Topic: Betcoin.AG fraud (Read 824 times)
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Really it seems like OP has a gambling problem among other problems. He should probably consider taking a break from gambling for a while. He sounds like a nightmare customer.
OP is stupid and I this thread has nudged me more than what was necessary; I've removed my previous negative trust.
Kerry,
The fact that you are posting under a different account than you started the thread with says a lot about you.
The fact that your 3 known accounts (javybaez2020, kerrywoodwins20 and sportsbookmonitor) accuse at least 4 different, reputable sites of being dishonest says a lot about you.
The fact that you are the only player having this issue on our site and you accused another reputable site of this same issue says a lot about you.
The fact that you posted a public apology to us a week ago while privately begging for your account back through 12 emails and 3 tickets says a lot about you.
The fact that after we refused, you said you would continue to post negative things about us on the forums until we did, says a lot about you.
In fact, we know that if we gave you your account back, you would delete all your negative posts. We know this because it has happened. Twice. The last 2 times we gave you your account back. We have evidence to back this up and will post it if you deny it.
If anyone is just coming into the thread, please review it in its entirety, because we stopped responding to this accusation once we had addressed each of his issues but each issue was clearly addressed. We are always here to answer any questions or concerns any other players have. Thank you.
The fact that you are posting under a different account than you started the thread with says a lot about you.
The fact that your 3 known accounts (javybaez2020, kerrywoodwins20 and sportsbookmonitor) accuse at least 4 different, reputable sites of being dishonest says a lot about you.
The fact that you are the only player having this issue on our site and you accused another reputable site of this same issue says a lot about you.
The fact that you posted a public apology to us a week ago while privately begging for your account back through 12 emails and 3 tickets says a lot about you.
The fact that after we refused, you said you would continue to post negative things about us on the forums until we did, says a lot about you.
In fact, we know that if we gave you your account back, you would delete all your negative posts. We know this because it has happened. Twice. The last 2 times we gave you your account back. We have evidence to back this up and will post it if you deny it.
If anyone is just coming into the thread, please review it in its entirety, because we stopped responding to this accusation once we had addressed each of his issues but each issue was clearly addressed. We are always here to answer any questions or concerns any other players have. Thank you.
The issue here is that yes there was a problem with betcoin.ag once upon a time and nobody disputes that but this person complaints about something once happened and not currently happening as of right now.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
Betcoin showed the chat history with the player who is complaining , they clearly kept offering him chips and bonuses and he was satisfied but the moment they decided to not offer him any more chips he started complaining here about something that happened long time ago
the fact that he continued playing with Betcoin clearly shows that he was satisfied with them cause it makes no sense to play with a scam site
there are plenty of alternatives but he simply decided to continue playing with Betcoin , does that make sense ?
They already admitted they scammed players for 2 years and have offered no compensation.
You're just a shill bitch.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Yes I agree you should start a scam accusation on this section.Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
And you should also post the evidence of your accusation.
The issue here is that yes there was a problem with betcoin.ag once upon a time and nobody disputes that but this person complaints about something once happened and not currently happening as of right now.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
Betcoin showed the chat history with the player who is complaining , they clearly kept offering him chips and bonuses and he was satisfied but the moment they decided to not offer him any more chips he started complaining here about something that happened long time ago
the fact that he continued playing with Betcoin clearly shows that he was satisfied with them cause it makes no sense to play with a scam site
there are plenty of alternatives but he simply decided to continue playing with Betcoin , does that make sense ?
The issue here is that yes there was a problem with betcoin.ag once upon a time and nobody disputes that but this person complaints about something once happened and not currently happening as of right now.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
So, the question becomes how long will we put the casinos in negative until all that is past and now they are true, now if it happened 10 minutes ago we would still assume that is bad, but we had problems dating as far as 3 years ago, would you still condemn a place for what they did 3 years ago and manage to even re-tribute that positively and improved themselves ? Has there been an issue in the past week for example ?
If a place is bad than yeah we would all put negative trust on them but if a place had an issue back in the day but improved themselves and now better we can't keep a grudge for this long.
I hope that you will be able to punish scammers.
It’s good that now my black list of sites has been added to another entry.
What do you think should be done to prevent scammers from being proactive?
It’s good that now my black list of sites has been added to another entry.
What do you think should be done to prevent scammers from being proactive?
Ive been seing before accusation on betcoin ag website regarding a win that wasnt credited to the owner before but i think it was already been resolved. If ever a gambling site commits a fraudulent activity that is the risk we have to take since this is a crypto world.
