce on June 16, 2015, 07:21:51 AM

I can't believe that you considered my opinion was a main cause of disaster. It just my expression after read the article of "ritual" that sacrifice thousands of buffaloes. I have studied about plate movements, earthquake, tsunami, etc in my school.

Then what did you really meant, when you posted "all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that"? Many of the world religions do have customs and practices, which are considered unacceptable in some parts of the world. Even Abrahamic religions such as Christianity and Islam are having such practices.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 06:23:55 PM

Quote from: Anony on June 15, 2015, 06:09:42 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 05:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 05:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

You cannot change everyone's thinking, right? All you can do is live the life in the way you want to. These killings of cows and buffaloes will again happen next year. In fact, now the possibility is that the numbers might be even more increased.

Agree with you. That is the provision made available to us. Stronger survives, weaker perishes. But still we can control it if we want to or let it be as it is.

I know what you mean and i thought about this carefully already. Even tried vegetarian so that i know what i speak about. I cant live that way. These products they sell as meat replacement taste like bread and you always have the feeling somethings missing.

I think i should not try to go against nature, our inner organs are neither those of carnivores nor those of plant eating animals. So since we are made like this i think nature shows us whats the right choice of nurture is. We simply cant avoid devouring life so at the end i would not feel better to "only" eat my smallest brothers and sisters on earth. We are made like this and have to accept it.

Not like these extremists in some developed countries that think they have to even feed their carnivourous pets, like cats and dogs, a vegetarian diet. Thats so wrong that it looks like abuse to me.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 05:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 05:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

I never said anything about eating brothers and sisters. The point is if you think that humans have been made like that, and that is the course of the nature, then we should follow the course of the nature in a complete manner. Everyone should hunt and then eat, like other animals do. Truth is we humans have become very selfish. We always chose what is the best for us, even if that is a problem for others.

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Quote from: jayce on June 15, 2015, 03:02:56 PM

I think all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that. Actually, we can't blame ritual or culture of other country, but we are living in modern era, so we need to think logically about the ritual that against natural science.

Do you really thing that a "curse" caused the recent earthquake in Nepal, which killed more than 10,000 innocent people? Do you know what causes an earthquake? Ever heard of plate movements? And if the recent earthquake was caused as a result of this "curse", then why it didn't occurred earlier, as the festival has been going on for thousands of years.

I can't believe that you considered my opinion was a main cause of disaster. It just my expression after read the article of "ritual" that sacrifice thousands of buffaloes. I have studied about plate movements, earthquake, tsunami, etc in my school.

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Quote from: jayce on June 15, 2015, 03:02:56 PM

I think all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that. Actually, we can't blame ritual or culture of other country, but we are living in modern era, so we need to think logically about the ritual that against natural science.

Do you really thing that a "curse" caused the recent earthquake in Nepal, which killed more than 10,000 innocent people? Do you know what causes an earthquake? Ever heard of plate movements? And if the recent earthquake was caused as a result of this "curse", then why it didn't occurred earlier, as the festival has been going on for thousands of years.

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Quote from: Anony on June 15, 2015, 06:09:42 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 05:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 05:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

Agree with you. That is the provision made available to us. Stronger survives, weaker perishes. But still we can control it if we want to or let it be as it is.

I know what you mean and i thought about this carefully already. Even tried vegetarian so that i know what i speak about. I cant live that way. These products they sell as meat replacement taste like bread and you always have the feeling somethings missing.

I think i should not try to go against nature, our inner organs are neither those of carnivores nor those of plant eating animals. So since we are made like this i think nature shows us whats the right choice of nurture is. We simply cant avoid devouring life so at the end i would not feel better to "only" eat my smallest brothers and sisters on earth. We are made like this and have to accept it.

Not like these extremists in some developed countries that think they have to even feed their carnivourous pets, like cats and dogs, a vegetarian diet. Thats so wrong that it looks like abuse to me.

