Topic: Bitcoin Election - Will Trump release Dread Pirate Roberts - Debate this week (Read 1047 times)

Donald Trump has expressed his views on cryptocurrencies on several occasions. In some of his statements, he showed a negative opinion towards cryptocurrencies, as he considered them a threat to the US currency, the dollar. He also criticized the idea of ​​virtual currencies and considered that the matter requires greater regulation. This discrepancy in his positions clearly expresses his hesitation to take a precise position, as his political position was the determinant of his views each time. That is, when he was in power, he was not enthusiastic about cryptocurrencies and considered them a threat, then after leaving the White House and rejoining the race for the next presidential elections, he began to express his positive aspirations regarding them and made promises to provide greater legal and regulatory cover.

At the recent Bitcoin conference in Nashville, Trump's intervention was not significant, although the conference itself gained increased attention due to Trump's invitation to it. Many are still convinced that Trump is seeking to gain an electoral base that supports him as a presidential candidate, and I do not think that the crypto community really trusts his promises, no matter how easy they seem to achieve.

From a personal point of view, I believe that the opinion on cryptocurrencies will remain mixed, as some see them as the future of money, while others see them as a bubble or a speculative tool. In the United States in particular, it is unfortunate that the crypto space has turned from an emerging market that promises further development opportunities, into an electoral tool used by politicians according to their narrow interests. I also believe that the position of the Democrats is more transparent and consistent with the party’s policies, which do not trust cryptocurrencies and originally avoid engaging in them, even though this may help them in the electoral campaign to win the presidency.

In case people wondering what is the judgement made by US government regarding his case they can read it in this site https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ross-ulbricht-aka-dread-pirate-roberts-sentenced-life-federal-prison-creating

Although the sentence is bit harsh for him but I guess its time for the government to look at his case and check if he do well in prison. Since I still think that everyone deserve a second chance and I think Ross Ulbricht still deserve to consider. Maybe government could use his talent and able to track more illegal online activities. But still government has final say if they are already close with this chapter and think about he still deserve to rot on jail then I guess he can't do anything with it.

This had happened many years ago and all aspects of his case have been laid out enough that they even made several movies about the events leading up to his conviction and then arrest.

I had a post early on in this thread about one of those more popular movies yet not too accurate because it is hollywood afterall:

Ross Ulbricht was not convicted of murder for hire or attempted murder because the charges were dropped by the US attorney. But it was used as a media war against Ross and one can assume that it indirectly contributed to the harsh sentence he received. Portraying him as a murderous drug kingpin has also affected the support he is getting for the commuting of his sentence.

No doubt his creation (Silk Road) caused some level of harm to society but it was not all about drugs; it was also about privacy and freedom. I think he deserves a second chance because even convicted mass murderers have received lighter sentences. He has shown remorse and teaches maths and yoga in prison. Ross is also helping inmates to get out of drugs.

I also didnt know much about Ross until perhaps last month when some Youtube video showed up saying how he was tricked. After being involved in crypto for almost 10 years, I finally learnt what happened to him.

For those that dont know. There was someone scamming him for BTC. He also pretended to know of a hitman to get rid of someone who wants to leak some Silkroad member info. Ross didn't want this info leaked so he paid the hitman, however nobody was actually murdered, the individual was pretending. And this is what got him the long jail sentence. Because even though nobody actually died,  he still was willing to commit the crime.

@ChiBitCTy

Exact samething is happening to Pavel Durov a CEO of a platform where they took him into custody blaming him for what others are doing on telegram.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/8/28/a-dangerous-precedent-telegram-ceos-arrest-a-new-front-in-war-over-speech

Luckily he is out of custody and infront of a judge where they are in talks of what charges he will face:
https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/08/28/french-prosecutors-set-to-charge-or-release-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-on-wednesday

You can remember someone else who was in a similar situation who helped promote bitcoin's use scale in it's infancy?

Julian Assange -https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/6/26/history-illustrated-julian-assange-is-set-free

I have been very split on the whole “Free Ross” movement. One one hand Im all for less government and free markets, less laws (the war on drugs has been a massive disaster inside the United States), and I share a lot of Ross’s sentiments around this.

Silk Road’s effect on Bitcoin can’t be overstated. It did A LOT to bring Bitcoin to where it’s gotten, whether that was in a good or bad light.

On the other hand I’ve watched quite a few documentaries on Silk and Ross and it seems clear he deserves a healthy jail sentence and if he truly did hire a hitman (if true of course he was scammed in doing so) I don’t think he’s should ever be released. But , many claim this is propaganda against him and isn’t true

Any fans of Mr Robot (amazing television show) surely picked up on this, a clear Silk Road nod -   https://youtu.be/8qy2NqxKINc?si=IM0sw59nO0mVx5gm (just thought I’d share)

Advocating for a named candidate to win an election, which this thread absolutely is doing, is... politics.