You paid by Betcoin?
no I'm not , I just bet on all the available btc sportsbooks and hate to see false accusations without proof
the only site that is paying me is the site in my signature , but looking at your post history you were saying nice things about Betcoin so it seems you are the one who was getting paid
Did they make things right for the slot player they scammed? What about the poker fraud players that got scammed?
this was discussed millions of times , you want to discuss it again ? I don't think this is the reason why this thread was opened
And now sportsbook players go unpaid and scammed.
again where is the proof ? all I'm seeing is you complaining and yet you continued betting with them even you do think they are scam , don't you find this interesting ? claiming that users lost tons of money with the sportsbook glitch while not seeing anyone actually reporting it here in the forums isn't accurate
If they wanted to make things right, they'd give every player they've ever had an average bet credit for the entire time that the fraud line acceptance was going.
Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.
Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.
people are dumb now ? you think people won't report that here in the forums when they don't get paid what they are owed ? I don't think so
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.
If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.
For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.
Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...
Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.
They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter?
this was fixed long time ago and you are the only one who is bringing it back over again
the chat history that Betcoin revealed about that player clearly showing that he was taking advantage of the situation and the site was keep offering him bonuses
deciding to bring an old problem back after the site refused to give the player more bonuses is clearly fishy
when you bet with a site you are trusting them with your money , and sometimes mistakes happen
you should instantly report the problem so the site can fix the problem for you , but you are just coming back months after they said they fixed the problem
clearly there is something fishy with your story
personally I check the payouts and the odds for every single bet I make ( and I average around 15 bets a day ) why ?? because I had problems with sites here in the forum with green trust but they always fixed it for me after I reported it
mistakes and bugs happen , there are several times where the site credited me full win when my stake should be half win and there are times where the opposite happened
can't just accuse sites of scamming after several months when you don't report a problem instantly , especially that you decided to continue betting with them despite having problems as you are claiming
You paid by Betcoin? Did they make things right for the slot player they scammed? What about the poker fraud players that got scammed? And now sportsbook players go unpaid and scammed.
They have scammed almost every customer they've ever had but you keep slurping that dick buddy.
If they wanted to make things right, they'd give every player they've ever had an average bet credit for the entire time that the fraud line acceptance was going.
Why won't they do that? Because people like you are dumb enough to not demand it and think it's okay they put the money in their pockets.
That's a self moderated thread, and they have the right to delete if they find it inappropriate. Simply for some reason it is not fair to describe one of the old gambling website as scam. Issues arise with each and every gambling websites, we need to contact the support team and get it rectified. If the same isn't possible go for scam accusation. I've been using it for a long, and hasn't experienced anything negative with betcoin.ag
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.
If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.
For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.
Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...
Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.
They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter?
this was fixed long time ago and you are the only one who is bringing it back over again
the chat history that Betcoin revealed about that player clearly showing that he was taking advantage of the situation and the site was keep offering him bonuses
deciding to bring an old problem back after the site refused to give the player more bonuses is clearly fishy
when you bet with a site you are trusting them with your money , and sometimes mistakes happen
you should instantly report the problem so the site can fix the problem for you , but you are just coming back months after they said they fixed the problem
clearly there is something fishy with your story
personally I check the payouts and the odds for every single bet I make ( and I average around 15 bets a day ) why ?? because I had problems with sites here in the forum with green trust but they always fixed it for me after I reported it
mistakes and bugs happen , there are several times where the site credited me full win when my stake should be half win and there are times where the opposite happened
can't just accuse sites of scamming after several months when you don't report a problem instantly , especially that you decided to continue betting with them despite having problems as you are claiming
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
It was the way their software worked for 2 years. This is undisputed.
If you think they compensated every player for every bet that moved (most of them move in the 10 seconds it takes to accept) then you must be an idiot.
For what it's worth, not that you have much credibility so I'm probably wasting my time, but the reason most players didn't see that it happened is that their software approves the line and you have to refresh the page to see your bet, and often can't see it for a few hours, and it also doesn't tell you it paid you a bad price until you check the next page.
Example: I bet -200 on team A... it thinks, thinks, thinks... and you get the green check mark and you think you got your bet... refresh, it might not be there, but if it's there, it'll say -400...
Now yes, you're going to notice if it's -400 and complain. The problem is, most of their lines move 10/20 cents b/c they have such small action that they overreact to every wager anyone tries to make... so they're moving the line against you every bet and you can't tell b/c all you see is expected payout... so what's the expected payout on 73 chips at -110 vs -115... sure, if you do the math you'll know, most players don't know the math and wont' recognize they're getting scammed.
