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December 13, 2024, 06:01:01 AM
#37
I know the feeling, but what I do is try to block those kind of message and report it as a spam.

Read some stories from the internet about this Binance scam attempt, and unfortunately, there are still people who feel for it. One victim says that the scammer really sounded professional with a British accent and probably that's one reason why man fall for this kind of trick.
I'm not sure how you would do that because I'd have to block the sender "Binance" in general, which means that I won't be able to receive SMS from Binance itself. That's how it is with Google Messages, at least. As I had mentioned a while ago, I had tried calling them through a Wi-Fi call application; the person who answered spoke quite decent English and with an accent as well. Perhaps if I had tried to engage with them, their accent wouldn't have sounded as good as it did when he picked up the phone at first, so I understand any possible frustration someone who was completely unaware he was being scammed. The Indian or Nigerian accent makes it too obvious that you're being scammed.
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December 12, 2024, 04:28:15 PM
#36
They seem to have bumped up their game; I just received a new SMS that claims that someone is attempting to disable the 2FA, so they've sent me the "required" verification code to proceed. They've also attached a reference for "my case." The phone number keeps changing; it's a different one on every single SMS. My phone number is probably out there in a list of theirs, and they simply keep spamming the numbers on the list, hoping to find a potential victim. It's getting rather annoying.

I know the feeling, but what I do is try to block those kind of message and report it as a spam.



Read some stories from the internet about this Binance scam attempt, and unfortunately, there are still people who feel for it. One victim says that the scammer really sounded professional with a British accent and probably that's one reason why man fall for this kind of trick.
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December 12, 2024, 05:19:18 AM
#35
They seem to have bumped up their game; I just received a new SMS that claims that someone is attempting to disable the 2FA, so they've sent me the "required" verification code to proceed. They've also attached a reference for "my case." The phone number keeps changing; it's a different one on every single SMS. My phone number is probably out there in a list of theirs, and they simply keep spamming the numbers on the list, hoping to find a potential victim. It's getting rather annoying.
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December 08, 2024, 03:35:36 AM
#34
It's infuriating because it has become an almost daily occurrence; I'll receive at least two or three per week, while I've also started receiving irrelevant calls from Albania or even India, the latter through WhatsApp.
So things are escalating. Probably the only long term solution (if it continues like that) is to change the mobile phone number, but that's a major pain in the ass nowadays.


I believe my mobile number was leaked from a local website which not related to cryptocurrency, but how they actually know I am a crypto currency user who might have some crypto.
Chances are that they actually don't know that you are in crypto and they are just sending these calls/SMS en masse, hoping that some of them will be received by people like us who are into crypto.

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December 08, 2024, 12:15:11 AM
#33
Now that you mentioned WhatsApp, I received a call from India yesterday, when I was sleeping, didn't even see what number it was, only that it was from India. I declined the call and blocked the number and when back to sleep. My log shows no history, perhaps because I blocked them, but these scammers are getting out of hand, and even waking me up now. Not only that, but I'm still being spammed with fake Binance SMS messages, receiving one that I supposedly logged in from Bucharest again.
The support center scam is not new, and I believe India and Nigeria share the head office of Call center scams. But I always wonder how they actually target the people so accurately. I believe my mobile number was leaked from a local website which not related to cryptocurrency, but how they actually know I am a crypto currency user who might have some crypto.