And if you advocate for a candidate, you own everything that candidate is for, not just the one thing you happen to want from that candidate.

While it seems paradoxical, I continue to advocate that the Bitcoin community stay out of US partisan politics because there's simply no way to get near it without touching the extreme political polarization we have here. Trump is promising to change the lives of every single American in drastic ways if he is elected. Maybe you think that is what should happen, and that's a debate one can have. But the minute you bring in one of our political poles, that's the debate.

Bro, this is mostly an attack to the presidential candidates and not about what they will say during or after the debate. We want their platforms and one of them is letting Dread Pirate Roberts go. (which is why this thread is created)
I don't really care about them being senile or anything. I want to hear what they are planning to do with Ross (updates) and not about how old they are and that is why I am excited about the next debate that will happen against Kamala.

Look, you could put all this in the politics board and many forum members can answer you about those but here it's off topic because this thread will only be filled by those kind of things instead of the link about Ross.
Surely, you will find it amusing there in the politics board with so many members also talking about them.

I warned you on another of my threads now you are doing the exact same on this one.
Go promote your pump and dump shilly shitcoin if you have nothing else better to do.


Go create fud to your own threads on the politics child board.

Here's Trump the other day ranting about electric cars and sharks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsSb6g6QLg&t=408s

Totally. Senile.

He did not say he will pardon his sentence but commute (lower).

He may as well lower his sentence from "double life plus 40 years without parole" to "double life plus 20 years without parole".

Trump used his last presidency to line his own pockets, and he has shown, repeatedly through his life, that he does not care about anybody but his own enrichment and he's willing to sacrifice the entire country in order to make himself a little more money.

Think of that when you learn that Trump is getting himself, personally, into the crypto business. Imagine yourself competing with the President of the United States and the US government which he completely controls.

Go ask a Russian if they want to get into a business that Putin is already in.

Go ask a Chinese entrepreneur if they think it would be cool to compete with the CCP in their business.

That's what we would be up against if Trump wins. Outlawing Bitcoin and replacing it with Trump's own currency (his personal company, not the government's) would be very easy for Trump to do and would make him the richest man on the planet.

The safe thing for the business right now is to go with what we know has worked, even if it's not "perfect". In other words, Harris.

Trump promises nothing but disaster.

Well... There's no way we can find out if truly he's pro Bitcoin except if he wins the election. A politician will tell you what you want to hear just to get your vote. Trump may be all Bitcoin, given a good speech at the Bitcoin conference and also said he'd grant Ross Ulbricht presidential pardon if he wins the election but may not do any of this thereafter. The sad thing is, he can easily betray bitcoiners because this is his last tenure.

Trump is done and he knows it. He is slurring his speech and is incoherent on stage--and his crowd sizes are diminishing and people are bored by him. And Trump's whole thing has been his entertainment value, not anything of substance, except for a minority of people who vote for him because he will make abortion illegal in the USA.

There are three reasons Trump was winning before Biden quit:

1. Biden was a senile old man too--although he was never as senile as Trump is. But this made it hard for Biden to attack Trump over his age and mental decline. Harris has no problem pointing out decrepit Trump is today.

2. People forgot, temporarily, that Trump is a proven rapist, a convicted criminal, and attacked the US Capitol four years ago. Democrats are running ads refreshing the memories of Americans about all of this right now.

3. People didn't know what Trump actually stood for in terms of his policies. Now the Republican "Project 2025" is being widely disseminated (now by Republicans and Democrats), and people can read what Trump will do, e.g. banning abortion, deporting 11 million Americans including children who have never been to that country, and raising taxes on all Americans by placing huge tariffs on all imported good. Trump promises economic ruin with these radical policies, but before most Americans just saw a con man that they "felt" good about

Now that the election choice is getting real for Americans, Trump is losing. And he is too senile to figure out how to do anything else.

Trump threatens to pull out of Harris debate, hot mics an issue
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-threatens-pull-out-harris-debate-hot-mics-an-issue-2024-08-26/


This debate will happen but I don't know what is the issue over live mics and none live. I don't understand.
Anyway, I was actually waiting if the promise about Ross Ulbricht aka (Dread Pirate Roberts) will float again in this debate. Perhaps Trump will say it again to keep his strong support from the cryptocurrencies supporters especially the Bitcoin maximalists.

September 10 is the said date for it. I hope they can work it all out without a problem because I am really excited on whatever new things we will hear from both parties.