They admitted all of this and haven't paid anyone back. They're a proven fraud and so are you for defending them. It may not be a big deal to steal 5 chips from a player here and there for you. But that's added up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years. Why would that not matter?
this user never gets tired of creating new accounts , same accusation over and over again without even posting a single proof
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
the live line movements is a complete joke , why would someone continue betting on a site when he knows the site is scamming him with line ?
I'm pretty much sure Betcoin paid him for all of these line changes , this is the only thing that makes sense cause I wouldn't continue betting with a site that changes the lines on me unless they pay me back what they owe me
The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
If new management was "good" then they'd compensate every single sports betting player they've had over the last 2 years with a certain amount per bet to compensate the fact they literally stole from players by forcing them to accept negative line movements without rejection rights (while positive line movements were ignored).
They've admitted they did this and think they should get to run off with the hundreds of thousands of dollars that "glitch" put in their pocket.
Don't play there until they refund the players they scammed.
But what you said is so negative and I think I am not going to be interested anymore to dig deeper to know.
I am currently enjoy playing in different sportsbook, though my sportsbook has some history of scam accusation in the thread but at least they are treating me right.
The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
If new management was "good" then they'd compensate every single sports betting player they've had over the last 2 years with a certain amount per bet to compensate the fact they literally stole from players by forcing them to accept negative line movements without rejection rights (while positive line movements were ignored).
They've admitted they did this and think they should get to run off with the hundreds of thousands of dollars that "glitch" put in their pocket.
Don't play there until they refund the players they scammed.
The thread is self moderated so they can do that, and I don't trust thread like that if it's an official thread of an certain gambling sites.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
I believe they are on a new management, maybe it's nice if they will have a new ANN thread and it should not be self moderated.
I'm not using this site anymore so it does not affect me that much, but hopefully as I can read better feed back, I might consider playing again.
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Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.
You should make this public and not only share the info by PM.
If you are saying they are scammers would be nice to see some proof from your side... And i'm not defending them, i like to see solid proof from this accusation. I know their slots machines aren't probably fair, but that's all, idk if they are rigged in their poker tables or in their sports book.
I have known betcoin.AG for the more than two years through this forum and I still remember that they run the most successful signature campaign here for a very long period. I never heard anyone having issues in their campaign.
Although I did not play at Betcoin.AG but I will also like to see the exact details of any fraud which they did, else I would assume its just a false accusation.
They have admitted publicly they allowed a "glitch" (this was intentional, but they called it a glitch) that forced bad line movements against a player without the right to reject the bad line movement on the player's end.
They admitted this went on for 2 years (although it currently still happens as of a few days ago)
This "glitch" was a windfall for Betcoin.AG of no less than hundreds of thousands of dollars over 2 years.
No compensation has been issued to sports bettors at their website.
That's admitted fraud. It's not rocket science. They scammed and cheated customers and have issued ZERO compensation.
Example 1: Bettor likes team A -200... he puts a wager on it and hits submit. Line moves to team A -500 while Betcoin.AG is waiting to process the wager... Betcoin.AG processes the wager at -500 despite the player having NO SAY in whether he wants the bet at that line.
If you play anywhere else, you'll know real books don't do that. It is criminal, it is fraud, it is theft, and they have openly admitted they did it for 2 years.
No compensation has been paid to those players cheated and swindled. This is the most open and shut case of sportsbook scamming I can think of in fact.
Thanks for a prompt response and clearing the air and letting us know that the thread was not lock as the ops claimed, since there is a new management team you guys should focus on operating transparently and be focus to clear the mess. Because in the community reputation is the first thing to protect.
Thanks, we completely agree and are happy to answer any questions or concerns either here in the forums or privately. The site has grown so much since the new group took over late in 2017 and we are so proud of the improvements that have been made. We have such a great base of members, which fortunately keeps getting bigger. Our team has also grown considerably, which allows us to provide the highest level of support to players. Overall, the player satisfaction rate has been extremely high, and we vow to continue working our butts off to keep improving and providing a great product.
I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.
Hello, we admittedly have deleted what could be hundreds of posts by this one player, who has at least 3 BitcoinTalk accounts (kerrywoodwins20, javybaez2020 and sportsbookmonitor). This is because we addressed this one situation and moved on and he continues to spam the same post over and over again. As you can see on our thread, there are several accusations including this one, which we addressed and we have have no issue defending ourselves and moving on in these situations, as we believe in full transparency and are operating completely fairly. We have not deleted any posts other than spam. Also, the thread is open, however it was locked briefly because this user continued to post over and over and we didn't have the resources to dedicate someone to deleting spam continuously.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-1-casino-sportsbook-btc-bch-bsv-eth-etc-ltc-xmr-dash-xrp-est-2013-1616139
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Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.
