Topic: BETCOIN.AG SCAM 2500$ (Read 354 times)

yes Betcoin.ag scam bookie i am send message to SBR and wait answer

friends you so confidently claim that I used some scanners, where is the evidence??? would you be at court to be prosecutors))) without the fact in you already claim, you yourself are not funny? I repeat that I did not use any programs!!! betoin above wrote that they agree to make a decision of a third party, let's invite any community and I will prove my identity to them! after all, initially the axel took the money because I am in a forbidden country I will prove the opposite!!

apparently, i doesnt really matter ...

Even if you loose in betcoin.ag they STILL CAN TRY TO STEAL whatever money you have left (like described in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betcoinag-closed-account-and-stole-around-1-btc-5284557)

It is considered as fraudulent activity by almost every bookie.
In most scenarios, arbitrage bettors won't lose money unless they get caught. Then casino will either return deposit (more likely) or seize all funds (less likely). Whole problem is because bettor will place another (losing) bet in one casino and the other casino will void winning.
I've read somewhere that arbitrage betting is legal, but there is that ToS thingy...

So arbitrage betting is considered fraudulent actions by this site??

What the fuck.

Get your odds up to date and this doesnt happen. How is the customer always fault?

What if he lost on your site? No problem then right.

Thats some scam terms in my opinion.

Google says it is program for arbitrage betting.
Just because you bookies don't like it and you placed it in your ToS, it doesn't mean arbitrage betting is fraud, but, as OP agreed that he won't use bots and do arbitrage betting and he did, and, you returned him his deposit back, I would say that any further discussion on this subject is unnecessary.

you are adults and you are appealing with stupidity! I'm justifying why you're fraudsters! 1- your axel started asking me questions about baseball, he asked when the last time the Marlins team won the championship and when I didn't answer the question he said liar, is that okay? then he threw me a link to pass the knowledge of his client, I explained that I am an old-fashioned person and I understand this badly I followed the link but everything was always hanging there and the program was closing and the axel gave me only 20 minutes, is it normal? I even came to the cryptoservice to make bets anonymously and you make me reveal my identity and humiliate here in the forum in front of you this is normal? are you accusing me of using some Russian scanners you can prove it??? I know forums, I know scanners, but that doesn't mean I use them, does it? You can know a lot but that doesn't mean I'm a fork! are you saying I called myself Mr. fork and this is an argument for you?? Are you disgraceful people??? I called myself this because your support did not answer me and I had to change my username to get in touch!!! be brave and publish ALL CORRESPONDENCE!!! and let people see what your axeh freak is moral and how he talks to people! I proved to you that I live in Lithuania!!!! what claims do you have against me??? prove that I am a fraud and take the money!!, but you can't do it because it's not!!!! that I know scanners doesn't mean I use them!!! and I threw a screenshot to you that you would see what I know!!!

We said you were suspected of playing from Russia, since you were using Russian forking services. We asked you to comply with KYC, which you failed twice and then refused to complete again until yesterday. At that time you received your deposit back. Your winnings were seized due to your admission of using banned betting technology, as seen in our comment above. You even sent a screenshot from a forking service which requires a paid subscription.

This accusation has no validity, as you have admitted more than once to breaking our TOS by using banned technology. We look forward to showing our licensor the many emails you have sent us admitting to this fraud.

You lie again and contradict yourself! at first you said that my money was taken because I live in Russia and use cash, and said take a photo of my house, you thought that I could not, and I said well and went to take a photo but you immediately said no more money we will not return you anyway! you are real liars and pennies let this money become a coma in your throat that you stole from my family! I am already making a complaint in curaçao!!! you lie every step of the way!

Looks like they keep on scamming, after the last scam as well, which one was around 2k.
When will this fraud organization be stopped? Or maybe the clown hhamphuz will step in again and defending this scam bookie.

Sorry but what are "Russian forking scanners" ??

The winnings were seized due to your admitted use of banned technology. This included sending us a live picture of a forking scanner and writing "I work like this myself" in an email, both are which are documented in our earlier comment. You even called yourself "mister forks" in the chat to be cute, despite the state of shock and fear you claimed to have been in above. We maintain that you are not eligible to collect any winnings, and we highly recommend that you don't return to Betcoin or any other online sportsbook.

This case was not resolved until today. As shown in our graphic above, you failed KYC 2 times. Even then, we offered you the deposit back, which you stated yourself in the chat from September.

mister forks4:51 PM
you said I could take the deposit

Today, after over a month, you sent us the additional pictures which were requested of you to verify your location, and received your deposit back within minutes.

how can I post all the conversations with them, I have nothing saved and in addition to this, the account is blocked! I can't understand the problem, can they prove I'm using prohibited software? let them prove and take the money! but it's not!