There was about an hour delay since he was sposse to take the stage at 3pm but think he arrived there at 4pm instead.
I would imagine at every conference or rally he has up until the November elections he will have heavy detail due to the attempt on his life and not have women who are shorter and thinner than he is. The man is 6 foot 3 inches and stocky.
So they will be having agents who are well over his height something such as 6 foot 5 inches and over 255 lbs I would assume going any further into crowds of people.
His security detail during that rally in Pennsylvania looked like something from an SNL skit somebody said and not for a potential presidential candidate or former president.
It did look like a circus if you watch what those two women agents did. One standing behind him of where the shot came from and the other couldn't even holster her firearm.
No wonder the head of the CIA was fired during that hearing two weeks ago.

Anyways, back to the subject at hand.
He did have a special guest as those at the conference were saying he was going to have and it wasn't Elon Musk.
It was senator Cynthia Lummis stipulating a Bitcoin Strategic Reserve Bill right after his speech.

This is the full video of that speech from Lummis:
Cynthia Lummis Unveils Bitcoin Strategic Reserve Bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ou_oxWsCcc

Okay, it seems like I missed that Bitcoin conference but I found news that a delay happened because of suspected people around.
Donald Trump's Crypto Speech Was Delayed Over 'Security Breach'—Andy Ogles
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-bitcoin-speech-security-breach-ogles-1931815

Reading about his plans on Bitcoin technology, I think it's just the same as what RFK Jr. said, accumulating as much as Bitcoin they can get and then using it as a reserve. I think the only difference is how they put it in words and their next plans after.
I like what he said about firing the SEC Chairman Gary Gensler because it's too obvious that man is against cryptocurrencies but he just won't admit it. He will just always say it's for security reasons but all his attacks seems studied and most of them are reputable companies.
Now the big question: If ever Trump wins, who will be the next SEC Chairman? That can change a lot of things and maybe in favor of Bitcoin this time.

If Bitcoin is subsidized by US taxpayers, then US taxpayers will want something in return, e.g. control of Bitcoin.

Inviting the US government into the Bitcoin community is utter madness.

It was a good move, if he can incentivize miners by giving them cheap energy, he will certainly be able to increase the number of miners in the US. This will help a lot in the fight against China.

Shockingly enough he mentioned about freeing Ross with time served once elected.
The speech made seemed like every other speech you had heard him make in the past expect he would put bitcoin and cryptocurrency in somewhere at places.
One take away from it was: Trump thinks every person who holds mined it themself.

Everything the audience says when he goes on stage will have to be followed, even if he doesn't do it when he's elected, but for now he needs to say that he will do everything they ask. It's a game.

Have a feeling once Trump takes the stage during this bitcoin conference people will start chanting Free Ross, Free Ross!
This just might be his starting point to get the crowd behind him and whatever he says after that will just be a calming breeze.

His sentence will be reduced by half!
From double life imprisonment plus 40 years to one life imprisonment plus 20 years  

He had a good drug business going on but failed his OpSec.
So many drug dealers and junkies loved his site, he was bringing happiness all over the world  


For something to die first it must be alive, Bitcoin has been dead for over a decade now when it comes to real world usage and not bot trading this pump & dump scam.

So here's what you people are saying you want:

1. The US federal government buys a ton of Bitcoin, giving current Bitcoin holders, including lots of Bitcoin billionaires, billions more dollars in profits.

2. US taxpayers get told this by populist politicians who would never let them forget that Trump just gave Elon Must billions of US taxpayer's money.

3. Those populist politicians will then demand that the money be given back to the taxpayers in the form Bitcoin being controlled by the US government, or them simply selling off the reserve, plunging the price of Bitcoin into a historical toilet.

4. At the end of this fiasco, no rational investor wants to buy Bitcoin ever again because the price is based on politics which can change in an instant.

In short, if the US Federal government did this, Bitcoin would be gone as a mainstream thing in about a year or two. Maybe all of you pump-and-dumpers here don't care, and look forward to riding this wave before getting out, and maybe this carries the day.

So.... maybe this is how Bitcoin actually... dies.

CNBC thinks Donald Trump will make Bitcoin a reserve currency
https://www.cryptopolitan.com/cnbc-donald-trump-bitcoin-a-reserve-currency/

A wild idea that could happen. Trump is trying to get the heart of cryptocurrency players and I think he is doing well as of now. Bitcoin is something that must not be ignored because there will no other cryptocurrency without it. C'mon let's face it, I know there will be people that will say I am wrong but without Satoshi we might not even heard about crypto until now.
I am not a Bitcoin maximalist but it is the truth. Now, if you want to keep that strong presidency even after you win, take the heart of all the crypto supporter even the memecoins buyers and you can take it to another level.

