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Quote from: junder on October 02, 2016, 12:37:40 AM

Bittrex is the best an exchange too, I do not have a problem there
and there is many altcoins to trading.

i agree with that.
i like bittrex over poloniex also mostly because of their charts, the charts system in bittrex is awesome in my opinion. there are too many things to work with there and make it look good and informative.

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the best exchange for me poloniex
in there high volume transaction

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Quote from: SignificantOtter3 on September 28, 2016, 05:57:10 AM

Depends on where you are. Circle is best for the UK. Coinbase for the US. Quadriga for Canada. Bit4Coin for the SEPA region

I've used Coinbase during my time in the states and have used Quadrigax (or however its spelled) during a few weeks in Canada, and I can say both are quite good. My only complaint with Canadian exchanges is the smaller volume and thus bigger disparities between buy and sell orders' values. Aside from that though, they do quite well serving their purpose.

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Bittrex is the best an exchange too, I do not have a problem there
and there is many altcoins to trading.

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

For me the best exchange it's Poloniex, fast support on chat, easy trade with altcoin

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Quote from: Doamader on September 28, 2016, 07:38:51 AM

I do have always the big ammount of my coins(around 0,10btc) at poloniex, that i do believe its the best exchange, and i do use yobit exchange besides the payment being made there always a pump starting, soo i can earn a bit extra with those.

I do use both poloniex and Yobit also. Yobit is fast and simple to use and there are more active traders also.

Sometimes I do arbitrage also between these two exchanges on most known coins and its good. Poloniex on bigger volumes but sometimes I can't cope up with prices as trading is so fast.

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

For me my favourite exchange is yobit it is super easy to use the anx the withdrawal are really fast it has a highest volime in alternative coins also you can buy bitcoin there from usd or bitcoin to usd try to buy there and sell to another exchange website see the price always.

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

my favorit eschanger is poloniex, highest volume in altcoin market place, also i can trade bitcoin to ust too, and some altcoin to usd too, im never trying withdraw using usd but some of my friend says the usd withdraw smoothly too.

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Quote from: Doamader on September 28, 2016, 07:38:51 AM

I do have always the big ammount of my coins(around 0,10btc) at poloniex, that i do believe its the best exchange, and i do use yobit exchange besides the payment being made there always a pump starting, soo i can earn a bit extra with those.

thats a lot and i dont think that it is a good idea to actually hold it in the exchange because you might lose money

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Quote from: HeroCat on September 29, 2016, 10:13:16 AM

I think the best is Poloniex exchange, this is large exchange - online around 7000 people, plus you can also search in the forum regarding this exchange too, check here - https://poloniex.com/ Grin

Yup, I also use poloniex as a place of exchange. I love poloniex because they provide outstanding service, and also a very good security, so I am a little feel secure against the Fund and also my account in the exchange.

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Quote from: Kabul on September 29, 2016, 09:33:02 AM

I really like The Rock Trading. It is the safest place to trade (online since 2007), fast support and amazing features. Moreover it has a strong policy about currency adoption. In fact they only accept few coins, without all the shit many other exchanges accept.

If you wanna sign up and start using this exchange, just click on my signature Wink

Also I use this exchanger. Safe, convenient, fast.

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I think the best is Poloniex exchange, this is large exchange - online around 7000 people, plus you can also search in the forum regarding this exchange too, check here - https://poloniex.com/ Grin

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I really like The Rock Trading. It is the safest place to trade (online since 2007), fast support and amazing features. Moreover it has a strong policy about currency adoption. In fact they only accept few coins, without all the shit many other exchanges accept.

If you wanna sign up and start using this exchange, just click on my signature Wink

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I do have always the big ammount of my coins(around 0,10btc) at poloniex, that i do believe its the best exchange, and i do use yobit exchange besides the payment being made there always a pump starting, soo i can earn a bit extra with those.

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Depends on where you are. Circle is best for the UK. Coinbase for the US. Quadriga for Canada. Bit4Coin for the SEPA region

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Well, guys I can only say that the best exchange site so far based on my experience is yobit, I like the platform because it is very simple and they have a wide variety of altcoins, also I will consider polo for coins not listed in yobit.

