Topic: Big Project, looking for an investor (Read 437 times)

Ada

Hey guys Im back

Site has been up with 3 game modes and doing well as well as we are growing so fast

Id love to hear some feedback from everyone

In My Opinion
Everyone must join If You Know About Good Project.
And Of Course Share With your Friends and family

First of all Happy Easter Everyone, I didn't expect  the thread to blow up like that, I'll reply to each one of you in these few days

I can say why i think so.


2 different account with one discord name asking money with different reasons. Site is awful, any student can make the same for a day or two. There is no any plan for money. The OP says "give me some money, i don`t know how much i need and i will do something". This is not any plan.

After all, you can "invest" your money and tell us how it works.

Your suggestions are very good, but with such investments, details are rather made available directly to interested persons. I suspect that what an agreement between both parties may look like may depend on how much someone can invest.

As it seems a lot of users are against my view of op's possible scam attempt I will like to further point your attention to the part I advise the op to give more evidence of the extent of the work done to prove the credibility of his claim and how op intend to make the investment work and possible profit for those that decide to invest in the site.

We can't say so if OP was really saying the truth or just want to purposely push someone so that they could scam them. It's still not clear yet what's the OP's plan but if his intention was clear then it might be a big project that's why asking for an escrow to fully support this is recommended. Now that some members here knew what is about to happen it's best to stop this kind of trap attempt since most members here in this forum know how to spot a scam attempt.

Why do you think this may be an scam attempt? Let's not get paranoid. After all, OP does not need to disclose business details in the forum for everyone. If you have serious intentions, you can contact him personally at any time and check his proposal in detail.

This is a failed attempt if op want to try to cheat the forum as members of this forum are very informed and will not easily fail for this kind of scam attempt, of ops want to avoid troubles and being tag as a scammer on the this forum he better come up with up to date information on the condition of the site and any other evidence to prove op of not being a scammer.

This site don`t need any develop - it need to be closed. The OP just a scammer without imagination. He even don`t try to come up with a legend. Need loan to "help irl" and created cryptocasino for "lebanese people". And it will be p2p there, of course for "lebanese people".
Why i`m sure that this is scam? Easy site without any content, 2 account(at least), no any plans for development, improvment, doesn`t know how money this project need - just $1000+ and you`ll get some percent of "business" - unknown percent, and you probably can improve it

I thought just this Thread for Loan that he dumped now there are even first attempt before the loan?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58985742


Now I can see that this account is Playing scamming for the community of Bitcointalk, and for sure now there will be judgement for this attempts .

but Anyway? I'm sure there is no old member here that will invest 1k each for his project when he cannot even afford to have 500$ and asking it for a loan.

I would normally agree with this but he said he is Lebanese and Lebanon went bankrupt recently if my memory serves me right. Which probably means banks are not functioning alright there. In a situation like this It would make sense to look for international investors but still, the chances are very slim for finding one.

A lot of red flags here. Even if you have put together a reasonable, very basic, pitch I think anyone with money - especially the sums you're aiming to raise - should definitely not hand it over. Unfortunately Lebanon is a very poor place and I don't think gambling would even be legal there, so how can you possibly run a gambling operation without being in complete danger? It is also somewhat of a lawless country so if that is really your base and you decide to disappear with the money, there is nothing anyone can do to get it back. Beyond that, it's a rather ugly looking domain and it takes huge resources to break into this market - even if everything was legit, you will face constant attacks and a few thousand extra dollars will get you nowhere.

You are acting like a scammer .... dumping old accounts ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-a-fully-gambling-website-with-4-game-modes-5380738 ) and making new accounts. People look at your post history to see what your track record is and they also look at your "trust" rating. When you jump between accounts, it is indicative of someone trying to hide their past. 

