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sr. member
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I just wish that DuckDuckGo and Gmail alternatives like Protonmail and Tutanota would step their game up. Gmail is still miles ahead of the privacy-focused email clients in terms of UI and UX.

I don't agree with this on proton mail.
I am a proton mail user for years, and their service is better than Google mail. Gmail ads are becoming annoying to me, also

They are now going to launch their calendar. When that calendar is done, and if it is good and easy to use (with some automatic update like trips ) there will be no reason to keep using gmail., Imo.

The only problem is that their service is expensive. Very expensive.

Additionally, their UI is amazing, their Android app is nice and clean.

Proton mail also allows you to use an email like [email protected] for free, which is very cool.

About duckduckgo, unfortunately, it is a shitty search engine. Can't find anything there.
Maybe some customization is necessary in a search engine, such as location based results... I don't know why, but ddg is useless to me.



I agree. I use protonmail too and I have never had any problem. Seems safe and secure. For search engines I use presearch which earns you crypto while promoting and supporting the crypto world.
I only use Gmail to have a gmail account for easy logins. Other then that I see no advantage.
legendary
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Use signal and talk to whom? To only 3 nerds from bitcointalk?

Signal is more popular than you think, it has over 10 million download on Google Play

I can confirm that.
The majority of my friends are using signal or threema. Only a small percentage (<10% still sticks with whatsapp).

I mean.. sure i still have whatsapp installed, but thats only for those few people who don't know how to switch to a dilfferent one.

Even one non-techy person i know is only communicating via signal with all of her friends (all of them are far away from being tech-savy).
Signal is steadily gaining more user. All of the data affairs of facebook are definitely good reasons to switch.
newbie
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Use Firefox or Brave Browser or even TOR. The new 69.0 version of Firefox comes with a built-in option to block tracking cookies.
Google is making money selling your online activity to anyone willing to pay for it.

It is hard to believe either, but as you can notice that everything is like ver open like people can now make many links that may lead to phishing site that can penetrate your google accounts.
legendary
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And fake documents? Is this exchange really reliable? Would you send 10k usd there ? I doubt you could do that in bitstamp or coinbase for example.
It's a non KYC account for trading bitcoin to stablecoins or altcoins. I don't trade fiat on exchanges, so no need to do KYC.

Use signal and talk to whom? To only 3 nerds from bitcointalk?
Most people I want to chat with on a daily basis (wife, couple of family members, handful of friends) also use Signal. Anyone else I can email or phone.

Do t you have a personal life? Don't you meet people in parties and they ask for your WhatsApp?
Lol. I'm well past the age of going to parties to meet people.

Don't you rent a house in airbnb and talk to the hoster via WhatsApp? You may even be bad rated if you cannot be contacted.
I've used Airbnb a couple of times, and always communicated through the website, never through WhatsApp. I've never been rated poorly.

I am sorry but what you are describing is just a shitful internet experience.
In your opinion, maybe. I'm sure I get more out of the internet than 99% of the population who are too busy sharing photos of their latest skinny frappuccino to care that everywhere they go, everything they say, and everything they do is being monitored, logged, and sold.

Searching ddg is like searching in Altavista.... Using bugged and broken Android versions..
If you really love Google so much, than you can use Searx and configure it to just search Google on your behalf and return the results to you. The exact same results as Google without any of the privacy invasion, data mining, and tracking.

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I used to play a little game called “Let’s See How Completely I Can Ruin My Internet Experience.” I used a Firefox browser with about 50 privacy-related plugins. Any website I visited had large chunks missing due to blocked JavaScript (thanks, NoScript). Once I’d allowed the barest number of scripts necessary, I had to talk my zealous cookie managers into allowing me to log in. That is, of course, after I closed the alerts of analytics packages tracking me, since they typically covered up login forms. Browsing the Internet was, frankly, a chore.
Well then he configured it poorly. There is no requirement for 50 privacy related plugins, and I'm sure with that many, they would constantly conflict and interact with one another in unpredictable ways. I use 7 plugins, and I configured them so long ago I don't even give them a second though. I almost get nauseous when I have to use Internet Explorer on a computer at work and see what websites actually look like. The ads, the scripts, the pop ups, the autoplaying videos, not to mention the huge amount of third party cookies and tracking which goes on in the background.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
However, don't you have a verified account in an exchange?
Nope. I have exactly one exchange account, opened under a brand new email and fake name not used for anything else.
And fake documents? Is this exchange really reliable? Would you send 10k usd there ? I doubt you could do that in bitstamp or coinbase for example.

