Topic: Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback (Read 1154 times)

Considering this is your first post in this thread ... (it is your first post - isn't it?) ... please don't ass/u/me we read posts of yours in other threads...

 

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15195222

Considering he was providing signed messages, I am not sure how much more clear I could have been.

Nah, it's gotten less agressive but I don't think it has anything to do with leftist politics so much as members like you have been gone for a while.  The mood definitely shifts when certain members go away.

Supported. 

Yeah, probably.  New members most likely don't have an immediate interest in forum goings-on unless they've been lurking for a while like I did before I registered this account.  I just gave 2 merits to Primenumber7 for a post here, since it was a decent one but I'm hoping that account isn't a QS alt.  I don't know how many he controls these days.

I don't think you are reviewing this matter seriously, it looks like passing comments which are like fantasy. But your true heart would knew, QS hopefully has better strategies to hide his accounts, it not an connecting address game anymore.

Blazr didn't posted from June 14, 2016, he was last active before more than 180 days, the scammer whoever it is the original owner or impersonator didn't tried to scam publicly but via PM. It was surely pretty unpredictable even to the most active users here. Even none of the details of the profile are changed after they woke up like email or password. This just incline me to think the account is most probably still in control of the real owner, I mean he as already did this before by taking a gap from 2015 to 2016, so he can take interest here again.

I don't think this gunshots would hurt someone who has generated thick skin here from years.

It seems to me that this section is weaker than ever, maybe the army of wanking leftists and "modern-progressive liberals" has finally scaremongered people to refrain from acting.

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Man up, otherwise you're just worthless bags of meat.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=921

...and yet he never saw Blazr scamming coming - did he? Ouch that gun-shot to the foot must have hurt...  

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Goodness me - did I say that... tut-tut, perish the thought...  

Are you inferring that PrimeNumber7 is Quickseller? After doing a quick review of PrimeNumber7's post history, they definitely appear to be the alt of somebody. Their very first post was in Meta, which is a dead giveaway for being an alt.


Really -- a first post about theymos and Copper Memberships? Anybody else here mention theymos in their very first post on the forum?

Their writing style is rather similar, and they tend to be interested in the same issues (as well as have a habit of poking their head into issues that don't concern them).

I apologize if this was already "common knowledge;" its news to me.

Have you noticed he is here from much long time and could have generated a good sort of judgement skills in identifying users here or faces behind a familiar accusation.

Afterall, he is one of the most prominent and active "protesters" here.

I don't think he fills the spaces with non-sense and he doesn't even control the Blazr's account, as QS would not have that stupid strategies of scamming BTC from an casino, he could have used the account in more harmful ways for sure.

Has anyone else noticed that whenever Quickseller seems to speak as though he is familiar with the person at the centre of an accusation all he really does if fill three or four paragraphs with non-sence? 

You are correct, I had not seen the published PM prior to posting my post (I had saved the thread to comment at a later date, and had not reviewed the entire thread prior to posting; this is one reason why I wish to avoid drama related threads).

The last posts in Blazr's post history is him addressing indications his account was compromised. He produced a signed message, but maybe someone was able to obtain his private keys. I also noticed that Blazr left his rating about a month after he last posted. Prior to these posts, Blazr had not posted for several months. Maybe in late 2015, Blazr decided he did not want to participate in the forum anymore.

I also see a clear effort to hide a potion of Blazr's post history. I don't know if this is because of something nefarious, or to enhance his privacy, or both.

I looked at the PM from many different angles, and I don't believe Blazr is someone who should be trusted. It appears that he is trying to sell trust, which perverts the trust system. He specifically said he would use the coin he received to gamble at betcoin, but using the same coin defeats the point of not using test chips. My opinion would be different if Blazr had offered to return the coin, net of any gain or loss after testing various games, and withdrawing.

6^th July 2018 to 11^th January 2019 is about 180+ days

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Then if my hypothesis is correct, Blazr's email (on the UID page) which can be seen by anyone logged in would have to have been hacked along with the BCT account.

OR

Blazr has gone rogue after-all.

According to BPIP https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Blazr

Blazr woke up just in time to receive the message:






Blazr (or whoever controls the UID) must have had email notifications set up to "wake up" within hours of the message being sent by Betcoin.AG

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The Blazr UID page was last archive on 25th September 2018 and shows the account was at that point was


How long do you have to be asleep for before the "woke up" flag occurs?

Added him to my distrust list as well.

No, We do not want another Pandora box to be opened.
Already have enough of these from them and now they have got another point to start trolling again. 

I have done the same (the ~) and not sure what you and Lauda is smoking now :-P

Lauda!  You're back.  Now it's only a matter of time until cryptohunter and his posse of multiple pathological personalities starts ranting again. 

I think I know who you have in mind, and it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.  I don't even remember the last time I saw the name Blazr, and it is odd that that account would suddenly become embroiled in something like this, an extortion attempt of a gambling site. 

