Topic: BitCasino.io - 1.43BTC + 1.6BTC Scammed (Read 1123 times)

Too much going on at bitcasino really....

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So now they are as well turned to scamers? Like duckdice.io is turned to scame and bitcointalk wll oneday give you red tag dont forget that bitcasino

TBH in this particular case, we just don't have enough info to be able to say if it was indeed a scam and what sort of (double-spend, suspicious activity, cheating, AML, etc).

In last few days, I have read a couple of threads about scams in casinos and now I know that the fraud prevention teams investigate involved accounts deeply and many times the summary of their findings confirm or deny if the user indeed tried to scam, was lucky or maybe found a bug in the system. Without all these pieces of information, we are just not able to judge because many scams are much more sophisticated and involve many accounts, addresses, deposits, withdrawals, transfers, additionally can be exploited for a longer period of time.

Just like in this particular case the latest deposits/withdrawals don't have to be the reason for account suspension and limited withdrawals.

I Think you didn't understand.

I Deposited http://i.epvpimg.com/7nHNeab.png

And i think i mistyped instead of 1500 mbtc i withdrew 500 mbtc but was cancelled for kyc reasons, then i did kyc

http://i.epvpimg.com/LUwNeab.png


then like few days later i got this weird email http://i.epvpimg.com/QDzIcab.png

and then finally: http://epvpimg.com/kKYzaab


Crazy people really.
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quote author=TwitchySeal link=topic=5256938.msg54768140#msg54768140 date=1594390299]

So wwzsocki isn't missing something.  Why deposit again 6 days later when your first withdraw was flagged?
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So wwzsocki isn't missing something.  Why deposit again 6 days later when your first withdraw was flagged?

Yeah as you can see my ending balance there is 1.13btc + 500 mbtc = 1.63 btc, they cancelled it obviously and 15 months later we're still here..

Looks like a week before you tried to withdraw a little less than you deposited 1 hr 3min earlier.

As we proceed almost 3 weeks AFTER complaint was sent out, and almost 15 months in total.
We have received an email from the curacao gaming comission
http://i.epvpimg.com/71bycab.png

The e-mail where bitcasino.io has to reply to: http://i.epvpimg.com/QGu4cab.png

As bitcasino.io refuses to answer anything and only hides behind the curtains; http://i.epvpimg.com/SDpSdab.png

I'm anxious to find out what's happening next.

still no update.

Please just shut the fuck up, they reject my claim because they don't want to put their head in ''casino term violations''
stop riding bitcasino's dick already jeez.

You were already found out to be a liar in this post - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54689091

AskGamblers rejected all 5 of your claims. You are wasting your time!

Definately missing something deposited 0.43 btc played roulette brought it up to ~3-4 btc and chased some slots on 2-10 mbtc a pop Lost a whole lot and decided to take a 4x deposit balance home

I played around 5-7 hours straight >.>

Do I understand this correctly?

OP wanted to use double-spend to play in the casino and if he would lose then the scam is obvious because the deposit would be never confirmed and if he wins?

They push deposit with a higher fee to be accepted immediately and try to withdraw ASAP, hoping that the Bitcasino fraud prevention team wouldn't notice?

It looks pretty dumb to count on their mistake, knowing that the fraud prevention team is monitoring "double-spend" attempts non-stop.

Or I am missing something?

The thing is, after all this research there aint no ds on the blockchain to be seen which makes their accusation invalid

The fee most certainly does matter. Be aware of transaction A and B, but you should consider the following:

In a double-spend scenario, the dropped transaction would have stopped broadcasting from a while ago and thus you would not be able to find the evidence of the other transaction that uses the same txinputs. What I can assume happened (in the case of a double-spend) is the following: there is another transaction B₀ where the 1EA address sent a large amount to the deposit address with a small fee. Later, the same txin is spent in the confirmed transaction B when the deposit fails to make money, and the user tries again at the casino for a successful gamble. This time, we quickly change it so that the large movement from 1Ea to 128pfp is confirmed as soon as possible by creating a CPFP transaction with a massive fee.

It would be useful to check the mempool at this time, and make sure that the 2+ sat bucket exceeds 1MB (including SegWit size compression).

I'll make it even more simple.

Whoever sent the bitcoin to fund your account was planning on scamming the casino if you lost.  The transaction was created so that it would take a while to confirm, and during that time it could be redirected to another address.

From what I can tell, whether or not you deposited directly or from coinswitch as you've said;

From the transactions I posted in my first response, It shows that:

1. All Addresses involved in those transactions are Legacy (starting from 1...) which means they are likely controlled by one person and the outputs linking addresses from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd transactions to the Bitcasino's address further increases the likelihood of that.