Don't you use Google products? Gmail, Google, Android?
Nope, nope, and nope.
Instead of Gmail use Protonmail, Tutanota, or Disroot. Instead of Google use Duckduckgo, Startpage, or Searx. Instead of Android use GrapheneOS, LineageOS, or Ubuntu Touch.

Facebook products? Instagram, WhatsApp...
Again, nope, nope, and nope.
There is no need to actually ever use social media.
Instead of Whatsapp use Signal.

Use signal and talk to whom? To only 3 nerds from bitcointalk? Do t you have a personal life? Don't you meet people in parties and they ask for your WhatsApp? Don't you rent a house in airbnb and talk to the hoster via WhatsApp? You may even be bad rated if you cannot be contacted.

I am sorry but what you are describing is just a shitful internet experience.not only a shitful internet experience, but this even interfere in your personal life.

Living without WhatsApp and sending sms again like in the 90s and 00s?
Searching ddg is like searching in Altavista.... Using bugged and broken Android versions..

Take a read in this  article. It is about a guy who had this broken internet experience you are describing, and he just gave up. He has a similar setup that you are describing. Worth reading, recommended by proton mail blog:

https://slate.com/technology/2014/02/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-a-less-private-internet.html

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I used to play a little game called “Let’s See How Completely I Can Ruin My Internet Experience.” I used a Firefox browser with about 50 privacy-related plugins. Any website I visited had large chunks missing due to blocked JavaScript (thanks, NoScript). Once I’d allowed the barest number of scripts necessary, I had to talk my zealous cookie managers into allowing me to log in. That is, of course, after I closed the alerts of analytics packages tracking me, since they typically covered up login forms. Browsing the Internet was, frankly, a chore.

 I treated myself like a criminal, obsessed with keeping a very low online profile. I deactivated my Facebook and ran a Diaspora node instead (no one ever friended me), I left Twitter for Identi.ca (you wouldn’t know her; she’s from Canada), and I ran an unstable build of CyanogenMod on my Android phone that let me remove permissions from applications. I was a ghost in the shell, communicating only in dark alleyways of the Internet like a nerdy drug dealer.

 Regular Internet users rolled their eyes at me when I said, “I don’t use Facebook,” or “I won’t see your tweets; just find me on identi.ca.” In my righteous stand against being tracked online, I became an Internet hipster. And like a hipster, I was pretty smug about it.

I was fighting the good fight, ready at the drop of a hat to offer my cool, insidery 2 cents. “Oh, you’re using Google Chrome? You know, Google knows everything about you now.” “You allow scripts? You’re letting Facebook know every site you’ve visited.” “Do you know how many ad networks you’re plugged into when you visit the Wall Street Journal online?” I felt that if everyone did what I was doing, the big companies would learn their lesson. They’d change, and the Internet of the mid-2000s would come back. We’d have our privacy.
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legendary
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However, don't you have a verified account in an exchange?
Nope. I have exactly one exchange account, opened under a brand new email and fake name not used for anything else.

You cannot even sell your Bitcoin for fiat without handing over your personal documents.
I spend most my of bitcoin directly with the vendor, but if I do need to change to fiat, I do so peer-to-peer without any documents or verification.

Don't you use Google products? Gmail, Google, Android?
Nope, nope, and nope.
Instead of Gmail use Protonmail, Tutanota, or Disroot. Instead of Google use Duckduckgo, Startpage, or Searx. Instead of Android use GrapheneOS, LineageOS, or Ubuntu Touch.