And yeah, given the inactivity of the account I don't think Blazr should still be on any level of DT.  I had a feeling the screenshot wasn't faked (just intuition), and TECSHARE's post just makes that feeling stronger.  It's a scammy thing to do, and Blazr should be removed from DT if he hasn't been already.  I'm going to ~ him in my trust list.

I'm kind of relieved it wasn't one of the currently active DT members. Interesting that Blazr has not posted for 3 years but responded to Betcoin's PM.

Someone inactive for 3 years should have been removed from DT a long time ago I think, maybe after 1 year?

It was a topic of discussion at the time it happened, and has continued to be since then. Privacy is very important to this community and we weren't sure of the fallout that would occur from publishing a private message. In hindsight, we see that it is more important to the community to expose a breach of trust. And while we don't expect this sort of thing to happen again, if it did we would certainly come forward sooner. We wish to thank everyone for their support on this matter and are glad it could be resolved.

Betcoin.AG why take so long to report this case? What action did you take when you received this PM in January? Did you just ignore the proposal and move on as if nothing had happened?

It also means that  blazr account hacked or just change ownership has something more to investigate ?  Maybe anyone can email him to get his attention on this matter.

Thanks for solved the confusion.

I excluded (~Blazr) from my trust list and seems he is no longer on DT network.

We don't know exactly about his account if it's been changed hand. But I can't see pass or email changed history on BPIP. So I have decide to leave negative feedback to him by referring this thread, so he would defend himself once he will come online.

If other DT's are not agree with my opinion feel free to leave counter feedback's.

I can confirm it was reported and it appears to be legitimate. Blazr hasn't been online in a long time but he probably should be excluded.


Yeah. You would have thought this sort of extortion would be made public asap.

You have one chance to guess who controls that account.

*eats popcorn* 

The only thing which strikes my mind is why did you hide this information for 10 months.
You could have revealed this in Jan 2019, when the incident occurred. Any main reason for this ?

opps, when you will read the screenshot you should realize why they offer 'test chips'. I can't see anything wrong there. They didn't offer exactly to remove their feedback. There was accusation which has solved but they didn't removed feedback. That's why Betcoin.AG offered to play on their site for experience how they improved their site. I think there is no option for manipulate on gambling, otherwise all site will gain money and users will loss. I will not put money on any site post testing purposes, who will return it if lost. Probably that was reason why Betcoin.AG offered 'test chips'.


However, I can't go any conclusion until verify PM. I have request to 'hilariousandco'  and sent PM for take a look here. Hope we will go to final solution.

Why were you offering the person 'test chips' in the first place? Was this done in the context of the person possibly removing the negative trust? Was the context that it would allow the person to deposit their own separate money, and gamble without you knowing it was the person making the bet?

Well geez, who could have seen it coming. Out of a list of either:

• Permanently inactive users
• Users with a provable, vested interest in successful, competing gambling sites
• Users with a hatred of Betcoin
• A user who didn't think to remove or amend his positive feedback when Quickseller was found to be abusing his escrow positions and lying about it

the last one was the one being a shady character.

In all seriousness, if this turns out to be true (which could go either way), it shouldn't be a surprise.

I have done some forensic analysis on the screen shot image, and it doesn't appear to be edited. Keep in mind it could have easily been generated in HTML and it wouldn't show up using this analysis method. This is something completely out of character for Blazr, and I am of the opinion that if this message was actually sent, that the Blazr account has been compromised. This is something that could easily be verified by Blazr's inability to sign an old address, but given that they have been inactive this probably isn't going to happen. I will be removing them from my trust list for now until this is resolved one way or the other.

You have done your work from your end and ball is on moderators court now. I hope mods gonna check it from their side soon and that's the best way to get clear idea what exactly happened. Without having confirmation from mods it will not be fair to reach on any decision. 

If this happen then we are going to introduce with another "feedback trade" in the same day. First one is here, scam extortion money

Thread archived.

Blazr was last online in January, and last posted in 2016.
I can think of 3 possibilities:
1. The screenshot can be fake.
2. Blazr's account might be compromised
3. Blazr might have given up on the forum, and YOLO "nothing to lose".

We reported the message to all admins and in our comments, we referred to this thread and that we would like them to verify that the message has not been altered.

Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-19_Sat_06.17h/51908.html
Have you reported to any specific moderator or sent to all admin moderator. Please ask some of them to identify if your statement is correct.

After careful deliberation, we have determined that what is best for the community is for us to share this information. Below, you can find the unredacted screenshot. If anyone is concerned that it is not legitimate, we have reported the message to the admins and they will be able to verify that the message is not altered. Please feel free to send us a PM or support ticket with any questions. Thank you.



EDIT: You can expand the image by viewing it here and clicking the magnifying glass
https://imgur.com/a/yTlFRtM

Screenshotting a PM doesn't prove anything. PMs can easily be manipulated. Send me a PM and I'll show you how easy it is.