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I think all of animal activist in the world cursed Nepal because of the festival, so the country got disaster after that. Actually, we can't blame ritual or culture of other country, but we are living in modern era, so we need to think logically about the ritual that against natural science.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on June 15, 2015, 05:33:50 AM

Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 05:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

Agree with you. That is the provision made available to us. Stronger survives, weaker perishes. But still we can control it if we want to or let it be as it is.

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Quote from: JarvisTechnology on June 15, 2015, 05:05:29 AM

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

I knew this will come up. Though let me say it this way. When you show me how the cows stop eating away the living lifeform grass then i might consider stopping eating the cows.

Truth is that every human only survives when it devours other life. Only because some humans think they are better because they only devour life that doesnt have a face, doesnt make this truth less valid.

And claiming that humans can chose to only eat their "smallest brothers and sisters", what kind of attitude is that? We arent made for vegetarian only nutrition. Our organs show this. Of course one might chose a diet of only vegetarian source, though thats up to him. Others might not want this because of the risks and because its hypocritical to claim that one is a better human when he only eats the life that cant fight back at all.

Damn, i knew this would turn out to be this discussion again. But truth is and remains... humans only survive when devouring other life. Blame god or whatever, but its the truth. And humans have to deal with it.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2015, 04:44:57 AM

May be Westerners should learn to respect others cultural norms and traditions. If not, incidents such as this one can happen:

Oh right. Lets look away when other cultures cut away the clitoris of little girls, together with their lapia and later sew the rest together so that the husband has to open her with a knife in the first night after wedding.

Maybe lets even look away when ISIS is cutting off heads because its part of their religious belief.

Im not sure why you think we have to respect every and all ill things that are done in the name of religions. We are humans and we have the right and the obligation to stand up against inhuman things happening.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 14, 2015, 09:03:57 AM

I think that we should respect their beliefs, even if we don't fully understand it.
It's their tradition and culture, and who we are to judge it?
How much turkey we kill and eat in America for Thanksgiving day?
Isn't it the same thing?
It makes no sense to condemn the tradition of other nations while at the same time do something similar in our countries.
I hope no one is suggesting here that these two events are related.

You didnt think this through. The need to survive is the same for all living beings. And we are forced to fill that need by devouring other live. (Before you might ask, yes, plants are alive too.)

Killing a mass of life for a belief is very different from that. Though it happened all the way in the human history.

We humans have the most developed brain & organs. Why do we need to kill animals just to eat We breed them so that we can eat them. What is the difference between other animals and us who eat meat? We have abundant source of natural resources to fulfill our needs.

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Quote from: Possum577 on June 15, 2015, 01:30:48 AM

Killing 250,000 cows for the greed of 200 men is awful and should be an easy thing to disrupt via protest.

It is their culture, and foreigners don't have any right to demand that they should abandon their age old rituals and customs. Nepal is a deeply religious nation, and if you go there for a protest, then most probably you will be thrown inside some rotten and crowded prison cell, where you'll spend the rest of your life. May be Westerners should learn to respect others cultural norms and traditions. If not, incidents such as this one can happen:

http://forumforhinduawakening.org/dharma/news/2013/11/27/indonesia-christian-woman-bali-sentenced-14-months-prison-insulting-hinduism/

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 14, 2015, 09:03:57 AM

I think that we should respect their beliefs, even if we don't fully understand it.
It's their tradition and culture, and who we are to judge it?
How much turkey we kill and eat in America for Thanksgiving day?
Isn't it the same thing?
It makes no sense to condemn the tradition of other nations while at the same time do something similar in our countries.
I hope no one is suggesting here that these two events are related.

What's to respect? They kill an atrocious amount of animals, they don't use the meat, they just let it lay their...such a waste. And their belief is that doing this will get THEM good luck and prosperity, so fucking greedy! It's not like they did this because it would be used to feed the starving or some other nobel cause.

They're as bad as the CEOs that spend millions upon millions of dollars on lavish parties for themselves.

Murdering jews was the culture of the Nazis, should we respect that because it was "their belief" that the Jews were to blame for all that was wrong in the world?