Facebook products? Instagram, WhatsApp...
Again, nope, nope, and nope.
There is no need to actually ever use social media.
Instead of Whatsapp use Signal.

Browsing the internet on tor is a pain in the ass, blocking cookies is even dangerous because you need to enter you password Everytime, and so on.
You don't need to use Tor, although it is obviously the gold standard. You can get a lot of the same benefits from using a good VPN and Firefox with the correct add ons and security/privacy/tracking tweaks. It's perfectly acceptable to block all cookies by default and just manually whitelist the small handful for websites which you log on to daily (such as this forum).
jr. member
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For me, This is expected. I'm used to being scared of this sometimes ago. But now, I noticed that Google gives everything for free and if personal data is leaked, I would not blame them much because we get some things for free for sharing our personal data. Most time, we find it easy to get back our personal data because of Google and can we stop using it? It will be hard. Also, if anyones  personal Data is leaked. He can stop using Google if he likes.
I personally prefer Google for now.
legendary
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I mostly agree with you. He made his mistakes.

However, don't you have a verified account in an exchange? You cannot even sell your Bitcoin for fiat without handing over your personal documents. You can't live without doing some kyc from time to time (in real life and virtual life)

Don't you use Google products? Gmail, Google, Android?
Facebook products? Instagram, WhatsApp...

We are surrounded by those services, and we can't avoid them. Browsing the internet on tor is a pain in the ass, blocking cookies is even dangerous because you need to enter you password Everytime, and so on.

His mistake wasn't that he used any of those services, he had weak real-world privacy - the person who called SWAT on him managed to easily find his living place from his full name. You can be a public person and still have privacy, like celebrities or famous entrepreneurs do, and that's what Lopp has fixed - now it's harder to find his house or track his movements.

As for KYC and Google, Facebook, etc., you don't have to give your real name, just use a made up one. If you absolutely have to do KYC, do it with an account that is tied to an email that isn't used anywhere - even if KYC data will leak, it would be hard to connect it with your existing accounts.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science

That's not just the cost of privacy, it's the cost of vanishing and fixing your mistakes. If you make sure that your personal info doesn't touch the Internet - no KYC, no personal photos, no real names, etc., then the cost of privacy is much lower.

I mostly agree with you. He made his mistakes.

However, don't you have a verified account in an exchange? You cannot even sell your Bitcoin for fiat without handing over your personal documents. You can't live without doing some kyc from time to time (in real life and virtual life)

Don't you use Google products? Gmail, Google, Android?
Facebook products? Instagram, WhatsApp...

We are surrounded by those services, and we can't avoid them. Browsing the internet on tor is a pain in the ass, blocking cookies is even dangerous because you need to enter you password Everytime, and so on.
legendary
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Which is why they implemented the incognito browser for the user which care about their privacy.
No. Just no.

Incognito mode does absolutely nothing to protect your privacy. The only thing it stops is your history and cookies being stored on your local machine, which only protects you from other people who use the same computer as you do. It does nothing to stop websites tracking you, it does nothing to stop Chrome gathering all your data, it does nothing to stop your government/ISP/WiFi provider from spying on you, it does nothing to hide your IP, it does nothing to protect your privacy.

Chrome with incognito mode enabled is still Chrome. Google know every site you visit whether or not you are in incognito mode.
hero member
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Use Firefox or Brave Browser or even TOR. The new 69.0 version of Firefox comes with a built-in option to block tracking cookies.
Google is making money selling your online activity to anyone willing to pay for it.
From the 3 browsers, you mentioned Firefox and TOR are the only anonymity browser cause the brave browser which offers pay ad cant be trusted either.


Honestly, the issue about Google giving their browser user personal information to advertisers don't catch me off guard because this is not the first time they were accused of this situation and they also don't hide it either which is why they implemented the incognito browser for the user which care about their privacy. Besides, they even stated it in the incognito browser page.
legendary
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A better option would be to use an entirely separate browser for Facebook/Google/Youtube, and another browser for everything else. An even better option is to not have a Facebook or Google account at all.