You should make this public and not only share the info by PM.
If you are saying they are scammers would be nice to see some proof from your side... And i'm not defending them, i like to see solid proof from this accusation. I know their slots machines aren't probably fair, but that's all, idk if they are rigged in their poker tables or in their sports book.
I have known betcoin.AG for the more than two years through this forum and I still remember that they run the most successful signature campaign here for a very long period. I never heard anyone having issues in their campaign.
Although I did not play at Betcoin.AG but I will also like to see the exact details of any fraud which they did, else I would assume its just a false accusation.
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Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.
You should make this public and not only share the info by PM.
If you are saying they are scammers would be nice to see some proof from your side... And i'm not defending them, i like to see solid proof from this accusation. I know their slots machines aren't probably fair, but that's all, idk if they are rigged in their poker tables or in their sports book.
I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.
That is what i pointed out earlier. If they have a new management, they probably are very unlucky as they have to change their impressions from the sort of shady site (i will not call it a scam site) to a trusted site. People will not easily forgot the wrong doings of the previous team.
I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.
Hello, we admittedly have deleted what could be hundreds of posts by this one player, who has at least 3 BitcoinTalk accounts (kerrywoodwins20, javybaez2020 and sportsbookmonitor). This is because we addressed this one situation and moved on and he continues to spam the same post over and over again. As you can see on our thread, there are several accusations including this one, which we addressed and we have have no issue defending ourselves and moving on in these situations, as we believe in full transparency and are operating completely fairly. We have not deleted any posts other than spam. Also, the thread is open, however it was locked briefly because this user continued to post over and over and we didn't have the resources to dedicate someone to deleting spam continuously.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-1-casino-sportsbook-btc-bch-bsv-eth-etc-ltc-xmr-dash-xrp-est-2013-1616139
I believe if you have any strong evidence against bitcoin. AG you should go straight and open a scam accusations against them and from the response of they representative here he try to clear the air on they past fraud issues and how it was resolved but he failed to touch the part where you said they are deleting comments on they official thread and there after locking the thread. But I guest time shall tell since they claim that the project is now under a new management.
The way Betcoin.AG is replying to every accusation against them is really good and it seems that they may not be at false in some cases. Its easy to point out anyone and give false scam accusations against anyone, but if the other side is responding to all queries and trying to defend themselves, then it shows that they are determined to solve any real issues, if there are any.
Just provide us more accurate accusation to provebthat Betcoin is really a fraud site just take down at least 5 people who got scam by the team of Betcoin or like qhat other said create another thread on scam accusation then member and DT will decide ro this case.
One look at his post history will show that he has had the same accusations of every US facing site. It is no wonder he privately continues to beg us for his account back.
Here he is complaining about the exact same thing at sportsbook.io
DO NOT BET AT THIS WEBSITE ON LIVE BETTING!!!!
IT IS CRIMINAL! IT WILL HOLD YOUR WAGER IN A QUEUE FOR MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TIME AND REJECT IT IF YOUR BET LOOKS GOOD AND ACCEPT IT IF LOOKS BAD
DO NOT BET AT THIS WEBSITE ON LIVE BETTING!!!
IT IS CRIMINAL AND FRAUDULENT AND DESERVES A SCAM RATING
IT IS CRIMINAL! IT WILL HOLD YOUR WAGER IN A QUEUE FOR MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TIME AND REJECT IT IF YOUR BET LOOKS GOOD AND ACCEPT IT IF LOOKS BAD
DO NOT BET AT THIS WEBSITE ON LIVE BETTING!!!
IT IS CRIMINAL AND FRAUDULENT AND DESERVES A SCAM RATING
This is a bold faced lie and also ignores the main issue.
Your scoreboard and live betting platform said the top of the first inning was over and it was headed to the bottom of the first inning with a score of 0-0. That is when I placed a bet of under 4.5.
They then score 3 runs in the top of the first inning!!!!
YOUR SCOREBOARD FUCKING LIED!!!
OH MY GOD THIS SCAMMING GOD DAMNED COMPANY. YOU CAN NOT GIVE SCORE UPDATES THAT ARE INCORRECT TO INDUCE A WAGER
And here is his most recent escapade with Nitrogen, from only 2 days ago
Everyone be very careful with this sportsbook. Their reaction to holding a player's funds hostage for 12 hours because of down time was to lock them out of their account, freeze their funds, and make them wait even longer due to a supposed CHAT VIOLATION?