Moreover, how do they know I might be interested in Fiverr? I feel like most local websites are selling their user's information to the black market. Or else, the database of these websites was leaked somehow.
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December 07, 2024, 06:39:31 AM
#32
I really wish that everybody can see through cheap scams like this, i think the scammer is trying to scare you here, with the thought that someone is trying to gain access to your account, hence the fake authentication code, thus once you call them, they send you a phishing link or some other stuff to steal from you. Very easy for you to spot, but to imagine that these scammers are still in business means that they are still "lucky" to get victims every now and then, sad.
It's infuriating because it has become an almost daily occurrence; I'll receive at least two or three per week, while I've also started receiving irrelevant calls from Albania or even India, the latter through WhatsApp. I'm not sure if they're correlated, I always received a few suspicious calls every now and then, but it seems that they have become more frequent now. I'm not sure if I read it here or on Reddit, but it's Google's SMS app that is enabling these scammers to perform under any name because it automatically sorts everything with the name they've selected rather than the phone number itself. Can't authorities track down those phone numbers?
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December 07, 2024, 06:12:52 AM
#31
They keep multiple approaches in an attempt to lure more victims into their phishing scam. Today, I received a fake authentication code, the six digit number you're required as 2FA to login. If tou haven't requested it, then the same old scam with their Greek looking phone number.
I really wish that everybody can see through cheap scams like this, i think the scammer is trying to scare you here, with the thought that someone is trying to gain access to your account, hence the fake authentication code, thus once you call them, they send you a phishing link or some other stuff to steal from you. Very easy for you to spot, but to imagine that these scammers are still in business means that they are still "lucky" to get victims every now and then, sad.
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December 07, 2024, 01:47:06 AM
#30
It is good to know that you understand that it was just a scam attempt. Ordinary people may fall for it. I haven't received such an SMS from anyone on my mobile. But I have received Whatsapp messages from Nigerian scammers who sent private job offers. The recent one was from someone who pretended to be a support from Fiverr. I wonder where they get phone numbers?

I used my phone numbers on local hosting websites when I bought hosting from them. Since then, I have started receiving SMS via WhatsApp. So, I feel like that hosting provider sold user information to some scammers.
Now that you mentioned WhatsApp, I received a call from India yesterday, when I was sleeping, didn't even see what number it was, only that it was from India. I declined the call and blocked the number and when back to sleep. My log shows no history, perhaps because I blocked them, but these scammers are getting out of hand, and even waking me up now. Not only that, but I'm still being spammed with fake Binance SMS messages, receiving one that I supposedly logged in from Bucharest again.
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December 03, 2024, 11:33:43 PM
#29
Unfortunately, it's that easy. However, up until now, I hadn't received an SMS message that appeared to actually be sent from the platform itself, so it's quite new to me, even though it screams scam from miles away.

It is good to know that you understand that it was just a scam attempt. Ordinary people may fall for it. I haven't received such an SMS from anyone on my mobile. But I have received Whatsapp messages from Nigerian scammers who sent private job offers. The recent one was from someone who pretended to be a support from Fiverr. I wonder where they get phone numbers?

I used my phone numbers on local hosting websites when I bought hosting from them. Since then, I have started receiving SMS via WhatsApp. So, I feel like that hosting provider sold user information to some scammers.
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December 03, 2024, 02:17:01 PM
#28
Nope, I also received a phone call from a Greek mobile number with an automated message supposedly from PayPal. I'm not sure if they're related in any way, but it's getting annoying. I also have a PayPal account, but the call could have been a random scam attempt, a product of mass calls, similar to SMS ones another user previously mentioned.
Yeah I think they are just fishing and they assume that if you have Binance, you could have Paypal as well.

I think I jinxed myself with the previous post as few hours ago I received two more SMS messages, this time about that Ledger API thing being connected with Binance. Its annoying AF.  Tongue
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December 03, 2024, 07:00:42 AM
#27
So far I only received that one message and I hope it stays like that, and like you I also wonder from where they got my number but since binance is the only crypto related platform wjhere I shared my number, chances are its from their data breach. And nowadays its not so easy to change number as bunch of stuff are connected to it.
Nope, I also received a phone call from a Greek mobile number with an automated message supposedly from PayPal. I'm not sure if they're related in any way, but it's getting annoying. I also have a PayPal account, but the call could have been a random scam attempt, a product of mass calls, similar to SMS ones another user previously mentioned.

