Big institutional money has yet to enter the field.

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Both reasons are the same reasons that crypto currency haven't been adopted by local business to exchange their products and services to. I myself have invested some of my grandparent's pension on crypto currency and they've gained alot these past 3 years. I just hope that we will see adoption of it sooner than later.

This will definitely be happen as the blockchain have been very popular. More and more are starting to like the technology which means that big institution can't avoid the fact that they are also getting interested. Adoption is already been started and definitely in the near future, this'll be much more topic to be discussed.

Yes, adoption is already been started that anytime in the near future we will see a lot of stores and services that will accept the cryptocurrency as a payment system on which could give a big help for everyone because it can help them to give a fast and secure transaction to every user that makes them satisfied and improve their financial status in life while using it.

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Quote from: spongegar on November 05, 2018, 02:43:02 AM

Both reasons are the same reasons that crypto currency haven't been adopted by local business to exchange their products and services to. I myself have invested some of my grandparent's pension on crypto currency and they've gained alot these past 3 years. I just hope that we will see adoption of it sooner than later.

This will definitely be happen as the blockchain have been very popular. More and more are starting to like the technology which means that big institution can't avoid the fact that they are also getting interested. Adoption is already been started and definitely in the near future, this'll be much more topic to be discussed.

with the tectonic advantages offered, of course, many people will choose the effective and efficient way. the proof is now banks have begun to use that system to facilitate their duties

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Definitely yes and sooner or later when theres enough people that won't accept fiat anymore, institutions will jump into cryptocurrencies. Otherwise they're just doomed to see themselves loose their grasp on people and I totally agree that there is always a new currency that will hit every industry.

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Quote from: spongegar on November 05, 2018, 02:43:02 AM

Both reasons are the same reasons that crypto currency haven't been adopted by local business to exchange their products and services to. I myself have invested some of my grandparent's pension on crypto currency and they've gained alot these past 3 years. I just hope that we will see adoption of it sooner than later.

This will definitely be happen as the blockchain have been very popular. More and more are starting to like the technology which means that big institution can't avoid the fact that they are also getting interested. Adoption is already been started and definitely in the near future, this'll be much more topic to be discussed.

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In the country in which I live, legislation is already being prepared to regulate cryptocurrency, as well as preparing a law on the introduction of a blockchain into a pension fund. I think that in many developed countries the laws are ready and the process of introducing the blockchain into many areas of social life has begun.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Today, the capitalization of all cryptocurrencies registered on the CMC is about 212 billion dollars. Someone consider it a huge money, someone on the contrary says that it is too small for all cryptocurrencies today.
Think about these figures: today the state of Warren Buffett is 66 billion, the state of Bill Gates is 79 billion, and the state of Carlos slim-72 billion Dollars.
So how much do you think it is or little 212 billion for the cryptocurrency market? I think it is very small and all the main money and huge funds have not yet come to this market. If you look even more globally, the percentage of capitalization of cryptocurrencies is only 0.013% of the money supply of the whole world-this is a needle in a haystack!
The time will come and the cryptocurrency market will become more stable and we will not go anywhere when the giants of the financial industry also want to earn money here and you will see a real influx of capital into crypto. Hold on friends soon should break through!

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Quote from: Wall_Streeet on October 13, 2018, 03:23:07 PM

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I am not too sure if they will be capable of getting in neither. Not at these volumes they will not. They are basically waiting for the volume to be high enough that they can enter without causing a price fluctuation. Right now if couple banks with couple billions gets in and than you will have bitcoin moving up like crazy and swing one way to another like a ship on a big wave.

However they can't afford a risk like that, it is not in the nature of banks to get into risky stuff they can't control, if they can control the risk it is fine by them (look at the big mortgage crisis in 08) however bitcoin is out of their reach and can't be controlled and if they get in with billions and try to get out the more likely outcome will be a loss for them and a crippling market for all of us.

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The inherent risks involved with pumping institutional money in crypto with it's high volatility is what is scaring the big money guys from this space for now, except of course the ETF gets approved.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Yes, and somehow I think huge people are just delaying it in order for some people in the market to go out before they start the bull run again.

they are looking for the right time to enter tmarket, of course with predictions of investors starting to enter market, of course big investors immediately take positions, so that they immediately get profit effectively

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.
[/quote really? How can I believe this? Although retirement is for investment, I can not believe they've invested in the Crypto market. This is a very risky market and they can lose their retirement funds. I think this is a certain confusion.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Yes, and somehow I think huge people are just delaying it in order for some people in the market to go out before they start the bull run again.