In any way, you will have a lot more success if people could "invest"  smaller amounts and then once you prove that they will be getting a return on their investment..... they might invest more. (Also called the long Con)    (This way... people can flag you, if you are a scammer)

Even if @OP gives us a detailed plan, what investors can get, it still can't convince us because @OP needs $1,000 which if to be used to run a website, it's very less and we know that a casino could need more from $10,000. Investors need details about the project, especially how much they estimate they can get BEP or ROI and if it is calculated, it certainly will not be easy because the number of visitors or players in a casino can not be a measure.

Maybe better to  lock the thread while you are dealing with the progress mate , because seems like you will be getting a break ? and at least bring us smooth result in the future and also address some of those issues above for your project betterment.
The post I quoted seems to be the answer , and OP will get back soon.

you cannot take it from people here mate because first you are now using a New account when you are trying to Lure investors , while the other account you used are asking LOAN in which we are trying to ask why you need open a thread like this when you can actually use your Old one?

I'm afraid that you can at least take a single investor here , because you are now exposed and being questioned .

My suggestion to OP is try to give a detailed plan what could be the benefits of the investors and include statistics why would you say that you could earn a lot of money by operating this gambling site, promises are just words and without proof no investors would invest to something that they are not sure if they are going to earn.

Such a fishy one, usually good gambling site wont ask for any investors here because they already have one in person and they are into contracts which can give an assurance for every investors. This project will fail, no gambling site will succeed if they have no funds in the first place, OP should not ask for any investors here. We’ve seen a lot of thread like this before, and they are nowhere to be found, this one will end up the same.

This kind of website needs a large amount of money, which is why you are looking for an investor, but first without any roadmap plans and other things that you want to implement and any presentation that could attract an investor, you ca really persuade one. If this is legit and you are too legit, without any infographic or detailed information, no one will invest in you because it looks like a scam. Now my perception is that, because all of what I have stated above can't be seen, this is definitely a 100% scam.

Asking for an investment worth $1,000 or more without providing any glimpse or concrete details about the said project can easily backfire. I heavily recommend that you provide more details in the post, instead of saying that the other details would be available in DMs. Anything that asks for a minimum investment in return for nothing (basically a non-collateral loan) can be dangerous to the investor's side, given that nothing is promised in return except for such hope and optimism.

Again, I heavily recommend that you provide at least some collateral to the minimum investment required to at least compensate the users from your request. Given that you also have a history of asking such, bring some security for these investors.

Yeah, that probably is, why would ask for a $1000 minimum if looking for an investor?

The more investors he could get the better as it's hard to find people who would risk $1000 for a business that isn't running yet if I'm not mistaken. If OP's intention is clean, I think crowdfunding with a very reasonable requirement is viable or why not just borrow money from the bank with the acceptable collateral.

What made this look fishy too. It is the fact that the admin is seeking a minimum of $1000 investment and we all know that running and operating a casino requires large capital for to source that kind of capital online will be impossible so I will say ops should approach a bank with the right collateral for a loan.

This is actually a suspicious move and since creating a gambling site requires a lot of money, I’m pretty sure OP didn’t know about this one and $1000 investment is not enough at all. Well, most of the gambling site today didn’t come here to ask for any investors, they came here already established and came here with a huge funds already. I doubt that someone will invest on this kind of project, OP should do better from this.

you can't blame people for having negative approach on this. many had been screwed over and over by scammers. if the OP badly wants to push thru this project. they need to tap close colleagues or private investors that they can pitch their project. if they believe that this platform will be successful, it won't be hard convincing these people to invest on them. but here, asking from strangers to invest on their business, i don't think they can get people on board.

Trust would really be the main issue on here which is really a very common reaction or view of people and as said there are lots who had been victimized with this kind of set-up even though not all since

there are legit ones who do really look or seek for investors but on 0% chance they wont succeed out because people would be always skeptical or having those doubts when it comes to investment matter

where people cant just throw out their money randomly just because there are someone who had been asking for some partnership or investment dealing on a particular business.
No one could get out some solid assurances with those money that invested so dont expect nor anticipate for such support.

Hi Mitch.