What a complete fucking joke.
Yep. I don't really care if they chat ban me. That's their right. But they froze my funds and locked my account because I did something they didn't like in chat (which was ask why a game that ended 12 hours ago wasn't graded).
That's criminal. It's indefensible.
So is every site a criminal and a scammer, or does it all come down to this one player who berates staff and has a massive history of making unreasonable claims? We have provided ample evidence, with more to come if these claims continue. He has provided none, other than his all too common complaining with nothing to back it up.
Just provide us more accurate accusation to provebthat Betcoin is really a fraud site just take down at least 5 people who got scam by the team of Betcoin or like qhat other said create another thread on scam accusation then member and DT will decide ro this case.
Hello, the negative trust is all from 2016 and as you stated, it is based on the jasonort jackpot situation which occurred 3 years ago. What happened here, was that a player had a losing spin on a bonus, and because Betsoft had a misprint in their terms, it appeared to be a jackpot spin. This was quickly resolved amicably with the player, and he continued to play at our site. Proof of this resolution can be found here:
https://thepogg.com/complaint/betcoin-ag-progressive-jackpot-was-not-paid-for-winning-spin/
And here (please review his comment):
https://www.betcoin.ag/jasonort-case-resolution
Despite the situation being resolved, our competitors spread this rumor about the site to attempt to ruin our reputation.
Since that situation 3 years ago, we had a player who won the equivalent of nearly $400,000 USD at the time, on a sign-up bonus and he was paid within a day. That is more than the amount of the jackpot that was supposedly denied to this other player. Here is a link to this story:
https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/betcoin-player-wins-55-btc-welcome-bonus/
When the new group took over Betcoin in 2017, the jasonort situation was analysed carefully, and we decided that this product has too much potential to not get involved. Our negative feedback on BitcoinTalk is solely based on that on that one incident. When the situation occurred we were -512 rating and now we are -31. Every person that we have reached out to and gotten a hold of has reversed their negative feedback, one of who even changed it to positive. We have worked very hard on improving our reputation as well as the product. Our withdrawals and support tickets are both averaging around 15 minutes and we are hoping to improve on even that.
If you have any questions/concerns, please contact us via PM or support ticket through Betcoin.ag. Thank you and good luck all!
https://thepogg.com/complaint/betcoin-ag-progressive-jackpot-was-not-paid-for-winning-spin/
And here (please review his comment):
https://www.betcoin.ag/jasonort-case-resolution
Despite the situation being resolved, our competitors spread this rumor about the site to attempt to ruin our reputation.
Since that situation 3 years ago, we had a player who won the equivalent of nearly $400,000 USD at the time, on a sign-up bonus and he was paid within a day. That is more than the amount of the jackpot that was supposedly denied to this other player. Here is a link to this story:
https://bitcoinchaser.com/casino/betcoin-player-wins-55-btc-welcome-bonus/
When the new group took over Betcoin in 2017, the jasonort situation was analysed carefully, and we decided that this product has too much potential to not get involved. Our negative feedback on BitcoinTalk is solely based on that on that one incident. When the situation occurred we were -512 rating and now we are -31. Every person that we have reached out to and gotten a hold of has reversed their negative feedback, one of who even changed it to positive. We have worked very hard on improving our reputation as well as the product. Our withdrawals and support tickets are both averaging around 15 minutes and we are hoping to improve on even that.
If you have any questions/concerns, please contact us via PM or support ticket through Betcoin.ag. Thank you and good luck all!
Op, the shady past of Betcoin.ag is widely known. The most popular story is related to not paying our a jackpot to the winner. The casino has new management, but since the former bad things weren't fixed, you can see them having negative trust on this forum. Look through the negative trust to see the reasons mentioned there. Then, if you got new stories to add, feel free to open a scam accusation in the relevant section. This will remind people to be cautious (especially if you have something on the new management) as well as might add some more negative trust.
As for the request to have them banned, it is not likely to be satisfied. Take a look at the relevant question and answer here to see why: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657.
As for the request to have them banned, it is not likely to be satisfied. Take a look at the relevant question and answer here to see why: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657.
Hi, if this is accurate why have you sent us 20+ messages begging for your account back and why did you post this a couple days ago?
In case you decide to pretend this isn't you again, here is our proof.
That makes 3 known BitcoinTalk accounts you are using in this attempt to defame the site.
We aren't going to keep responding to this, because we are busy taking care of our legitimate players who do not accuse us of wrongdoing while creating new accounts to circumvent a ban. We see you are already having trouble at your new book. Best of luck to you.