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Both reasons are the same reasons that crypto currency haven't been adopted by local business to exchange their products and services to. I myself have invested some of my grandparent's pension on crypto currency and they've gained alot these past 3 years. I just hope that we will see adoption of it sooner than later.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

I think it won't enter any time soon. We are talking about "big" institutional money and if its really that big it should be over 100's of million dollars for each, a total of billions of dollars together.

We are having trouble whenever someone sells 15k bitcoin and our market cripples and stays low for a long time when that happens, 15k bitcoin worths about 100 million dollars right now, if one 100 million dollar made our market this way can you think how much billions of dollars would affect the market ? For better or worse it would change the market drastically. Noone in their right mind would invest hundreds of million dollars into something this fragile.

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instability is an important point in their absence in crypto. besides, the institution complies with the rules. so that an open regulation is needed to be able to pull it into the crypto. we can see it in countries that make regulations that are open to crypto, so they can attract outside investors or their own institutions and create a good investment climate for them.

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Grayscale is managing money and invest in like Horizen, Bitcoin, Ripple...
There is more institutional money than what you can though, it's just that they don't want to be known for the public as investing in.
The real big ones invest in their own infrastructure

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

I am believe they already in the field even in a little amount. They always push the price first to get cheaper price. We know that Goldman Sachs already buying exchanger and its means they already put their money.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

You have a very good point. But if we can put our hands together in crypto, we might see this large institutions coming in. What that means will be more investment funds and stable prices.

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Agree, we are all waiting for institutional investors and their money, but how to solve valotile and manipulation issues?

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Wild price swings is the only way for Bitcoin to communicate and attract liquidity. If you take that away, what is there for institutions to be interested in?

It's good to state that the term institution doesn't necessarily refer to one specific legal entity. Banks absolutely crave for severe volatility their HF bots are ready to exploit, and they are present already. In that sense, the institutions are in already, but with pocket change through proxies and whatnot.

Pension funds are always the last to enter with how they generally tend to respect the rules, and I'm happy they do. They will be the cherry on top of the pie later on when the market is mature enough to be bought into. By that time they will likely buy exposure through an ETF.

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Quote from: Wicomas on October 13, 2018, 01:11:55 PM

I think big companies are monitoring the situation as to the stability of crypto market. Perhaps this market is still immature to them. when big companies like AliExpress, IBM, Amazon etc. will start investing on crypto, this thing will go miles.

They are and they will go in. They're waiting for clear regulatory policies and stabilization. They don't want to enter into a bubble but they also don't want to risk their money when countries did not make it clear whether they want to embrace it or ban it. Bitcoin still has unclear future in many countries. It would be great if governments made it clear that their attitude towards cryptocurrencies is laissez-faire. I can promise you that when it happens private companies will march in.

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We are also seeing stock markets all around the world taking a hammering at the moment, so investors are looking for safe haven investments to hedge against this. They usually turn to Gold, but Gold is plagued by manipulation from cartels, so they are looking for something that are not being manipulated.

A recent study has shown that Bitcoin whales, manipulating the market is a myth and a lot less than was previously reported.
https://bitcoinist.com/chainalysis-finds-that-bitcoin-whales-are-not-the-sole-source-of-market-volatility/

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Unstability is the main reason in my opinion. A bit more stability will attract more big companies and the other problems will start to fade away automatically.

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I think big companies are monitoring the situation as to the stability of crypto market. Perhaps this market is still immature to them. when big companies like AliExpress, IBM, Amazon etc. will start investing on crypto, this thing will go miles.

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Cryptocurrency is relatively new in financial world. It will integrate into major aspects and projects but in time. It is still gaining popularity gloabally.

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There are a lot of untapped potential sectors that crypto has yet not tapped into. These institutational money could do wonders for the overall market, through proper hosting and stability.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

And what does bitcoin have to offer for these funds and the involved parties? If anything, these guys would also find themselves in shambles keeping track of these things. And bitcoin is also an unstable asset so why would anyone rely their life savings and retirement funds to such that can crumble within mere minutes/hours? They surely wouldn't agree to keep their savings into that and would opt to just go with the banks no matter how the fees and terms would be.

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All of us are waitnig for institutional investors and their money to come to crypto market. hope it will be next year...

