Bitcoin ATM Operators in Nevada Requires License to Operate

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 11, 2019, 06:47:29 PM

Totally does not surprise me--and based on the replies here, it's not coming as much of a shock to anyone else.

I mean seriously, does anyone really think the government is going to allow just anyone to operate a currency exchange ATM without having to jump through their regulatory hoops? Not going to happen. Christ, you can't even cut hair for a living without having to have a license with whatever state you're living in. They regulate everything.

Reality sucks but this do happen even if you do just sell out some candies and cigarretes on a sidewalk do need up some business permits here on my country.

How much more if we do talk about BTC ATM's which would involved thousand dollars of transactions? As long on where government can sip out taxes according to their
likes its no surprise that they would regulate everything.

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This is a common thing, because each and everything has got certain procedure to be followed while we implement. Even the normal ATM needs to fulfill this, and here bitcoin ATM is not an exception. Maybe in few countries this might not be an issue. State of Nevada might have got certain regulations for the implementation. In my country if government norms weren't fulfilled government will seize the property without giving a warning.

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Quote from: Mantas_IUNGO on September 03, 2019, 09:49:00 PM

US State of Nevada Financial Institutions Division has recently issued a statement concerning the need for the protection of the general interest in view of the increasing adoption of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies. The regulator's statement implies that even Bitcoin ATM operators are required to get their licenses before they can legally operate.

According to the NFID, "Any entity that facilitates the transmission of or holds fiat or digital currency by way of brick-and-mortar,
kiosk, mobile, internet or any other means, should contact the NFID to request a licensure determination."

Of course, when doing business whether cryptocurrency related or not offline or online there is a need for a license. Heck, even a small convenience store selling small items must file the necessary permits and must comply with required documents to do business especially under the area where one is operating. Now, how much for an operator of a Bitcoin ATM which involves money and cryptocurrency? We should not be expecting special treatment and at the same time we should discourage the regulating offices not to make things burdensome. Doing business anywhere means we have to follow the laws of the land as many of the regulations in place are there to protect the interest of the consuming public, generally speaking. Personally, I am not for a market that is totally unregulated because that can be the breeding ground of abuses, scams and exploitation so there is really that need to balance things out.

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Quote from: Mantas_IUNGO on September 03, 2019, 09:49:00 PM

US State of Nevada Financial Institutions Division has recently issued a statement concerning the need for the protection of the general interest in view of the increasing adoption of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies.

The regulator's statement implies that even Bitcoin ATM operators are required to get their licenses before they can legally operate.

According to the NFID,

"Any entity that facilitates the transmission of or holds fiat or digital currency by way of brick-and-mortar,
kiosk, mobile, internet or any other means, should contact the NFID to request a licensure determination."

Well, I really doubt people would trust BTC ATM's when the said operator is an unlicensed one. For the sake of the safety of users of BTC, and for those that are still uninvolved to trust BTC and believe that they can get into it as well, regulations should be applied towards those transactions where a middleman is involved. Besides, without those licenses, scammers would enter the scene and it would basically render the usage of ATMs as useless. Not saying that all things involved in BTC should be regulated, but some should be strictly regulated to prevent problems from arising and help the community develop better. The BTC community shouldn't be run or controlled by the government but should rather cooperate and build a lasting community instead.

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Quote from: HatakeKakashi on September 28, 2019, 09:30:03 PM

Of course if someone create a business or project they need to get licensed or permit to the government so they can operate without having a problem. I think it's good to get license first before they operate because we know bitcoin is legit so we need also do all process that they need. Also people can trust to one business if they permit or even a license.

Agree to this, every business needs license to operate. The good part of this that the people that are using the bitcoin will have an easy way to converting the bitcoin into fiat, and also it can make the public interest to invest in bitcoin because if you will see that kind of machine in pubic I am sure that will take a time to look at it or even search on what that's about. it is good for bitcoin community to have that kind of technology.

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Quote from: Mantas_IUNGO on September 03, 2019, 09:49:00 PM

US State of Nevada Financial Institutions Division has recently issued a statement concerning the need for the protection of the general interest in view of the increasing adoption of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies.

The regulator's statement implies that even Bitcoin ATM operators are required to get their licenses before they can legally operate.

According to the NFID,

"Any entity that facilitates the transmission of or holds fiat or digital currency by way of brick-and-mortar,
kiosk, mobile, internet or any other means, should contact the NFID to request a licensure determination."