In case you decide to pretend this isn't you again, here is our proof.
That makes 3 known BitcoinTalk accounts you are using in this attempt to defame the site.
We aren't going to keep responding to this, because we are busy taking care of our legitimate players who do not accuse us of wrongdoing while creating new accounts to circumvent a ban. We see you are already having trouble at your new book. Best of luck to you.
For what it's worth, Betcoin.AG has publicly admitted their fraud and also not compensated anyone for it.
Their sports bets used to have a negative line movement that got automatically approved on all wagers made.
I'll give an example so everyone knows what is happening here.
Customer places a bet on the New England Patriots -110 to win the game. He clicks accept. The bet takes 10-15 seconds to process, during that 10-15 seconds, the line would move to -160 and automatically accept. The customer had NO rejection rights on that line shift massively against him.
This happened to me on wagers for as much as -400 on the moneylines of games.
Interestingly enough, if the line moved positively in the bettor's favor, that did not automatically accept. You got the worse line.
This was called a "glitch" publicly by Betcoin.AG, but in actuality, it was designed to do this and they knew that. Process the bad line movements. Reject the good line movements and revert back to the old accepted line.
They stole tens, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars from sports customers this way.
They've admitted this "glitch" and yet compensated no one.
They are an admitted scam book.
Their sports bets used to have a negative line movement that got automatically approved on all wagers made.
I'll give an example so everyone knows what is happening here.
Customer places a bet on the New England Patriots -110 to win the game. He clicks accept. The bet takes 10-15 seconds to process, during that 10-15 seconds, the line would move to -160 and automatically accept. The customer had NO rejection rights on that line shift massively against him.
This happened to me on wagers for as much as -400 on the moneylines of games.
Interestingly enough, if the line moved positively in the bettor's favor, that did not automatically accept. You got the worse line.
This was called a "glitch" publicly by Betcoin.AG, but in actuality, it was designed to do this and they knew that. Process the bad line movements. Reject the good line movements and revert back to the old accepted line.
They stole tens, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars from sports customers this way.
They've admitted this "glitch" and yet compensated no one.
They are an admitted scam book.
Hi sportsbookmonitor,
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account.
We banned your account, kerrywoodwins20, due to the numerous death threats issued against our staff on April 28, 2018.
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account.
We banned your account, kerrywoodwins20, due to the numerous death threats issued against our staff on April 28, 2018.
LOL. That must've been hilarious. Can you share what were written in the said death threats? And he prolly lost a sh* ton on the tables if he resorted to death threats.
I've seen degens go ape sh*t on a bad run at black jack. I mean I can feel their pain but it's sooo hilarious at the same time.
Op I suggest you stop creating accusation threads if you don't have proof that they scam people. Well, if you did have proof then start a scam accusation of the said site to let the staff in bitcointalk do the rest with the site's bitcointalk account and resolve any problems that the two party have been facing.
We must provide evidence to prevent other people from falling into fraud,Then open the Beware Scam.
Also, people who have confidence are red ,You can not trust them
Most of the operations it provides are scams.
Also, people who have confidence are red ,You can not trust them
Most of the operations it provides are scams.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
I don't think that scam accusations is needed. They have been flagged years ago as far as I know. They started to have a good reputation, unfortunately, there have been lots of scams against them in late 2016 or early 2017 if I'm not mistaken.
They need to resolve all these queries asap.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
How does one open a scam accusation?
Betcoin.AG has scammed hundreds of people. They should be banned here.
Really? Hundreds of people? If it is true, then it must be easy for you to prove with at least 10 valid scammed people.
There is no way to ban account in this forum just because scam accusation, as a ban is not for that thing imho.
Exactly, anyone should not be allowed to put a scam accusation on anyone without valid proofs. And / Or if the person claiming for scam accusation against anyone is proof to be wrong, He should be punished too.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
How does one open a scam accusation?
Betcoin.AG has scammed hundreds of people. They should be banned here.
Really? Hundreds of people? If it is true, then it must be easy for you to prove with at least 10 valid scammed people.
There is no way to ban account in this forum just because scam accusation, as a ban is not for that thing imho.
Hi sportsbookmonitor,
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account.
We banned your account, kerrywoodwins20, due to the numerous death threats issued against our staff on April 28, 2018.
You then created another account, javybaez2020, to circumvent the ban on May 2, 2018. When this account was discovered, it was banned for multi-accounting. Several times you asked us to have your account reopened and we said we would think about it.