You can actually buy these services online. In my country, I can buy around 300 Bulk SMS just by spending $5, and I can use whatever name or number I want as a sender. The service was too cheap. I did not check the current rate. Hosting providers and other businesses usually use these services to send SMS to their clients. But showed an example of a scam attempt. I guess these things happen in my country as well. There was a website named afreesms.com and I used to use it back in 2015 to troll my friends. I could use any number as a sender but they changed it a year later. Their service was totally free, and I used them.
Unfortunately, it's that easy. However, up until now, I hadn't received an SMS message that appeared to actually be sent from the platform itself, so it's quite new to me, even though it screams scam from miles away.
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December 03, 2024, 06:51:12 AM
#26
They keep multiple approaches in an attempt to lure more victims into their phishing scam. Today, I received a fake authentication code, the six digit number you're required as 2FA to login. If tou haven't requested it, then the same old scam with their Greek looking phone number.
Damn, so they are not giving up with this crap.

So far I only received that one message and I hope it stays like that, and like you I also wonder from where they got my number but since binance is the only crypto related platform wjhere I shared my number, chances are its from their data breach. And nowadays its not so easy to change number as bunch of stuff are connected to it.
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December 03, 2024, 12:42:55 AM
#25
I believe this is with spoofing, right? Claiming someone and making it seem like it's from a legitimate source is tricky, especially for those who are not yet aware that it's possible. I'm not sure technically how they do it, but it has happened to me as well. I have received messages from the likes of Google, TikTok, and Facebook.

If we are ever to prevent people from being scammed, it's going to be more of an intuition-based thing, and I do hope that people realize that it is a scam before anything else.
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December 03, 2024, 12:38:10 AM
#24
A quick Google search showed other reports of it being a scam, however, I'm now curious, how do they spoof the sender's number to actually show up as Binance, is this a global scam or has it only appeared in Greece? Most importantly, how did they get my number? Did they know I have a Binance account or was it completely random? Perhaps this has something to do with a suspected data breach that I had also posted about a few months ago?

You can actually buy these services online. In my country, I can buy around 300 Bulk SMS just by spending $5, and I can use whatever name or number I want as a sender. The service was too cheap. I did not check the current rate. Hosting providers and other businesses usually use these services to send SMS to their clients. But showed an example of a scam attempt. I guess these things happen in my country as well. There was a website named afreesms.com and I used to use it back in 2015 to troll my friends. I could use any number as a sender but they changed it a year later. Their service was totally free, and I used them.
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December 02, 2024, 06:49:16 PM
#23
They keep multiple approaches in an attempt to lure more victims into their phishing scam. Today, I received a fake authentication code, the six digit number you're required as 2FA to login. If tou haven't requested it, then the same old scam with their Greek looking phone number.

Be cautious and double check everything you receive.
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November 30, 2024, 05:50:11 AM
#22
We all know that Binance wouldn't request you to give them a call, at least not without any prior notice
Yep, that request for a call is a clear telltale sign that it is a scam as I don't think that anyone I know and that has Binance account ever communicated with them that way.

If I were a scammer, I would rather send a link to a fake Binance site with fake customer support. I think that would have a higher chance of succeeding
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November 30, 2024, 05:15:24 AM
#21
Seems like scammers are still trying as earlier today I got the message that says "You logged in from a new device in Bucharest (Romania) and if it wasn't you, call us immediatelyl at xyz etc".  Tongue

I can imagine bunch of people actually falling for it as it looks like Binance actually sent you a message.
I haven't received another SMS since the last one, but it seems they're trying a different approach, one that is more catchy and concerning. We all know that Binance wouldn't request you to give them a call, at least not without any prior notice, and you'd also receive an email if it was an actual scenario, which makes me wonder how many people they've actually fooled. I was intrigued to call them, and even though it appears to be a Greek number, I highly doubt that the call is actually from Greece. I wouldn't want to end up with a huge phone bill by the end of the month. I did call them through an app, but the time I had available was limited to a minute.
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November 29, 2024, 10:53:47 AM
#20
Binance has issued an official announcement regarding the phishing SMS messages shortly after I received the second SMS. It seems that things have calmed down for the time being.
Seems like scammers are still trying as earlier today I got the message that says "You logged in from a new device in Bucharest (Romania) and if it wasn't you, call us immediatelyl at xyz etc".  Tongue

I can imagine bunch of people actually falling for it as it looks like Binance actually sent you a message.
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November 28, 2024, 03:07:17 AM
#19
It’s frustrating how these incidents can undermine trust in platforms. Staying cautious and reporting suspicious messages and websites is a proactive way to protect the broader community.