Please understand that as you have a status of "newbie" on this forum, almost everyone is not going to trust you. Especially not with their money. Furthermore, if you want to build trust, we will need more than a short wall of text.

Who are you working with? Can you prove how much work you put into the project already? Do you have a developed business plan that you can show your potential investors?

Until we see proof of your projects legitimacy and when you vouch with your real identity then we can talk about trust. Until then, I doubt anyone here will invest even a single Satoshi.

^ This is the problem for those who wanted to have investors but as a new project, no one will trust you in this matter.
Gaining trust is not just easy so that is impossible that you will have partner investors here, probably just find outside that a person already knows you personally. Because if you are online, it seems they will not believe you and even one of them can accuse your offer as a scammer's work and that matter you cannot blame people since there are a lot of victims here that kind of offer.

OP you have to provide a whole range of information to obtain financing from strangers on internet.
you have to clarify all legal aspects. and you must provide details on this agreement.
what guarantee or collateral do you provide?
have you done any feasibility studies to estimate the value of your site? It sound a Little bit silly male a comparision with a site already running with a monopoly position...

And the sad part is that even if the project proposes with a roadmap, there is still a chance that it can be a scam. New crypto projects for example, almost all of them are just scams. The investors are the ones that we must taught of doing a research not the op because he is likely a scammer and your only giving him an idea if what to avoid next time, this can make him become more successful on scamming people.

There are a few users already that expose the true identity of the op so be careful dealing with this guy. Let us not get tempted of that word "big project" because later on, that could turn into a "big scam". You've been warned.

Other alternative can be by asking people around him to be investor.
He must have some family members, neighbors, friends, etc who can trust him better than looking for investor in online world.
If I have a big project and I believe the project has a big potential to make good profit, I'll do what I suggested first.
By the way, how he presents his project does not look professional so I believe no one will be willing to invest even a hundred buck.

You see, you get replies from different perspectives, laughing, assuming even accused
 you. Coz finding investors to invest a non-established business, can't say if it's a business already since you don't have a licensed yet is too risky from investors point of view. What's the assurance for them that you will not run the funds? Is there any work of a middle man? Although it can be communicate through pm but mentioning it here will let everybody knows everything about the project, you and to your future investors.

Try getting a loan from the bank. From there you will have better chances rather than asking random people to trust you on something that you only figured out on paper. If you can prove to people here that your business plan is feasible, you will still have to provide some other proofs that this is not a scam at all.

I know banks aren't really the friendliest entities around but I am sure they will be more than happy to provide you a loan; if you can prove to them that you have the means of paying back. If you're sure this is going to work, take all the risks and rake all the profits AND THEN pitch it here.

We all have idea but what kill it faster is funding. If you don't have funding set up from the initial stage, it becomes a problem on the long run. Permit to ask, was there an initial planing of funding or you just create the casino and later discover that you will need funds to bring it to reality?
I'm interested in that p2p part where you made mentioned of an agent. I get scared anytime I heard of the word Agent, in any field, I find it difficult to trust this guy's as they worry me with how most agents has run away in furious moment. Do you trust your agent? This is people's money, you don't want the government to start chasing you for offense you didn't commit.

I have seen your old post history, you tried to get a loan from 2020 but you didn’t get. I don’t think you will get loan instead of your collateral is domain and namecheap account. Also you will never get an investors as like 1000$ such a new gambling platform without legitimacy. Don’t implement it only for a specific country. 

Actually project development is the correct place for this thread.And how you expect the people blindly inverse of 1000$ into your project.It’s very big money man.Atfirst you should prove your legitimacy here.Once you proved yourself.It’s enough for the forum member to inverse their money into your project.

The whole story sounded like a scammer. You would have given the fact by providing the link of the site. And you said the site is running but you needed some funds to expand the games in the site because it is only two games that are running in the website right now. Are you begging for money or asking for help or telling people to invest, which one are you. Please be specific.