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very recomended exchange and trading in day trade for me

both 2 pair altcoin and fiat money you can use
1 btc-e
2 kraken

the best altcoin exchanger in trading
1 poloniex
2 bitrex
3 c-cex

the best trading site with use pair fiat money
1 huobi
2 btc-e
3 bitfinex
4 bitstamp
5 coinbase
6 kraken

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Everyone knows the best exchange is the save exchange.
Poloniex is the good one. With simple design and simple click to make some trade.

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There are a lot of good exchanges,just be careful where you store your BTC cause we've seen what happened to a number of exchanges which were also considered quite good,you know,just be careful

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I use Poloniex, Yobit, Bitkonan. It depends from time to time. Never had any issues with none of these exchangers so I can recommend them all. They are trustable and have good support and customer service, that is realy important. I think that also pay attention to security which is quite important because of possible hackers attack.

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Quote from: Dudeperfect on September 14, 2016, 08:32:19 AM

I am not sure about higher volumes but usually I trade at yobit because it’s user friendly and cheaper (compared with some other exchanges I used so far) and I think interface is absolutely clean and tidy so it makes easier to trade in 600+ alt coin pairs. You can call this as an advertisement but that’s my experience about it.

The Poloniex could be a good exchange for the altcoin trading. The trading volumes there is quite large.

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I am not sure about higher volumes but usually I trade at yobit because it’s user friendly and cheaper (compared with some other exchanges I used so far) and I think interface is absolutely clean and tidy so it makes easier to trade in 600+ alt coin pairs. You can call this as an advertisement but that’s my experience about it.

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I am from india and here the best exchange is btcxindia.com here I always buy and sell btc and get them on very less fees.

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what is your trading pair ?
if you trading pair altcoin it the best exchange poloniex and bitrex
if you use pair USD/btc the best exchange is btc-e and bitfinex
and you play pair yuan btc the best exchange huobi and okcoin

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No doubt people, it is poloniex for me because they are popular and they have a great volume that would give us a good chance to do day trading profitably. On the other hand, I should also consider bittrex because it is the only site that trade waves.

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

You have got lots of suggestion about which exchange is the best, but I want to tell you that choose the fastest and the correct one. For example a while ago yobit was much better for ETH rather than poloniex even though poloniex had the biggest volume of all exchanges, why yobit was better is that the confirmation time/number of confirmation was 30 comparing with poloniex which was 320. So what I'm trying to say is choose the best for that coin that you want to trade for.

I never faced any problem at yobit till the moment, i just use poloniex and yobit as my exchanges the others i dont need them and i dont like them at all, i had once traded on the c-cex and other one, i had registed account at kraken and bitfinex but i dont use them since the registration. For me its something about the trust into the exchange and provide a great service.

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Till now I am working on Yobit only but I also want to exchange my bitcoins on another exchange, I am thinking to join cex.io I hope it will work better for me, and will not have any problem to me.

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

okcoin and huobi are high volume low fees

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Quote from: Intristing on July 20, 2016, 04:00:57 PM

I use the Poloniex exchange. I main use it to trade altcoin, it is quite reliable. The withdraw of coins is also fast.

Poloniex is great because the alts there got a good volume, but when it comes to trust I still prefer bittrex above any exchange for altcoins.
But, i don't trust them more then 5 bitcoin.

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Quote from: btccraze2 on July 05, 2016, 09:03:38 PM

for me the best exchange most probably is bittrex because there are a lot of cryptos

yeah, i also really like it, to be honest because of the crypto variety i also like yobit exchange as it is really cool

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

You have got lots of suggestion about which exchange is the best, but I want to tell you that choose the fastest and the correct one. For example a while ago yobit was much better for ETH rather than poloniex even though poloniex had the biggest volume of all exchanges, why yobit was better is that the confirmation time/number of confirmation was 30 comparing with poloniex which was 320. So what I'm trying to say is choose the best for that coin that you want to trade for.

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I use the Poloniex exchange. I main use it to trade altcoin, it is quite reliable. The withdraw of coins is also fast.

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for me the best exchange most probably is bittrex because there are a lot of cryptos

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I faithfully use Circle for my usd---> btc transactions. I'm quite happy with them. Then if my mood is such that I want to buy Dash, say, then I trade my bitcoin for it on Yobit. I did use Cryptsy. RIP, Cryptsy. You will be missed.

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Quote from: Stargazer on April 29, 2015, 06:28:16 AM

Quote from: randy8777 on April 29, 2015, 05:10:58 AM

it's quite a personal preference. non asian exchanges have pretty steep fees if your trade volume is lower than a certain amount. if you're asian then join okcoin or huobi as they don't have fees.