It seems that Trump is leading a successful election campaign by all standards, and all the factors surrounding him are helping him in that. His confirmation of attending the Bitcoin conference after surviving the assassination attempt will make him the star of the conference in a way that will not give a chance to the rest of the candidates who intend to attend the same conference. According to what I read, no Democratic Party figures will attend the conference, and therefore they will lose an important electoral base. Today, twenty Democratic representatives in Congress have officially asked Biden not to accept the party’s nomination for the presidency, which reflects the division in the Democratic Party that serves Trump as the most likely Republican candidate. All opinion polls indicate that Trump's popularity has increased even before the assassination occurred, because Biden is no longer able to convince the Americans of his eligibility after it became clear to them that his health was declining as a result of the many slips of the tongue he committed in his recent speeches.

 Despite all this enthusiasm, the conference has become an electoral tool for mobilizing votes, meaning that it may not have any outcomes that will be worked to achieve in reality later. Trump will attend the conference as a presidential candidate and not in any other capacity, since he is neither a technical nor a financial expert. Everyone will wait for Trump's intervention at the conference, which will undoubtedly be a speech in the form of election propaganda.

Once a soldier, always a soldier.

Good to know he is that exposed to have done a lot with and for his nation. You might find in him someone that would obey without complains and have some stiff believe in his ideas.
It doesn’t mark him a bad choice though, so long as his plans aligns with what is good for the people of America.
Either way, I see the combo to be some solid choice for the American people.

Vance has done a little bit of everything in his life. I believe he has the experience and stamina to be the vice president of a major power. He was a soldier and served in Iraq, and he also worked in venture capital in Silicon Valley.

Also, something that caught my attention was the donation he received from PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel.

By nominating Vance as vice president, Trump is sending a clear message that entrepreneurs will have some focus in his administration.

Here's a list of things Vance has said about Trump in the past:

"Does any dad (or future dad) want to look his daughter in the eye and explain why he voted for Trump"

“One of USA’s most hated, villainous, douchey celebs.”

“Monster”

“Nemesis of the GOP”

“I never liked him.”

“My god what an idiot."

"Noxious."

"Reprehensible"

Trump has chosen JD Vance to be his running mate for the 2024 election.
The guy is 39 years old and has had ties within silicon valley.

"Billionaire PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel was a big supporter of Vance during his Senate run, donating about $15 million—the largest amount ever to boost an individual Senate candidate... Vance is a firebrand known for his sometimes controversial rhetoric: After Trump was shot at on Saturday, Vance suggested in a tweet that President Joe Biden’s campaign strategy “led directly to President Trump's attempted assassination” by suggesting Trump “is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs.”
source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2024/07/15/jd-vance-picked-as-trumps-running-mate-heres-what-to-know-about-him

Next stop after these conventions is the BTC conference on July 25-27th:
https://bitcoin2024.b.tc/2024

"Trump’s appearance in Nashville has a clear message: The content of the conference is more important than the location. There are enough single-issue crypto voters out there to make a difference."
source: https://www.coindesk.com/opinion/2024/07/15/trumps-speech-at-bitcoin-conference-will-mark-a-pivotal-moment-for-crypto

If you search his post history, you'll see that he has made absurd claims about Trump releasing a hypothetical shitcoin (TrumpCoin) that will demolish Bitcoin!

Delusional is too little to describe his far-fetched scenarios...

Nobody can launch something that will rival Bitcoin. Not even BRICs.

Bitcoin was launched in special conditions back in 2009 that nobody will be able to replicate in the future. The cat is out of the bag.

I came here after the trump being shoot and the news is all over the place I basically a native Indonesia and never been to United States but believe me the news is all over social media from twitter tiktok Instagram heck even on tv.

After this attempt i dont know what going to happened this is juts my opinion other countries but i believe this attempt of assassin will blow up and make trump win Higher chance

He's delusional.
After that assassination attempt Trump has 75% chance of becoming the president.
If all crypto investors hate him so much and do not want him to win, why is it that so many of them donate to his campaign?
Founders of Kraken and Gemini exchanges and Bitcoin Magazine CEO are among the donators. I guess they aren't afraid of changes and changes are coming, especially in the SEC. If Trump wins Gensler will be replaced and many people, me included, would like to see this happen ASAP.

LOL!

Do you mind if I bookmark your post?

Are you also willing to take a bet? Let's say 1 BTC.

I don't believe BTC will go into the toilet. It will hit 6 digits in 2025 and 7 digits later this decade.

If you seriously believe BTC will go to zero, then taking this bet has zero risk for you. Zero value, easy payment.

But what if I'm right and you're wrong? Will you pay me 1 BTC?

Civil War is coming, whether we like it or not:



Source: https://brandonquittem.com/bitcoin-rhythms-of-history/

Crazy wokie girl: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGet5QkS8/

Lots of Karens will go crazy if Trump is reelected!

ps: It wasn't "Trump's" attack on US Capitol, it was a fake attack to make Biden look like the "savior" of "democracy".