You’re handling this well, stay safe, and thanks for raising awareness!
It's astonishing that you had to use AI just to write a two liner post. Did you really need to use it, couldn't you come up with something to say yourself?
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November 27, 2024, 06:14:49 PM
#18
I think you need to change your number to a new one, as this second message containing a scam indicates that your number has been targeted by scammers. It is good that the message was marked as spam, as the site is indeed a phishing site that was created 11 months ago. I think they will not stop sending you such phishing messages, so you need to secure all your accounts linked to this number with additional security methods.

I will now file a report to the fraudulent domain registrar so that it can be completely restricted, as it poses a threat to users who received the same message and might think they are dealing with a legitimate site. As for these numbers, try to ignore even contacting them and putting them on the blacklist; you don't know how their tricks might be used to persuade you.
That would be ideal but it's not as easy as it sounds. I'll have to go through the hassle of informing all usual contacts that I've changed numbers and most importantly, update my number with proof of ownership on any government related services and bank accounts. It's a real hassle I wouldn't go through the trouble.

Binance has issued an official announcement regarding the phishing SMS messages shortly after I received the second SMS. It seems that things have calmed down for the time being.
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November 27, 2024, 05:34:45 PM
#17
I just received another SMS which was quickly considered spam from the Google messages app, along with a link to this scam website
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ledgeractivate.com

or this phone number.

2111987675

I called, an English speaking person picked up, of course, the call wasn't from Greece, sounded like he was trying too hard to sound native English though.

Edit: Now that I'm looking at the website, the landing page is an exact copy of the actual Ledger website.
I think you need to change your number to a new one, as this second message containing a scam indicates that your number has been targeted by scammers. It is good that the message was marked as spam, as the site is indeed a phishing site that was created 11 months ago. I think they will not stop sending you such phishing messages, so you need to secure all your accounts linked to this number with additional security methods.

I will now file a report to the fraudulent domain registrar so that it can be completely restricted, as it poses a threat to users who received the same message and might think they are dealing with a legitimate site. As for these numbers, try to ignore even contacting them and putting them on the blacklist; you don't know how their tricks might be used to persuade you.
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November 23, 2024, 08:50:51 PM
#16
Binance doesn't contact you like that I think, I've seen how they contact you and the SMS doesn't have a name on it so I don't think that Binance is really contacting you personally, this is already a red flag, when you can see who's texting you, most of the time, companies don't do that because they want it to be a one way communication. It's not a new scam, the only new thing here is the entity that they're impersonating.
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November 23, 2024, 06:07:55 PM
#15
lt is obviously data breach and it had happen from the date you shared virtually or it is from any person who knows hacking and know your number. I think if you contacted with the person then the person may convince you to follow the person and as a result you might have lost your balance. But I could not understand if you didn't contact with the number then how they could scam you.
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November 17, 2024, 08:58:54 AM
#14
I just received another SMS which was quickly considered spam from the Google messages app, along with a link to this scam website
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ledgeractivate.com

or this phone number.

2111987675

I called, an English speaking person picked up, of course, the call wasn't from Greece, sounded like he was trying too hard to sound native English though.

Edit: Now that I'm looking at the website, the landing page is an exact copy of the actual Ledger website.
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November 17, 2024, 08:06:40 AM
#13
I'm talking about this.

Perhaps it's irrelevant, but it's a little frustrating. Yes, this is the main number I use when signing up on any platform that requests it, so it's possible the data breach is stemming from somewhere else, except Binance.
Oh, yeah. It looks like it came from that incident, i checked google and it seems like its legit. Well, now talking about mobile number, if this number is just for crypto transactions and registrations, and not for personal use, then it's good.
You should have other mobile #s for personal use just like mine when my mobile number used was linked to my ledger ecommerce profile then it was hacked few years back, i received lots of spam calls from that too, i answered once accidentally they know my name and asked me something about crypto, that time i knew where it came. So i get different # for personal then use the old one for crypto txs and
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November 17, 2024, 05:08:20 AM
#12
Data breach in Binance? Might probably on their previous breach from few years ago, im not so sure. Did you use this mobile number from different platforms too?
I'm talking about this.

