BFL_Josh - "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple."

OmegaNemesis28

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Quote from: Xian01 on August 02, 2013, 08:48:10 PM

Come on everyone. Quit whining already ! DUH! It's completely our fault they can't get their own house in order.

Quote from: Inaba on August 02, 2013, 03:42:21 PM

Big boy pants...

They're all hypocrites.
It wouldn't be so bad if they just kept their mouths shut and just answer Q&A instead of their own 2 cents.
Like that picture from Inaba. Not necessary. Jody runs her mouth worse than the comments in the blog posts.

Its appalling, and it does more damage then good.

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Come on everyone. Quit whining already ! DUH! It's completely our fault they can't get their own house in order.

Quote from: Inaba on August 02, 2013, 03:42:21 PM

Big boy pants...

Wear them.

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Quote from: k9quaint on July 09, 2013, 02:29:43 AM

They have demonstrated working examples of all the devices weeks ago. BFL stated they had all of the parts needed to clear the backlog.
But BFL has stopped shipping (or at least nobody is getting devices and BFL is not claiming to have shipped any).
The only reason would have stopped by now is a lack of parts. I see no other plausible reason to not ship. *
What plausible reason could there be for a lack of parts at this late a date? Did they run out of chips?
Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

* Except, could they be plugged in and maybe even switched on? (extended testing?!)

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josh is the biggest joke in bitcoin industry

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Quote from: mgio on July 08, 2013, 05:45:44 PM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 08, 2013, 05:25:58 PM

Boy am I glad I asked for and got a refund, now having money to spend to buy BTC directly.
I'll consider mining again, but only when ASICs can be bought with next day delivery.

Here is a theory that people will soon realize is true:

If you can order a mining device immediately (i.e. not pre-order) you will never make ROI on it.

If companies already had these devices and they were profitable, they'd mine with them, not sell them. If they sell them, they will charge so much that they won't be profitable. If they charged so little such that they were profitable, everyone would buy them and difficulty would rise so that they quickly became unprofitable.

That is something to really think about.

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Quote from: Syke on July 18, 2013, 01:31:02 AM

Quote from: SimonBelmond on July 17, 2013, 02:44:17 PM

Quote from: Frizz23 on July 09, 2013, 07:27:36 AM

Josh didn't commit Seppuku when BFL failed to deliver before April 2013. BFL didn't donate to charity when they failed their 1GHash/Watt promise.

I also don't like what they are doing communication and delivery wise. However, they have founded the Bitcoin Development Fund and have filled the Fund with initial 1000 BTC. http://www.bitcoindf.org/

This "Bitcoin Development Fund" isn't a charity.

They made it themselves. Its such a shill.

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Quote from: SimonBelmond on July 17, 2013, 02:44:17 PM

Quote from: Frizz23 on July 09, 2013, 07:27:36 AM

Josh didn't commit Seppuku when BFL failed to deliver before April 2013. BFL didn't donate to charity when they failed their 1GHash/Watt promise.

I also don't like what they are doing communication and delivery wise. However, they have founded the Bitcoin Development Fund and have filled the Fund with initial 1000 BTC. http://www.bitcoindf.org/

This "Bitcoin Development Fund" isn't a charity.

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Quote from: Frizz23 on July 09, 2013, 07:27:36 AM

Quote from: YipYip on July 09, 2013, 06:41:35 AM

Quote from: k9quaint on July 09, 2013, 02:29:43 AM

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

Your ball sack is safe anyway. In the Bitcoin Universe no one has to keep word.

Josh didn't commit Seppuku when BFL failed to deliver before April 2013. BFL didn't donate to charity when they failed their 1GHash/Watt promise.

Wild Wild West. Full of them cowboys.

I also don't like what they are doing communication and delivery wise. However, they have founded the Bitcoin Development Fund and have filled the Fund with initial 1000 BTC. http://www.bitcoindf.org/

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Quote from: cdog on July 14, 2013, 08:15:00 AM

For BFL to clear their backlog before 2014 its gonna take a miracle, I could easily see them not clearing the backlog for another 8-12 months.
At which point, you will have an "option" to apply your old order to an "upgraded" V2 ASIC, for a few $ more. Will be shipping within 2 weeks. Promise.

Taking this a bit further, I speculate that we will be taking delivery of Avalon and ASICMiner gen 2 hardware before America's favorite Bitcoin ASIC company finishes shipping their backlog of gen 1 ASIC orders on their current production schedule.

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For BFL to clear their backlog before 2014 its gonna take a miracle, I could easily see them not clearing the backlog for another 8-12 months.

At which point, you will have an "option" to apply your old order to an "upgraded" V2 ASIC, for a few $ more. Will be shipping within 2 weeks. Promise.

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Quote from: YipYip on July 09, 2013, 06:41:35 AM

Quote from: k9quaint on July 09, 2013, 02:29:43 AM

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

Ha.
I would've bet BTC on it

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Quote from: YipYip on July 09, 2013, 06:41:35 AM

Quote from: k9quaint on July 09, 2013, 02:29:43 AM

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

Your ball sack is safe anyway. In the Bitcoin Universe no one has to keep word.

Josh didn't commit Seppuku when BFL failed to deliver before April 2013. BFL didn't donate to charity when they failed their 1GHash/Watt promise.

Wild Wild West. Full of them cowboys.

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Quote from: k9quaint on July 09, 2013, 02:29:43 AM

Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

Yup.....

