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hero member
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May 18, 2014, 01:18:51 PM
#47
It's good to know that BFL refunds fast and flawlessly if its needed.

I'm not sure how fast and flawless the refunds will be in a month if BFL still hasn't delivered. I imagine all hell will break lose.

BFL Josh has said on their forums that they have the funds on hand to refund 100% of the preorders if necessary.

How things change... interesting.
hero member
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If panic, panic first.

What if shipment is delayed to Jan 1013? Feb? March? And many, many people want refunds. Will BFL be able do this? My bet is: No. They don't have that amount of money left ...

It was delayed. Good that you got a refund. Too bad BFL stop giving refunds.



I get that you hate bfl..  I do not like them and waited beyond 13 months to be fully refunded last month.    But you dug up a 20 month old post/thread.

History isn't hate. It is relevant. When you wonder why refunds take 30 to 45 days you start to wonder what the problem is given they were happy to refund before... wonder what has changed.

20 months old? They are playing the same game they did 20 months ago. Selling product that will never be delivered to customers in a reasonable amount of time. You waited 13 months. Those who ordered monarchs in August 2013 have waited 6. See a pattern? Let us not make this about hate or emotion. Let us make this about the facts.

1. They used to give refunds no problem at all.
2. That changed.
3. Nearly 300 FTC complaints and they are still doing it.

Pointing out the pattern is important and it should hopefully make people less inclined to buy their BS.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
If panic, panic first.

What if shipment is delayed to Jan 1013? Feb? March? And many, many people want refunds. Will BFL be able do this? My bet is: No. They don't have that amount of money left ...

It was delayed. Good that you got a refund. Too bad BFL stop giving refunds.



I get that you hate bfl..  I do not like them and waited beyond 13 months to be fully refunded last month.    But you dug up a 20 month old post/thread.
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BFL Josh has said on their forums that they have the funds on hand to refund 100% of the preorders if necessary.

We heard a lot of bullcrap from Josh in the last few weeks.

BFL also said they would deliver in October. Didn't happen. So why should we trust them on this 100% refund statement?

That statement was amended greatly wasn't it?
hero member
Activity: 924
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If panic, panic first.

What if shipment is delayed to Jan 1013? Feb? March? And many, many people want refunds. Will BFL be able do this? My bet is: No. They don't have that amount of money left ...

It was delayed. Good that you got a refund. Too bad BFL stop giving refunds.
hero member
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November 17, 2012, 01:20:29 PM
#42
Bitsnpieces? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-and-public-relations-123719CptNemo? BFL_Obama or BFL_Mitt or whatever, Frizz23, and dozens more, seek help man.

Who's this? Inaba? SLok? Lab_Rat *ggg*? Cheesy
It's one of the few that aren't you.
hero member
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November 17, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
#41
Bitsnpieces? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-and-public-relations-123719CptNemo? BFL_Obama or BFL_Mitt or whatever, Frizz23, and dozens more, seek help man.

Who's this? Inaba? SLok? Lab_Rat *ggg*? Cheesy
hero member
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November 17, 2012, 11:41:38 AM
#40
All of that is provable:  You've made fake accounts, you've made bogus claims and you've made fake orders.  All documented, all proved.


Who's this? Inaba? SLok? Lab_Rat *ggg*? Why not post this with your BFL_Josh account?
Bitsnpieces? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-and-public-relations-123719CptNemo? BFL_Obama or BFL_Mitt or whatever, Frizz23, and dozens more, seek help man.
hero member
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November 17, 2012, 11:26:24 AM
#39
All of that is provable:  You've made fake accounts, you've made bogus claims and you've made fake orders.  All documented, all proved.


Who's this? Inaba? SLok? Lab_Rat *ggg*? Why not post this with your BFL_Josh account?
legendary
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November 17, 2012, 11:24:56 AM
#38
All of that is provable:  You've made fake accounts, you've made bogus claims and you've made fake orders.  All documented, all proved.
hero member
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November 17, 2012, 11:22:48 AM
#37
... fake accounts with bogus anti-bfl claims, fake orders and made up complaints and whatnot, ...