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This is what a lot of people don't understand. This is still only the beginning and crypto will grow massively very soon so you better invest before its too late.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 11, 2018, 02:01:39 AM

On the other hand, there was just a thread in Economics about how some big players were buying coins over the counter, bypassing exchanges--so there are some investors with deep pockets getting into crypto. It just hasn't become widespread yet.

THis is a smart way of accumulating in bear market. If you have a lot of money invested elsewhere it takes time to liquidate and move to something like Bitcoin. You want the bear market to last as long as possible and sudden moves might end it prematurely. Also, you don't want to get involved with shady exchanges that could get hacked at any time. If I had 50 million or more to play with I'd be looking to trade it in person via a trusted proxy to stay anonymous and off the books.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Retirement funds + crypto? It doesn't sound right to me.

Why not? Pension funds, this is even a justified decision, only it should be voluntary.
Not only listed by you, but also regulation by different countries. When all laws with cryptocurrency will be settled, then fiat money will flow into Bitcoin and other altcoins.

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We might not even know that it is here already. Of course officially there is no news about institutional money being involve in the market but not all news is being disclosed in the public and chances are a few already have entered the market without us knowing. There is no need of protection or security when their money want to be involve in the market as someone will already be handling it for them. They might now be involve that is why there are big price movements even in the past we just not know it yet.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

I often see this kind of posts and used to it. But in my opinion there are many funds that are coming in the market everyday but only slowly.

Yes and eventually when enough people won't accept fiat anymore, institutionals will jump into BTC.
Otherwise they're just doomed to see themselves loose their grasp on people.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

I often see this kind of posts and used to it. But in my opinion there are many funds that are coming in the market everyday but only slowly.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 11, 2018, 02:01:39 AM

There's no way in hell I'd want my pension funds invested in something like bitcoin, especially if I was close to retirement. It's way, way too risky.

Exactly. The whole point of a pension or retirement fund is to have safe and steady returns compounded over 40+ years. Risking all that on complete speculation which could wipe out decades of savings in the space of a few days or weeks entirely defeats the point of having a pension. You might as well just gamble x% of your paycheck every month instead.

If we are ever at the stage where people are actually using crypto for their pension funds, then "institutional money entering the field" will be irrelevant, as the price will be more or less static.

Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner.

Also, I've been hearing some variation of this statement for a couple of years, at least. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Retirement funds + crypto? It doesn't sound right to me. If I'm going to advise those retirees? I won't even mentioned crypto for them because of the risk and some technicalities from behind. Lack of hosting services for storing passwords? We have secure crypto wallets, all you have to do is learn how to protect them. Well you said it right, its unstable so its risky for them. If there will be huge money coming into the market, it will come from people who know how this market operates and know how to play in this game.

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Drops like the recent dip of approximately 5% in 35 minutes is what's keeping most away of bitcoin. The instability and wide fluctuations makes it unsuitable as a store of value.
And as an investment the outcome is totally out of your control. And you can only profit when the market offers profits.
Bitcoin ETF if approved would attract most of the people wary of the volatility. Buy that would haC little effect on sustained price stability.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Second, it's too unstable for them.

That's the main issue, I think. There's no way in hell I'd want my pension funds invested in something like bitcoin, especially if I was close to retirement. It's way, way too risky.

There was a time not too long ago when the market cap of bitcoin was probably too small for big money to invest in it. I just checked bitcoin's market cap, and it's $108 billion. That's definitely not too small for Wall Street to get involved. The market cap of Dominos Pizza is just over $10 billion, and a lot of mutual funds have DPZ stock. The big players probalby don't want a huge chunk of volatility and uncertainty in their portfolios, that's my guess.

On the other hand, there was just a thread in Economics about how some big players were buying coins over the counter, bypassing exchanges--so there are some investors with deep pockets getting into crypto. It just hasn't become widespread yet.

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Quote from: gezhid008 on October 11, 2018, 01:25:01 AM

Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

Off course you know the invested is either from family, friends or debentures. These monies would be paid back and before the repayment, some profits are also expected to have made. Hence, these big companies would rather invest the money in a physical space that they can visit daily to monitor, take accounts rather something they see as not stable in value. I'm not surprised too but I know that the future will be attractive to them when they see that the investors are not suffering from any collateral damage.

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Huge amounts of money have yet to come in. I'm talking about pension funds, teacher retirement funds and large index funds. They're not in the realm of cryptography right now, but they're just around the corner. There are two reasons. First, there is a lack of hosting services to help them provide/buy/store passwords. Second, it's too unstable for them. That has turned most of the big money going into crypto into technology-focused venture funds and some family offices.

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