But at least they aren't faking their volume Wink

I'd say BTC-E if you value anonymity and Bitfinex if you want high volume, but it's best to avoid all exchanges if you can.

You are right exchanges are not good in the moment. In the meantime just keep your btc in your wallet as it may still increase its monetary value. In my experience though a newbie in trading sometimes it is very risky and time consuming. So its better to let bitcoin in your wallet and it will surely earn without doing any exchanges. It is safe, time saving and efficiently earning

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bitfinex playing a major rule in bitcoin. for me the best exchange is bitfinex and the second is folenix.
last time when bitfinex got down for maintenance reason. then bitcoin price started dropping suddenly.. and it decrease 200$ and again reach 500$ even it was 780$ before just one day.
it proves that bitfinex how big in bitcoin industry and how important also.

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

I've been trading for a long time on Poloniex.
They are pretty secure,withdrawal systems is really great,no requotes no strange thing's going on.
I really recommend this site,poloniex won my grateful hehe

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still didn't find the best exchange so far, mostly required real identity.
well actually i used my local bitcoin exchange(vip.bitcoin.co.id), i satisfied with their service although their WD fees for transfer to local bank is pretty high.

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Quote from: eddyubachs on August 17, 2015, 02:04:40 PM

for btc usd trading btc-e.com is one of the best option and if you want to trade altcoins then you should go with poloniex.com,

poloniex is not suitable for those who have not had an identity card,
and I think the polo loading is very slow, I think for better altcoins exchange in bittrex Cheesy

actually in poloniex you just write your full name to get an access to take a transaction, it's take a limit, but it's pretty high limit i think.
bittrex is high volume, this is my favorite altcoin exchange.

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as far as i know that the best exchange is bitfinex, but i prefer using bittrex and poloniex some people dont like poloniex because they wont upload their identity to remove the limit, but i ever heard that the best exchange is coin.mx but actually i never tried it,isn't it?

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Kraken is very legit with good volume,thare is very good to looking for legitimate and secure exchange

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Quote from: eternalgloom on August 18, 2015, 01:40:36 AM

I've always been perfectly content using Kraken, the one time I had a problem with a deposit not coming through, they replied and fixed it after an hour.
Their fees are also pretty decent.

Kraken is a great exchange and I use it a lot since I am based in Europe and I do many transactions in Euros. Great thing about them is that they don't require you to send them documents for a verification if you trade up to a certain amount each month.

Also it seems that their security audits are correct, one of the few exchanges that provide their audits so we can see all of our funds are there and available.

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Quote from: Snorek on April 29, 2015, 02:53:35 PM

Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

You need to be cautious with bitcoin exchanges. The problem right now is: they want your credentials and personal information. These data can be stored and used in the future - for example personal data people from MtGox were transferred to IRS AFAIK. Don't be surprised when tax agency will send you bitcoin tax form in the future just because you sell/buy bitcoin via exchange.

Necessary information. thanks you.

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Quote from: andysbizz on August 19, 2015, 05:21:36 AM

I think the best exchange it's Poloniex and btc-e and bitfinex.

I would have agreed with your recommendation of bitfinex until today, but my confidence has been slightly shaken. I still think it's the best exchange out there currently (if you want to use margin). I can't wait for there to be a solid US based exchange with actual volume. I'm not sure if one will ever exist though with all the regulation and requirements. At this point Gemini seems like a unicorn...

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I think the best exchange it's Poloniex and btc-e and bitfinex.

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Quote from: eddyubachs on August 17, 2015, 02:04:40 PM

for btc usd trading btc-e.com is one of the best option and if you want to trade altcoins then you should go with poloniex.com,

poloniex is not suitable for those who have not had an identity card,
and I think the polo loading is very slow, I think for better altcoins exchange in bittrex Cheesy

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I've always been perfectly content using Kraken, the one time I had a problem with a deposit not coming through, they replied and fixed it after an hour.
Their fees are also pretty decent.

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Quote from: davidorentol on August 17, 2015, 02:03:27 PM

finex is rigged like china exchanges

What exactly are you talking about, how finex is rigged? It is the biggest volume USD operated exchange. Do you have any proof.
Well, I am now curious because MtGox at some point was the biggest exchange as well. So now I am being wary about any news.