Suppositions. If you can prove them - please do so. If not - please shut up.

I on the contrary can simply prove my statement (-> BFL can't deliver in October): We now have November Wink

Why do you defend BFL so much? Do they pay you? If not, I seriously don't understand you ...
hero member
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November 17, 2012, 11:10:49 AM
#36
BFL Josh has said on their forums that they have the funds on hand to refund 100% of the preorders if necessary.

We heard a lot of bullcrap from Josh in the last few weeks.

BFL also said they would deliver in October. Didn't happen. So why should we trust them on this 100% refund statement?
So the 23 behind Frizz stands for his fake accounts with bogus anti-bfl claims, fake orders and made up complaints and whatnot, and then he points at others crying they post bullcrap. Clowns Against BFL just found their new chairman.
full member
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November 17, 2012, 05:37:12 AM
#35
(this also saves me from discussions with my wife)

Yep, not a trivial reason. Smiley

No kidding. All things must pass the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) .. Lol.


Hehe, distraction is the key. Buy her something nice!
legendary
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November 17, 2012, 04:26:00 AM
#34
BFL Josh has said on their forums that they have the funds on hand to refund 100% of the preorders if necessary.

We heard a lot of bullcrap from Josh in the last few weeks.

BFL also said they would deliver in October. Didn't happen. So why should we trust them on this 100% refund statement?

I am glad you come here to vent,you are saving your family & coworkers alot of grief  Wink
hero member
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November 17, 2012, 03:49:22 AM
#33
BFL Josh has said on their forums that they have the funds on hand to refund 100% of the preorders if necessary.

We heard a lot of bullcrap from Josh in the last few weeks.

BFL also said they would deliver in October. Didn't happen. So why should we trust them on this 100% refund statement?
full member
Activity: 163
Merit: 100
November 08, 2012, 10:51:03 PM
#32
I paid a premium to purchase a first day order off of another member.  I have the same concerns but I am pretty much stuck now.  I hope it all works out and I certainly hope they beat bASIC to the market.  Otherwise well... I guess I lost more money to bitcoins. 


Of course the wise man would put a preorder in with more than one company...

Jus' sayin'

PS: I did.
full member
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November 08, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
#31
(this also saves me from discussions with my wife)

Yep, not a trivial reason. Smiley

No kidding. All things must pass the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) .. Lol.
member
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November 08, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
#30
It's good to know that BFL refunds fast and flawlessly if its needed.

I'm not sure how fast and flawless the refunds will be in a month if BFL still hasn't delivered. I imagine all hell will break lose.

BFL Josh has said on their forums that they have the funds on hand to refund 100% of the preorders if necessary.
sr. member
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beast at work
November 06, 2012, 04:40:42 PM
#29

True that I imagine, to longer the wait - more cancellations.

i for one i`ll prefer to get my hw, still is good to hear refunds are quick
member
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November 06, 2012, 12:33:26 AM
#28
It's good to know that BFL refunds fast and flawlessly if its needed.

I'm not sure how fast and flawless the refunds will be in a month if BFL still hasn't delivered. I imagine all hell will break lose.

True that I imagine, to longer the wait - more cancellations.

Feel free to bump my order number up in line all you like. Smiley
full member
Activity: 127
Merit: 100
November 04, 2012, 09:20:52 AM
#27
It's good to know that BFL refunds fast and flawlessly if its needed.

I'm not sure how fast and flawless the refunds will be in a month if BFL still hasn't delivered. I imagine all hell will break lose.

True that I imagine, to longer the wait - more cancellations.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
November 04, 2012, 12:03:02 AM
#26
It's good to know that BFL refunds fast and flawlessly if its needed.

I'm not sure how fast and flawless the refunds will be in a month if BFL still hasn't delivered. I imagine all hell will break lose.

If there's a chance of that happening, perhaps making backups of some FB accounts may be in order, for remember all those that were deleted or set to private related to Pirate. I've already noticed some FB accounts being updated, along with some Linkedin accounts being supplemented with new data.
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
November 03, 2012, 10:36:18 PM
#25
It's good to know that BFL refunds fast and flawlessly if its needed.