That's what I've been doing lately, but my ultimate goal is to flush all my accounts and start with a clean slate, so that I can break all the links that these companies were building. But for that I need to also change my ip with a VPN, and maybe even change devices, so it's something that I can't do easily right now.


I read an article by  Jameson Loop where claims that his privacy set up costs him 30k USD and more 15k USD per year.
This includes renting a fake house (to receive goods bought on the internet for example), buying pre paid credit cards, vpn, hardware, and tons of other stuff


That's not just the cost of privacy, it's the cost of vanishing and fixing your mistakes. If you make sure that your personal info doesn't touch the Internet - no KYC, no personal photos, no real names, etc., then the cost of privacy is much lower.
legendary
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There's a turn off function or pause on google account settings
This does nothing. At most, it just stops you seeing what they are recording about you in your account settings, and stops them serving you ads based on your browsing history. They are 100% still collecting, collating, and selling your data.

It's like when users turned off the option for Google to track their location. All that happened is they could no longer see their location history. Google was still tracking every move they made. Don't worry though, they said they promised they would stop doing it. Roll Eyes
copper member
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I've noticed it myself that sometimes Youtube starts recommending videos about something that I've just read on reddit. And I use Firefox with some adblock, noscript and a few other addons.
There's a turn off function or pause on google account settings, which records all the activity on your browser while browsing (while login or not) whether its G-products or not. The rest, I don't know, its either they have control all the data (cookies) site you commonly visited.
legendary
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Ofc this guy is a really extreme situation, but it is really a shame that we have come to this situation, where protecting our privacy has that high cost.
Lopp made himself a target, which is why it cost him so much to disappear again. If you plaster your real name, face, location, daily activities, habits and so forth across Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook, then it's going to take a significant amount of time, effort and money to undo that. Similarly, if you send selfies of yourself holding your passport or driver's license to various unknown strangers running scam ICOs or shady exchanges, then you might never be able to undo the damage you have done to yourself.

If, however, you don't use any Google products, Microsoft products, any social media, always use a VPN +/- Tor, use a properly configured and secure browser, don't willingly post details about yourself all over the internet, etc., then that goes a long way to protecting your privacy in the first place. Linux + Firefox with essential add ons + ProtonVPN + Tor can all be set up and used for free. There are privacy respecting sites and software alternatives to everything you regularly use, and almost always for free. Check out the following resources:
https://www.privacytools.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/wiki/de-google

Now obviously, if you are a person of interest to a three letter agency and they want to track you down, they above measures are unlikely to stop them. But they do stop Google/Microsoft/Facebook/your ISP spying on you and building a profile on you, and they do stop the kind of blanket surveillance that is becoming common around the world.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
Privacy has become a very expensive commodity, at a time when everyone is collecting all the possible information about every internet user. Some do it for profit only, but it should not be forgotten that all security agencies are spying internet users in ways that are largely unknown to us today.

I read an article by  Jameson Loop where claims that his privacy set up costs him 30k USD and more 15k USD per year.
This includes renting a fake house (to receive goods bought on the internet for example), buying pre paid credit cards, vpn, hardware, and tons of other stuff


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https://blog.lopp.net/modest-privacy-protection-proposal/Pricing people out of privacy

Before we begin, I want to be clear that many of the techniques come at a cost. I had to fill out hundreds of pages of paperwork, spend around $30,000 in legal/banking/service fees, and endure a four-month process in order to achieve my goals. I estimate annual recurring costs of over $15,000 for my extreme setup.


Ofc this guy is a really extreme situation, but it is really a shame that we have come to this situation, where protecting our privacy has that high cost.
legendary
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Privacy has become a very expensive commodity, at a time when everyone is collecting all the possible information about every internet user. Some do it for profit only, but it should not be forgotten that all security agencies are spying internet users in ways that are largely unknown to us today.

Browsers are something that everyone uses, and therefore it is no surprise that a large company as Google have Chrome as one of their money machines. Using Chrome, YouTube or Gmail is free, but all users pays with their data, this is totally clear.

