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Topic: Betcoin.ag Retaliates (Collection of scam accusations against me) (Read 1269 times)

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I've got quite the backlog of scam accusations made against me.

First one of my personal favorite "TwitchySeal is a cheater" claims by cjmoles...

The thread is now locked, so I can't direct quote, but it starts with this post(archive)

Quote from: cjmoles
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I've been quiet until now so that you might speak your mind but I was one of the players that was affected by your multi-accounting.  Here is a screenshot; how many of these players are you?  I am cjmToo on this list here....which ones are you?  I know OHYEAH is one of your accounts but how many others are on there.




This image was taken over a year ago.  Well, before betcoin.ag started it's signature campaign, so am I supporting betcoin.ag for the signature stipend?  No, I've been a player there for a long time.

Quote from: TwitchySeal
Zero

You weren't OHYEAH?

Quote from: TwitchySeal
OHYEAH was me.  Zero other accounts "were me".

Are you really trying to say that you've only had one account on betcoin.ag?  And that your ip wasn't blocked due to multiple accounts? 

I don't have the time to dig up all the evidence....Just suffice it to say, you seriously lack credibility.

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More lies about me made directly by Betcoin.ag

To be clear, these are either fake logs and/or made with a fake "me"  I never said anything quoted below.  I have never Ddosed any site or even hinted in the slightest that I was capable (I'm not).

In response to a number of you who have asked about negative trust and still being a member of the Betcoin campaign, we have clearly learned that trust ratings are completely irrelevant here and you will not be removed from being a member of the Betcoin.  To that end we will be opening this campaign up to members that have received negative trust for dubious reasons ie: negative trust given by untrustworthy members of the community.  

Also, for those of you that actually think TwitchySeal is trustworthy or noble enjoy the following article:

Highlights stated by TwitchySeal:  

When talking about Betcoin "you might have to mix lies with the truth" in order to discredit Betcoin

TwitchySeal: Let’s try to spam the player chat from our different accounts today

TwitchySeal: Just tell players it’s a scam. Try to get 1 on 1 contact and bring them into individual chats on Skype. We’ll tell them about SWCPoker (We don't believe SWC is involved)

Twitchyseal intentionally DDoSes Betcoin:
TwitchySeal: Savage what’s the update on RouterSlap? (DDoS service)
Savage Coin 6: It's working but we're gonna need a new alternative soon
TwitchySeal: Okay make sure you pay the RouterSlap people

Fortunately most of you are so much smarter than this which has enable us to continue to grow and provide a great service.  Stage 9 coming soon!

https://www.betcoin.ag/twitchyseal-back-it-again-offering-me-help-trash-betcoin-proof-below

Ajunftd is the user who posted these fake logs.  It's not the first time he lied about me, here he is discussing the first time:
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Another attack on my character based on 100% lies:

CJmoles can not defend himself with the truth, so he makes shit up.


Too bad for CJmoles, it's not against the forum rules to have several accounts. Also, TwitchySeal was caught in what again?

I've been banned from Betcoin for criticizing them on their own forums. This is no secret.


Other than my history on Betcoin alone, there is absolutely nothing true about anything CJMoles has claimed, hence the lack of evidence.  He's just having a tantrum like a child.

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Another attack on my character based on 100% lies:

CJmoles can not defend himself with the truth, so he makes shit up.


Too bad for CJmoles, it's not against the forum rules to have several accounts. Also, TwitchySeal was caught in what again?
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hahaha. so many accusations on betcoin. i thougth they were trusted but i recently saw the acct of betcoin.ag that have a red trust and many bashers. i hope they will clear there name and fix all issue that they encounter. i suggest that both party have a private message and have a peaceful talk. these issue will never stop in this way,
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Was informed just before CJMoles spewed his lies in the form of negative feed back he was called to private chat with Betcoin managment.  (Just before this guy started attacking my rep with total lies, he was also called to private support chat.  Could be coincidence, but it's worth pointing out.)

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Another attack on my character based on 100% lies:

CJmoles can not defend himself with the truth, so he makes shit up.

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If you have Asperger's, you shouldn't be in the position you're in, cause your hit or miss tactics of calling out people and businesses could really hurt someone.  Your obnoxiousness and mental instability pretty much outweighs your "scam alerts."  

