Topic: Best Way to Carry Your Seed When Traveling Or Moving Abroad? (Read 1983 times)

Of course, the safest way is to use your memory. Still, it's better to have several options in case one fails. So, I'd suggest encrypting it or using the hardware wallet. You can also be creative and write down a confusing text where your seed will be hidden.

Why do you have to carry your backups around when you are travelling or moving abroad?

If you want to keep your backups safely, you should keep them at safe locations like somewhere at home.

If you want to use your bitcoins when you are traveling but with less harmful effects on your main wallets, you can create a new empty wallet, and send part of your bitcoin from a main wallet to a new one. These part of your bitcoins will be used when you are traveling.

If you lose it, you lose your sub-wallet, not your main wallet. You won't lose your backups when traveling.

After I watch this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-properly-store-seed-phrase-during-inspection-5430458 that using paper not actually that good it will be better using my second option steel wallet and buried in somewhere your house right

It is still simple to do. Seed phrase is line up according to the way that they are ordered and if they are interchange it will not be accurate so you can write it down the way that it is interchanged for the third party and if they try to login it in, it won't and give error message and only you will know how you have changed it but this is better for a short journey so that you will not forget it. You can also have another method of omitting some letters but for a short journey.

Have you thought about using a multisig setup and only crossing a border with one of your keys and then asking someone you trust to hold another key and you only move funds when you have safely crossed a border?

You could even do this with a wallet like Nunchuk or something and only have to keep a single key on yourself so you wouldn't have to worry about being compromised when you cross a border. If you get searched, you don't have any bitcoin on your person. This would require you to have some help form a trusted third party but it would protect your funds from being compromised.

Another thing you could do is to generate a new empty wallet and have a number of signed transactions that you haven't broadcast that send money from your existing wallet to your new empty wallet and only send the new transactions when you need the funds. This would require minimal trust from a third party or even yourself and then you could cross a border with little to no bitcoin on you and then send yourself funds once you were safe on the other side. You could even keep the signed transaction on the cloud and only broadcast when you need them. This way, you wouldn't even put any of your funds at risk.

I have spent a good bit of time thinking of exactly this but hopefully it never comes to this and there's a government somewhere that actually cares about its people and doing the right thing and preserving the rights of the people.

I don't think that will ever happen but I can at least hope for the best.

People are now quite aware about cryptocurrencies. Older people did not get any means of knowing about any subject within few moments. But nowadays, with the influence of technology, people can now bring everything in their hand. It does not take much time to learn about any unknown subject.

In my perspective there is no person in the world who doesn't know more or less about something like Bitcoin and with the change of day everyone is aware about Bitcoin and Seed Phrases. If OP wants to carry his own seed phrase while traveling somewhere then he can. If the written seed phrase goes through scanning normally, there shouldn't be any problems. But I think there are many places in online you can remembering your secret password and storing it there won't be a big problem. I have yet to come across any such case where the seed phrase written on paper is checked.

You've got the right idea about this. I don't know any nation prohibits papers and there boarder officers will go about searching that out. I don't like the idea of a piece of paper even as that could be misplaced anytime, not even when you've got it in a wallet as that's a target for pickpockets. Probably, a book would be nice.

I've read from some people who even gets to translate there seed into there local dialect and perhaps starts from a reverse side in its understanding. Perhaps you could use a different mixup entirely but what you can easily understand and others won't. You get it coded in your own terms and move around with it without anyone else getting to know what you carry.

I can't have my side online for any reason. It just never feels safe.

Which wallet are you talking about here? The one that contains our identity cards and some little money? If yes, what if it get lost? It's not even ideal to be moving around with your seeds unless it is unavoidable circumstances. Encryption is the best way though it is some how dangerous and risky when you are dealing with a lot of issues.

For people who like traveling or moving places, they will not store seeds in any place or do careless things like writing on a piece of paper.
When traveling you have to store the seeds in a place with a higher level of security, you can use this storage area SentrySafe H0100. This Seed storage area is also equipped with Security Protection, Fire Protection and Water Protection. So you don't have to worry when you're driving the Seed you're bringing flying or getting hit by water.

when i travel abroad, I don't want to have my seed in the apartment as I don't think that is safe.  Where im located, there is lot of breakins... thats how it is here.  Thief would take electronics and wallet etc.  Doesn't matter what neighborhood you are in... its like this here and very common.  So people that say move... well most places are like this.  Even places that has security.  And because of this, i left my seed back in the US.  I mean look even in those rich places in california, you have breakins etc.