The best alternative is to use Linux as OS, and some browser such Firefox, but even then it is not 100% that someone is not spying you. It is not only about software or OS, but also about hardware we use, and this is not something what the average user can easily discover.
legendary
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Proton mail has an auto log out feature that cannot be turned off.so after a few minutes of inactivity or if you close the tab, you are automatically logged off.
Ahh, I didn't know that. Well at the very least, each container could open to a log in page with the credentials for that particular container already filled in, so it would only be one additional click (on the login button) to switch accounts.

Why not use their free tier then? In terms of privacy it's just as good as their paid plans.
I think the point he is making is that most users will use their free tier, and only a handful will pay for their premium service, which doesn't give them much revenue to continue to operate or work on new developments or improvements.

Google still can track you if you log in into their accounts, like Gmail or Youtube, and they and other companies like Facebook or Reddit can share some data about their users with each other. I've noticed it myself that sometimes Youtube starts recommending videos about something that I've just read on reddit. And I use Firefox with some adblock, noscript and a few other addons.
If you log in to a Google account, Facebook account, etc., then they are tracking everything you do online regardless of what browser you are using. You should consider at the very least using container tabs to isolate various sites - one tab for social media, one tab for all your google accounts, one tab for crypto, etc. A better option would be to use an entirely separate browser for Facebook/Google/Youtube, and another browser for everything else. An even better option is to not have a Facebook or Google account at all.
legendary
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The only problem is that their service is expensive. Very expensive.


Why not use their free tier then? In terms of privacy it's just as good as their paid plans.

Use Firefox or Brave Browser or even TOR. The new 69.0 version of Firefox comes with a built-in option to block tracking cookies.
Google is making money selling your online activity to anyone willing to pay for it.

Google still can track you if you log in into their accounts, like Gmail or Youtube, and they and other companies like Facebook or Reddit can share some data about their users with each other. I've noticed it myself that sometimes Youtube starts recommending videos about something that I've just read on reddit. And I use Firefox with some adblock, noscript and a few other addons.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
Then how do they make money without violate user's privacy (such as scan user's email, sell user's data and use advertising-model)?

There is a problem with online advertisement, which I do not pretend to solve in this post,but charging fees for an email service or surviving through donations are not the answer.

I looked again the rates of proton mail, and I believe they are reasonable, it's not expensive. 48 eur per year... It is not insignificant, but I can pay for that.
However, how many users are willing to pay? Probably people are supporting them for ideology, but for how long can they survive?

Maybe proton mail could add some advertisement without reading our emails. Maybe we could answer a few questions and get some discount at the fees, to receive a more customizable advertisement experience?

I don't know, but reading people's emails is not interesting and charging the user is also problematic.

BAT has a proposal to solve that problem of online advertisement, where you earn tokens while watching ads, and them you could donate those tokens to services you like. It is an interesting approach to a real problem.

There is also one additional problem. We are paying to download the ads that Google /Facebook make money with. Tell also make money with our data. All of that in exchange for their service. It is a very good business to them, this will probably change in the future, I guess.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
I'm also a Protonmail user for a while now. The UI/UX in itself is fine, but the hassle comes in if you control multiple email accounts(not aliases). You'd have to manually log out and login on Protonmail to switch emails, whereas in Google and Tutanota you can easily switch between accounts. This might be a limitation due to Protonmail's better security though; but I'm not sure.

I have this problem as well.
But I believe they are trying to encourage us to buy the paid version, so we can create multiple emails in the same account..

I have many email accounts as well, and this is a problem. But maybe with the paid version this problem would not exist (I never tried the paid version so I don't know)


Why not use different browsers for different accounts? Or you could use containers (such as this add on from Mozilla: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/) to log in to all your emails simultaneously.
You could even set up multiple Firefox profiles for different accounts.
This would not work.
Proton mail has an auto log out feature that cannot be turned off.so after a few minutes of inactivity or if you close the tab, you are automatically logged off.

This is for our security so I doubt it will ever change...
hero member
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In other news.. water is wet.