This is not an unusual news. You try to put up a business under the bright eyes of the government, you will be asked about compliance. And if you are planning to stick to it, you've got no other option but to submit to their policies, all in the name of public protection and of the general interest.

All you can do is murmur and whine silently not so much because of what they are asking from you but because of the ever-handy protection of the general interest overused by the government.

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Of course if someone create a business or project they need to get licensed or permit to the government so they can operate without having a problem. I think it's good to get license first before they operate because we know bitcoin is legit so we need also do all process that they need. Also people can trust to one business if they permit or even a license.

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This is actually lighter than I expected. Since the business would have to take fiat from somewhere the state obviously would want to know how it's operated to ensure it's not used for anything "nefarious". Hence the license.

As many has pointed out, it's a business. Heck, even heard of some kids got their lemonade stand taken away from them for not keeping proper temperature control. Regulation is what government does. Grin

Quote from: oaz7t on September 09, 2019, 07:16:08 AM

Sounds pretty valid circular by NFID. I mean this will at least ensure that ATM those are being installed are not forged and you can do the transactions with full confidence. That will be ensured by NFID authority before issuing any certificate to them.

True. Less fear that they might be tracking your data and would use them later.

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Quote from: Pffrt on September 12, 2019, 01:40:56 PM

We are not yet in an era where everything goes decentralized. We are still living under the rules of our govt, so, if you want to run business, you have to comply with all the local rules. Govt of course will ask for having license since the rules say so.
There's nothing wrong with that. It's usual. May be someday with no central govt, you can get a society where you can do business without a license Cheesy

Its better if they obey the rules because they can come up into some sort of trouble if they continue without even thinking the things that might happen. "someday" it will take a lot of time but if they really wanted it to happen then they will wait patiently. They also need to respect the governments decision because its possible that they are going to bring up some issue about it to make people think that its not good for them or its not beneficial.

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We are not yet in an era where everything goes decentralized. We are still living under the rules of our govt, so, if you want to run business, you have to comply with all the local rules. Govt of course will ask for having license since the rules say so.
There's nothing wrong with that. It's usual. May be someday with no central govt, you can get a society where you can do business without a license Cheesy

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Totally does not surprise me--and based on the replies here, it's not coming as much of a shock to anyone else.

I mean seriously, does anyone really think the government is going to allow just anyone to operate a currency exchange ATM without having to jump through their regulatory hoops? Not going to happen. Christ, you can't even cut hair for a living without having to have a license with whatever state you're living in. They regulate everything.

Quote from: vintages on September 11, 2019, 06:42:02 PM

And as time goes on, you should expect more of it to come.

More regulation or more ATMs? I'm kind of expecting more crypto regulation and am actually surprised the IRS and all the other government agencies haven't jumped in to regulate crypto to death already. I'm not so sure about bitcoin ATMs taking off. I think they're a great idea and they'd allow people to buy bitcoin without having to do it on an exchange like Coinbase, but I just don't think they're ever going to become very popular (unless bitcoin gets adopted as a currency instead of as an investment).

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It's still part of the regulation process a lot of us have been expecting.
It may seems tedious or controlling but looking at it from another angle, it is more like the only legal way it will work with scam prevention.
And as time goes on, you should expect more of it to come. That's the price we pay for having and using Bitcoin as a currency like every other fiat.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 11, 2019, 02:03:14 AM

So I guess it's obvious that ATM operators are going to be subjected to laws that pertains to operating a crypto ATM machine wherever you are. And if you don't comply, you will be a target:

It's obvious to people with some understanding of how things work legally, but not to the average person who's believe is that crypto isn't a financial instrument similar to fiat in that regard.

I still get people locally to ask me why this or that is necessary when they sign up to an exchange. People first have to understand what crypto actually is in order to then understand that crypto businesses are in fact financial institutions.

The days where you can use an exchange or an ATM freely without limits are nearly over. The first step is lowering the amounts you can withdraw, where the next step is full KYC verification or nothing.

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Anything in America that even deals slightly with money needs some type of license or certification. You even need a license to braid someone's hair legally. They gatekeep poor people out from having their own businesses by making pricey certificates and licenses.

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Every business nowadays requires license by the government before it can start to operate.
Same thing is happening here, they just say for protection purposes but the real purpose is to collect tax on the business operators.

