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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

While there is a category of gamblers that employ patterns and trends in their betting approach to Baccarat, they are often called 'betting system' followers. Such systems are based on the patterns or trends found in the history of betting on the game. These bettors may keep track of previous bet results and try to find some particular regularities or repetitions among them. Then they use these patterns as a basis for making their wagers.

This is what I’m looking for. I’m kinda confused why they are using previous bet pattern like a technical analysis on trading while it’s not even related to the actual condition of cards on the deck.

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Nevertheless, bear in mind that all strategies have an element of risk attached to them because every spin is a single outcome. Even if a player has been successful in following a certain betting pattern for some time, it does not mean that the pattern will always be successful. Whereas some gambling games are based on prediction like card counting in Blackjack, Baccarat doesn’t fall under this category. In the game of Blackjack, one of the strategies is counting cards where players keep tabs on all the cards that are played from the deck to predict what card will be dealt next. Conversely, every hand in Baccarat does not depend on the result of previous games; hence, there is no way one can anticipate the following outcome based on what cards have been played.

Don’t worry, I’m well aware on the risk and I’m planning to play this game because I don’t see any way to efficiently way this game using a strategy while the payout is a little bit low than 2.0 despite the game is close to 50% win rate chance.

I’m only bewildered how streamers in my country play this game as if they are sure on the results.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

If the baccarat game result is dictated by a code, then it is possible for the player to see the pattern if the code is not entirely polished and left with flaws. Just like in one of the video Karera[1] placed in some mall where the pattern of the result of the game can be detected.

But if the game is done through manual means, where there is a live dealer, I can say there is no logic in that pattern unless the dealer and the bettor are in cahoot.

Regardless though if manual or the casinos uses electronic means to shuffle the card and uses more card in a deck, there is no pattern to be found in this game. And most likely this is one of the favorite games because they believed they can exploit and found one.

And although some might argue that there is, still base on statistics and probabilities. < 50% chance to win though, as compare to let's say a slot machine or a roulette games. So could be better for gamblers to play this one.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

While there is a category of gamblers that employ patterns and trends in their betting approach to Baccarat, they are often called 'betting system' followers. Such systems are based on the patterns or trends found in the history of betting on the game. These bettors may keep track of previous bet results and try to find some particular regularities or repetitions among them. Then they use these patterns as a basis for making their wagers.

Nevertheless, bear in mind that all strategies have an element of risk attached to them because every spin is a single outcome. Even if a player has been successful in following a certain betting pattern for some time, it does not mean that the pattern will always be successful. Whereas some gambling games are based on prediction like card counting in Blackjack, Baccarat doesn’t fall under this category. In the game of Blackjack, one of the strategies is counting cards where players keep tabs on all the cards that are played from the deck to predict what card will be dealt next. Conversely, every hand in Baccarat does not depend on the result of previous games; hence, there is no way one can anticipate the following outcome based on what cards have been played.

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Quote from: Muchiratsky on April 10, 2024, 09:14:19 PM

Odds are very similar to dice, 50/50. I don't think there are patterns in general since it would be easy for long-time players to recognize them and take advantage. But even without a pattern, the chances are still way better than any gambling game. This being said, though, it can get more addicting. And then you'll notice that even if there are good odds, you're more leaning on losing than actually winning with your 50% chance.

What I’m describing on my post is about the different betting pattern which players of this game usually do. I’m not looking for a specific pattern on the game but rather the strategy (if there is) as guide on playing this game properly.

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Added to the fact that, mostly by instinct, people tend to gamble more when they face losses.

Totally agree to this, I always notice this on my game probably the reason behind is we want to recover our losses which is why the more we lose means there’s a higher amount needed to recover therefore bet size increase respectively.