There's more players who've spoken out about you, and people have said stuff to me in private about you which I won't post, but the reason you started to upset me was not because of your issues with Betcoin and Betsoft.  I personally believe Betsoft was incredibly unethical in the way they handled the Jasonort situation.  But you continue to attack my rakeback program by spamming the Betsoft issue and bringing up old poker room issues (that you had gotten wrong anyway).

Your "rakeback program" is driven by losses in the casino and sportsbook by people who you sign up from your affiliate.  Quit with the bullshit. You're an affiliate with deal that allows you to get majority of betcoins poker players.  Even the ones that other affiliates deserve.

Thats the only reason you spam the same "Betcoin is #1" bull shit everyday.  

There's nothing in this for me other than the satisfaction of stopping scumbags and hopefully a better future for bitcoin + online poker.  

Good insults though, keep em comin. That's the point of this thread.
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Betcoin is a scummy site.

Xiao works for Betcoin.  He has over 400 signups under his "rakeback program"

Xiao thinks he should be considered a "separate service" or "players advocate"  And while the site keeps fucking player after player Xiao will keep spamming the same "come play at Betcoin it's awesome" posts in each of his three threads in hopes of getting more sign ups.  

He's not a players advocate, or a "separate service for poker players"  

He's a Betcoin affiliate that gets a fat cut of nearly every serious Betcoin poker players losses in the casino or sportsbook.

As long as he continues to spam the same 3 threads in attempt to drive traffic to Betcoin, I will continue to respond to them with facts so that potential players have the information they need to make an informed decision.

The fact that he posted on Betcoins forum (where he is "protected" from anyone disagreeing with him)about my behavior on this forum and to request for people to attack me on this forum but should paint the picture. 



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And also another example of you attacking my players.
I don't play poker, nor am I involved with post on your thread at all. If you insist that I'm an alt of DarkDays because both usernames begin with Dark, search the boards for all the members that start with dark. "DarkMatters, TheDarkRide" are 2 examples. I haven't attacked any betcoin.ag players, except for my post right above saying it was a fake review. And that isn't really attacking the person.
Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.
Funny that you used a false review to defend yourself, and that review doesn't even feel anything about TwitchySeal. Betcoin does not pay fast at all. It took over 10 hours for my 0.09BTC win +0.1BTC deposit from a single sportsbet. I contacted customer support, and their excuse? We need to verify the bets. 10 hours to verify ONE NBA bet (low chance of it being fixed) is absurd, on any website.

The part that I was trying to stress isn't his review of Betcoin, but his opinion and outrage of Twitchy filling my thread with spam.

Just to say that Xiao is a nice affiliate and that I never had any problems neither my sub affiliate (He rakes high values not tiny tiny low as this loosers posting).

Xiao pays the right amount on time and always answers very quickly to any doubt so I dont understand this losers that keep posting.

And yes I check if the value of rake returned is right and it is.

Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.


I don't think TwitchySeal attacked your rakeback program (granted, I haven't read most of the thread), so he doesn't count, as the post described how you pay the right amount and that he hasn't had problems with you. Heck, read TwitchySeal's negative rating on Betcoin.ag - It said that if there is any rake program worth mentioning, it's at betcoin with you.

The post wasn't directed at you, apologies if it seemed that way.  I have edited it now.
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And also another example of you attacking my players.
I don't play poker, nor am I involved with post on your thread at all. If you insist that I'm an alt of DarkDays because both usernames begin with Dark, search the boards for all the members that start with dark. "DarkMatters, TheDarkRide" are 2 examples. I haven't attacked any betcoin.ag players, except for my post right above saying it was a fake review. And that isn't really attacking the person.
Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.
Funny that you used a false review to defend yourself, and that review doesn't even feel anything about TwitchySeal. Betcoin does not pay fast at all. It took over 10 hours for my 0.09BTC win +0.1BTC deposit from a single sportsbet. I contacted customer support, and their excuse? We need to verify the bets. 10 hours to verify ONE NBA bet (low chance of it being fixed) is absurd, on any website.

The part that I was trying to stress isn't his review of Betcoin, but his opinion and outrage of Twitchy filling my thread with spam.

Just to say that Xiao is a nice affiliate and that I never had any problems neither my sub affiliate (He rakes high values not tiny tiny low as this loosers posting).

Xiao pays the right amount on time and always answers very quickly to any doubt so I dont understand this losers that keep posting.

And yes I check if the value of rake returned is right and it is.

Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.