They don't have a choice but to get a license, as long as the procedure is not hard to follow, then I think it's still justifiable.
The fact that the government already allows this business, it means they are supporting the technology and hopefully this will help to gain adoption.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 10, 2019, 01:44:10 AM

But cryptocurrency ATM is a physical machine and most of them i know are installed in stores, it is an instant procedure and i never heard any complaints so far and why do you think regulation is need badly Huh

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It's not that they're needed, authorities are just implementing already-existing laws. Bitcoin ATMs were recently ruled to be "an entity that facilitates the transmission of or holds fiat or digital currency by way of brick-and-mortar, kiosk, mobile, internet or any other means", and thus will have to comply to regulatory measures. Regular ATMs, and even money transmitters that have nothing to do with cryptocurrency are subject to the same regulation.

But yeah, they're apparently only applying this to Bitcoin ATMs because they failed to pass specific legislature for their licensing, according to this article. Pretty dirty move if true.

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Locally, one bank here installed a crypto ATM. But before they can installed a fully operated machine, they have to undergo and follow regulations, i.e. here, the our central banks reminded that operators of crypto ATM's are considered to be "virtual currency exchanges', and as such as covered by circular and memorandum.

So I guess it's obvious that ATM operators are going to be subjected to laws that pertains to operating a crypto ATM machine wherever you are. And if you don't comply, you will be a target:

https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2019/08/28/nevada-targets-unlicensed-cryptocurrency-atms/

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/80th2019/Bills/SB/SB195.pdf

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Quote from: el kaka22 on September 11, 2019, 01:43:41 AM

It doesn't sound too bad, I mean every business has to get some licenses, for example a cafe has to get license for being clean, I know it sounds like given right now but at the time when it was introduced people probably saw it as useless because you know which places are actually clean (the high end places for example) and you all know how "clean" some other horrible places are as well.

So all in all, I think getting a license is not a bad deal, they won't ask for too much stuff, if you are abiding the law it would be like couple days of waiting followed by getting some papers and getting them signed by some people and so forth, typical stuff that doesn't take too long and you would be able to get one without a problem, everyone should be following the laws.

a money transmitter license is a much bigger barrier to entry than a permit to run a cafe. nevada's fees and bonding requirements aren't as bad as some states, but they're nothing to sneeze at either. this is a breakdown of the costs:

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$375 application fee
$300 fee to commissioner
$300 annual assessment for examination costs

Bonding requirements for money transmitters in the state of Nevada include a $10,000 surety bond plus an additional $5,000 bond for each location, not amounting to more than $250,000.

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It doesn't sound too bad, I mean every business has to get some licenses, for example a cafe has to get license for being clean, I know it sounds like given right now but at the time when it was introduced people probably saw it as useless because you know which places are actually clean (the high end places for example) and you all know how "clean" some other horrible places are as well.

So all in all, I think getting a license is not a bad deal, they won't ask for too much stuff, if you are abiding the law it would be like couple days of waiting followed by getting some papers and getting them signed by some people and so forth, typical stuff that doesn't take too long and you would be able to get one without a problem, everyone should be following the laws.

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Put some link source on next time for your thread not to be deleted by mods or would be pointed out by plagiarizing
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nevada-regulators-say-bitcoin-atms-will-need-license-to-operate

Majority of countries will look on requiring btc atm owners to comply with the law if they do tend to built up business which i do believe
that most btc atms nowadays do already follow this.

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Quote from: Harlot on September 09, 2019, 07:35:32 AM

Isn't this obvious? I mean a business for it to be fully operational legally they still need to undergo some kind of licensing or at least acquired a husiness permit to operate. Businesses don't come out like mushrooms where a person with a capital can just start right away we have laws in check for them to run legally and also be monitored woth their taxes which in this case also the buyers since they are also buying assets for the said Bitcoin atms. I don't even know why they have news about it, are there any Bitcoin atms running ilegally in Nevada lately?

If they don’t license companies even If they are the owner of the company, people would operate the company in a lawless manner, and one of the reason why they do register companies is for taxing purpose.

If they don't license them, there is no way that they will be able to tax the company, and if you really see the purpose of this licensing, it is for taxing, and you already know the stand of government as regards cryptocurrency, it is better that the license the atm operator now, because this is still part of this regulation that we are talking of , before any scammer will just create a company now for the same purpose and would have scammed people before they even know that the atm operator is not the real one, so you see why we have to be licensed.

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It is an exchange regulation relationship (between cash and cryptocurrencies,) so it is necessary to have a license, especially with the growing interest in cryptocurrencies.

