Topic: Betcoin.ag Shills (Read 996 times)

I am not sure if I read it bad, but I understood the following:
You have already proved that ftwbtc has (at lest) one alt.
You believe ftwbtc might be under control of "Betcoin Jessica", here.
You present the sarcastic answers "Betcoin Jessica" gives (I would say I agree that their customer support sometimes is disrespectful; even if you asked the most idiotic questions they must stay polite).
You show some quotes of Betcoin.ag using "Betcoin Jessica"'s style.
You move on to quote some replies from ftwbtc exhibiting similar tactics and writing style (both of which more or less refer to writing style, IMO).
You add their posting activity times as an extra proof.

I have no idea if what they say are lies or not, but casinos usually have their fanboys blindly defending them (right now I can recall SatoshiDice and Betcoin.tm, and Directdice, but I guess no serious claim has raised against them).

That sucks, but many sites do it. There are businesses/app developers buying reviews to start with a five star rating, that is extremely dishonest. There are lots of threads giving away BTC for posting "why you like/what you like the most about this site", to me that is nearly the same.

He could have another account to which he lost access (forgot password, banned, stopped liking his nick, etc.). My rollin account has a different name that the one I have here (because I forgot the password to the first one and I had not added a recovery option yet). I also use different account names in other sites (Bitvest, Directbet Casino and probably a few others I cannot remember right now). I wonder how many people have seen "me" (98789) in those places...

That is suspicious, I agree, but it depends on the quality/language of those posts. They could be considered spam (I came here because I read your annoying roslinpl ).

It is a common use of alts, backing yourself up. It would be very sketchy if he only used his alt for that purpose, though.

No, I'm not basing it off similar writing style.  I didn't even notice the similarities until after I was suspicious and started investigating.

I'm basing my accusation on the following facts (which have been proven):

• Both accounts have told blatant lies to protect or build Betcoin.ag reputation.
• Betcoin.ag offers rewards to certain players if they leave good reviews or defend Betcoin in their thread. (so they consider posts like this valuable)
• ftwbtc has been praising betcoin or defending them since summer 2014.  He only started posting on Betcoin forums last month.  His Betcoin account was created only last month.
• Nobody I have spoken to has ever seen ftwbtc playing poker or post a betslip.
• Posts mentioning these facts about ftwbtc are removed from Betcoin forum.
• ftwbtc has at least 1 alt account, which he has interacted with in threads that the alt was attacking me and praising Betcoin.ag

I agree, similar writing styles or a few "pet words" proves very little. I'm not sure why you thought that was the basis of my claim though.






Agree.  I suggest you read OP, which was made a week before I even realized they had identical activity times.

Trying to identify alt accounts through correlation of activity times is stupid and ineffective. All that doing this proves is that they are active around the same times, which could be linked to something as general as a timezone.

Its stuff like this that makes you look very bad, Betcoin.AG

Bottom line, your business model might be based on a real sportsbook/casino/pokerroom - but the difference between the real ones (fully licensed and issued by a government - speaking about Corals, Bet365, Unibet etc.) and you is that you are using a tiny loophole (which isnt even one in the end...you know theres a timelimit), thats fine and it works but like everything else that way: The pyramid will crash thanks to bad money management and fantasy targets.

And yea, go ahead, you can check me on your site, same name... didnt do much... few bets and some poker... for fun... but thats what it is, for fun, cause you have to be seriously brain damaged to put alot of money into something that, NO MATTER WHAT, cant be held accountable for - when it announces the "end".

I honestly believe you will survive 2016 fine (who wouldnt want to with the Euro 2016 coming up) - but you already disqualified yourself numerous times of being some sort of "genuine business company" ... why you dont ask Phil over at WPN whether he loves hearing stories of you... but anyway, he loves getting the fees...

So - its not a full scam, its not actually any scam ... its just a bunch of amateurs running out of money and ideas...

 

Betcoin.ag poker room and casino/sportsbook is the best there is online.There customer support only wants what is good for the players to have a positive and fun online gaming experience.I wouldnt recommend playing anywhere else but betcoin.ag online.Plus they have a great great chat room for players to interact. Betcoin.ag is where its at !!!

I'd like to keep this thread focused on whether or not there's substantial evidence that ftwbtc1 is an account controlled by Betcoin Management.  I'm really just looking for objective opinions on this specific topic.

I've been at war with Betcoin for months now, and I truly believe that I am right and they are wrong about most of the issues discussed in THIS THREAD

But It's tough for me to look at this situation without bias and I don't have a smoking gun, so I'm interested in others opinions here, especially if you aren't too involved in the "gambling community" or at least Betcoin.

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I've already proven that ftwbtc1 and noobtc are the same person using multiple accounts for the sole purpose of protecting the reputation of Betcoin.ag (you can read about that HERE)
Now I want to explain why I believe the person who has been posting as ftwbtc1 since June 2014 and noobtc more recently is "Betcoin Jessica", a member of Betcoin management who also controls the official Betcoin.ag on this forum.


First, for those who haven't spent much time dealing with Betcoin support directly, let me explain some of the tactics used by Betcoin management on their own forums/trollbox and here at BTCTalk. These are all used in place of addressing the issue directly and attempting to find a transparent resolution. (I don't really want these tactics to derail thread, but I think explaining them is the best way to point out the connections later)

They will often just tell the player directly:

• "Play where you are happiest"  this is their "nice" way of saying "If you don't like it then fuck off"
  
  If the player doesn't doesn't let the issue go, they might point out:
  
• "You're still here, that must be because we make you happiest (you're welcome for making you happy)"  (they have used this on current players, banned players and players who hadn't played on their site in months)
  
• "Look how many log ins we have but only 2 or 3 complainers, we must be pretty awesome"
• "We must be doing a really great job since we have so many logins right now and we keep getting more and more new players every day! WOW!"
  
• "You're complaints can't be valid since you're the only ones complaining"

Reverse psychology:

• We are HAPPY that you just accused us of doing something horrible in public.  No really, we are.
• Please, keep posting you important questions, if we didn't like it we would ask you to stop. (But if you post them on our forum, we will delete them and ban you)
• We're fascinated with the amount of effort put into these complaints which are invalid.  (you're crazy)
  
• Thanks for bumping our thread, this is great for our business!  If it weren't for you, we wouldn't be so successful and we feel bad that we are the ones profiting from your posts so here's a pity bonus "

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Here are some examples of Betcoin using these tactics:




And this one from Betcoin, likely the same person as "Betcoin Jessica":


These are pms between Betcoin and myself:












Edit: later discovered very similar activity times.