Listen, I want to repeat that it is very difficult for me to write through a translator he does not translate correctly! if you can help me email me in telegram @ saintzero I will show you a photo and confirm my identity and being in Lithuania, because at the request of the axel the money was taken because I am in a forbidden country! but it's not true!

Got tired of this. Then please publish the whole conversation which you think they have deleted, i'm not going to post any further than this before you doing that

I've already told you I'm NOT A FORK! I was in a state of shock when I realized that the axel was taking my money, he said confess that you were a Russian fork and I would give you the money, I did but he did not give the money to DECEIVE me! for me a huge amount, and I was already in fear and wrote a lot of things, it was hard for you to understand my condition at that time! they did not publish the whole conversation and lish openings from the context in which they exposed themselves to be good and me to be bad, regarding forks I really know the forums of Russian forklifts but I am not
I'm too old-fashioned for that I don't even have a smartphone! and the deposit was given today when I wrote a friend of the mail, they did not answer my mail, I gave them all the same photos as that day to the axel, but the axel did not accept them and today they accepted them for why when I said I wrote a complaint against them to you and sbr

Can you confirm this? are you the one whom  emailed betcoin.ag about that?

$2500 is huge amount i agree, but if you won that from something which you shouldn't use to win, you don't deserve the winning.


Can you confirm this too? Have you received your deposit back?

because they did not publish everything, they published what is beneficial to them, and conversations where the axel insulted me for some reason do not want to publish, listen and I wrote that my money 252mbtc flowed from the bet365 office, because the axel said be honest tell that you are a Russian fork and I will give the money! I went on a provocation, my deposit was $120 and in the account of $2500 for me is a huge amount I have 2 children that I need to feed, and when I understood chito axel wants to take the money I was ready to say anything, would you do otherwise?

betoin says that I am a Russian fork, but immediately says that I passed verification, that is, they made sure that I am a resident of Lithuania, I showed documents and proof of address, since I can be a Russian fork, I live in Lithuania, how can they prove that I used a scanner for forks? PROVE IT, and everything else is your fantasy! when a person loses money you love him and when a Russian fraudster immediately earned, do you accidentally not donald trump? you always have Russian scammers around)) I communicate with players from beatslers and never heard you steal money! if I can take the money from betcoin, I will bet from you! I apologize if suddenly the translator did not correctly translate my thoughts

After i read the live chat which provided by betcoin.ag between axel & OP, i didn't found any "very rudely reply" from him, instead OP was tried to "extort" betcoin.ag by something he called by "Russian Fork"

OP, you can send us your proofs just like betcoin.ag did above

In this situation, we are able to disclose all the info publicly. After a review of this player's activity, it became apparent that he was using Russian forking scanners (a banned technology) to place bets.
https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service
10.2 If the player is suspected of fraudulent actions including but not limited to: participating in any type of collusion with other players, development of strategies aimed at unfaithful winnings, arbitrage betting, use of forking services, Use of surebet or valuebet services, fraudulent actions against other online casinos or payment providers, chargeback procedures with a credit card or denial of some payments made, other types of cheating, providing incorrect information about personal data during registration or is known to have gone bankrupt in the country of his residence, the Company reserves the right to terminate the user account and suspend all payouts to the player.

After being accused of this, he denied it initially. We asked him to provide KYC, which he failed twice, as can be viewed here:


We then offered his deposit back at that time, which he refused and then he started spamming our email and chat admitting that he was using the forking scanners.

From live chat (edits in brackets):

sertit4:33 PM
hi
sertit has changed their email address to {REDACTED}
sertit has changed their name to mister forks.
mister forks4:34 PM
I know everyone who uses a scanner that makes a deposit, parser, can even give access to the scanner so that you can set up a frod system against forks
4:34 PM
Support Axel has joined.
Support Axel4:34 PM
You can send an email about that.
mister forks4:34 PM
no
mister forks4:35 PM
I propose a deal
Support Axel4:35 PM
Further communication will be done through email.
mister forks4:35 PM
250 mbtc this is my money I bet on bet365 and they lost and passed to you, you return me my money 250mbtc and I tell you everything, it will help you easily catch scammers
mister forks4:36 PM
email is not answered to me
Support Axel4:36 PM
It will be answered.
mister forks4:36 PM
{support at betcoin dot ag}
Support Axel4:37 PM
yes.
mister forks4:38 PM