2. There is no point of splitting coins between several of one's addresses with a very low fee before combining unconfirmed input to make a deposit to Bitcasino if the purpose wasn't to double spend to begin with.


The best case scenario in your defense would have been if you had purchase the coin from a local vendor and perhaps, the vendor was aware that you're making deposit to a casino, and while hoping you'd lose, he decided to play both parties... This being said is very unlikely

...And if this deposit had come from coinswitch, of which I think is not true, reason being Coinswitch would not initiate an exchange with unconfirmed tx, so they wouldn't spend an unconfirmed transaction, and they surely wouldn't send way below the regular fee for a transaction.

No i dont keep btc i only keep xmr and xrp so first i switch with coinswitch direct to bitcasino or i send to wallet and then send to casino

i only use btc for gambling purposes

I really want to believe you don't know what this all means, and for the sake of giving you the benefit of doubt as well, I'll explain further in more simpler terms all possible scenario of what could have happened, but only if you can answer this question first,

Did you send the deposit to Bitcasino address yourself or you withdrew/purchased from someone/somewhere to the Bitcasino address directly ?

Hey sir,
thanks for taking the time for puzzling it out.
Can you please explain to me in normal-people language what this all means?

kind regards and once again thanks for taking the time

Hi Everyone,

I think I have some findings that could be of help to this thread/Issue

Addresses that are of worthy note

1. 3PqZ8bsdV91X2PSZeTFGj78jabJbiBuH5f Bitcasino's

2. 1P8p24gbmhgxS2gPJjZJwYS4KDUiTcqd4c and 3. 1NCjM2vqdoJ5BX6wEN1j23cUCthA3QGRH3 OP's which combined inputs for the deposit



Firstly, I'll start from this "Transaction A" TXID from 15gekRPKCyetqS2jJf85fXuvzjDcooCEbN majorly to 1EaAQ8iqdPMvCGkrkMpMkpoW5LLjwcZ6xu (0.75216549 BTC)
and some change to 13N2CFwTLobJihSGQUYmWk8VrsyRqDicSp (0.00217148 BTC), with transaction fee of 2.547 sat/B. Time stamp of transaction is 2019-04-07 20:28

Secondly, a similar "Transaction B" happened from the major of the output above 1EaAQ8iqdPMvCGkrkMpMkpoW5LLjwcZ6xu here majorly to 128pfpJvTPhweAEHRzBv1q5DSvawpjTCSB (0.74890254 BTC) and another change to 1FvUNiDDdyRsLSuzEDVatcpMXJUGXaihsw 0.00325722 BTC, with the same transaction fee of 2.547 sat/B.

Then thirdly "Transaction C", the major address from "Transaction B" 128pfpJvTPhweAEHRzBv1q5DSvawpjTCSB sent here to 1CjYNz5Bat5RkP69msyY4QiXUBrARZgky7 and 1NCjM2vqdoJ5BX6wEN1j23cUCthA3QGRH3 ³ which is the second address that combined input to fund the deposit, with a fee 143.462 sat/B (but the fee here definitely wouldn't matter with two parent transaction of 2.545 sat/B pending right ?)

The major odd thing is that the both addresses that received small changes from "Transaction A and B" 13N2CFwTLobJihSGQUYmWk8VrsyRqDicSp (0.00217148 BTC) and 1FvUNiDDdyRsLSuzEDVatcpMXJUGXaihsw 0.00325722 BTC combined inputs to this address 1P8p24gbmhgxS2gPJjZJwYS4KDUiTcqd4c  ² which subsequently combined with 1NCjM2vqdoJ5BX6wEN1j23cUCthA3QGRH3  ³ to fund the deposit and So, those coins never actually moved elsewhere until more than half of it had funded the deposit.


I strongly believe that Transaction A, B (2.5 sat/B) and C are most probably a decoy, just to reach the end goal for funding the Deposit Address (relatively high fee) while some of the parent transactions aren't confirmed.

Because you are in bitcasino's butt your talking like this.
I Can obviously understand because of their 0.00001 btc rewards they give you for letting fish signup.
Just wait till you reach a few btc in your wallet and start playing 0.5-1 btc a spin, finally winning some and then this happening to you, we'll see if you're still talking like this after..

I was waiting to see how he would behave before tagging him, but now his actions show he's guilty.


Good suggestion and I think we know why he didn't.



5 complaints and all 5 rejected.  Maybe that should tell you something about this case.
Not sure what the "haha" is for; this is a very serious (fake) accusation you are spreading against Bitcasino.