There are videos out there that show policemen letting the "invaders" come in with zero resistance.

It was staged by the Deep State and I'm going to argue Trump's "assassination attempt" was also staged:



Lefties and righties are being played like a damn fiddle.

That is politics for you. And this is where prependal and primordial politics come to to play. But there is always a different between African Politics and American Politics. Yes Trump was in President when Ross was sentence to life imprisonment but probably he has not understand bitcoin to this level and now that he understands bitcoin then he will fulfill his promised to release him. Therefore I also support Donald Trump in this forthcoming US election. Trump is seems to support Bitcoin in his stay in power in the country and that will help the bitcoin community very well. Donald Trump will do well now.

And here I thought there will be not much violence physically because all the violence is happening on Tweeter/X and other platforms of social media only.

But seriously, this must stop. If you hate a person there's always other ways to show it but not through a gun.
Authorities used the gun from Trump assassination attempt to help identify the shooter, sources say

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-biden-trump-07-13-24/index.html

"Conflict of ideas."
The last time Donald Trump ran for president it was also chaotic, many Americans doesn't like him and I think it's half of the country if I remember correctly the reports at that time.

Whoever caught this photograph is damn brave and good at his job.

Evan Vucci of The Associated Press.
Perfectly aligned it with the flag flying. Superb.

If there is to be an American civil war, then surely Trump's attack on the US Capitol would have been the "beginning" of it...

I cannot believe people wish for their political opponent to be killed just because their ideologies do not align. What is wrong with you? If you want to win the election, then field a better candidate. That's democracy.

Is this the beginning of an American civil war, or is it an extreme degradation of the American society? Or both?

This argument only shows that the democratic party or its supporters fear defeat in the upcoming election. If you support this assassination, you are supporting an the US that should have more violence, more rebellion, and more terrorists. If you believe in the policies and believe in the leader you elect, why not expect a fair race? Why support such terrorist acts?

Let's ignore who masterminded this assassination, but everyone, including former President Obama and Biden, strongly oppose this because it only makes American politics more polarized. We need to condemn these things instead of supporting them and gloating because those who support this are no different from a terrorist.
https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1812271849893442018

With how the debate ended, I even doubt that Trump would probably even remember that very thing and not to mention that they're unlikely to be really capable of doing any of the decisions with their age already showing it's side effects, I think that this is a thing that we should look out for, I don't think that we would probably see some kind of pardon for Dread Pirate Roberts because once they're back in the Oval Office, I'm pretty sure that there's going to be more pressing matters that's going to be prioritized rather than this one and I don't think that the FBI and DEA would want that to happen so there's a possibility that they might look for a way to make sure that this will not happen, I think that he has to be pardoned though, I feel like it's been a long time coming and I think that second chances should be a thing.

Shooter was soooooo close to saving America. That was probably the last best chance to save America, unless Biden steps aside or Democrats grow a spine and push him out to get a viable candidate in for the election. If only that shooter was a little more skilled.

Some strange occurrence happened at a rally for Trump just about 30 minutes ago:
"Secret Service agents have rushed former President Donald Trump off stage after loud noises rang out at a rally in Pennsylvania.
Footage showed him grimace and raise a hand to his ear, before ducking as sharp cracks - apparently shots - broke out."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1d31jeyzlo

So even if he was going to make an appearance at a bitcoin conference later this month, I think he won't be shown in public after this incident. Or he will have a heavy detail put in place before the elections.

No, the Federal Reserve has nothing whatsoever to do with the US policy for cryptocurrency. Nothing.

Crypto policy, such as there is any here, is controlled by the SEC, the FTC, and the DOJ's enforcement of money laundering laws.

The United States’ position on Bitcoin and crypto in general is controlled by the policies of the Federal Reserve (the US central bank), which operates completely independently of the White House, and as far as I know, only one or two members of its administration are proposed by the president, which does not allow any decision to be made unilaterally. From any party, given that the state’s financial policy is clearly defined and any change is made by the consensus of several involved parties. As for the positions of politicians, I do not understand them except in the context of primarily achieving electoral goals, and we have an example here in Trump, who did not show acceptance of crypto during his rule, and today he is giving indications of the possibility of his administration accepting crypto if he wins the upcoming elections, which confirms that his intentions are... He mobilized as many votes as possible, and there is no real direction in his vision for his country’s future with crypto.

I am not saying that the American administration will not completely lift restrictions on companies operating in this field, but I am certain that it cannot allow laws that conflict with its financial policies, whether at home or abroad.