On March 10, 2019 you begged for your account back, once again, and promised that you would stop defaming us on forums and that you would treat our support staff with respect. We allowed you to reopen your account under several conditions which were broken almost immediately. Between then and now you asked to have your account closed twice when we refused to give you additional bonuses and both times, you asked to have your account reopened within 2 days.
On April 18, you asked to have your account closed because you were compensated for a dispute (which we now know was a lie) and we accidentally added 30 extra chips which we immediately removed and you said if we couldnt give you the extra chips back you no longer wanted to play here.
You came straight to the forums and after we exposed several lies you told, you deleted your posts and begged us to come back, once again. You have been begging us this for the last 8 days, sending a total of 3 support tickets and 7 emails during this time, apologizing and requesting to have your account reopened.
So clearly, you want to play here. Unfortunately, despite your constant begging and apologies, we still cannot allow you to have an account due to your wasting staff time with hundreds of support tickets, mood swings and death threats.
We will not hesitate to post proof of your lies, if you continue this smear campaign.
Either way, we recommend playing at the book that you trust the most, just like our tens of thousands of weekly users, who are very happy with the site. We look forward to your next request to have your account reopened.
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account.
We banned your account, kerrywoodwins20, due to the numerous death threats issued against our staff on April 28, 2018.
You then created another account, javybaez2020, to circumvent the ban on May 2, 2018. When this account was discovered, it was banned for multi-accounting. Several times you asked us to have your account reopened and we said we would think about it.
On March 10, 2019 you begged for your account back, once again, and promised that you would stop defaming us on forums and that you would treat our support staff with respect. We allowed you to reopen your account under several conditions which were broken almost immediately. Between then and now you asked to have your account closed twice when we refused to give you additional bonuses and both times, you asked to have your account reopened within 2 days.
On April 18, you asked to have your account closed because you were compensated for a dispute (which we now know was a lie) and we accidentally added 30 extra chips which we immediately removed and you said if we couldnt give you the extra chips back you no longer wanted to play here.
You came straight to the forums and after we exposed several lies you told, you deleted your posts and begged us to come back, once again. You have been begging us this for the last 8 days, sending a total of 3 support tickets and 7 emails during this time, apologizing and requesting to have your account reopened.
So clearly, you want to play here. Unfortunately, despite your constant begging and apologies, we still cannot allow you to have an account due to your wasting staff time with hundreds of support tickets, mood swings and death threats.
We will not hesitate to post proof of your lies, if you continue this smear campaign.
Either way, we recommend playing at the book that you trust the most, just like our tens of thousands of weekly users, who are very happy with the site. We look forward to your next request to have your account reopened.
If Betcoin.AG is right here than the OP should stop creating multiple accounts and try to portrait the wrong image of the gambling site.
As far as i know, betcoin.ag has few incidents in the past too where people try to claim them as scam, but they proof them wrong too.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
I don't think that scam accusations is needed. They have been flagged years ago as far as I know. They started to have a good reputation, unfortunately, there have been lots of scams against them in late 2016 or early 2017 if I'm not mistaken.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
agree opening a topic is good and but I disagree with you that OPs should ask and get a Pm about the the scam, but (sorry but Iam saying is just what is right from my view and I am not on any side) OPs as you ask to PM you why not let them post it here in your thread so they the public can be informed and be alert.
Also there is a lesson that when entering on any kind of business that will let you give your money out from your pocket it is a big gamble so in my opinion be ready for anything and well it happen so just like you did you post to keep the public here well informed.
but.....
Hi sportsbookmonitor,
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account......
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account......
I don't know what is true and I did not join what you previously joined you might saying that I should be out of this issue. I just want to help and give out my opinion. So if this may be true find a way to get more information in other words proof. BUT IF You do feel that you are right fight it until you get what you want, try and try but if you lose and did not get what you want because you are wrong let us just move on. Also I don't mean that you should not give up today...
because seeing that This account contains red trust.
Also coming from the replies getting red trust is enough but foe the replies getting betcoin.AG banned that is the people that is the bitcointalk head.
Hi sportsbookmonitor,
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account.
We banned your account, kerrywoodwins20, due to the numerous death threats issued against our staff on April 28, 2018.
You then created another account, javybaez2020, to circumvent the ban on May 2, 2018. When this account was discovered, it was banned for multi-accounting. Several times you asked us to have your account reopened and we said we would think about it.
On March 10, 2019 you begged for your account back, once again, and promised that you would stop defaming us on forums and that you would treat our support staff with respect. We allowed you to reopen your account under several conditions which were broken almost immediately. Between then and now you asked to have your account closed twice when we refused to give you additional bonuses and both times, you asked to have your account reopened within 2 days.