Hahah I know. Cheap SOBs. They don't get my money anymore because of their cheap ass loyalty program. Really is that hard to keep old school players like us happy with a weekly or monthly match bonus. What really pissed me off seeing they give small time low life streamers 300% match bonuses but the guy who plays every fucking day for years a stick up his ass.  Anyways, I perm closed my account after 6 years and told them to F off.

But one thing I always given them credit for is always paying fast. Most of these complaints are bogus scammers. In my 6 years never had any payout issues.

Askgamblers is acting really weird tbh.
Filed 5x complaint all 5 times rejected somehow . Hmm..




They are writing me on pn but dont have guts to post here haha

LOL, you already know the answer to that. Hell this casino won't even offer a match bonus. So I believe they stole the OP money. This casino is always out to save a $ lol

LOL cmon Karl you know as well I do that the Curacao gaming commission is corrupt as shit. As long as you keep feeding them money for that BS license they will always look the other way.

Why doesn't the OP if he really has a case use a site like AskGamblers to mediate the situation and both sides can present the evidence.

@Bitcasino.io How come you don't have a legit license like from Malta or some other reputable licensing? Thats a great question that I'm not sure is in your pay scale to answer 

Hello!

As the user in question has sent a complaint to our license holder, we have to wait until they come up with a decision.

Kind regards,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

Hello!
You cant just post a statement saying '' Im gonna screw you over'' and leave.

This has to be the most ridiculous statement ever written.

I Didn't play on sportsbet and didn't use bitcasino nor did my friend. You have been holding on this accusation for a long time now.

You claim the deposits are 0.988 BTC in total and the winning are 2.17 BTC in total,

http://i.epvpimg.com/dXaGgab.png
http://i.epvpimg.com/6bC2gab.png
Total amount of withdrawals:  3.195 BTC

Both these transactions were confirmed on the blockchain which means there hasn't been any ''double spending activity'' as to the accusation of ''two other accounts'' i'd like to see that proven in a court of law.

As to the sarcasm on ''the buddy'' , both accounts have gone full KYC and have been verified accordingly .

I'm willing to settle on a return of deposits because i feel that without any court case bitcasino.io will never voluntary settle with paying what they owe me.

The best.
Quote from: Bitcasino.io Support on June 22, 2020, 09:04:06 AM
Hi guys!

I let the fraud prevention team look into this complaint and it was found that the user was in relation to one other Sportsbet and two other Bitcasino accounts registered between April 1st and April 7th 2019.

Our fraud prevention team used device data and blockchain analysis technologies to determine that this and one other registered account "the buddy" are confidently related to two other accounts that double-spent bitcoin deposits in the sum of 2.75 BTC. As a result, these accounts saw the confiscation of their deposits in the sum of 0.988 BTC and voiding of their winnings in the sum of 2.17 BTC.

This action was taken in accordance with our terms and conditions:
5.19.  If we determine, in our sole discretion, that you are using the "Double Spend" methodology, Bitcasino.io shall void all bets and winnings. Specifically, if you win, then confirm your deposit on the Blockchain and attempt to withdraw, all winnings will be confiscated and your account will be closed permanently. We shall also exercise this right where similar activities are attempted from any connected accounts.

As the techniques applied within this investigation are proprietary and as disclosing these details publically could potentially diminish their effectiveness in combating bad actors whose intent is to abuse or exploit our systems, we urge the user to file a formal complaint through our licensor.


Regards,
Karl
Bitcasino.io




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Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for contacting Curaçao eGaming.

We have copied in the Operator representative to handle your complaint.
The Operator in copy is requested to provide you and Curaçao eGaming with an update regarding this particular complaint, no later than 7 days of this notice, in order to remain compliant.

Please note that this must be the only communication thread on the matter. Any other threads or channels of communication will be ignored. It is also mandatory to keep all recipients in the thread at all times.

Awaiting the Operator’s response.

Best Regards,
Curacao eGaming


Complaint has been written for a normal statement !

I'm not going to take any sides here. I am usually quite skeptical of casinos, especially when the common practice is to use their Terms of Service to fuck over players under the guise of KYC or AML regulatory/anti-exploit measures. I mean, I've seen some sites include a turnover for deposits... is that seriously meant to stop money laundering (a small percentage of their player base) when it affects literally every single person?

For now, things are very inconclusive but Bitcasino does need to show some substance to their claims. It would be silly to always give casinos the benefit of the doubt when they make claims without direct evidence - that would make the GTO move to always scam.

Bro these people just make up shittalk to work theirself out of paying !
there is no proof, they just need to pay me and get this over with

Don't you at least have some information regarding these double-spend attempts? If we assume that the users did in fact attempt to double-spend, then there should be a record of of some transaction that was dropped from broadcast with the same txinput as the one that was confirmed. Or, if the successful deposits that they had on their accounts were not the double-spend attempts and they actually went through with the act, then it would be great to have a record of those double-spend transactions.