Thanksgiving is an awful example. One turkey killed to feed a family, it's not wasteful, it's not gluttonous, and it's not done in the spirt of greed but rather in the spirit of family and giving and sharing. These people killed 1,250 cows per person! It is not at all the same thing.

Don't be so naive. Think about all of this before you defend people.

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What a disgusting display of selfishness, greed, and inhumane ideals.

Too bad the earthquake couldn't punish only these 200 men. What efforts are in place to protest an event like this? Killing 250,000 cows for the greed of 200 men is awful and should be an easy thing to disrupt via protest.

Let me know what's going on!

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 14, 2015, 09:03:57 AM

I think that we should respect their beliefs, even if we don't fully understand it.
It's their tradition and culture, and who we are to judge it?
How much turkey we kill and eat in America for Thanksgiving day?
Isn't it the same thing?
It makes no sense to condemn the tradition of other nations while at the same time do something similar in our countries.
I hope no one is suggesting here that these two events are related.

You didnt think this through. The need to survive is the same for all living beings. And we are forced to fill that need by devouring other live. (Before you might ask, yes, plants are alive too.)

Killing a mass of life for a belief is very different from that. Though it happened all the way in the human history.

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I think that we should respect their beliefs, even if we don't fully understand it.
It's their tradition and culture, and who we are to judge it?
How much turkey we kill and eat in America for Thanksgiving day?
Isn't it the same thing?
It makes no sense to condemn the tradition of other nations while at the same time do something similar in our countries.
I hope no one is suggesting here that these two events are related.

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It might not be a coincidence that the people who are trying to spread this story are the same people who shipped in a few hundred thousands bibles to Nepal, instead of food and aid on the aftermath of the earthquake. Animal sacrifices happen in almost all the religions. Ever heard about Eid al-Adha? Just because someone believes in a pedophile religion, he doesn't have the right to criticize another 5,000 year old religion.

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That is incredibly saddening to see. Especially when you consider how much earth resources cows take up, to waste them like that is unthinkable.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 08, 2015, 03:40:40 AM

What a waste of good meat.

lol. true...

it wasn't enough tho to be worth.

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India and Cows.
The stereotyping never ends.

Never heard of the term 'Rakht Kukri' have you ?

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Quote from: Whitehouse on May 08, 2015, 05:37:11 AM

Are you sure they don't eat the meat after? What do they do with the carcases? Just leave them to rot? Surely they don't just slaughter them and that's that. It must cost a lot of money to rear those animals only to just kill them. I wouldn't really be against it if they didn't just waste the meat and leather etc. Quite bizarre if so.

It takes a person skilled at butchering several hours of hard work to cut up an animal that size, so even if some were eaten, most would be going to waste. Also, if the intention was to eat them they would drain the blood first probably.

There are a lot of Asian buffalo and cattle in that area. In one part people will eat the meat. A distance away it will be forbidden. In some areas if a driver hits a cow a mob will gather and beat the shit out of him.

Some places it is 'illegal' to eat any animal products, including eggs, except for dairy. Also interesting, in Nepal some people will eat only male animals.

Hmm... good points, but surely they can't just let the meat rot? Can't be very good for hygiene and it will stink.

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Lol i dint know that, so this stupid pagan ritual seems to have worked just as opposite of what they wanted... and the God will keep punish those men who keep doing this stupid pagan rituals from the Ancient Age sacrificing innocent forms of life for nothing.

ib4 stupid Christians claim it was this rit- FUCK! They beat me to it already! What's next you guys? You're going to pick out some homosexual couples over there and claim it was them that caused the earthquakes by angering god while having zero understanding of basic Geology and Geography? Mind you people did that in the UK when we had floods awhile back so I wouldn't put it past them, by the way I agree that these kind of rituals are stupid with the other sane people, it's not only barbaric but a waste of food that people in those areas would have needed.

I don't believe in coincidences, thats all i can say.. the luck doesnt exist. Every action has a reaction. And is pointless to debate with pseudo scientists like you, rock Head.

You don't believe in coincidences? The entire universe is one.