You have forgotten or don't Know the two cardinal points in this forum. You are here for learning and educating. If you are embarking on a project the best way to do it here bis to ask questions then the expert or the field specialist will guide, direct you what to do instead of coming here to tell people to invest on a project that they don't even know or knowledge about it. My brother you are in the wrong place to Scam or defraud people. You better choice from your bad behaviour. I dare you to send the link of the so called project here for more verification. Remember your description of the site is very clearly here so if you send another site that doesn't have the description, we will tag you as a scammer.

hm when you do this continuously isn't this too suspicious? moreover you also did the same thing in your thread some time ago I think this is worth doubting when it is done repeatedly. plus when you say a promise like you said can this really be used as a handle there? Of course not because everyone can say that. there is no clear guarantee that you can guarantee in this case.
Apart from that I looked at the site you developed and I still find it too ordinary to look at.

Yes and I wouldn't also believe in a newbie asking for loan and promising about a big opportunity or something. Maybe the OP is really looking for a investor and couldn't find luck finding one but investing a minimum of $1000 is not that easy and the return or plan is not that clear, No offense but in my opinion I wouldn't take risk in something like this.

Yeah you are right a new account looking for members to invest in a new project is practically impossible and ops may have to build the site to an operational level before it can attract investors if not that way no one from this forum will risk their money on such a project that have no prospect of succeeding at any time soon. I don't think asking for investors to just put their money in a developing project will and may not go well with most of us in this forum.

I mean, any new account asking for a monetary loan right off the bat would definitely sound sussy.

I tried to create an account, hey have options for deposits and withdrawals for both Bitcoin and Ethereum. Not sure it if its working, is it @Mitch212 ?


There is a "move" button on the lower left part of this thread, you can click that and move it to the board quoted above.

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From your site, the price of bitcoin is way too higher compared to other exchanges. As of the moment, the price of BTC I can see from your site is $44,776.90, comparing on Coindesk that currently only at $44,776.90. Why is that like that?

No. I called you a liar because of the obvious evidence that you weren't telling the truth. 
This wasn't the only time you asked for a loan as you did so with both accounts. So you're lying again.



Also, you are lying when you claim you did not have access to your old account because you posted on the forum using a Mitch212 account four months after creating your ArabianFella account. You even posted in your own thread with both accounts a few days apart.

Proof:

Only $1000 minimum and you'll be able to be a profitable gambling site? I don't think so and I don't think, maybe create in the site an investment feature where players or investors can invest in the bankroll and giving admin panel may not be a good idea, they can ruin the website operation if you give full admin access to investor.

A project like this will need lots of funds. I don't think you'll be able to find such people on the internet. Why would anyone trust you in the first place? It looks pretty suspicious to me. Not saying you are a scammer but it sure damn looks fishy.

People with funds would hire their own programmers to build such project. They would hire local people because you know it is easier to communicate. Sorry I don't think it will work for you.

Maybe because they can communicate locally and things would be easier to explain, discuss in real person. I think it would be hard for you to get an investor here, as you can see most of us are already educated and aware of all types of scams and we are always doing a background check and assume that a project is a scam, not unless they give a good proof to make us believe in the project.

Why would they target the Lebanese people? Their economy is collapsing, and people are migrating to other countries. Their money is losing power so how would they be able to earn with a country which has vague future?
It doesn't make sense, because a wise gambling site would be targeting a booming country not a falling one.

I don't see any guarantee and he can't guarantee he can only give the admin panel after that the investor can only hope that he can make the casino profitable, but based on what I'm seeing and how OP behave I don't think so, it's better for OP to take a chance getting a loan from a loan company or borrow from relatives and friends or sell some of his stuff if an admin has a big stake in a project he'll go all out to make the casino profitable.

Op how can an investors can say that they will get their money back once the site is complete or up and running?. Besides having a low rank in this forum, trust must be earned first before a person will trust you. Why is it?, Because there are many scammers not just in Bitcointalk but also in other platform as well. $1000 and above required amount for investors?. In my opinion, you should also accept smaller amount than $1000 if you really want to gather funds for the site's development. In short, you let the investors decide how much they want to invest. Op, avoid posting consecutively.