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for btc usd trading btc-e.com is one of the best option and if you want to trade altcoins then you should go with poloniex.com,

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finex is rigged like china exchanges

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I think that huge part of what is your preferable exchange is the place where you live really. It does not matter if Bitfinex or Bitstamp are the biggest and most reputable in US.
Chinese won't use it but instead they will prefer OkCoin or bitcn. I am waiting for one big global and decentralized exchange, then I will say this is the best service.

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The btc-e has existed for half a decade and I've used it from the past 3 years, I have never encounterred any problem, there has been bugs sometimes but they are fixed soon. Never encountered there website to be down or something, they provide anonymity and respect regulations, I appreciate that. With creating a monopoly in this field, they obviously score an upper hand compared to the competition but still, there is competition out there.

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I will recommended you with Poloniex, the best trading platform nowadays with low fees and good community..

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Btc-e is a good exchange for day trading, in my opinion.
On this exchange, if you want to trade between btc/usd then you can do it even without doing aml/KYC.

But of you want to withdraw usd then you will have to do aml/kyc.

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i think it has not been mentioned so far. i switched over from poloniex to ccedk.com two weeks ago and i am pretty surprised about the exchange. it has less volume for some coins, but it is user-friendly and secure. And the founder is very helpful and supportive. My new favourite.

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Bitfinex and Bitstamp are good enough for me.I am very happy with their service.Please note that they are exchanges not banks.Do not keep money for long term.

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btc-e.com without a doubt. i tried them all. btc-e is the most stable/no-lag/bug-free exchange there is.

and for the worst: definitely cryptsy. stay away from there.

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Find some one to exchange with cash will be the best exchange. Try localbitcoin exchange, it may work for out for you.

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i think its bittrex

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not sure what you are trying to exchange coins or fiat , btc ect.... banx io is a great exchange though

https://www.banx.io/

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for me it is bitstamp, couple of years with these guys and every-time they help me when I need..

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bitstamp, kraken, coinbase....

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/

choose a big exchange and an exchange with some funding in the past if you dont want to lose all the money...

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CEX.IO. idk for some reason I like the volume they have with altcoins and btc.

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best exchange is probably localbitcoins, esp when you get it on the spot.

not waiting for some bull crap wire transfer confirmation, or other misc problems that you have to deal with.

you may pay a premium, but theres no serious wait.

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you can try Chinese exchange platform, such as btcchina, okcoin and huobi, they all good and almost zero trade fee.

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Quote from: BRE on May 04, 2015, 03:44:08 PM

For me cryptsy and bittrex, never had a problem with both exchange since last year.
My worst nightmare is mintpal.

Did you loose coins on Mintpal?

I got my coins out 3 weeks before, by pure accident, I decided to sell all my litecoins (~50 LTC) and got the bitcoins out of the exhange. And then 3 weeks later, they f***** ran with all the coins, talking about being a dick.

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The two exchanges I prefer you can find in my signature

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bittrex, poloniex best exchange to trader altcoin
and trade bitcoin btc-e good choice
i think the best exchange that.

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Poloniex is good but seems to be biased towards some definite altcoins, neglecting other perspective ones

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bittrex and poloniex is a good exchange.

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for bitcoin and major coins BTC-e is my first choice, we just can't trade many altcoins their Sad

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

btc-e for about 5 years now, never seamed to have any problems, and on rare occasions when there is something wrong, they fix it asap, at least it was like that in my cases.
anonymity is another plus, atleast until regulations force them to change that, 2fa just to be sure. Its hard to compete with exchanges that have a long history like that.

cheers

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Does anybody here have any experience with kraken? I signed up with them a while back, but I've not used them yet.

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For me cryptsy and bittrex, never had a problem with both exchange since last year.
My worst nightmare is mintpal.

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You need to look forward for the Gemini exchange by the Winklevoss brothers. Im moving all of my fiat based BTC/fiat operations over there as soon as I can. Those damn twins are taking their time, but its better to make it slow and good than rush a release that would ruin BTC big time if something goes Gox.

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For me BTC-E and Bitstamp are exchanges I never had any issues with. At this point they are not exchanges with the highest volume, but if you remove the fake volume from the Chinese exchanges, BTC-E and Bitstamp will compete on top.

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I think Poloniex is the safest and most honest for altcoin trading. They do make an attempt to filter scam coins and paycoin(XPY) would be an example.

The only thing that pisses me off is delisting coins which most exchanges do.