I'm not sure how fast and flawless the refunds will be in a month if BFL still hasn't delivered. I imagine all hell will break lose.
full member
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November 03, 2012, 04:04:45 PM
#24
It's good to know that BFL refunds fast and flawlessly if its needed.
sr. member
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November 03, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
#23
I paid a premium to purchase a first day order off of another member.  I have the same concerns but I am pretty much stuck now.  I hope it all works out and I certainly hope they beat bASIC to the market.  Otherwise well... I guess I lost more money to bitcoins. 
member
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November 02, 2012, 08:59:56 AM
#22
I do wonder how much of the blatant FUD around here is just an attempt to keep the difficulty down by people either heavily invested in gpu or in the new asics...

Wink i think you are right
Your probably right and if so it is like they are trying to stop a wave in the ocean. 

Well that, and I've noticed some cognitive dissonance going on. "I can't afford an asic, therefore they are gonna suck, are a scam, will not profit, etc".

Sad, really.
sr. member
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November 01, 2012, 10:07:48 AM
#21
Thanks for cancelling your order......LOL. One less to delay my order.

And less difficulty :p

I do wonder how much of the blatant FUD around here is just an attempt to keep the difficulty down by people either heavily invested in gpu or in the new asics...

Wink i think you are right
Your probably right and if so it is like they are trying to stop a wave in the ocean. 
legendary
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November 01, 2012, 09:39:41 AM
#20
Thanks for cancelling your order......LOL. One less to delay my order.

And less difficulty :p

I do wonder how much of the blatant FUD around here is just an attempt to keep the difficulty down by people either heavily invested in gpu or in the new asics...

Wink i think you are right
member
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November 01, 2012, 09:34:47 AM
#19
Thanks for cancelling your order......LOL. One less to delay my order.

And less difficulty :p

I do wonder how much of the blatant FUD around here is just an attempt to keep the difficulty down by people either heavily invested in gpu or in the new asics...
hero member
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October 30, 2012, 10:17:21 PM
#18
Thanks for cancelling your order......LOL. One less to delay my order.

And less difficulty :p
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October 30, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
#17
Thanks for cancelling your order......LOL. One less to delay my order.
sr. member
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October 30, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
#16
So far, few people have been requesting refunds. That's going to change as more and more delays happen they start shipping.

FTFY.  Roll Eyes
newbie
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October 30, 2012, 02:49:20 PM
#15
I didn't want to post this publicly in the off chance it would increase refund requests, and push more FUD onto BFL.  But, since there was one post already, I figured what the heck.

I requested a refund from BFL during the first week of October and received it soon after.  I had paid BFL via paypal, so I was refunded the money via paypal, and paypal in-turn credited the original credit card that was used to pay BFL.  

My order was a pre-order of a Single -> SC upgrade.

The reason for doing so because I needed the money, so much so I am also in the process of selling a BFL single.  

I made the difficult decision to terminate the BFL SC pre-order based on the following additional logic:
  • The purchase was a day or so near the end of the 60 day paypal dispute window.  And based on what I read in the BFL FAQ "be considered non-refundable until products begin shipping or 1 January 2013, whichever is earlier.", I didn't want to risk having my refund denied and not being able to use paypal's dispute process. I took this FAQ statement very seriously.  If I requested a refund after the 60 day window, and they refused, then the funds would most likely be tied up with no chance of winning a paypal dispute.
  • If it wasn't delivered before block 210000, I felt the previously assumed ROI would be in question - estimated current block reward reduction is 3rd week of Nov
  • In recent days, the number of ASICs pre-orders (BLF + others) seemed to be growing geometrically, which I had not expected, again affecting difficulty, and thus ROI - making the delivery more of a lottery win than an investment.

Since cancelling, I have followed BFL's information faucet.  Ie, Inaba & Jody's release of bits of news, both here and on their own support forum.  The photos of PCBs with place holder chips, were interesting.  Based on my previous work with mixed signal ASICs, plus what my gut tells me, I think they are serious about getting an ASIC product out.  I would guess they are just as anxious to ship as any of the pre-order folks are to receive.  But, as they say...stuff happens.
hero member
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October 30, 2012, 02:35:54 PM
#14
If panic, panic first.