I can hardly see the problem with providing some substance for your claim, considering their accounts are closed because of it.

This has to be the most ridiculous statement ever written.

I Didn't play on sportsbet and didn't use bitcasino nor did my friend. You have been holding on this accusation for a long time now.

You claim the deposits are 0.988 BTC in total and the winning are 2.17 BTC in total,

http://i.epvpimg.com/dXaGgab.png
http://i.epvpimg.com/6bC2gab.png
Total amount of withdrawals:  3.195 BTC

Both these transactions were confirmed on the blockchain which means there hasn't been any ''double spending activity'' as to the accusation of ''two other accounts'' i'd like to see that proven in a court of law.

As to the sarcasm on ''the buddy'' , both accounts have gone full KYC and have been verified accordingly .

I'm willing to settle on a return of deposits because i feel that without any court case bitcasino.io will never voluntary settle with paying what they owe me.

The best.

Hi guys!

I let the fraud prevention team look into this complaint and it was found that the user was in relation to one other Sportsbet and two other Bitcasino accounts registered between April 1st and April 7th 2019.

Our fraud prevention team used device data and blockchain analysis technologies to determine that this and one other registered account "the buddy" are confidently related to two other accounts that double-spent bitcoin deposits in the sum of 2.75 BTC. As a result, these accounts saw the confiscation of their deposits in the sum of 0.988 BTC and voiding of their winnings in the sum of 2.17 BTC.

This action was taken in accordance with our terms and conditions:
5.19.  If we determine, in our sole discretion, that you are using the "Double Spend" methodology, Bitcasino.io shall void all bets and winnings. Specifically, if you win, then confirm your deposit on the Blockchain and attempt to withdraw, all winnings will be confiscated and your account will be closed permanently. We shall also exercise this right where similar activities are attempted from any connected accounts.

As the techniques applied within this investigation are proprietary and as disclosing these details publically could potentially diminish their effectiveness in combating bad actors whose intent is to abuse or exploit our systems, we urge the user to file a formal complaint through our licensor.


Regards,
Karl
Bitcasino.io

I can't even tell what's going on here. Something happens in April... your account gets deactivated in December... and then you create a forum thread in June, a whole year after the first deposit you had.

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Where are the screenshots of your previous deposits? Of all other relevant emails? What is the point of this .43 BTC topic when your whole concern is with larger BTC amounts?

^^ He knows well clearly that he did wrong back there. One of his attempts of a deposit of 1.4 BTC wasn't accepted due to the double spending I guess. Maybe he is coming back now after one year since he has lost all his money and wants to give it a shot to claim back playing the victim card. 

I am gonna add a feedback on this profile.

Why just file a complaint after a year? You have enough time to explain and deal with them after you encountered that issue.

I see that there's no double spending on that transaction in the image, not sure if that's the tx bitcasino referring to the double-spending issue.

I just pm them to respond here.

Try harder       https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcasinoio-support-2087138
Last Active:   June 19, 2020


Oh boy  your "buddy"



Bitcasino.io didnt scam you.    You got caught double spending- nice try though

After countless of emails from both me and my buddy, countless of livechats, hours of feeling helpless we thought there is no way to get our money and we simply have been scammed by bitcasino.io

2 days ago  i logged in after a full year to see if they maybe came to the conclusion that they've scammed me and felt sorry for their actions,
They didn't. they simply removed my full balance aswell as try to erase the complete history! (As seen in the pictures) At this moment they terminated my account because they know they are in the wrong. The picture proof is as of recently!  If there is a place where i can provide my proof please let me know  They are hiding transactions but fortunately i saved everything!

After feeling so ***** over my friend and i decided to both submit a complaint as were feeling helpless.
 we thought there is nothing left to do than to post it here

I Lost my deposit aswell as my winnings in this situation here along with my buddy who has the same fate unfortunately.

I have sufficient proof that will keep your jaws open
Please help us!
http://i.epvpimg.com/kF1Mbab.png
http://i.epvpimg.com/DRFAbab.png
http://i.epvpimg.com/sWJDdab.png
http://i.epvpimg.com/MB8wcab.png
http://i.epvpimg.com/TEYwfab.png


This is what they claim
http://i.epvpimg.com/N6jkgab.png

But huh?
http://i.epvpimg.com/VUXOcab.png


Bitcoin trans link of deposit: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/b2ffbb1adaf6c17f972bdd5220e58695a10b537d849e58c33e0269e723df370a

They tried to mute me but they wont win.


BitCasino.io = Crooked