Perhaps it's irrelevant, but it's a little frustrating. Yes, this is the main number I use when signing up on any platform that requests it, so it's possible the data breach is stemming from somewhere else, except Binance.

I tried calling the number, it automatically answers and hangs up. I was in the mood of messing around with them but seems unlikely.
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November 16, 2024, 06:17:24 PM
#11
I'm now curious, how do they spoof the sender's number to actually show up as Binance,
It is technically possible so no need to curious about it, what you need to curious about is how they get your number and why they knew that you used Binance.

Is this a global scam or has it only appeared in Greece?
Probably it's global, the attackers just like seems from Greece.

Perhaps this has something to do with a suspected data breach that I had also posted about a few months ago?
Data breach in Binance? Might probably on their previous breach from few years ago, im not so sure. Did you use this mobile number from different platforms too?
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November 16, 2024, 06:00:39 PM
#10
I think that they are purchasing tools to SMS spoof and they're not that expensive at all. This might be the new trend for scammers and looks effective on their end that the victims will easily believe that they're from Binance or any other genuine service that the victim has been using.

Should I troll them? I don't think there's any risk if I simply give them a call
If you want to have fun and you have a lot of spare time, you can do it. But don't waste your time with these and ignore them, because even if you report them to binance there are for sure reports of it already and it should be them to take down those tools and track wherever they've got that SMS spoof that copies their name. IMHO, they should contact all of those services and should be outright used only for them or not allow any other customers to use that name for spoofing. I feel bad that there are for sure likely victims who have been baited by that scam.
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November 16, 2024, 03:23:28 PM
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To be honest, I'm quite intrigued to call the number, perhaps from a different phone or using an unknown number. I'm curious, is it actually based in Greece, what are they going to ask for? Should I troll them? I don't think there's any risk if I simply give them a call, could they possibly charge me?

Could they possibly charge you? Well, I don't think so. Your phone provider will, though. As you make a phone call. At glance, it's not a premium number, so the call rate will be quite flat.

There is this youtuber who gather viewers with this, prank-calling a scammer and get them to their boiling point. IIRC, at one session, he even worked with one crypto wallet provider to catch the bad guy.

All things considered, if I were you, I think it's too much headache for me. Yes, it'll bring me closer to the bottom of the case, but I imagine their replies when you call them [if they ever picked that up] will be evasive, rude and ambiguous before they finally hang up.
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November 16, 2024, 03:17:36 PM
#8
To be honest, I'm quite intrigued to call the number, perhaps from a different phone or using an unknown number. I'm curious, is it actually based in Greece, what are they going to ask for? Should I troll them? I don't think there's any risk if I simply give them a call, could they possibly charge me?

If you do go through with this plan don’t forget to update us on their response - and make sure you use a phone number that you haven’t used for any crypto related stuff that way you won’t be risking too much.

But if you don’t have phone number like that you can just choose to ignore.

Edit:

I also searched the number and this came out as one of the results.



And if you keep looking you’ll see that the other results are also related to this company, so I’m guessing that number might not even give you any results if you call them.
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November 16, 2024, 02:05:01 PM
#7
I think this is a case of data breach.

I just did a search and I came across a post on Reddit with this exact message - so I don’t think it was random, they probably got the information of some Binance users and then spam them this message.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/1gmlq7p/ledger_scam/?rdt=51360 Just go through the thread and you’ll come across some important info about this scam.
Good catch, thanks. I didn't think of googling it do to it being a Greek number; thought it was a "local" scam.
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It's annoyingly frustrating how easy it is to spoof a number or the sender's ID.
I think you understand the narrative a bit wrongly. the "breach" itself is not happened yet, or at all. OP's account are not hacked, no one tried to gain access to his account and got thwarted by 2FA.