Bloody good investigation by Johnny Ryan though. Not only did he fire shots at Google, along with it, it's also a great low-key promotion for Brave browser.

If anyone's interested more on the accusation, I grabbed a screenshot from the cover of Financial Times.

We have been all warned that Google Chrome browser and G-products are risky, because there is assumption that Google has shady intention to sell their users' data to companies that pay acceptable price. Whatever it is FUD or real discovery, it is important to look at it as another higher-leveled warning on risks of G-products, including Google Chrome. Two years ago, I watched a video on Ted channel that what we use on Internet collected and connected to give overview on who we are, what we do, which we prefer, all of them are potential risks for our privacy and security.
legendary
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Using different browsers and using containers could work, but I used to handle more than a dozen emails. And now that I'm mainly using Brave now, for the privacy features and for webdev stuff, these are not options right now.
A quick search found a Chromium add on called SessionBox, which seems to do the same thing as container tabs in Firefox. I can't vouch for it personally as I've never used it, but might fulfil your needs.

Certainly on Firefox, a dozen accounts is no problem. Each container profile you set up will have its own sessions, own saved username and passwords, own cookies, and so forth. Once set up, changing accounts could be done in 2 clicks - right click on Protonmail bookmark, and choose which container (and therefore which already logged in account) to load.
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legendary
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Using different browsers and using containers could work, but I used to handle more than a dozen emails. And now that I'm mainly using Brave now, for the privacy features and for webdev stuff, these are not options right now. The easiest and the best(in my opinion at least) is still Gmail's and Tutanota's email switcher. It's just far more handy and convenient.
legendary
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There are recently a lot of incidents where large companies, like Google and Facebook are being challenged for exploiting people's online data. (The latest one, was underage kids data that was used by Facebook) https://www.unionleader.com/news/business/google-to-pay-million-to-settle-charges-it-violated-kids/article_9ade55be-59b0-5335-a4ca-fc8d480607f4.html and also https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/09/04/youtube-reportedly-to-be-fined-up-to-200m-over-coppa-investigation/

I hope people will appreciate what Johnny Ryan from the Brave Browser did by testing out their browser as a viable alternative. We need a lot more competition against the giants of this industry.  Wink
hero member
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This is common sense to me, every big company is selling their user data.  Don't ever assume that what you do on the internet with any company will ever be private.  And even if you delete things like your facebook profile, you better believe that is still permanently stored on their database.
legendary
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We were just talking about alternative, privacy respecting search engines in another thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52370654. If you don't like DDG, then try checking out startpage.com and Searx.me. Startpage is simple to just visit and go. Searx offers a lot of customization options, including the possibility to set it up to just search Google on your behalf, if you want.

The UI/UX in itself is fine, but the hassle comes in if you control multiple email accounts(not aliases).
Why not use different browsers for different accounts? Or you could use containers (such as this add on from Mozilla: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/) to log in to all your emails simultaneously.
You could even set up multiple Firefox profiles for different accounts.
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legendary
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It's all down to money. Google and Facebook look slick because they can afford to spend on development after making billions selling data. Privacy respecting companies have cut off their most lucrative income stream, and largely survive on donations or the few users who buy their premium services.
Pretty much, and it's really unfortunate. It won't be impossible for these privacy-respecting service to beat Google, but it will surely be very difficult.

I don't agree with this on proton mail.
I am a proton mail user for years, and their service is better than Google mail. Gmail ads are becoming annoying to me, also
I'm also a Protonmail user for a while now. The UI/UX in itself is fine, but the hassle comes in if you control multiple email accounts(not aliases). You'd have to manually log out and login on Protonmail to switch emails, whereas in Google and Tutanota you can easily switch between accounts. This might be a limitation due to Protonmail's better security though; but I'm not sure.
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
I just wish that DuckDuckGo and Gmail alternatives like Protonmail and Tutanota would step their game up. Gmail is still miles ahead of the privacy-focused email clients in terms of UI and UX.