Good to hear that, not only the site but your reputation is very important, some information like an investor could go after you in case things do go well. you know what I'm saying, it's hard to trust online as the possibility of getting scammed is just around the corner. Try different options actually, I'm sure you'll read plenty of suggestion that would help you raise the funds necessary for the project.

Reading your post and all the other posts on this thread gives me a suspicion that OP shouldn't be easily trusted.
Trying to get funds so many times for different things shows that OP doesn't stick to one thing.
What's the guarantee that OP won't run away with the money

Surely there can be no guarantees from the site that the investors will get that money back? I'm not saying it's a scam, but we've seen a lot of projects on the forum looking for such investors for all sorts of different projects, and then a lot of that turned out to be a scam. Guarantees will have to be given. Do you also want to work with a gambling license? Then you can add another 25,000 USD.

ya.ya.yo!

Well, let's see how that goes and how ready you are to improve your reputation and also build the project since you said we will be seeing progress on the development we shall be looking out for that I wish you good luck and hope to see more improvement as promised. Just don't forget the advice I gave in the previous comment make sure the project is at the operational level with active users that is the only way this community member will take your request seriously, we are always looking out for new betting platforms that give new experiences.

I'm still working on the site, you'd see progress soon still implementing new features to the website I'd love to get back here when everything goes smooth

You're assuming I'm a scammer without a proof, it's my 1st time requesting a loan, 2nd look at the date of Mitch212 account created and The ArabianFella one why do you think I don't use it anymore? I didn't have access to this one so I made a new one till I get my old account back

Recovered from what? The account ArabianFella you used was registered on April 23, 2021, and was active until February 14, 2022.

The following is your last post from the thread where you asked for a $500 loan:


Look at the bolded parts. Obviously you're a liar, which makes you probably a scammer too.

Don't expect people to believe you easily because by the help of this forum many people now are been educated about those possible scam attempt. So I guess you need to research first about what you offering here since most of scammers who use this word big project without providing any proof of legitimacy or any roadmap didn't succeed on their plans.

The title is misleading it's a start-up project not a big project, the casino has no player, with an incomplete page so simple that it will have a hard time competing with fully established casinos you tell us to trust you because there is a lot of money to be made
we have read a lot of it from ICO, I'm sure you can find businessmen or investors who will be interested in your project it's hard to strike up a partnership here online, especially in a casino because the market is very competitive.

This looks so funny too. As your service looks mixed up and how do you expect people from a cryptocurrency community to invest in a project that has to do with the third party agent to exchange your ticket. Whichever ways you may have to put in some level of work to see the project develop to some certain level before seeking investors involvement at list get the site to 90% operational level and after that you may have a bankroll investment feature that way you may attract investors that will be willing to invest the money on the bankroll in other to share revenues from the site activities.

This is my old account, I used ArabianFella till I recovered this account altho I'm known as ArabianFella on other forums, I repeat the script has been sold and changed to another gambling niche

This seems to be an alt of ArabianFella, who was also trying to sell a gambling script and asked for a $ 500 loan by offering his script as collateral. Very suspicious activity on the forum.

@Mitch212, why aren't you using your old forum account?

I'm not knowledgeable about casino operations but if someone going to invest and you promised to give them an admin panel what is the guarantee that he will have access to the panel for the life of the casino, this is an admin panel, not Cpanel where you can disable the admin panel login info, and is the software created through the Cpanel, it's complicated to have a remote admin/investor especially for a new casino.

I've already sold my old project listed in my thread I think I should have mentioned that as you said, You're correct p2p isn't the main deposit system since 90% of lebanese use crypto nowadays because of the crisis but again I'm adapting this system because that's how yalabet.com works here that doesn't mean I won't add more deposit systems

I didn't know that, thanks for informing me I don't know how to move the thread maybe a mod or someone could tell me how?