On April 18, you asked to have your account closed because you were compensated for a dispute (which we now know was a lie) and we accidentally added 30 extra chips which we immediately removed and you said if we couldnt give you the extra chips back you no longer wanted to play here.
You came straight to the forums and after we exposed several lies you told, you deleted your posts and begged us to come back, once again. You have been begging us this for the last 8 days, sending a total of 3 support tickets and 7 emails during this time, apologizing and requesting to have your account reopened.
So clearly, you want to play here. Unfortunately, despite your constant begging and apologies, we still cannot allow you to have an account due to your wasting staff time with hundreds of support tickets, mood swings and death threats.
We will not hesitate to post proof of your lies, if you continue this smear campaign.
Either way, we recommend playing at the book that you trust the most, just like our tens of thousands of weekly users, who are very happy with the site. We look forward to your next request to have your account reopened.
We notice that your name changed to kerrywoodwins20 halfway through this thread. We see that you enjoy creating multiple accounts on BitcoinTalk, just as much as you did on Betcoin.ag a year ago when we blocked your first account.
We banned your account, kerrywoodwins20, due to the numerous death threats issued against our staff on April 28, 2018.
You then created another account, javybaez2020, to circumvent the ban on May 2, 2018. When this account was discovered, it was banned for multi-accounting. Several times you asked us to have your account reopened and we said we would think about it.
On March 10, 2019 you begged for your account back, once again, and promised that you would stop defaming us on forums and that you would treat our support staff with respect. We allowed you to reopen your account under several conditions which were broken almost immediately. Between then and now you asked to have your account closed twice when we refused to give you additional bonuses and both times, you asked to have your account reopened within 2 days.
On April 18, you asked to have your account closed because you were compensated for a dispute (which we now know was a lie) and we accidentally added 30 extra chips which we immediately removed and you said if we couldnt give you the extra chips back you no longer wanted to play here.
You came straight to the forums and after we exposed several lies you told, you deleted your posts and begged us to come back, once again. You have been begging us this for the last 8 days, sending a total of 3 support tickets and 7 emails during this time, apologizing and requesting to have your account reopened.
So clearly, you want to play here. Unfortunately, despite your constant begging and apologies, we still cannot allow you to have an account due to your wasting staff time with hundreds of support tickets, mood swings and death threats.
We will not hesitate to post proof of your lies, if you continue this smear campaign.
Either way, we recommend playing at the book that you trust the most, just like our tens of thousands of weekly users, who are very happy with the site. We look forward to your next request to have your account reopened.
Try to make thread about scam accusation to discuss their reputation because this is under new management I dont know if this issue resolve.
But the best you can do is to create thread in Scam accusation then the DT will try to resolve this issue.
But the best you can do is to create thread in Scam accusation then the DT will try to resolve this issue.
Betcoin.ag is under on a new management and they are trying to resolve those past issues.I have seen some thread talking about it.They might have that fraud issue but just give them sometime to resolve it.
You can post up on scam accusations board if you do really wish to make some arguments.Its already given above and its good to lock up this thread.
You can post up on scam accusations board if you do really wish to make some arguments.Its already given above and its good to lock up this thread.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
How does one open a scam accusation?
Betcoin.AG has scammed hundreds of people. They should be banned here.
You can check out this thread and start a Scam Accusation.
Here is their manager's Account: Betcoin.Ag , he is currently online now. Would be best to call his attention regarding your concern.
Here is their Main thread.
Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
How does one open a scam accusation?
Betcoin.AG has scammed hundreds of people. They should be banned here.
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Instead of PMing you, I believe opening an scam accusation will work better. The community can decide what to do with them (if they have a profile in BitcoinTalk)
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Keep things public if there are no sensitive information.
Betcoin.AG has deleted no less than 1000 posts from their thread from no less than 100 members. It seems they have now locked their own thread so that no one can mention their scam in their thread.
Let that sink in.
They have scammed, robbed, and defrauded tens of thousands of customers in their brief history.
The only question is when they get tired of slowly scamming and robbing their customers and disappear into the shadows, robbing everyone of every single penny they have put on the site.
Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.
Stick to Nitrogensports.eu and bookmaker.eu if you want to gamble with bitcoin in the US online.
Let that sink in.
They have scammed, robbed, and defrauded tens of thousands of customers in their brief history.
The only question is when they get tired of slowly scamming and robbing their customers and disappear into the shadows, robbing everyone of every single penny they have put on the site.
Please PM me for a full accounting of their fraud and deception and theft.
Stick to Nitrogensports.eu and bookmaker.eu if you want to gamble with bitcoin in the US online.
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