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 09, 2015, 06:17:24 AM

OMG this is too much immoral
They wasted too much meal, they wasted too much milk. They wasted too many cows. They wasted too much of their economy.
But what is its benefit? What is its purpose.
Just waste of above things?

Well the "point" is that it is meant to be a sacrifice, and that's what they're doing but obviously it is a backwards and silly belief but it's not like the rest of the world doesn't have silly beliefs either (I'm sure you can find plenty of passages in the bible and quran on sacrificing animals also).

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 09, 2015, 06:17:24 AM

OMG this is too much immoral
They wasted too much meal, they wasted too much milk. They wasted too many cows. They wasted too much of their economy.
But what is its benefit? What is its purpose.
Just waste of above things?

I've posted this already in this tread but I'm going to do it again. If you would live there your hole life, you wouldn't be surprised. In fact You would be one of those guys killing those cows for sacrifice. It's easy for us to criticise them because we live in different culture but if we where in place of them we would probably do the same things.

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OMG this is too much immoral
They wasted too much meal, they wasted too much milk. They wasted too many cows. They wasted too much of their economy.
But what is its benefit? What is its purpose.
Just waste of above things?

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Some people have pointed out karma as the reasoning behind the earthquake.
Being the OP I should admit the thread title seems to give impression that i believe in the same principle and this ritual was the reasoning behind the earthquake.

While i believe in the concept of karma, i don't think this was ever the reason for the quake.
If that was the case, an earthquake or other natural disaster will occur every five years, following the ritual. An earthquake is purely geographical disaster and it would not be wise to link it to a religious ritual.

That being said, i think this ritual is inhuman at best. Slaughtering countless poor animals in the name of good is just an ignorant and shameful act that shows how shallow our understanding of the religion can be. No good demands such sacrifices. God loves every living creature and he is not pleased by such barbaric acts of violence.

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Quote from: Lethn on May 08, 2015, 05:42:13 AM

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Lol i dint know that, so this stupid pagan ritual seems to have worked just as opposite of what they wanted... and the God will keep punish those men who keep doing this stupid pagan rituals from the Ancient Age sacrificing innocent forms of life for nothing.

ib4 stupid Christians claim it was this rit- FUCK! They beat me to it already! What's next you guys? You're going to pick out some homosexual couples over there and claim it was them that caused the earthquakes by angering god while having zero understanding of basic Geology and Geography? Mind you people did that in the UK when we had floods awhile back so I wouldn't put it past them, by the way I agree that these kind of rituals are stupid with the other sane people, it's not only barbaric but a waste of food that people in those areas would have needed.

I don't believe in coincidences, thats all i can say.. the luck doesnt exist. Every action has a reaction. And is pointless to debate with pseudo scientists like you, rock Head.

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Quote from: Benjig on May 08, 2015, 04:14:02 AM

Lol i dint know that, so this stupid pagan ritual seems to have worked just as opposite of what they wanted... and the God will keep punish those men who keep doing this stupid pagan rituals from the Ancient Age sacrificing innocent forms of life for nothing.

Nah... religious people work differently. Its not the fault of the ritual, the problem was they offered too view cows and the gods became angry. Believe me they want to hold onto their religion and this explaination will come in handy.

Though i wonder if true...

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Damn. I hate those who hate animals and killing them for a ritual is just blind faith. There's no bigger crime than killing the innocent. It's just disgusting and I have no words to express my feelings.

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Quote from: quentincole32 on May 08, 2015, 06:31:44 AM

are you sure? have you checked carefully here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gadhimai_festival&action=history

What's the relevance of linking to that? What point are you trying to make? The festival seems to have been reported on the 28th and 29th from a quick google search.

that editing history about the article, to respond this

Quote from: Whitehouse on May 08, 2015, 06:19:58 AM

"This guy has just decided to post it now for whatever reason." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadhimai_festival

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Quote from: quentincole32 on May 08, 2015, 06:13:33 AM