I don't think TwitchySeal attacked your rakeback program (granted, I haven't read most of the thread), so he doesn't count, as the post described how you pay the right amount and that he hasn't had problems with you. Heck, read TwitchySeal's negative rating on Betcoin.ag - It said that if there is any rake program worth mentioning, it's at betcoin with you.
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And also another example of Twitchy attacking my players.  When one of my players made this comment in the SWC thread, a totally valid comment:


I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

You sarcastically assumed he was "shilly" and then used one of your alternates/co-conspirator to give him a bad feedback, the same alternate you used to give me a bad feedback after you already gave me a malicious false feedback awhile ago.



excellent point, not shilly at all







Some more of my players telling you to stop spamming my service thread and their opinions of you:

Xiao, I thought you weren't going to respond to Twitchy anymore. There's no point in arguing with this guy. Not many regs like him either cause he takes up all of supports time when we're the ones that need help....



Can you be a little less cryptic for once and explain what you mean? We aren't all off our meds and we don't all speak spergs so please specify what you mean by shorting people rakeback.

If you have Asperger's, you shouldn't be in the position you're in, cause your hit or miss tactics of calling out people and businesses could really hurt someone.  Your obnoxiousness and mental instability pretty much outweighs your "scam alerts."  

There's more players who've spoken out about you, and people have said stuff to me in private about you which I won't post, but the reason you started to upset me was not because of your issues with Betcoin and Betsoft.  I personally believe Betsoft was incredibly unethical in the way they handled the Jasonort situation.  But you continue to attack my rakeback program by spamming the Betsoft issue and bringing up old poker room issues (that you had gotten wrong anyway).


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Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.
Funny that you used a false review to defend yourself, and that review doesn't even feel anything about TwitchySeal. Betcoin does not pay fast at all. It took over 10 hours for my 0.09BTC win +0.1BTC deposit from a single sportsbet. I contacted customer support, and their excuse? We need to verify the bets. 10 hours to verify ONE NBA bet (low chance of it being fixed) is absurd, on any website.

The part that I was trying to stress isn't his review of Betcoin, but his opinion and outrage of Twitchy filling my thread with spam.

Just to say that Xiao is a nice affiliate and that I never had any problems neither my sub affiliate (He rakes high values not tiny tiny low as this loosers posting).

Xiao pays the right amount on time and always answers very quickly to any doubt so I dont understand this losers that keep posting.

And yes I check if the value of rake returned is right and it is.

Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.


legendary
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Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.
Funny that you used a false review to defend yourself, and that review doesn't even feel anything about TwitchySeal. Betcoin does not pay fast at all. It took over 10 hours for my 0.09BTC win +0.1BTC deposit from a single sportsbet. I contacted customer support, and their excuse? We need to verify the bets. 10 hours to verify ONE NBA bet (low chance of it being fixed) is absurd, on any website.
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I heard many peole are experience in that gambling site and i think they are still halving this issue.. and looks like they are too greedy if they are talking about money.. why they are paying someone to lie to people. it means they want to attract more people to gamble and to scam all..
Now i believe right now about betcoin.ag that they are now scam.. before i never heard those issue but now i heard it 4 times this month.
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Your actions aren't any better than the recipients of your accusations.  You abuse the little power that you've gained from sitting at the computer nearly 24/7 and calling out businesses with your hit or miss tactics.  

You clearly knew that the CardsChat review of Betcoin Poker had already been removed, but you continued posting it everywhere as if it was still valid.  Anyone with common sense could see that that review was virtually gibberish.



You infer that the reason it was removed was because Betcoin bribed them, but you have absolutely no proof at all.  And even if Betcoin did bribe them, that just means you're posting the review of a company that accepts bribes as if it has merit.

You assume that just because some players are outraged at you, it is the work of Betcoin.  That is not true, the reason I began noticing you was because you continued to spam my thread, and lately with casino related issues that has nothing to do with my rakeback service nor the poker room.

Here's how some of my players feel about you yet you continue to spam my thread for malicious reasons, and you even acknowledged to me you're purposely being malicious and "attacking" me.



Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


Just to say that Xiao is a nice affiliate and that I never had any problems neither my sub affiliate (He rakes high values not tiny tiny low as this loosers posting).

Xiao pays the right amount on time and always answers very quickly to any doubt so I dont understand this losers that keep posting.

And yes I check if the value of rake returned is right and it is.

Betcoin pays very fast and is a nice place to play.