You might have better chances looking for investors after the site is finished, or at least by presenting old projects you've done and/or sold, as noted by the others in their comments.

Also, Lebanese then worldwide, then Lebanese specifically again. Not to mention that its a face to face transaction, isn't that like, close, if not at all KYC already? Not to mention that it's a really bad implementation. I honestly don't even see the need for p2p if it's like this, just stick to the crypto deposits.

You're right anyone can depo and withdraw using crypto without sanctions, My plan is to target lebanese before going world wide and getting a license, that doesn't mean if you're outside Lebanon you can't play

Site is still in early phase, we're looking to expand, I used to own one and sold it if you check my old threads it had more features than the current one, and yes I'll buy the copper member asap!!


Yes the website was sold and turned into a different gambling niche I could show it to you in PM, as for the old thread you mentioned yeah I've been looking for an investor and partner

I think you are making a mistake by targeting a certain nationality only. In this case, Lebanese people. Giving them an opportunity to bet is OK, but broaden your horizons. Are P2P deposits through your agents the only way to deposit money into your sportsbook account? And if I am not Lebanese or live in Lebanon, I wouldn't be able to bet? Crypto doesn't have borders and can't be sanctioned.

It seems that you have been trying to get funds for your site but no luck. Previously, you were looking for funds for a  betting site here Looking for an investor for a match betting website.

Before this you were looking for a loan here Looking for $2000 loan but didn't get any.

By the way you were also Selling a fully up and running crypto gambling website ? What happen to that site ? Did you sold that site and why you need to create a new one now ?

I am confused as what is your motive behind all this 

I saw your website its looks pretty simple . In fact, now the thread is filled with scammers.  So I don't think anyone would easily invest 1000 dollar looking at a post from a new account.  1000 dollar is not a small amount . I think your website should be decorated a little more to attract investors and of course show an authentic source from which investors can be confident that they will not lose money.
You can also buy Copper member for adding graphic in your thread . After all good luck to you

I think you may get more attention on Project Development board if you move it there and it's more appropriate posting this kind of thread if you really are into the development stage and want investors afaik. I'm reporting this one as well so a moderator will take care on it if you don't know how to move a thread.

It's not that easy, you have to prove first the legality of your company or projects.

I suggest you do crowdfunding like most projects are doing in the crypto space, but $1000 is too high for a non-established business.
Good luck anyway.

Greetings Everyone,

My name is Mitch, and I would love to propose an investment opportunity. For the past few months, I’ve been working on a website - 961bet.net. Which is a new match betting website targeting Lebanese people and world wide. The site has been up for a few weeks and has gotten a lot of support from different users, however we are now in a bad financial situation and I’m here to look if anyone would like to invest into my project, to further increase the development of the website.


About The Website:
The site is a crypto casino. We currently support two different cryptocurrencies for both Deposits and Withdrawals (BTC, ETH,) and P2P (will be explained down below). . Additional funding to the website will allow us to add more games and fix the overall design of the website, making it more user friendly.


How P2P works?
I'm looking to target lebanese people since I'm lebanese too, there is only 1 site here that operate here and their making millions per day, my website is only match betting for now, might add live slots later on depends on the request, Now I'm gonna explain few things, lebanese people have been struggling to use their money online due to the economic crisis here, so what's the plan is the deposit method will be face 2 face, I have agents that can take care of it, for example I gave the agent X, 40 million LBP, his job is to sell those 40 million LBP on site to people for real cash, after that I collect the money from the agents and turn them into USDT, I could explain more and more how things work but trust me there is ALOT of money to be made and I need a little push

I could share the business plan in dms

Investment:
We are looking for somebody who can invest anything between $1000 and higher. Investors will receive a portion/percentage of the project, which includes full access to our admin panel. This percentage or portion can be discussed and negotiated over in my inbox (linked below). You will also be able to develop the website and supply us with more ideas for updates and futuristic plans.

Discord: Mitch#0299

Telegram:@Mitch1900