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Odds are very similar to dice, 50/50. I don't think there are patterns in general since it would be easy for long-time players to recognize them and take advantage. But even without a pattern, the chances are still way better than any gambling game. This being said, though, it can get more addicting. And then you'll notice that even if there are good odds, you're more leaning on losing than actually winning with your 50% chance. Added to the fact that, mostly by instinct, people tend to gamble more when they face losses.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

If the baccarat game result is dictated by a code, then it is possible for the player to see the pattern if the code is not entirely polished and left with flaws. Just like in one of the video Karera[1] placed in some mall where the pattern of the result of the game can be detected.

But if the game is done through manual means, where there is a live dealer, I can say there is no logic in that pattern unless the dealer and the bettor are in cahoot.

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/video_karera#

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video + Tagalog karera (“race”), from the horse racing games played in the machines.

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(Philippines, informal) An illegal betting game using an arcade machine playing horse racing.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

Honestly it just feels like a random 46% 46% 8% lucky guess game IMO. 8% being a tie. So in reality you have a 54% chance of not losing money on a bet.

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If a game is random-based, anything doesn't matter but everything also matters. It's ironic, but if you can't have any basis on your bet because it's basically based on nothing but luck, you can turn everything as a basis for your bet. I guess that's a natural inclination to make fun out of a game that's otherwise boring.

Betting based on patterns is common in many gambling games. I myself don't believe that there's so much in it, but I also made bets according to pattern whether it's baccarat or roulette or dice and others.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on April 10, 2024, 06:06:51 PM

Most of the streamers is just betting on their hunch and some only rely if they saw a pattern like a player won twice which means the banker might win the same amount on the next round or alternate patterns which is not reliable.

I agree.

They don't have their own pattern or strategy, they usually just copy what they see and what is formed on their minds. There's no actual strategy that they lean on towards baccarat or any games of the same type.

What's good with them is that the entertaining part is that they are making it look fine to lose money and making fun of themselves. But this part is where many have been fooled that if the streamer is known to be sponsored by various casinos.

They're free to lose money and given an account with that credit that they'll just have to gamble and show how fun it is to gamble on that sponsor casino.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

I played mini baccarat $20 minimum last weekend and although I ended up losing in the end, I could say I had some fun. Catching luck on the bonuses, or the progressive bets is where one can really win in this game. Another 'good' thing about the game from my experience is that it may go slower than other games decreasing your bets per hour. There's also the version where there is no commission at all for banker like this Commission Free Baccarat https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/appendix/6/

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

There’s no strategy on Baccarat that works the same way as Blackjack because you don’t have any option to hit or stand to improve your cards while everything is simulated based on the rules of the game. Always bet on banker is what the common strategy on this game since it has an advantage due to the baccarat rules despite the payout is slightly lower when bet on players.

Most of the streamers is just betting on their hunch and some only rely if they saw a pattern like a player won twice which means the banker might win the same amount on the next round or alternate patterns which is not reliable.

Baccarat is a game which you will test your patience and luck at the same time since you are just choosing which side to bet.

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Do you mean the streamers? They don't gamble at all when they're streaming with a particular casino playing games like baccarat.

As you've said, it's based on pure luck, and whatever strategy of changing their post as a banker or player or vice versa, it doesn't matter at all.

And as for the strategy, it's associated with pattern though and many have already said that it can be martingale but if you're not a fan of it then just gamble casually without thinking of any pattern or build some on your own.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on April 10, 2024, 04:15:13 PM

Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

The best strategy that you can use for Baccarat is still the martingale strategy but which is also very risky. As martingale can be good, it is still the most risky strategy, especially if not done accurately and without greediness. All those games, also including roulettes are all pure luck. What I just do is that I risk little amount of money on them because I know I am prone to lose more than win as house edge is real.

Yeah, and I think Martingale system was built around this games, as obviously, you doubled your bet to at least gain back the money that you have lose. Or do the Reverse martingale when you are in a winning run. And if I'm not mistaken, it's about like 45% chances of winning either Banker or Player.