Hey guys,

I'm just here to testimony that this RB service has always been reliable and gave me full satisfaction.

It also saddens me to see twichy seals constantly bashing the betcoin site and this service. No doubt numbers of new players have been thrown away by his constant spamming.

@Twichy : when you don't like a company, you go to their competitors. When you're smart, that is. Apparently, you've found nothing better in life than spam the webs and spend all your time on a site you keep bashing. Get a facking life, m0r0n


This +1.

Xiaoxiao has always been great with his service, always paid the right amount in time and responded to queries very quickly and professionally. I dont know why one or two people have made it their purpose of life to bash him and his service all day long, its quite sad to see really. Ive had nothing but good experiences with the OP, he always paid what he promised and on time (which is a LOT more that can be said about most affs) and would absolutely recommend his rakeback for Betcoin.

When a player of mine posted this:

I always been payed by this affiliate he honors his word and my win rate on betcoin is higher then any other site. It has the weakest players. I honestly think bet coin is doing a great job and I am very negative about online poker rooms in general.

You immediately quoted a review that he made over 1 year ago in an attempt to shame him.  But that was 1 year ago, so clearly that means his opinion of the poker room has changed.

never mind dont sign up on betcoin. I just talked to their customer service very unprofessional and wont answer your question about if a game freezes in a sng do we get a refund. They siad just send a ticket. Screw them all join seals. Worst customer service I have had on any poker site. And they need customers and i play daily and play poker for a living. They thought i already signed up and had money deposited on the site so decided to be snotty and rude to me.  Great customer support. Dudes name was julian i think. GG. Ty for offer though I appreciate you trying to help out poker community but im not dealing with non professional people.







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Because the new players are inexperienced with Betcoin's software troubles.  Roll Eyes

And the players that play for a longer time have already defected, are too committed, or both.

Obviously the second "claim" is completely irrelevant with anything relating to Betcoin's character itself and cannot be used as a defense, but purely ad hominem regarding Twitchy, which has no value  because the argument therein has no weight whatsoever. (What a complicated sentence, eh?)

Damn! He dares to post evidence against Betcoin after it was taken down like it existed? Shocking! The internet obviously forgets everything once it's "deleted", right? Any past history doesn't matter - it's all about what you can find in the present!
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Betcoin has been attempting to discredit me for a while now by making false or only partially true claims made either here or more recently on their own forums and chat room - a community that has no rules and is censored without explanation.

They ignore 95% of my responses in this forum and ban me on their own site, so I will use this thread to respond each of their accusations.  Some of their claims are true or partially true, but more often they are malicious lies.  It's also obvious they are paying users to attack me.



First we have an example of Betcoin paying a player to literally make up a story about me based on nothing but lies.

Twitchyseal Offered Me Money on Instagram to Lie About Betcoin

Link: https://www.betcoin.ag/twitchyseal-offered-me-money-instagram-lie-about-betcoin
Archived: https://archive.is/yDEjy

What really happened:

I noticed a new player "ajundftd" in Betcoin Chat getting treated like shit ( not unusual ) It wasn't clear if he was innocent or not, but Betcoin Andrew was calling him a liar and trolling him.  

Here's some of the transcript:
https://archive.is/B5Mle <==archive of betcoins archive