"2311111.jpg" sent.
so answer me, I wrote everything a long time ago
Support Axel4:38 PM
Send an email with all that please.
mister forks4:39 PM
[email protected]
you have telegramm?
in a telegram it will be easier to communicate
Support Axel4:40 PM
No, I am sorry.
mister forks4:40 PM
{PLAYER POSTS LINK TO RUSSIAN FORKING SCANNER}
whatsupp
?
discord
skype ?
mister forks4:43 PM
Axel I just won't tell you everything, I know 10 people from Russia who successfully take money from you every day, with my information you can easily catch all of them, are you ready for a deal?
Support Axel4:43 PM
As I said, further communication will be done only though mail. Higher management will review your message.
mister forks4:45 PM
so answer me in the mail!!! I pretend you deal you give me $2500 mine, I tell you everything you need and it will save you $2500,000 I know all about it!! just say yes or no and that's it! and you didn't even give me the deposit and the account is blocked
Support Axel4:45 PM
I already explained you. Higher management will decide.
mister forks4:46 PM
so how to communicate with him if they are silent?
Support Axel4:46 PM
As I said, send an email with all the information. They will be aware
mister forks4:46 PM
then pass this to the top management and let them write to me in the mail
mister forks4:47 PM
and open an account for me to withdraw the deposit
Support Axel4:49 PM
No, you have to send the email with the proposal
mister forks4:50 PM
said
mister forks4:51 PM
you said I could take the deposit
but do not open an account so that I take it
Support Axel4:52 PM
That will happen after that.
mister forks4:52 PM
how much can I expect a response from senior management
how much can I expect a response from senior management?
and if you talk without jokes, you are very aggressive! morally want to break
Support Axel4:53 PM
I will inform them once you send the mail.
mister forks4:54 PM
i said
ыyтвyв
sended
Support Axel4:54 PM
Ok then it will be reviewed very soon.
mister forks4:55 PM
today ?
Support Axel4:56 PM
Should be, yes.
mister forks4:58 PM
ok i wait
mister forks4:59 PM
is senior management a david?
Support Axel4:59 PM
He is one of them yes.
mister forks5:00 PM
note I said I know everything about the forks and how you get taken away but I didn't say I do that so I'm still waiting for my $2500)))
its unreal?
mister forks5:03 PM
i dont lie you
mister forks5:25 PM
you are sleep ?
5:40 PM
Support Axel has left.
5:41 PM
mister forks has left.

Additionally, here is one of many emails sent


The picture he sent in the chat with the baseball symbol is from a forking scanner. As you can tell by his replies, there is a clear reason why this technology is banned by and considered cheating by nearly all betting sites.

He did complete his KYC finally today after not hearing from him for over a month, and we returned his deposit.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/c148f1e4e09b0613635fc2db51de8cf20385a389e9b6c49f22c98a3337402de8

We consider this matter resolved but are willing to comply with the decision of any 3rd party mediator.

I live in Lithuania when I wanted to withdraw money after a month of play, support, in particular, the axel began to communicate very rudely insulting me asking about bets about baseball about teams about players there are questions not related to my money because I can even put without knowing the players this is my right, as a result, they called a fraudster from Russia and stopped responding to my messages, although I sent them a photo of a passport, document confirming my address too, go photo of my house in Lithuania! I even sent a video on which I shot my passport and a document confirming my address

Hmm there are many problems still ongoing about this site.

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OP, what happened after you tried withdraw your money? was it said your account got blocked?
Did you use multipleaccounts?
Are you from banned country which prohibited to playing on betcoin.ag?
What question they asked to you?

You are not following the proper format for your accusation. Follow this scam report format and include all necessary evidences there.

More details here, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-report-format-use-it-to-make-scam-reports-properly-260073

I greet everyone! I live in Lithuania and we mainly speak Russian or Lithuanian! therefore, I do not know English and write through a translator in advance I apologize! The fact is that I opened a betcoin account made a deposit of $200 and made bets! on my account there was $2500 and when I tried to withdraw the funds, naturally no one gave them to me, AXEL began a conversation with me in a live chat, he asked a bunch of different idiotic questions and checked whether I understood in sports he called me a liar and crushed me in every way psychologically! called a scammer! and when I asked him what if I was a fraud why would I keep such a balance? I would withdraw small amounts he just blocked the account and there is still no answer! honor is not answered! account blocked THEY don't even give a deposit! how can the matter be resolved with them?