“Gadhimai festival is a sacrificial ritual that is held every 5 years at the Gadhimai Temple of Bariyarpur, in Bara District, about 100 miles (160 km) south of the capital Kathmandu in southern Nepal, near the Indo-Nepal border. The event involves a large scale sacrificial slaughter of animals including water buffaloes, pigs, goats, chicken, rats, and pigeons – with the goal of pleasing Gadhimai, the goddess of power.” (source : wikipedia)

last gadhimai festival is on 2009 , is it possible gadhimai festival on 2015? lol think it before share , be smart buddy. do your own research before share the news even it from reputable source like dailymail, this news absolutely hoax , all those pictures taken on 2009. and someone desire take benefit from this.

lately this news many times discussed , there is claimed as hoax also there is claimed is not.
better quiet for better world.
Indeed those who associate a calamity / disaster with a particular religion ( especially the religion was different from that espoused ) shows the values of humanity has died in them ...

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Quote from: quentincole32 on May 08, 2015, 06:31:44 AM

are you sure? have you checked carefully here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gadhimai_festival&action=history

What's the relevance of linking to that? What point are you trying to make? The festival seems to have been reported on the 28th and 29th from a quick google search.

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Quote from: Whitehouse on May 08, 2015, 06:19:58 AM

Quote from: quentincole32 on May 08, 2015, 06:13:33 AM

“Gadhimai festival is a sacrificial ritual that is held every 5 years at the Gadhimai Temple of Bariyarpur, in Bara District, about 100 miles (160 km) south of the capital Kathmandu in southern Nepal, near the Indo-Nepal border. The event involves a large scale sacrificial slaughter of animals including water buffaloes, pigs, goats, chicken, rats, and pigeons – with the goal of pleasing Gadhimai, the goddess of power.” (source : wikipedia)

last gadhimai festival is on 2009 , is it possible gadhimai festival on 2015? lol think it before share , be smart buddy. do your own research before share the news even it from reputable source like dailymail, this news absolutely hoax , all those pictures taken on 2009. and someone desire take benefit from this.

No, it was late last year. That article is from 28 November 2014 and according to wikipedia that's when the last festival was. This guy has just decided to post it now for whatever reason. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadhimai_festival

are you sure? have you checked carefully here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gadhimai_festival&action=history

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Quote from: ipbo on May 08, 2015, 06:00:15 AM

What kind of xit is this ,uncivilized people. Karma is Real.

Karma is magic. If you believe in Karma, you need to believe in other magical things like unicorns, leprechauns, gods, fairies, easter bunnies, santa clause, bigfoot, loch ness monster, the devil, levitation, life after death etc.

Do you believe in all those things? What mental process makes you believe in one imaginary thing over another?

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Quote from: quentincole32 on May 08, 2015, 06:13:33 AM

“Gadhimai festival is a sacrificial ritual that is held every 5 years at the Gadhimai Temple of Bariyarpur, in Bara District, about 100 miles (160 km) south of the capital Kathmandu in southern Nepal, near the Indo-Nepal border. The event involves a large scale sacrificial slaughter of animals including water buffaloes, pigs, goats, chicken, rats, and pigeons – with the goal of pleasing Gadhimai, the goddess of power.” (source : wikipedia)

last gadhimai festival is on 2009 , is it possible gadhimai festival on 2015? lol think it before share , be smart buddy. do your own research before share the news even it from reputable source like dailymail, this news absolutely hoax , all those pictures taken on 2009. and someone desire take benefit from this.

No, it was late last year. That article is from 28 November 2014 and according to wikipedia that's when the last festival was. This guy has just decided to post it now for whatever reason. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadhimai_festival

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“Gadhimai festival is a sacrificial ritual that is held every 5 years at the Gadhimai Temple of Bariyarpur, in Bara District, about 100 miles (160 km) south of the capital Kathmandu in southern Nepal, near the Indo-Nepal border. The event involves a large scale sacrificial slaughter of animals including water buffaloes, pigs, goats, chicken, rats, and pigeons – with the goal of pleasing Gadhimai, the goddess of power.” (source : wikipedia)

last gadhimai festival is on 2009 , is it possible gadhimai festival on 2015? lol think it before share , be smart buddy. do your own research before share the news even it from reputable source like dailymail, this news absolutely hoax , all those pictures taken on 2009. and someone desire take benefit from this.