Rather, the scammer sent him a message, that's shown as from binance, saying that there is an attempt into his account which would prompt him to secure it by calling the number. The hack itself will very much likely to happen when and if the OP reached to that number.
To be honest, I'm quite intrigued to call the number, perhaps from a different phone or using an unknown number. I'm curious, is it actually based in Greece, what are they going to ask for? Should I troll them? I don't think there's any risk if I simply give them a call, could they possibly charge me?
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November 16, 2024, 01:21:35 PM
#6
This scams are getting very highly and extremely sophisticated. It is very easy for someone who is not meticulous to fall victim. I strongly believe that these scammers buys the contacts of people who use exchanges from a third party and they know how to socially engineer it to look the support staff of the exchange. As far as I know no exchange will send a message to their customer first. It is always the other way around. Don't be surprised that even the Greek number doesn't mean it is originating in Greece. They could have masked the number to that location.
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November 16, 2024, 12:43:19 PM
#5

Looks like from Binance especially when you see the previous messages from Binance.
You'd likely believe it's from them however if you are not the one who connected a ledger wallet then definitely an impostor. Thats a very sophisticated hack.

If it's indeed a breach, it will help if you change your binance email and login details before something happens to the funds in your account. Maybe reporting it to binance will help them also secure your account.

I think you understand the narrative a bit wrongly. the "breach" itself is not happened yet, or at all. OP's account are not hacked, no one tried to gain access to his account and got thwarted by 2FA.

Rather, the scammer sent him a message, that's shown as from binance, saying that there is an attempt into his account which would prompt him to secure it by calling the number. The hack itself will very much likely to happen when and if the OP reached to that number.
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November 16, 2024, 12:35:55 PM
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Most importantly, how did they get my number? Did they know I have a Binance account or was it completely random? Perhaps this has something to do with a suspected data breach that I had also posted about a few months ago?
It's very easy for them to send you a message, and it will appear that it was sent by Binance or whichever name they want to appear as the sender.
 
First, what they need is to know the exact way Binance's name appears on the receiver's phone whenever they send out a message. They will use one of these providers that deal in bulk SMS, which you can be allowed to customize your message and send across to various contacts at once. 
 
In my country we use
Code:
https://www.bulksmsnigeria.com/
I can recall one time when I used it to customize an employment message and sent it to my kid sis, who ran away from the house because of a minor disagreement. I customized the sender to be from one popular shopping complex, "Everyday Supermarket.".
 
The first thing to make such a success is to first get the target number, which I believe the scammers do have, and then be sure that the number is also what they use in receiving messages from the organization they tend to impersonate, and everything is simple from there. 
 
Some things are developed to make life easier for scammers, who are always looking for a way to exploit it to their own advantage; we just have to be vigilant.
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November 16, 2024, 12:35:44 PM
#3

Looks like from Binance especially when you see the previous messages from Binance.
You'd likely believe it's from them however if you are not the one who connected a ledger wallet then definitely an impostor. Thats a very sophisticated hack.

If it's indeed a breach, it will help if you change your binance email and login details before something happens to the funds in your account. Maybe reporting it to binance will help them also secure your account.
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November 16, 2024, 12:09:42 PM
#2
I think this is a case of data breach.

I just did a search and I came across a post on Reddit with this exact message - so I don’t think it was random, they probably got the information of some Binance users and then spam them this message.



https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/1gmlq7p/ledger_scam/?rdt=51360 Just go through the thread and you’ll come across some important info about this scam.
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November 16, 2024, 11:59:51 AM
#1
Hi,
Just a while ago I received a suspicious SMS message from a number supposedly from Binance. I was intrigued at first because it appeared to be Binance itself, since you can also see previous messages from the 2FA authentication when logging in. It said that a new Ledger wallet was connected to my Binance account and if this action wasn't done by me, to contact them at a Greek number.

A quick Google search showed other reports of it being a scam, however, I'm now curious, how do they spoof the sender's number to actually show up as Binance, is this a global scam or has it only appeared in Greece? Most importantly, how did they get my number? Did they know I have a Binance account or was it completely random? Perhaps this has something to do with a suspected data breach that I had also posted about a few months ago?

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