This indicates the development of crypto industry in that state, which led to the emergence of such commercial activities and therefore the need for some licenses to continue.

There are no restrictions on currencies and the news is not focused on cryptos but rather the method of conversion.

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This will only be bad if the Fiat ATM operators does not require any license, but I think it is applicable to any operation that handles Fiat transmission. Bitcoin to Bitcoin transactions cannot be regulated, because there are no Fiat currencies involved and how do you regulate something that cannot be controlled or monitored? < How will they know if I send bitcoins from my Ledger to a Paper wallet > Roll Eyes

It gets complicated when Fiat gets involved, because Fiat is very regulated and controlled by third parties like Banks. These third parties have loads of checks and balances and customers have to adhere to strict KYC/AML regulations. Tongue

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You should attach links for further references.
Here: https://cointelegraph.com/news/nevada-regulators-say-bitcoin-atms-will-need-license-to-operate
https://www.nevadacurrent.com/2019/08/28/nevada-targets-unlicensed-cryptocurrency-atms/

Having ATM machines for bitcoin is a part of a business, so it is obvious that they will require to comply with licenses for their business.
It is better to require licenses than they are going to ban as I read before, Bitcoin ATMs machines need to be banned since they are aiding money laundering. So, I will not surprise this news and let's accept the fact that it is a part of a business that must have license for better security on us(as a user).

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 09, 2019, 09:45:39 PM

In general I am against regularization, but in some cases for the safety of the customers regularization needs to be implemented. And cryptocurrency ATM is one of the fields where I think regularization is needed quite badly.

Everyone will be on the same page when it comes regulations being implemented to stifle the growth, no one really likes regulation but with everything there are always two side, the regulation is required to protect the end user as you do not need scammers lurking around trying to find victims and we are less than ten years old and we have already seen billions of dollars stolen. But cryptocurrency ATM is a physical machine and most of them i know are installed in stores, it is an instant procedure and i never heard any complaints so far and why do you think regulation is need badly Huh

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No surprise there. Most of the countries have license requirements for similar operations. The big question is whether this license procurement is a time taking process, or an easy one. I don't think that there is too much red tape and bureaucracy in the United States and therefore this should not be a concern for the ATM operators. This can be mutually beneficial as well. If no license is required, then there is a good chance that scammers can enter in to this field as well. In general I am against regularization, but in some cases for the safety of the customers regularization needs to be implemented. And cryptocurrency ATM is one of the fields where I think regularization is needed quite badly.

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Quote from: Mantas_IUNGO on September 03, 2019, 09:49:00 PM

The regulator's statement implies that even Bitcoin ATM operators are required to get their licenses before they can legally operate.

Of course, it's a business. There is no exception to that even for Bitcoin operators. They need to be registered and follow the regulations.

Bitcoin ATM involves money. No way the government will just allow to install it somewhere without knowledge. Aside from it's useful, it can be used too illegally. For those who are against here, they are not looking on a big picture and will just stand to their beliefs that bitcoin should never be regulated.

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Isn't this obvious? I mean a business for it to be fully operational legally they still need to undergo some kind of licensing or at least acquired a husiness permit to operate. Businesses don't come out like mushrooms where a person with a capital can just start right away we have laws in check for them to run legally and also be monitored woth their taxes which in this case also the buyers since they are also buying assets for the said Bitcoin atms. I don't even know why they have news about it, are there any Bitcoin atms running ilegally in Nevada lately?

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Sounds pretty valid circular by NFID. I mean this will at least ensure that ATM those are being installed are not forged and you can do the transactions with full confidence. That will be ensured by NFID authority before issuing any certificate to them.

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So what do you expect? Today we have a lot of regulations coming around and it could do good things for the whole crypto sphere per se. I think there has been discussions about this one years ago if ATM really requires licenses before it can operate. But for me its pretty obvious, its a business so certainly a license issues by the state is needed and it could set a precedent for other state to follow this rule as well, win-win situation.

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US State of Nevada Financial Institutions Division has recently issued a statement concerning the need for the protection of the general interest in view of the increasing adoption of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies.

The regulator's statement implies that even Bitcoin ATM operators are required to get their licenses before they can legally operate.

According to the NFID,

"Any entity that facilitates the transmission of or holds fiat or digital currency by way of brick-and-mortar,
kiosk, mobile, internet or any other means, should contact the NFID to request a licensure determination."

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