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i think the best exchange is btc-e, bittrex and poloniex
you can try it.
good luck.

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You should better asked what is the most securest one instead of high volume and low fees. I can recommend Poloniex as one of the best exchanges. Okay, there is partly low volume (depends on the coin) but has a really good support and there have not been any hacks or negative news so far.

Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

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Checkout Bitfinex, they recently made improvements recently for traders and they are #2 volume.

http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/04/28/729278/0/en/Bitfinex-Completes-AlphaPoint-Integration.html

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I think a distinction needs to be made between alt-coin exchanges like poloniex and cryptsy and sites where you exchange national currencies for bitcoin. I don't have a lot of experience with the latter, only coinbase that you should avoid for a large number of reasons, but with the former I have enjoyed trading on poloniex.

I would agree with others that have said not to keep any more coin than you need to on the exchanges.

Good Luck!

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I will make regular use of an exchange when there's one that can guarantee they're not going to front run me, fake their numbers or run away with all the cash. Until then there isn't a best exchange.

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Keep your funds and trades spread across various exchanges.
It's best not to use any exchanges for storing your coins as they often unexpectedly go down or get hacked.
BTC-e can be good but there are various risks involved. Coinbase isn't too bad. For quick conversions, use shapeshift.io.
Other than that I would recommend a few others but they've all had some issues recently like hacks and thefts.

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btc-e.com - btc, ltc, they could add a new coin, maybe Dash?
bittrex.com - great support and a lot of altcoins

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Quote from: Enzyme on April 29, 2015, 04:35:10 AM

What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

What is the best exchange to daytrade with?

You need to be cautious with bitcoin exchanges. The problem right now is: they want your credentials and personal information. These data can be stored and used in the future - for example personal data people from MtGox were transferred to IRS AFAIK. Don't be surprised when tax agency will send you bitcoin tax form in the future just because you sell/buy bitcoin via exchange.

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i think the best exchange is poloniex and bittrex
for bittrex the highest volume
for poloniex lowest fee.

happy trading.

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My current favorite is Poloniex. I enjoy the dark layout which feels nice on the eyes. If you are going to daytrade for hours it's an important feature to not end up blind, besides obvious reasons like great volume and good selection of coins.

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My personal favorite is cryptsy.
Been using it for some years now.
While it is slow as F*** and sometime you get the feeling that they will steal your money,
they always resolved the issue and I never lost funds.
So I consider them very trustworthy.

The only thing is, don't expect to get fund fast on/off the bay.
But I guess as a day trader you need to have the coins permanently on the bay since minutuss really will coint when day trading. they have 2Fa too.

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Both btc-e and bitfinex are pretty good.

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Quote from: Stargazer on April 29, 2015, 06:28:16 AM

Quote from: randy8777 on April 29, 2015, 05:10:58 AM

it's quite a personal preference. non asian exchanges have pretty steep fees if your trade volume is lower than a certain amount. if you're asian then join okcoin or huobi as they don't have fees.

But at least they aren't faking their volume Wink

I'd say BTC-E if you value anonymity and Bitfinex if you want high volume, but it's best to avoid all exchanges if you can.

That's also my opinion.
For maximum privacy it's best to avoid all exchanges and trade in person. But btc-e is also a good choice in that regard.

Indeed, Asian exchanges have long been suspected to generate fractional reserve Bitcoin by paying out "interest" - so you should be careful with them. Needless to say: Don't store large amounts of Bitcoin on any exchange!

I'd advise against daytrading. More than 90% of traders loose money in the long run - they greatly overestimate their abilities. It's not worth the risk. Better do some extra work for your Bitcoin, then buy and hodl. It's much more relaxing.

ya.ya.yo!

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Quote from: randy8777 on April 29, 2015, 05:10:58 AM

it's quite a personal preference. non asian exchanges have pretty steep fees if your trade volume is lower than a certain amount. if you're asian then join okcoin or huobi as they don't have fees.

But at least they aren't faking their volume Wink

I'd say BTC-E if you value anonymity and Bitfinex if you want high volume, but it's best to avoid all exchanges if you can.

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comparison based on march of this year

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_trading_exchanges

this seems good https://coin.mx/, but i never tried it

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it's quite a personal preference. non asian exchanges have pretty steep fees if your trade volume is lower than a certain amount. if you're asian then join okcoin or huobi as they don't have fees.

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What is the highest volume, lowest fee exchange?

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