As for any betting patterns, still depends on luck. But I will tell you that there are gambling days that I really feel very confident on winning a tie. If I remember it correctly, I won like 5 out of 6, or 6 out of 7, just looking at some patterns and I "believed" that the next card will be a tie or at least a pair. Odds for a pair pay is 1:11 by the way, tie, 1:8. So I was very happy, but wasn't able to duplicate that feat again.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

I won't lie, I really don't have much experience playing the game and to be honest I have only seen people play it on videos and others but although I have seen the game on many online casino but am really not a fan of casino game because I also believe like you have already stated that these games are purely luck based and it always suprises me when I see people saying they have some kind of method or strategy in playing these games. For me it's more sportbet where I can atleast feel the edge of knowing that I actually made some research and prediction on the game I played.

The thing about baccarat is that it is not a pure luck or luck based gambling games, because there is really a winning pattern in a card or combination of the card, I may not experienced in baccarat but it is a card game gambling so I think it is not pure luck gambling game, I think therr are rules in this game maybe about who has the higher number of cards that is combined between the player and the banker, but I don't see that past history of baccarat match can be used as an indicator in order to win, because we know how they will shuffle the cards first every matches so the result of draw cards will also be randomized, it depends on how will the player risk a bet after the final draw of card that will determined who will win, anyway I'm getting more interested in baccarat maybe I should try it sometimes because I'm more on card game gambling games.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

I won't lie, I really don't have much experience playing the game and to be honest I have only seen people play it on videos and others but although I have seen the game on many online casino but am really not a fan of casino game because I also believe like you have already stated that these games are purely luck based and it always suprises me when I see people saying they have some kind of method or strategy in playing these games. For me it's more sportbet where I can atleast feel the edge of knowing that I actually made some research and prediction on the game I played.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

The best strategy that you can use for Baccarat is still the martingale strategy but which is also very risky. As martingale can be good, it is still the most risky strategy, especially if not done accurately and without greediness. All those games, also including roulettes are all pure luck. What I just do is that I risk little amount of money on them because I know I am prone to lose more than win as house edge is real.

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The strategy I know looks something similar to the Martingale strategy. It involves doubling the bet after a loss and returning to the initial bet after a win, with a specific sequence of bets: Player, Banker, Player, Player, Banker, Banker. I have never tried it but just heard about it and this thread seems perfect to ask my longtime question about this strategy. Will some experts here help a brother out? If I lose the last bankers bet do I restart the sequence with my bet back to the start or do I restart the sequence and double my bet again?

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

Yeah it’s also like our local Lucky 9 game, but baccarat has different rules such that if you get this sum with two cards with lower sum dealer need to hit another card to that (Player or Banker cards). Unlike our Lucky 9, it depends on the player and banker if they want to hit another card ( we called hirit pa ). When I play this game, I just stick with the banker and the betting martingale strategy. If you want to use this betting strategy you it at your own risk.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

Baccarat is my favorite game, I used to play it alot a few years ago.
And yes, its just a coincidence, there is no such thing as "a pattern" in the game of baccarat.
Here is the example of baccarat pattern:

We can see that in the last row there is 1 Tie/Green and 3 Player/Blue and If we look at the previous rows, there is no Banker nor Player that can dominate the entire column.
So, for those who follow the pattern, they will definitely bet on Banker in the next round.

The patterns are not always the same or have standard rules, because they are formed from the imagination of each player.
So, Pattern in Baccarat = Gambler's Fallacy

It's weird that the pattern I grew up with playing baccarat in a land base casinos is this,

But I do agree, there is no pattern in baccarat and it's all what we call gambler's fallacy. Gambler though tend to believed that they can find patterns in every game, even in slots. However, there is none and its all random that the next play will be Banker or Player based on the previous results.