I don't agree with this on proton mail.
I am a proton mail user for years, and their service is better than Google mail. Gmail ads are becoming annoying to me, also

They are now going to launch their calendar. When that calendar is done, and if it is good and easy to use (with some automatic update like trips ) there will be no reason to keep using gmail., Imo.

The only problem is that their service is expensive. Very expensive.

Additionally, their UI is amazing, their Android app is nice and clean.

Proton mail also allows you to use an email like [email protected] for free, which is very cool.

About duckduckgo, unfortunately, it is a shitty search engine. Can't find anything there.
Maybe some customization is necessary in a search engine, such as location based results... I don't know why, but ddg is useless to me.

legendary
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This story should really come as no surprise to anyone who has been paying the least bit of attention at any point in the last 10 years.

You are a product. User data is one of the most valuable resources in today's world. Google isn't a search engine or an email provider. Facebook isn't a social network. These companies are data harvesters and sellers. The services you use are just the front they use to harvester your data. You are their product, not their customer. Their customers are the tech giants, ad companies, governments, three letter agencies, etc., who are buying your data.

I just wish that DuckDuckGo and Gmail alternatives like Protonmail and Tutanota would step their game up. Gmail is still miles ahead of the privacy-focused email clients in terms of UI and UX.
It's all down to money. Google and Facebook look slick because they can afford to spend on development after making billions selling data. Privacy respecting companies have cut off their most lucrative income stream, and largely survive on donations or the few users who buy their premium services.
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legendary
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Should we expect a senate inquiry similar to what happened with Facebook? Google and die hard supporters will try to shrug this off but I hope this really blows up.

While Google already had one senate hearing last year[1], I sure damn hope that they get questioned and pressured a lot more. The privacy issues with Facebook and Google needs a lot more publicity. I just wish that DuckDuckGo and Gmail alternatives like Protonmail and Tutanota would step their game up. Gmail is still miles ahead of the privacy-focused email clients in terms of UI and UX.


[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nSHiHO6QJI
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Should we expect a senate inquiry similar to what happened with Facebook? Google and die hard supporters will try to shrug this off but I hope this really blows up.
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In other news.. water is wet.

Bloody good investigation by Johnny Ryan though. Not only did he fire shots at Google, along with it, it's also a great low-key promotion for Brave browser.

If anyone's interested more on the accusation, I grabbed a screenshot from the cover of Financial Times.

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Use Firefox or Brave Browser or even TOR. The new 69.0 version of Firefox comes with a built-in option to block tracking cookies.
Google is making money selling your online activity to anyone willing to pay for it.
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We all knows that google is a company run with the funds collected from these kind of things because they are giving everything for us free and getting our personal data as the cost for it.We may change the browser but still many people going to use google as their search engine so I don't think for the normal human to stay away from using google products anymore.
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https://twitter.com/johnnyryan/status/1169341785241530369

Johnny Ryan the Chief policy officer of Brave Browser, and he accuses Google of:

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Mr Ryan found that Google had labelled him with an identifying tracker that it fed to third-party companies that logged on to a hidden web page. The page showed no content but had a unique address that linked it to Mr Ryan’s browsing activity.

Using the tracker from Google, which is based on the user’s location and time of browsing, companies could match their profiles of Mr Ryan and his web-browsing behaviour with profiles from other companies, to target him with ads.

Mr Ryan found six separate pages pushing out his identifier after a single hour of looking at websites on Google’s Chrome browser. The identifier contained the phrase “google_push” and was sent to at least eight adtech companies.

“This practice is hidden in two ways: the most basic way is that Google creates a page that the user never sees, it’s blank, has no content, but allows ... third parties to snoop on the user and the user is none the wiser,” said Mr Ryan. “I had no idea this was happening. If I consulted my browser log, I wouldn’t have had an idea either.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/google-accused-of-secretly-feeding-personal-data-to-advertisers-1.4007629

I'm pretty sure that we all suspected Google of doing this for many years, but this could be one of the first that a solid evidence is going to be presented to authorities. If we could somewhat stay away from the Big G then I suggest we do find ways to stop using it in my opinion.
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