His head should be in the sand after his failed hosting of DeSantis' republican nomination on Twitter, instead of trying to host another debate that he will be roasted for when his infrastructure gets overwhelmed again.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-12/elon-musk-donates-to-trump-tapping-vast-fortune-to-swing-2024-race

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-donates-trump-super-pac-1235059581

@Reid As for the rematch without moderators. Yeah that is not going to happen.
Elon Musk is gloating on X over fumbles at Biden's 'big boy' press conference
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-gloating-after-biden-fumbles-press-conference-2024-7

All attacks are about their damn hobbies and their sugar level.

It's sad but his side is just being real. People are seeing him like that and I doubt they will vote a leader is getting weaker everyday. The decision to replace him is just right. They already know they are on the losing side so might as well make a decision that might enhance their chance to win the race.

Thank you for the link bro. I didn't know that exists. I will definitely support this one.

Donald Trump challenges Joe Biden to a debate without moderators
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cg3egr09z1rt
He will keep on attacking, he knows they cannot answer him. He is still in damn good shape and he is taking advantage of the weaker enemy. 

No @Reid they did not.

Not about Ross William Ulbricht aka. Dread Pirate Roberts nor about Bitcoin either.
They were too busy talking about their golf game and arguing who had a better handicap.

It was a no contest and many on the democratic side were even asking for Biden to be replaced as a presidential candidate for own their party. It was sad to see a leader of the country stammering and stuttering without even finishing a sentence at one point early on into the debate.

I would think at this point it would more optimistic to sign the petition at his website to see if he can be released:
https://freeross.org/

There is a petition to sign if we who want to see our fellow forum member freed before the position of presidents change hands.

^
I am having a hard time to find a news article that would tell the truth. It seems like most news outlets have a side and honestly some news are biased.

Anyway, I found this one.
Trump brags about debate performance while New York Times calls for Biden to drop out: Live
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-biden-presidential-debate-highlights-results-rally-b2571119.html?page=4
Biased or not?
Concerns flows about the age of Joe Biden and it's showing, honestly. I guess that debate made him lose some points. He is slower and sick while Trump still moves his lips like an Armalite.

Have you guys seen this?
Just for clarification.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91148739/crypto-traders-react-to-trump-biden-debate

Both meme coins plunged down after the debate. But I don't think that's all the reason behind it. It's meme coin, it should be worthless.

Did they talk about DPR? I might've missed it.

^^
Sure but one thing is common and at play here: Both involved bitcoin in raising awareness to the controversial subjects being addressed here.
That can not be denied can it be? I think not.

Trump Vs. Biden | DEBATE MEGA LIVESTREAM started and very much against the current presidency:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Wb-Z5rUeU

Two of the moderators for this debate are Jack Tapper and Dana Bash:

We're probably comparing oranges and bananas here. Julian's case was a lot different than Ulbricht's. And their sentences speak volumes as to the gravity of their crimes. Julian got only 62 months. Ulbricht has a double-life plus 40 years and without parole. Ulbricht won't be meted with such harsh a punishment for only creating a marketplace. So, demanding Ross to be freed because creating a free marketplace isn't a crime is probably oversimplification. Certainly, that's not taking into consideration the commissioned murders, for example.  

Anyway, Trump is a politician. We all know where these kinds of people excel best. I don't know if he even knows the case of Ross before spewing hollow promises for votes. I'm not sure but can a president even free a convict that has double life sentence plus 40 years and without parole?

@legiteum
Interesting take but things can be seen from many angles especially with politics involved.

Will be very interesting to see the political debate which is hosted by CNN so they might not want to even have BTC mentioned since they are pure shills towards the current presidency who are allowing them to broadcast their news.

https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1806387379000967366

@el kaka22
Maybe this is why Trump didn't want to touch his case while in office. For all those points made.
But now that bitcoin is worth alot more since then and it is a driving factor towards an economy that has turned it's back on the American dollar such as in Saudi Arabia has ceased to trade using it, then his stance has changed.

@coolcoinz
That's why people have started to question why Julian Assange was freed for so called crimes against whole countries governments with classified information causing disruptions to their regimes while DDR is still sitting in jail many years later.

Bitcoin Historian has already posted Julian Assange life's progression:
https://x.com/pete_rizzo_/status/1805651218204680469

Look at the first page of this thread, you will see a snapshot to this very thread where I had started to compare the two freedom fighters:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64261703




Presidential debate happening in the next few hours. I see it playing out like this with these two:

https://x.com/INCVivekSingh/status/1806000816979132723

That's why Ross shouldn't be free. Let's face it, he broke the law and the worst part was paying for that murder they later staged.

That said, he shouldn't get life. Pedophiles who take advantage of their own children get 10 years. Murderers often get 10 to 15. Rapists can get as little as 5.
He paid someone to kill a guy who owed him money and run an illegal site. Does he deserve life sentence? No.
That's obviously a mistake of the justice system and a politically motivated verdict that was supposed to warn other people what could happen to them if they choose this line of work.