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Quote from: ipbo on May 08, 2015, 06:00:15 AM

What kind of xit is this ,uncivilized people. Karma is Real.

Karma isn't real, and do you not eat meat or wear leather? Millions of cattle are killed every year all over the world so I don't see why it's that much different (though as I said above its wasteful if they do not do anything with the meat/skins etc).

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Lol i dint know that, so this stupid pagan ritual seems to have worked just as opposite of what they wanted... and the God will keep punish those men who keep doing this stupid pagan rituals from the Ancient Age sacrificing innocent forms of life for nothing.

ib4 stupid Christians claim it was this rit- FUCK! They beat me to it already! What's next you guys? You're going to pick out some homosexual couples over there and claim it was them that caused the earthquakes by angering god while having zero understanding of basic Geology and Geography? Mind you people did that in the UK when we had floods awhile back so I wouldn't put it past them, by the way I agree that these kind of rituals are stupid with the other sane people, it's not only barbaric but a waste of food that people in those areas would have needed.

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Are you sure they don't eat the meat after? What do they do with the carcases? Just leave them to rot? Surely they don't just slaughter them and that's that. It must cost a lot of money to rear those animals only to just kill them. I wouldn't really be against it if they didn't just waste the meat and leather etc. Quite bizarre if so.

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wow such barbarity
10/10 on waiste of recourses

not so holy cows now hu....
so much death after that disastre

level of faith in that part of the world: -20

bah

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Quote from: qiwoman2 on May 08, 2015, 04:29:35 AM

People are hungry everywhere and unfortunately all these out dated practices are wasting resources and are fairly barbaric. I don't believe in sacrificial rituals because if these so called GODS AND GODDESSES are so UP THERE why the heck they need sacrifices? I don't think they would be very nice deities to worship lol do you?

If You would live in their country, born from Nepali parents, lived there your whole life, You would probably believed in those kind of rituals. You cannot judge a different culture from your current position. Also in Spain there are still corridas although Spain is civilized country.

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People are hungry everywhere and unfortunately all these out dated practices are wasting resources and are fairly barbaric. I don't believe in sacrificial rituals because if these so called GODS AND GODDESSES are so UP THERE why the heck they need sacrifices? I don't think they would be very nice deities to worship lol do you?

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What a waste of good meat.

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Before the earthquake, Hinduism devotees killed 250,000 cows to celebrate festival

Worshipers believe that the animal sacrifice, meant to appease Gadhimai, the Hindu goddess of power, to bring them luck and prosperity.

Before the great earthquake struck, million devotees of Hinduism religion celebrated their cow festival in Nepal.

More than 20,000 buffaloes were sacrificed on the first day. It is estimated that 250,000 animals were sacrificed during the Gadhimai festival. The ritual killings were performed by more than 200 men in a concrete slaughterhouse near the temple.

Worshipers believe that the animal sacrifice, meant to appease Gadhimai, the Hindu goddess of power, to bring them luck and prosperity.

Gadhimai festival is a sacrificial ritual that is held every 5 years at the Gadhimai Temple of Bariyarpur, in Bara District, about 100 miles (160 km) south of the capital Kathmandu in southern Nepal, near the Indo-Nepal border. The event involves the world's second largest sacrificial slaughter of animals after Hajj including water buffaloes, pigs, goats, chicken, rats, and pigeons – with the goal of pleasing Gadhimai, the goddess of power.

Participants believe that animal sacrifices to the Hindu goddess Gadhimai will end evil and bring prosperity.

Source:
http://pulse.com.gh/religion/in-nepal-before-the-earthquake-hinduism-devotees-killed-250-000-cows-to-celebrate-festival-id3713395.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852739/Nepal-devotees-sacrifice-thousands-animals-Hindu-ritual.html

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