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ajundftd: one sitting*
5:11pmajundftd: not 10k in sitting
5:11pmajundftd: 5k bets back to back
5:11pmantonlevay: i keep asking you how you bet 10k chips and you dont answer
5:11pmajundftd: was waiting
5:11pmajundftd: figured it was refunded
5:10pmajundftd: then refresh hand two wasn't even touched
5:10pmantonlevay: asince high limit is 2500 max
5:10pmantonlevay: and since you say you bet 10k chips you had to of played 2 hands and dbled them in high limit
5:10pmajundftd: said "server disconnection"
5:10pmajundftd: when I hit "hit" on the first hand it froze
5:10pmantonlevay: well again, if it is bj and you press hit stand or double, it plays it
5:10pmajundftd: i even asked them to look back at the hands through videos because I can't
5:09pmajundftd: anton that's exactly what I was expecting to happen
5:09pmajundftd: and you guys don't even address the fact that I am seeing something totally opposite
ajundftd: Why do I have a 14 screenshots showing error message on the 13th
5:08pmajundftd: Your software provider said he didn't have a problem after the 12th
5:08pmajundftd: So I don't come here and get called a cheater
5:08pmajundftd: As best as possible
5:07pmBetcoin Andrew: I know you are not.
5:07pmajundftd: I'm trying to document things
5:07pmajundftd: I'm not even stating facts andrew
5:07pmBetcoin Andrew: You can't think you are the only one who plays big blackjack hands.
5:07pmBetcoin Andrew: We just state facts ajun, some of our newer players try to abuse.
5:07pmantonlevay: or you had 2 hands where you dbled?
5:07pmmichigan1: https://twitter.com/zizzle77/status/754056929475899393
5:07pmmichigan1: Everyone retweet this just once and we will get more peeps to the daily :)
5:07pmajundftd: confirm that I lied about the timing of the vidoes?
5:07pmfallenhigh: ill even comment on thread because 20000 is better the 666$ any day
5:07pmBetcoin Andrew: Will you confirm that or still no?
5:07pmajundftd: you're reaching for something when I have evidence your software is going down on me when i'm placing 10k bets
5:06pmantonlevay: on high limit max is 2500
5:06pmantonlevay: where you bet 10k chips?
5:06pmajundftd: then why do i have a screenshot showing an error on the 13th
5:06pmBetcoin Andrew: You certainly lied about when you shot the videos.







That kept going on for a couple hours, but obviously that guy was pissed off and not getting anywhere.  So, I created a new account with the sole intention of telling him to come here to Bitcointalk and create a post.  Otherwise they would likely do nothing for him.  

(My account was instantly banned as usual and the comment deleted from the archive, but he he was able to read the comment firs)

Shortly after, Andrew came back to the chat room and told him to to come to private support chat.



Note time stamps:



An hour later, he posts his thread about me offering him money to lie and says only nice things about Betcoin from then on.

Had to share my story regarding Twitchyseal and the level of his trolling. Twitchyseal contacted me on Instagram and offered me money to lie about Betcoin and their treatment of me. I, of course refused, because despite a few issues that were fixed promptly, enjoy Betcoin and look forward to playing here. This level of trolling is unacceptable. Look out for him. He is willing to do anything to put BetCoin's name in harms way. He has many usernames.



This one involves a Betcoin affiliate (that receives higher commission than the top tier they advertise/essentially an employee)


(Xiao = harryjr  lolxiao = me)


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Xiao has yet to leave any neg trust for me, and i think he only posted this because he thought I wouldn't see it or something?

Shortly after he sent this pm to all his signups which is mostly bullshit:

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Hi Members of the BetcoinRakeback.com 40-150% extra rakeback program.  Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinrakebackcom-58-83-rakeback-here-only-acr-wpn-tourneys-683727

First of all I'd like to thank all of you for taking advantage of this profitable program.  It has allowed many of you to consistently profit in the poker room.  

However, as some of you may know, user 'TwitchySeal' aka 'OHYEAH' has been determined to libel this RB service.  Some of you have already expressed your outrage towards his behavior/spam in my thread and have complained to me about him.  Basically, he has a vendetta against Betcoin management and he's willing to attack anyone associated with Betcoin from affiliates to players.  A lot of times his intentions may seem good and they are (when he fairly calls out sites for irrational decisions), but he has ulterior motives which are ego-driven.  He uses alternate accounts and has co-conspirators to accomplish his goals.  And furthermore, he is a highly confrontational and impatient person.  His behavior in our service thread confuses newcomers and makes them afraid to take advantage of this program, and they end up playing else where paying a lot higher rake.  Betcoin Poker is a blossoming poker environment with a community where both players and live support can police the tables nearly 24/7 and can call out questionable plays such as collusion or bots in the forums/chat; no other poker establishment has this.

Though I don't always agree with the decisions and viewpoints of Betcoin management, I can assure you that they are not 'scammers.'  Scammers cannot get this far in the gaming world and have the connections they have (WPN software/membership, Casino providers, Sportsbook providers).  Having spoken to them many times I know they are well-funded.  In fact they own several other small licensed online gaming establishments but for anonymity's sake haven't divulged the exact ownership.

I can assure you they're goal is creating a good poker room, but they were very inexperienced with online poker management and have been steadily learning.  I am asking you as your loyal affiliate if you could please give some feedback in my thread to let new users know how rewarding this program can be, so that this program can grow, and in turn it will help the poker room grow so we could all reap the rewards.

Sincerely,
Xiao





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