I do love bitcoin, and I have been here since 2013 as well. So nobody can question my love for bitcoin, I wouldn't dare to entertain that. However, can someone please explain to me why should DPR be released? Was the charges bogus and fake? Because if the charges were fake, then I would understand why he should be released. But, if he is the person that made it possible for anyone to do any illegal services on his platform, including some things 100% of the population would agree very wrong, it wasn't just weed, it was terrible stuff. Why? Why should he be released?

I just do not understand the point of these bitcoiners who like to see everyone who did wrong in the bitcoin world to be released as a "win", no that is not how it works, if a person is bad then they are bad.

Yes, he was left in prison under president Biden because Biden doesn't take bribes.

Trump does. And will do some more if he wins.


Yes, please follow the bread crumbs: they lead to a prison cell.

SBF tried to bribe Biden and the Democrats and it didn't work because Biden and the Democrats support law and order.

Trump pardoned numerous criminal associates of his because they donated to him.

These characters could not be more opposite.

This will never happen due to Sam Bankman Fried aka. SBF donating millions to the Biden administration for them not touching him. Sort of a pay-off in a way, it was his own protection money.
Which ultimately back fired on him because he ended up in jail anyways.

His mother was caught in political meddling aswell but never received any prosecution.
So that tells you some of that hush money worked in his parents favor.
They were all in on funding Biden's administration one way or another. You just need to follow the bread crumbs.
That is how the political landscape is even though many will say it is just.

Well no, it is actually all about money and power.

If Trump sees it will get him back into office he will say he will release Dread Pirate Roberts only if it will secure voters to sway the election in his favor.
It is all about how these pieces will play into this election. He obviously doesn't care for Ross's well being and sees him as a crook and somebody who got caught. He should know now that he too himself is a convicted criminal.

Today is the debate so we can only see what the orange man will say and if it will be about the orange coin.

Yes, and since he cannot join the group of those two running for President, he needs to act that is also about cryptocurrencies.
Here he goes.
Biden administration brings back past crypto adviser Carole House
https://cryptoslate.com/biden-administration-brings-back-past-crypto-adviser-carole-house/

Again, the same question. Why now? These guys, they are all funny.

It looks like the candidates for President are all targeting about cryptocurrencies because they know the people are hooked there so they are using this strategy to get their votes. I don't even know if it's working. People are wiser now especially those who are into crypto. Because you need to be wise or else you will be scammed or rug pulled.

I guess it's all about cryptocurrencies now and it's just normal that a new president should know something about it too.

I was talking about the debate of whether Roberts deserves to be in jail or not.  For so long no body cared and all of a sudden the candidate for United States Presidency is implicating his name in this situation?  Why did they never care but suddenly do in the Election Year?  If they did not until now, how are we supposed to believe they will do something if Trump wins the Presidency?

I get to this conclusion by observing the sum total of everything Trump did in his first term as president, and then everything he has done his entire life.

Trump is a criminal--a convicted criminal. And his current conviction is just the tip of the iceberg. In his first term he tried to trade Ukraine away to slaughter in exchange for... moderately helping his reelection bid by forcing them to start an investigation into Biden. Trump was willing to trade away the security of the United States, in other words, for a few votes. He was willing to burn our Capitol building down in order to retain the presidency--even though this weakened us as a country. He didn't care how bad this was for our country. He just wanted to stay in office.

All of the prominent figures Trump pardoned in his first term were either his campaign associates or large donors. Trump is for Trump, not the USA. This is unlike any previous American president, by the way.

Sorry to say but do you even know what this debate is about?
It is a political debate so it all about Politics. The main reason for this topic in the subject: Trump vs Biden's debate this Thursday.

Was actually watching the movie about what had happened prior to his arrest and what was portraited to have occurred, well by hollywood.
It reminded also reminded me of the post I had made when this movie was released back in 2021.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56384401

There had been several documentaries about it as one comes to mind called Deep Web narrated by Keeanu Reeves of all people from 2015.

So it was and still is a popular and highly debated topic.

And how did you get to this conclusion?

I rather believe Trump uses his name before the Elections so he could get more votes.  The typical promises of a Politician, followed by never accomplishing any of them at all.  Trump has enough money to not care about the little amount he can get from Roberts.

You're on the wrong forum if you think open trading is bad because government said it's bad.


THIS is the most retarded thing I have read in this year.


At least he would have some hope.

For average Joe life will be miserable no matter which president will be running this circus, if there's a chance for helping Ross - I would vote for Trump.
But even on this forum there are lefties who hate Trump so much that they will be against him anyway.
I'm not USA citizen (fortunately) so can't vote, but if I could I would vote for Trump.