We are ~40-45 days into the 90 days every unit will be shipped from the queue...

BTW i stated that i would east my ball sack if they did ship EVERY unit in that time period

I think my ball sack is pretty safe at this point

k9quaint

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on July 08, 2013, 10:10:35 PM

Quote from: OmegaNemesis28 on July 07, 2013, 11:05:10 PM

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

His comments to me can only mean that very little to no shipping is happening and they have no clue when mass shipping will start. If they were shipping 50, 100, 200, 400 units a days BFL would be very vocal about it IMO and likely our friendly neighbourhood douche bag would be in here calling people cunts to drum up more orders.

They have demonstrated working examples of all the devices weeks ago. BFL stated they had all of the parts needed to clear the backlog.
But BFL has stopped shipping (or at least nobody is getting devices and BFL is not claiming to have shipped any).
The only reason would have stopped by now is a lack of parts. I see no other plausible reason to not ship.
What plausible reason could there be for a lack of parts at this late a date? Did they run out of chips?
Does everyone have to wait the 100 days it takes BFL to get a new chip order in?

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Quote from: OmegaNemesis28 on July 07, 2013, 11:05:10 PM

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

His comments to me can only mean that very little to no shipping is happening and they have no clue when mass shipping will start. If they were shipping 50, 100, 200, 400 units a days BFL would be very vocal about it IMO and likely our friendly neighbourhood douche bag would be in here calling people cunts to drum up more orders.

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Josh answer that the reality of the situation would cause them problems

Every BFL customer has had to swallow the cool aide to do business with them

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 08, 2013, 05:25:58 PM

Boy am I glad I asked for and got a refund, now having money to spend to buy BTC directly.
I'll consider mining again, but only when ASICs can be bought with next day delivery.

Here is a theory that people will soon realize is true:

If you can order a mining device immediately (i.e. not pre-order) you will never make ROI on it.

If companies already had these devices and they were profitable, they'd mine with them, not sell them. If they sell them, they will charge so much that they won't be profitable. If they charged so little such that they were profitable, everyone would buy them and difficulty would rise so that they quickly became unprofitable.

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Boy am I glad I asked for and got a refund, now having money to spend to buy BTC directly.
I'll consider mining again, but only when ASICs can be bought with next day delivery.

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Quote from: OmegaNemesis28 on July 07, 2013, 11:05:10 PM

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

If he really feels that way then they must be shipping Very Few orders each day if telling people how many are being filled would "cause more problems than it solves"
If he gave out a number, Then Anyone could goto that information, and infer for themsevles how long untill they can expect to wait baised on thier own estimate!

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It should be a 5 second exercise to determine the number of units shipped since last update and post it on the forums.
Modern accounting software + a simple counter on a webpage would be another way to do it and that would take 5ms.
The question of "progress update" is such a simple and straightforward question to answer, it boggles the mind that BFL can't do it.

Unless...
BFL realizes that they are legally obligated to refund every pre-order who wants one (and hasn't had their products shipped to them yet).
And if BFL revealed things about their business it would scare folks away.

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BFL's motto:

"There is a sucker born every minute!"

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Firing it up

Stop asking? The magpie is the question. People will stop asking if there is an accurate eta

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Quote from: reg on July 08, 2013, 04:19:10 AM

Quote from: OmegaNemesis28 on July 07, 2013, 11:05:10 PM

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

as a "fan boy army" member- but I prefer customer awaiting delivery. there is nothing wrong in asking for daily updates of items shipped. but there is something wrong with asking to whom and where!. also I prefer everyone to be working full time on manufacture and delivery- not on collecting shipping data!. as an aside if like me you have ordered and paid for an item there is a tendency to regard that item your own! this is clearly wrong. all equipment belongs to bfl (even in transit ) until you take delivery so all this - they are doing this and that with my unit is rubbish. reg.

I agree that you can't ask for where the orders are going and for whom. I don't see that being asked anywhere is the thing. People just want their position and a final eta.

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October = November = December.... = June = July = August = September....

Seriously no one saw this coming? Almost 1 year ago I posted asking about how BFL could estimate their mini rigs to do 1.0 TH/s without a working prototype and yet people still threw money at them in pre-orders even before a prototype existed.

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Quote from: OmegaNemesis28 on July 07, 2013, 11:05:10 PM

Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

as a "fan boy army" member- but I prefer customer awaiting delivery. there is nothing wrong in asking for daily updates of items shipped. but there is something wrong with asking to whom and where!. also I prefer everyone to be working full time on manufacture and delivery- not on collecting shipping data!. as an aside if like me you have ordered and paid for an item there is a tendency to regard that item your own! this is clearly wrong. all equipment belongs to bfl (even in transit ) until you take delivery so all this - they are doing this and that with my unit is rubbish. reg.

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Josh: "Then stop asking for updates, it's that simple. If you want updates and estimates, then they will tend to be modified as time goes on. If you want 100% accurate information, then wait. There's no other option."

Josh: "So I'm curious how you know how many orders we ship per day?"

User: "How about you just tell us?"

Josh: "Because it causes more problems than it solves, so that's not going to happen either."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3703-josh-its-time-update-bfl-asic-status-4.html#post45944

This is getting pretty absurd.
The huge "defense" of BFL that I constantly keep seeing from their fan boy army is that "no one has a right to other customer's information and what BFL is shipping." What does that have to do with numbers of how many get shipped on X day?

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