What if shipment is delayed to Jan 1013? Feb? March? And many, many people want refunds. Will BFL be able do this? My bet is: No. They don't have that amount of money left ...

Their official policy is pretty clear:

Quote
Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable.

So far, few people have been requesting refunds. That's going to change as more and more delays happen.
Well given OP's avatar we all know he's a plant Cheesy
legendary
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October 30, 2012, 02:12:33 PM
#13
If panic, panic first.

What if shipment is delayed to Jan 1013? Feb? March? And many, many people want refunds. Will BFL be able do this? My bet is: No. They don't have that amount of money left ...

Their official policy is pretty clear:

Quote
Payments made for pre-orders of ASIC based products now under development should be considered non-refundable.

So far, few people have been requesting refunds. That's going to change as more and more delays happen.
member
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October 30, 2012, 02:12:01 PM
#12
I don't want a refund, I just want my shiny new hardware.
newbie
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October 30, 2012, 12:20:05 PM
#11
Good Luck to you and thank you for sharing your experience with us.
sr. member
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October 30, 2012, 10:57:27 AM
#10
Good luck flower! I know you to be honorable from our work on bithopper.

I placed a pre-order with BFL, but something caused me to hesitate prior to paying. Then after hours of searching through archives here and elsewhere I determined I couldn't order with them and instead went elsewhere. Sure glad I did, but if I'd gone through with it then, I'd probably be making the same decision you are now.
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Former curator of The Bitcoin Museum
October 30, 2012, 09:04:33 AM
#9
a GOOD  REASON TO DITCH THE WOMAN... Wink KIDDING.. Cry

bUYING AND SELLING IS A VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE INDEED...

STOP YELLING AT ME!!

 Roll Eyes
hero member
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October 30, 2012, 08:48:41 AM
#8
If panic, panic first.

What if shipment is delayed to Jan 1013? Feb? March? And many, many people want refunds. Will BFL be able do this? My bet is: No. They don't have that amount of money left ...
hero member
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COINDER
October 30, 2012, 06:48:37 AM
#7
what made you change ur mind?

i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear.


So, your going to quit mining?

i have quit a while ago and wanted to restart with bfl asic's
but i dont see any sense in it when i loose money over it.

i think its better to just buy coins. (this also saves me from discussions with my wife)

a GOOD  REASON TO DITCH THE WOMAN... Wink KIDDING.. Cry

bUYING AND SELLING IS A VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE INDEED...
legendary
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Think for yourself
October 30, 2012, 06:18:04 AM
#6
(this also saves me from discussions with my wife)

Yep, not a trivial reason. Smiley
legendary
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October 30, 2012, 06:14:42 AM
#5
what made you change ur mind?

i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear.


So, your going to quit mining?

i have quit a while ago and wanted to restart with bfl asic's
but i dont see any sense in it when i loose money over it.

i think its better to just buy coins. (this also saves me from discussions with my wife)
legendary
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Think for yourself
October 30, 2012, 06:12:43 AM
#4
what made you change ur mind?

i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear.


So, your going to quit mining?
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
October 30, 2012, 06:09:32 AM
#3
what made you change ur mind?

i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear.
hero member
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COINDER
October 30, 2012, 06:08:02 AM
#2
hi,

i just want to share my bfl refund experience.

i have send them an email and after three days i've got all my bitcoins back.
obviously they gave me a few less coins because of the changed usd/btc price.

i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear.
i do still think bfl is the best asic vendor - at least for now Wink

what made you change ur mind?
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
October 30, 2012, 05:17:08 AM
#1
hi,

i just want to share my bfl refund experience.

i have send them an email and after three days i've got all my bitcoins back.
obviously they gave me a few less coins because of the changed usd/btc price.

i wanted a refund because i am afraid that bfl is not the first on the market and i think that i wont be able to mine back my price of the gear.
i do still think bfl is the best asic vendor - at least for now Wink

edit: bitpay has a perfect service. they even came back to me because they didn't find my refund transaction in the blockchain as we both used a mtgox address. +1 for doublechecking Wink
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