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Topic: [BETA]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading - page 28. (Read 137528 times)

legendary
Activity: 2618
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It's now back at 817%... Huh

I know that a lot of cheap loans were taken, but wasn't there a change that VIR factors in old data too to make sure it doesn't jump that much any more? It got dampened quite a bit when rates were soaring but now it jumps around more than a kitten on speed...

Anyways, I still have kept my trusty lendee who has a 2500% loan open for a couple hundred USD already for a few days and another one for a 1500% loan - dudes, you rock! Grin

To have 1% per day returns, one needs 405% uninsured and soon 522% insured - and currently there are far higher than 1% moves in the market still.
sr. member
Activity: 446
Merit: 250
CAT.EX Exchange
Damn, VIR took a plunge in just a few hours from above 800% to below 400% - how is this even possible?! Undecided

Borrowers are less willing to take risks on long leveraged positions.
They might have lost some money and need a break.
It's understandable.
On the other hand 400% isn't something to complain about, is it?
;-)

Giancarlo
Customers Relations
The Bitfinex Team

hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
Damn, VIR took a plunge in just a few hours from above 800% to below 400% - how is this even possible?! Undecided

I saw how: during the last hours before the re-start of Mt.Gox, a lot of loans appeared back. Then people started to collect cheap loans. And more cheap offers 100% - 300% where constantly added. On the other hand, the amount of available VIR offers remained rather stable. People just preferred those cheaper offers, which caused more lenders to offer below 500%

Fascinating how a free market adjusts itself....
legendary
Activity: 2618
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Damn, VIR took a plunge in just a few hours from above 800% to below 400% - how is this even possible?! Undecided
sr. member
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Merit: 250
hero member
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Merit: 500
Now what to do?

Isn't this a nice chance for everyone to make the internal Bitfinex exchange more vivid?
Like, e.g. doing a bit of market making?
legendary
Activity: 938
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
And now the trading page displays the "Mt.Gox seems to have an issue" warning

Just  Cool

it works!
mtgox is down  Undecided

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It's not just you! http://mtgox.com looks down from here.
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
And now the trading page displays the "Mt.Gox seems to have an issue" warning

Just  Cool

it works!
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
seems we've gotten the first Mt.Gox orders into the Bitfinex 2nd level orderbook!

...Bid side is filling up with orders just below $80
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
chaos is fun...…damental :)
How come the price I can buy for is less then the price I can sell for according to live numbers on the exchange?  This seems to be happening frequently?
wait for the orders to be processed and you will see that bids always get under the ask
hero member
Activity: 763
Merit: 500
How come the price I can buy for is less then the price I can sell for according to live numbers on the exchange?  This seems to be happening frequently?
legendary
Activity: 1868
Merit: 1023
I wonder why the BFX price is so much higher than other markets?  It is around $100 vs $70.

member
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Proof-of-Stake Blockchain Network
MtGox has halted trading totally until 2013-04-12 11;00:00 UTC. As a result, only orders routed on Bitfinex will be processed until then.

As you can see in the screenshot I added both orders are BFX orders.


Same here.  I would like to snap up a juicy order that I see on the BFX list - mine just goes to the other side too.   I tried a market order and it executed $4 higher than what is listed. 
hero member
Activity: 602
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Weird that there are still so few bears... Huh
Nobody dares to go short or what?

probably most traders have tried that out by now. Since it is going against the fundamental trend, you need to be able to jump ship at the right moment. But in most cases, at that time there is such an Gox-lag that you'll get out with a loss. Thus I guess we'll see more shorting only if the price stays in a stable price band for some time, or even changes to a slow downward trend.
legendary
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On the other end we need to learn from what happened and after a long skype meeting with our "deep pocketed" Hong Kong financial investors (that hate losing money more than I do) we decided to implement the following rules:

1) Market is too volatile at the moment, therefore maximum leverage of 1:5  will be temporarily suspended. Only 1:2.5 leverage will be possible starting from friday the 12th of April 00.00 GMT. Therefore all traders using 1:5 should calmly wind up their positions, they have plenty of time to do that.
All 1:5 positions not liquidated by the deadline will get into forced liquidations until the ratio 1:2.5 is reached.

2) We will soon create 2 different lending options. Insured ones and non insured ones. The lender that choses to be insured will not lose any money in case his borrower can't be liquidated in time because of MtGox malfunction (re-quote or lag). The lender that doesn't choses to be insured will have to face the hard reality of life and eat a loss if a phenomenon like the one of yesterday will repeat (from 260 to 105 and no visibility where the market stood). Bitfinex commission on interest for non insured lenders will remain unchanged at 10% while the insured one will be 30%. It's up to you to make the right choice, whether sleep safe but make a little less (still a helluvalot ! ) or to risk and boogie when the sea gets rough.
Or as they say in France: faites vos jeux!

For the few that will consider 30% too high we reserve the right to take down the commission on insured lending once this proves to be too conservative.
Please try to understand we are in unknown waters and we are just trying to make things work.

Makes sense to me.  Thats why I proposed to raise the trading fees in the past, you need bigger profit margins to counter the risk and losses, especially when volume and volatility is picking up.  Hope this will allow bitfinex to build a decent 'warchest reserve'.  SatoshiDice operated at a loss too at the start...
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
MtGox has halted trading totally until 2013-04-12 11;00:00 UTC. As a result, only orders routed on Bitfinex will be processed until then.

As you can see in the screenshot I added both orders are BFX orders.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
Hello,

MtGox has halted trading totally until 2013-04-12 11;00:00 UTC. As a result, only orders routed on Bitfinex will be processed until then.

If you see unmatched offers, that means they are not routed to Bitfinex, and that you have good arbitrage opportunities to catch.

Let us know if you have any question
Best regards,
Raphael
legendary
Activity: 2618
Merit: 1007
Gox seems to have come to their senses and halted trading for a while. The 2nd level order book however still shows offers from there... Either the api from gox still returns an order book or bitfinex needs to be made aware that actually one of its exchanges is dead right now. Especially if there are more exchanges integrated in the future this will be a thing that can happen from time to time.
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
do BFX trades get matched at all currently? There's a bid: BTC 24.5 BTC @135. I put an ask: 1 BTC @135 and it just sits there.



legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
2) We will soon create 2 different lending options. Insured ones and non insured ones. The lender that choses to be insured will not lose any money in case his borrower can't be liquidated in time because of MtGox malfunction (re-quote or lag). The lender that doesn't choses to be insured will have to face the hard reality of life and eat a loss if a phenomenon like the one of yesterday will repeat (from 260 to 105 and no visibility where the market stood). Bitfinex commission on interest for non insured lenders will remain unchanged at 10% while the insured one will be 30%. It's up to you to make the right choice, whether sleep safe but make a little less (still a helluvalot ! ) or to risk and boogie when the sea gets rough.
Or as they say in France: faites vos jeux!

For the few that will consider 30% too high we reserve the right to take down the commission on insured lending once this proves to be too conservative.
Please try to understand we are in unknown waters and we are just trying to make things work.

I find this a little confusing, are you saying that lenders lost money yesterday but you repaid them? If not then why do you need to offer this 2 tier system?

Or alternatively, If this two tier system already existed when the crash happened, what would of our outcome been? Say I had $10,000 loaned out insured and $10,000 loaned out uninsured when the price went from $266 to $105.

Would have the uninsured actually lost money? Are you saying the LAG caused positions not to close quick enough?

Please explain, cheers.
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