So, you can save your seed phrase in your mobile phones in your secret keywords. Only you can understand it what you have written. So, it is very difficult to understand for anyone. It is not a safe way to carry your seed phrase when you are travelling. So, keep it at secure place in your house and save this key in your mobile phone. You can capture their picture, You can copy it and send it to your own number by text message.

No matter how much you protect your accounts, password, and login data, you will not be able to secure your accounts on any site fully. Unfortunately, cyberbullying is now a developed industry for criminals. So it would be best if you write everything down on a piece of paper and put it in the breast pocket of your shirt. When I did european removals switzerland, I always did exactly that. Thus, no one will be able to find the data in the conversation materials, in your file-sharing sites, in your email. By the way, do not forget to set up double authentication on each site on which you are registered if you have such an opportunity.

Some people are paranoid about tight security systems while others are not aware that you have a bitcoin wallet. I have a solution so you don't have to worry too much about keeping phrase seeds in your pocket wherever you are, maybe you can follow these simple steps:
- buy mini flash disk for seed phrase file storage
- convert the seed phrase text to a different format, for example binary then save the file without the extension format.
- add files to .zip with password access
- add another file to save the file, inside a .zip file or some files outside the directory of that file.

There are so much thing we can do to keep our seeds safe, it is just a couple of words that can be keep in private without others looking on to that.

Putting a small piece of wax paper written your seeds and keeping inside your shirt? or in Tag names? that is enough for the safe keeping .

This is quite an easy and possible solution. No one will seize or take away the notepad, but we don't know what is our fate. As a common man we can easily move to different countries carrying the notepad. By some problem while we're travelling someone stole the luggage carrying the notepad, what to do. To avoid such scenario memorizing it is good choice or should have the same stored in some other tale.

Recently saw a post in which it is mentioned about Danish police having the right to seize belongings of people entering the country as refugee. By situation if we turn to be a refugee and was to enter Denmark what to do?

 I still %100 believe that Ledger should be enough. I mean you have your hardware wallet with you, and you know how to get into it, and it is safe. You can go anywhere with it, and even use any PC you want to connect it and get a hold of your money as well. It is always risk that you may lose it, but I am sure there must be some way to get them back right? If not, then you should be very careful with it All in all you could go anywhere in the world and it will be right there, in your pocket. What other type of safety would you need? It could be definitely stolen, crash, broken, wet or so but I am sure there must be some backup plan for all of that.

People do really love to complicate things even if it wasnt really that needed much for them to do which they could simply make use of the current or latest gadgets without any problems and without
going into much more extent on having those seeds on a book or notepad or something because other storage alone would be just enough and not to make yourself on a hassle just because you
are just too paranoid when it comes to safety of your keys.Well, its understandable but it shouldnt really be ending up on being complicated or going with the basic things in life.
Having a phone or laptop should be enough and any check ups wouldnt really go into the point on checking on everything.They wouldnt able to find out.

Going abroad, why you should buy a cheap notepad? Is it forbidden to travel with a laptop or iPhone?

I was traveling to Germany, I had an iPhone with me and I took my laptop with me, no problem.

The thing in Notepad is a very trivial thing, it can be lost at any time, so if you want to write a story, you can save it on your iPhone or laptop without writing it in Notepad, It is much safer.

Hahaha! If they get too interested on the story, then the crypto enthusiast might think about publishing a book and nobody will be able to identify which are the seed's words yet, since they will be among so many others.
Moreover, it must be a good marketing strategy to advertise a book: hey, my bitcoin wallet's seed is on this book, find it if you can and the btcs held there will be yours (but you need to buy the book first)!

This suggestion has been given by few people here and guess what the staff at the airports are reading these suggestions too. 
Next time if you see them looking at your notebook and taking interest in the story written on that notebook, be alert, they are searching for your seed