I just read now the screenshot sent by Betcoin.AG. Not sure if screenshot is real, it should verify by moderators before take any action. I can see there someone asked for xx amount to send his personal wallet. Although he/she had mentioned about "gamble and document every section" but its pretty clear he had asked for bribe. The amount wasn't very small. Fortunately I can't read username since they hide it,

I don't know why Betcoin.AG don't want to reveal that user. You should reveal him otherwise it will increase your tag due to false blame.  

Why you keep sending this proof to Dt member ?  They will find a way to defend this dt scammer. You need to post it this  on thread.

The screenshots were sent to 2 trusted members with name redacted, as proof that this incident took place. To publish someone's PM publicly is a much different scenario. Thank you and we will be back to you as soon as possible.

It's strange that you would rescind action now, especially after you state you've already shown Coolcryptovator the screenshots.

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If it was a matter of decision-making, it should have been done prior to showing anyone the evidence.

We definitely have an appreciation of what is at stake here and certainly have no interest in taking away from our reputation. Naturally, the people who make these choices are not always the same people who post on BitcoinTalk, so we ask that you please give us a little time so that we can relay the information to the appropriate desicion-makers. Thank you.

You already made decision by making this unprovoked public claim today. You are now accusing 3 DT members without proof. If you back out you should probably get some fresh red trust for trying to make your casino look more trustworthy by smearing DT members.

They are asking for bribe to change the feedback.  They have destroyed your trust, your business is at stake and still you feel you need to save that person (if there is any).
Isn't strange or you are pulling out another drama here ?

If you don't, your accusation is useless and could look like an excuus to justify your own red trust.
If you do, this is a big thing and would probably lead to the user being kicked off DT. That means you have one less red trust on DefaultTrust.

Yes (to both questions).

I get that, but my point wasn't Coolcryptovator's credibility but the fact that it was sent in a PM in the first place instead of making it public.  If you're going to make an accusation like this, it shouldn't be circulated in PMs because that obviously causes even more problems and delays and frustration.

Not to worry, I wasn't attacking you in any way.  I explained my issue with this in my above post.

All of those members are still on DT?  Is Lutpin still on DT1/2?  I could swear he was removed a while ago, but I haven't been keeping up with who's on the list.

This significant amount rise some question though if it is truly came from the DT user however if the reason is as what you have put in the double quotation mark then the motive seems different than the way it was presented here.


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Okay this is next level LOL

You have all my attention now and I am sure others is having the same feeling.

To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet.


We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one.

@The Pharmacist there was no any special reason why Betcoin.AG sent me screenshots. I am the one who had asked him questions about "demand money". As a result he sent me screenshots. This thread wasn't created that time. But still I can't read it (not clear on mobile) so I have to sit on PC to read it. PM could verified very easily by reporting specific moderators. Provide fake screenshots against DT members will cause more red tag.

I will request to Betcoin.AG  post your evidence here, so all DT member will know him and might kick him if proof is solid.

I've seen reputations attacked for publishing a PM, so I get that.

I've seen the screenshot. A very short summary:
First, Betcoin.AG offers "some test chips" to try the new site.
Then, the other person asks for a significant amount of BTC to "gamble and document every section".

The username is cut from the screenshot, but I don't trust screenshots anyway.

I suggest to report the PM to an Admin (hilariousandco?), and ask him to confirm authenticity here.

He was the first who asked about it in the other thread.

I also think this should be public as it's a serious accusation. Hopefully it's a mis understanding, maybe spoofed email or not DT member.

I have the same question too.

It needs to be in public, there are no scope to hide it in PMs.

You need to make it clear. Right now basically you're accusing all three of them because it's not clear which one demanded money, if anyone actually did.

As would I.  I'm not going to say I don't believe it, but when an accusation like that is made there really needs to be some evidence presented--for everyone's sake, and especially the forum's.  You really don't want DT members pulling shit like that.

And you sent it to him because....?  Better to just lay it all out here in this thread so we can have a discussion about it.

Cool.  The accused member ought to have a place to defend himself, too, which is another reason the accusation should be made right out in the sunshine where everyone can make their own conclusions.

Please see your DMs

Betcoin.AG has sent me a screenshot who asked money. Unfortunately I am on the way and can't read the screenshot since I am on mobile. I will take a look deeply on it if there is really someone asked for money. I am also curious about it and made arguments on gambling section. I will post it if I found something.

I'd like to see this proof.

Update: Please make it something better than a screenshot!

Well you need to post the proof in public. I do not think it's necessary to keep it hidden from the community.

Hello, to clarify, unreachable refers to the fact that they would not speak to us about removing the negative trust, not that they aren't active. There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

There are 5 DT negative ratings on Betcoin.AG:

Zepher - inactive
Blazr - inactive
dooglus - active
Lutpin - active
TwitchySeal - active

Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe.