Topic: bitcoin can be the future. (Read 271 times)

(this scheme its a basic idea, the idea its expansible, and have much thing for add, posting the idea central ).

It would be a good idea to read the content I wrote completely. I know it's a bit lazy to read so much. but you only stayed with the main idea you wanted to hear and assembled your questions based on it.
In the same text I answer your questions.






thanks igoes to check.

as i said this introduces centralization and that is a big point of failure.
for starters how could anybody even trust this centralized server? it can easily give false information to anybody connecting to it. imagine you were waiting for a payment, you connect to this server and it tells you that you have received the payment but since you aren't connected to the bitcoin network and aren't receiving and validating blocks yourself, you have no way of knowing whether the server lied to you or not.

additionally you mention problems in your country and bad government, so what is stopping this "bad government" from simply shutting down this centralized server or arresting the owners of this project? or worse to take over and monitor/control what everyone owns and what they do with it.

Yes and I have already provided you the link to the companies I mentioned earlier. What you need to do is right-click the name while you open it in a new tab. Mind you, I have never use the company before or know how they operate but they definitely registered company.

Like any digital project there may be vulnerabilities in the systems. but they are vulnerabilities that can be solved if there is a functional project. It may be that as indicated by the friend "coal". if exist other idea similar, I do not know. I don't know if it was like that or not. and if the idea of this people are a fake or not.

but in my opinion the project seems viable. The security aspect can take a second verification process in offline mode, that only paired devices can verify a server response code. and from the offline receiving device, scanning and matching the generated code will simply generate a valid key. so if during the shipping process some kind of modification was made within the mobile service provider. simply the code will not validate and the transaction will not be finalized.



u have some link about this companys? thanks

OP, It will be hard for you to find investors without start some part of the project which may somehow convince investors to believe in the future of your project but I help you to do a few research about fundraising company which are legally registered to the UK government and I found Angelsden and Fundsurfer.

I hold some of the mCoin but the project seems to be a scam because we didn't hear any update from the team and their telegram account just vaporized. Any news about the project?

I like your ideas but it too seems to me that you're offering the same concept which was implemented by a project last year if I could remember correctly, mCoin which claimed to be the first cryptocurrency to be accessible without the internet i.e sending crypto payment through the use of phone texting and such act can still be vulnerable through phone service provider, isn't it?

Good afternoon, I'm Gabriel, from  Venezuela. I have the idea of ​​creating a physical function for bitcoin. Although it sounds somewhat absurd and impossible, I have thought and come to the conclusion that it is possible to develop a viable function for many countries and even give extra functionality to bitcoin.

As we all know, Bitcoin is a digital currency, so we require the use of the internet to made out transactions, and even make that bitcoin reach other people, in this way the economy works, someone has a product, another has the money, and if who has The money wants to buy a product,  simply processes your payment and receives your product. Really this basic rules work on the world of economics.

However, unlike the dollar or physical money, bitcoin has the disadvantage that there is no platform capable of generating a physical aspect for bitcoin which allows people to buy products directly with bitcoin without being connected to the internet. this being an important disadvantage for bitcoin and making its growth stand still.

In countries like Venezuela, due to the bad government, we have had to face very strong disadvantage and collapse situations that have ended up making each person take advantage of other person for survive, trying to adapt to the needs and the community in which they reside. A few months ago they began to cause failures in the electrical system and simultaneously failures in Internet services, creating a total collapse of the economy, even in the purchase devices with debit or credit cards. There was widespread chaos between internet services, electricity, and some communications systems. However, many telephone systems continued to operate, companies such as digitel, movistar, among other companies worked on 60-70% of the normal capacity without problems. remember that these services mostly work on a satellite basis, and if u around of the antennas the service work perfectly.

During this time I observed that bitcoin had a significant disadvantage to the dollar. But I also spent my time thinking about possible solutions for these schemes. and I found the possibility of believing that we can use the services that continue in operation to perform electronic links and generate bitcoin operations based on these functional systems.

My idea and project is based on what I think is possible and capable of creating a platform that generates codes through an offline digital application that connects to a synchronized server on the network. These codes should be generated under a cryptographic scheme, together with a pairing of devices (remember that mobile phones, even without electricity services can be charged from cars, electric generators, among other options, and their load yields approximately between 8 hours or even a few days) and, in turn, through an extra application, a text message will be sent with the generated code, which connects to a  national or international server that is constantly listening to these messages. At the time of the message to be received, the server must connect to the wallet of the generated code to execute a payment transaction between the paired pair and return a message indicating the success of the operation or failure thereof.

In a fews words, the moment system would work under this scheme:

Person-> Wallet (previously created and paired to device) -> Device (offline) -> Pairing (offline) <- Device (offline) <-Wallet (previously created and paired to device) <-Persona

Pairing (offline) -> cryptographic code (offline) -> AppRemote + NumTlf-> Text message sent to server-> Server listening

Server-> Validation of codes-> verification of balances-> transfer of funds-> return of text message with transaction and operation code.

If analyzed from this point of view, the operation is totally viable. Even in my country where there are so many generalized blockages, we can send international or national text messages. therefore the application can intelligently connect to digital operations easily. the idea can even be greatly improved because more powerful links with more data analysis could be created. security based aspects can be created. I have other ideas to greatly improve the operation of the system, but  we would have to detail many technical aspects of operation, monitoring, among other things. even sub-links could be created.

Now if you look at it from this point of view, we could even print cards or paper with the code generated by our applications, and make payments with those codes. (The idea doesn't sound so absurd anymore, right?)
All the money available to realice out this type of operations would also be controlled by people, even having an amount of btc per code generated in the application, to form individualization.  The idea is expansive. but, as I commented at the beginning of my article, my impediments are the following:

I do not have the money to finance the entire project (servers, links, domains, hosting,  development, design, hours of work, advertising, food, etc.)
I don't have the staff to collaborate in the development process
I don't have advertising contacts for the idea
I do not have economic stability to clearly dedicate my time to the development of the project.
I live in a corrupt country, so protect my identity as Satoshi Nakamoto did, It is merely important, for this reason as I said in previous messages i don't necessarily obtain recognition for the idea. but I do need to solve my economic problems, because I want to help my wife, children, parents and parents-in-law. I want to give them stability, just as I want to have it. This is why I am looking for someone interested in financing or buying this idea and who has the capacity to develop it, or even that finances me and allows me to development the idea.
I believe that the development of this project is really important for bitcoin, and would solve one of the disadvantages that this community has so far.
I do not have a stable internet service but it can be solved with a satellite internet system, if there is financing for the project.
I do not have stability in electrical services. but it is also a system that can easily be solved, with electric generators or a solar panel system.
In turn, if there are people interested in making such financing, I may be showing through this same forum or even an extra web page all the progress that is being made, work group, tests among other things that merit importance.

If there are people who wish to collaborate in the financing of the idea, they can contact me directly by PM, or even publish in this post, in turn I will leave one of my wallets in case there are people interested in donating in the project in any way. Or if there is anyone interested in buying the project, you can also contact me. If a sale is made, I will returning the money to the wallets of those who have made any kind of donation to said wallet. What I want is to create a solution that is accepted by people, and if for the most part people want me to develop the project and finance my idea, I have no problem in doing so and unlinki myself from the idea of ​​selling it.
I thank first to God and you for your time and put this whole project in God's hands.

Btc: 15VxBMg2iwsZKbdnKKCkro2bAFoRfweu68

THanks for the links im checking the information.

If I also thought like you in the beginning. Everything about bitcoin is still digital. But what would you say if I told you that even without internet and electricity you can make a digital operation with other services? It's possible brother. It sounds absurd but not impossible. It is the reason why I have not had much support because people are immediately locked in the idea that internet is necessary. but internet is not necessarily needed to perform an operation. We really need only one electronic link. It is simply the only thing we need to complete an operation.

There are many true and false things that are said about Venezuela. If you continue researching, you will also find that Venezuela is the country that uses the most bitcoins worldwide. This is based on the fact that merchants, due to lack of dollars, manage a large part of their cryptocurrency sales because it is a better economic support in the future. However, not everyone has the same chance of getting bitcoins. All that depends on your social position and your purchasing power. I am a father and I have had to deal with a broken policy all my life for the support of my family and my parents. However, understanding my country's economy is difficult, because we have an economy so fragmented that it takes a long time to understand many things. A summary of this is that 1 week ago 1 kilo of cheese had a value of 19,000 bolívares, this week is around 40,000 bolívares, and possibly for next week its value is greater because the Colombian peso was devalued before the dollar, then the value of the price of Colombian products will increase, and in this way the Venezuelan bolivar will be devalued immediately. It is there that a refuge for bitcoin was created. Despite the danger of developing an idea in my country, because it is a Venezuelan who develops it, the government or the people who observe that there is the possibility of money there would try or trust that the government tries to deceive me, steal me, kidnap me. or intimidate me It is for this reason that I look for solutions. I just don't want recognition, but I do want to solve my economic problem. I have no problem that another company has the recognition to develop the platform. What interests me most is having economic stability. I don't know if I explain myself very well. However, not to get out of the idea. Venezuelans have used bitcoin as an alternative, they only suffer government setbacks every time we run out of electricity or internet. It is there that Bitcoin begins to fail. Right now I am writing a text to explain my idea a little better. Sorry for the delay, but even yesterday I had no electricity at home.

You can also check out this website: https://angel.co/blockchains/investors
They have funded some blockchain related projects, hopefully someone there might be interested in yours.

Also, I don't want to sound negative but what you want to set up seems too impossible because everything about Bitcoin is digital. I advice you to resolve to finding a very tangible solution to the problem you are trying to solve, else no sincere investors will listen to you.

venezuela is a country facing a major economic and political crisis, a little research i did i found this:

Venezuela Imposes Fees and Limits on Local Crypto Remittances

how are you going to deal with venezuela regulators?

you have to explain the idea more than that but so far it sounds like centralization, something that has been discussed before with different names (physical bitcoins, paper bitcoin, bitcoin notes,...) in any case it never succeeds because it is highly risky and requires an enormous amount of trust in that centralized service that is "physically selling bitcoin".

No problem, you can work with me, I will bring your idea into reality by coding it into solidity. Please share it privately and I think we can go.

If I get in right, you are looking for a investors to help you finance your project?

You can look at this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fastercapital-helping-startups-get-up-and-running-and-prosper-5134674). I'm not connected with them, but it's worth to give it a shot and see how it goes for you. If could be a long process but who knows, maybe you can convince them specially if your idea is very unique.

In addition to the above advise giving to you by Shield, I will advise explaining in details in publishing correction the solution you said you figure out of making bitcoin payment in physical without the internet cause I'm curious either and I might also take part in funding if it really something new.
Meanwhile, there are some company which also fund peoples idea if it worth it and bench ICO is part of thise company.

oh ok nice. I am going to write part of my idea and I will be publishing it for this same topic so that I have the complete content. Thank you for your information, I will check the link you tell me.

Hello, I had some questions too but finally understood what you want.
You may find some investors here if you write shortly and correctly what's your idea and why do you (investor) have to invest in it, explain us why it will bring us profit and why it's must to invest option (good advice for you).
There is one thread Online startup accelerator, I don't know anything about them, have you checked it? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/online-startup-accelerator-5173860

Sorry for my bad English. in Spanish it is difficult to get assistance of any kind. However in a few words. What I am looking for a digital platform that finances ideas based on cryptocurrencies, in this case especially in bitcoin.
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Every company requires an economic investment, whether small, medium or large. A company is based on ideas. and to develop an idea there must be economic investment. In my case, I only have the idea. I don't have the money, nor a work team, much less a stability in my country. Therefore, I am interested in obtaining financing for the development of this idea, said financing will be based on the hiring of a working group and the development of a trial version of the functional project. and then create a real and functional project. However, that is why I am interested in knowing if there are reliable digital platforms, capable of financing this type of project.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the end, you're looking for an investment platform that accepts bitcoin or crypto to fund their project?

If that's a yes, then dude, that's what most of those ICO/IEO platform does. Almost every ICO or IEO can be bought with Bitcoin and other major cryptos.

Good afternoon community. I am mostly here because I would like to clarify some doubts. Although my idea seems unreal, for a long time I have been thinking about the possibility of making a bitcoin transaction if you are in a country or locality where some services such as the Internet or electricity (essential services for bitcoin fail. Something that commonly occurs in my country Venezuela) And I have found a possible solution, which would theoretically work by making purchases with bitcoin physically and taking advantage of functional services in these circumstances. However, I would like to know if there is any digital platform based on bitcoin, that can finance projects based on bitcoin or cryptocurrencies ?, it happens that my economic circumstances are not good, due to the serious economic situation in my country. However, I know that if my idea is functional (which I consider to be functional) we could face one of the ideas that revolutionize bitcoin services to make it grow much more than it already is. So, I would like to know, if there is any means or platform on which it is possible to present said project or part of it, to process its development? If it is more beneficial to create a token and try to reach the community through it? Or what other possibility could I have to help me develop this project? Thank you.


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Good afternoon, I'm Gabriel, from  Venezuela. I have the idea of ​​creating a physical function for bitcoin. Although it sounds somewhat absurd and impossible, I have thought and come to the conclusion that it is possible to develop a viable function for many countries and even give extra functionality to bitcoin.

As we all know, Bitcoin is a digital currency, so we require the use of the internet to made out transactions, and even make that bitcoin reach other people, in this way the economy works, someone has a product, another has the money, and if who has The money wants to buy a product,  simply processes your payment and receives your product. Really this basic rules work on the world of economics.

However, unlike the dollar or physical money, bitcoin has the disadvantage that there is no platform capable of generating a physical aspect for bitcoin which allows people to buy products directly with bitcoin without being connected to the internet. this being an important disadvantage for bitcoin and making its growth stand still.

In countries like Venezuela, due to the bad government, we have had to face very strong disadvantage and collapse situations that have ended up making each person take advantage of other person for survive, trying to adapt to the needs and the community in which they reside. A few months ago they began to cause failures in the electrical system and simultaneously failures in Internet services, creating a total collapse of the economy, even in the purchase devices with debit or credit cards. There was widespread chaos between internet services, electricity, and some communications systems. However, many telephone systems continued to operate, companies such as digitel, movistar, among other companies worked on 60-70% of the normal capacity without problems. remember that these services mostly work on a satellite basis, and if u around of the antennas the service work perfectly.

During this time I observed that bitcoin had a significant disadvantage to the dollar. But I also spent my time thinking about possible solutions for these schemes. and I found the possibility of believing that we can use the services that continue in operation to perform electronic links and generate bitcoin operations based on these functional systems.

My idea and project is based on what I think is possible and capable of creating a platform that generates codes through an offline digital application that connects to a synchronized server on the network. These codes should be generated under a cryptographic scheme, together with a pairing of devices (remember that mobile phones, even without electricity services can be charged from cars, electric generators, among other options, and their load yields approximately between 8 hours or even a few days) and, in turn, through an extra application, a text message will be sent with the generated code, which connects to a  national or international server that is constantly listening to these messages. At the time of the message to be received, the server must connect to the wallet of the generated code to execute a payment transaction between the paired pair and return a message indicating the success of the operation or failure thereof.

In a fews words, the moment system would work under this scheme:

Person-> Wallet (previously created and paired to device) -> Device (offline) -> Pairing (offline) <- Device (offline) <-Wallet (previously created and paired to device) <-Persona

Pairing (offline) -> cryptographic code (offline) -> AppRemote + NumTlf-> Text message sent to server-> Server listening

Server-> Validation of codes-> verification of balances-> transfer of funds-> return of text message with transaction and operation code.

If analyzed from this point of view, the operation is totally viable. Even in my country where there are so many generalized blockages, we can send international or national text messages. therefore the application can intelligently connect to digital operations easily. the idea can even be greatly improved because more powerful links with more data analysis could be created. security based aspects can be created. I have other ideas to greatly improve the operation of the system, but  we would have to detail many technical aspects of operation, monitoring, among other things. even sub-links could be created.

Now if you look at it from this point of view, we could even print cards or paper with the code generated by our applications, and make payments with those codes. (The idea doesn't sound so absurd anymore, right?)
All the money available to realice out this type of operations would also be controlled by people, even having an amount of btc per code generated in the application, to form individualization.  The idea is expansive. but, as I commented at the beginning of my article, my impediments are the following:

I do not have the money to finance the entire project (servers, links, domains, hosting,  development, design, hours of work, advertising, food, etc.)
I don't have the staff to collaborate in the development process
I don't have advertising contacts for the idea
I do not have economic stability to clearly dedicate my time to the development of the project.
I live in a corrupt country, so protect my identity as Satoshi Nakamoto did, It is merely important, for this reason as I said in previous messages i don't necessarily obtain recognition for the idea. but I do need to solve my economic problems, because I want to help my wife, children, parents and parents-in-law. I want to give them stability, just as I want to have it. This is why I am looking for someone interested in financing or buying this idea and who has the capacity to develop it, or even that finances me and allows me to development the idea.
I believe that the development of this project is really important for bitcoin, and would solve one of the disadvantages that this community has so far.
I do not have a stable internet service but it can be solved with a satellite internet system, if there is financing for the project.
I do not have stability in electrical services. but it is also a system that can easily be solved, with electric generators or a solar panel system.
In turn, if there are people interested in making such financing, I may be showing through this same forum or even an extra web page all the progress that is being made, work group, tests among other things that merit importance.

If there are people who wish to collaborate in the financing of the idea, they can contact me directly by PM, or even publish in this post, in turn I will leave one of my wallets in case there are people interested in donating in the project in any way. Or if there is anyone interested in buying the project, you can also contact me. If a sale is made, I will returning the money to the wallets of those who have made any kind of donation to said wallet. What I want is to create a solution that is accepted by people, and if for the most part people want me to develop the project and finance my idea, I have no problem in doing so and unlinki myself from the idea of ​​selling it.
I thank first to God and you for your time and put this whole project in God's hands.

BTC Wallet: 15VxBMg2iwsZKbdnKKCkro2bAFoRfweu68