And then couple it with martingale system = disaster for a baccarat player.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

You're absolutely right, and it's insightful of you to question the logic behind those betting patterns. In baccarat, just like you mentioned, the outcome is purely based on luck, and the game is designed with fixed rules for drawing cards, leaving no room for strategic play in the same sense as card counting in blackjack. The betting patterns you've observed with streamers often stem from the gambler's fallacy, the mistaken belief that past outcomes can influence future ones in a game of independent trials. These patterns can make the game more engaging for some, but they don't genuinely affect the odds or the outcomes.

Your skepticism about the effectiveness of such strategies shows a clear understanding of the game's nature. There's really no hidden strategy akin to blackjack's card counting that can sway the odds in your favor in baccarat.

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Quote from: cabron on April 10, 2024, 12:19:40 PM

I'm not a fan of the game but aren't you the one to decide whether you wanna be a banker or player? Of course, the banker has the edge, and if it's them who decides who be the banker and the player then you have to be lucky to be chosen as a banker all the time.

Playing this game live online makes that counting card strategy inapplicable. Martingale and those Fibo still apply to this game but asking for another card is already a strategy.

That's about my limit of understanding when it comes to baccarat as well. I've seen it played a few times but I have absolutely no idea what is going on. I should probably watch a video on it or read some sort of instructions so I'm not totally lost. If I were ever face to face with a baccarat table, I would probably just bet the banker and hope to win, having absolutely no idea what the odds are or even how to tell if the banker or the player won. If anyone has any tips on a quick instructional video to show someone the ropes, feel free to share.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

Baccarat is my favorite game, I used to play it alot a few years ago.
And yes, its just a coincidence, there is no such thing as "a pattern" in the game of baccarat.
Here is the example of baccarat pattern:

We can see that in the last row there is 1 Tie/Green and 3 Player/Blue and If we look at the previous rows, there is no Banker nor Player that can dominate the entire column.
So, for those who follow the pattern, they will definitely bet on Banker in the next round.

The patterns are not always the same or have standard rules, because they are formed from the imagination of each player.
So, Pattern in Baccarat = Gambler's Fallacy

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

There is no pattern in baccarat, there is no card counting similar to blackjack, it's either, banker or player and other side bets (draw/tie, super six/seven, pair). Although in every casinos, you will those card being given, and then you put red or blue and others make their pattern, i.e. sticks or those circles, big eye or small eye, that's what they called it.

Still base on pure luck or how lucky you can draw the conclusion on what will be the next winner here. Been playing baccarat for years, although I look at this so called patterns, I don't believed on them, this is another of what we call gamblers fallacy, in which we believed that a event is going to happen based on the results from a series of events.

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Quote from: Wapfika on April 10, 2024, 11:07:31 AM

Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

If you are talking about the online one,then yeah it does not make sense because the game is software controlled and is run by some very complex algorithm that in the end will favor the house just like every slot machine is built for example,any software game there is no real logic behind it to go and change patterns as they simply have no true meaning.I know of many people putting up so called strategies in some certain slot machines from a specific provider which I am not naming here that provider and they think they can have an edge over the slot machine which simply is not the case as a slot machine is based solely on RNG,programmed to favor the house over the long run.

If you talk about real life baccarat then I don't know what to say as I rarely have played that game.

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I'm not a fan of the game but aren't you the one to decide whether you wanna be a banker or player? Of course, the banker has the edge, and if it's them who decides who be the banker and the player then you have to be lucky to be chosen as a banker all the time.

Playing this game live online makes that counting card strategy inapplicable. Martingale and those Fibo still apply to this game but asking for another card is already a strategy.

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Baccarat is one of the popular live games now in the Philippines since it’s the original version of our local game lucky 9.

I saw many streamers that using betting pattern on this but I don’t see the logic how they decide to change bet from banker to dealer and vice versa by just relying only on the bet history. Baccarat is a game of pure luck so I don’t comprehend how they come any strategy on this game.

Am I missing something strategy which is almost similar to card counting of blackjack?

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