That's a really smart move for Trump, to continue to appeal to the crypto community with this one but I feel like this is a bit of a stretch because I feel like Ross doesn't deserve the pardon for his crimes, didn't he at that time threatened someone because they're about to expose them? Plus, the crimes that he committed creating a website that enables drug traffickers and other heinous people to put their goods and services in a much more easier access. I feel like this isn't the right move for Trump in the long run.

Trump will only pardon him if it's good for Trump, e.g. that Ross will be able to pay Trump a lot of money. If he doesn't have any money, he'll rot in jail forever, regardless of whether he deserves leniency.

The real danger is Trump pardoning other crypto criminals like SBF in exchange for money. This will send the price of Bitcoin into the toilet because average investors will know they can be swindled and the crypto-criminals will get away with it--so you are better off putting your money in a well-known bank.

Putting fraudsters in jail makes signals to investors that the market is stable and fair.

If Trump is elected, every average investor in the USA will bail out of Bitcoin because they know the fix will be in, and Trump will rig the market in his favor.

I do agree Ross should not be imprisoned or have such a harsh sentence.  But implicating Politics in this debate is not a good look in my eyes.

It is not the first time Trump is using these ways to make many people steer the wheel toward his vote.  Only if he did do something about Bitcoin or Cryptocurrencies generally while he was President.  Only if he cared about Ross back when he was the President.  But he did not.  What makes you believe he would this time around?

No, he obviously doesn't.
It is to gain the popular vote. Before it was another group you can insert your own narrative there.
Now they are the bitcoiners and the ones who are tired of Biden and the way things have been run under his presidency.


He is said to be attending a bitcoin conference in July along with others in politicians so to garner these voters who want a change and see bitcoin as the catalyst of this new revolution to overthrow the old:
https://dailycoin.com/trump-to-speak-at-bitcoin-2024-after-pro-crypto-u-turn

8 years ago, Trump did not need support from Bitcoin enthuasiasts to beat H. Clinton but this year, he needs it. Bitcoin adoption has become bigger than 8 or 4 years ago and Trump saw chance and risk of successfully attract Bitcoin investors, cryptocurrency investors to gain more votes in November.

This can be important factor to decide the winner, Elected President, between Trump and Biden. Trump aims att he big community, not DPR.
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Dread Pirate Roberts arrested since 2013, while Trump had become president of the US from 2017-2021, if he want to release DPR, why he didn't do it when he was become US's president?

It's completely clear he don't give a shit to DPR, all he wants is to get sympathy from Bitcoin enthusiast and encourage them to vote him.

Lmao, unfortunately Biden can't join the group because he's already the president.

When a person begins to talk too much inorder to gain the attentions of so many, then there should be a question mark to all what has been said so far. Trump has really been talking tough, and stating so many things that he will do the moment he is elected. I won't be surprise at all if he doesn't do most of this things that are been stated,. But remember that internet never forgets.

Why now? Not when he is running for President last time and he won. Is it because of the hype and popularity of Bitcoin especially when the ETF was approved? Yes, there's no other reason for doing this.

I think Trump is trying to get the votes of all the Bitcoin maximalist and the supporters of Ross. And this is another way to bring down his opponent Biden because of the bad image of him in the cryptocurrency community.
But here is the problem, Trump is not so clean too, he was also against cryptocurrencies and just saying he has a change of heart. Well yeah, you will change your heart if you are running for president and trying to get more supporters. They made this politics like Hollywood, all fake, all drama, all scripted, and it's all to manipulate the votes.
Let's say he wins and release him, what's next?
Oh, and RFK Jr. said the same thing.

https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1803884253593374747

There is a general belief among some Bitcoiners that Donald Trump has repented from his bad views about Bitcoin. He wants all future Bitcoin to be mined in the US. Trump made this promise to please Libertarian voters who have been campaigning for the legalization of drugs and the release of Ross Ulbricht. Politicians cannot be trusted but this promise is good enough to make him get votes from Bitcoiners and supporters of Ross.


Joe Biden is also doing all he can to remain in the White House. This is the nature of politicians. My only concern is Trump's willingness to fulfill his promise of commuting the sentence of Ross Ulbricht when he gets to the White House.

I've discussed Ulbricht's case with some people just recently. Overall, I don't think people like him should be in prison, let alone have a life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. His crime was non-violent, but I also do understand why he got such a harsh punishment. He challenged the system a lot by defying the court, making a marketplace what doesn't need any governmental oversight and selling, among other things, opiates. Opiates are a very sensitive topic in the US because they still have overdose deaths on the rise. Still, a guy like that would be more useful working for the country, not against it or rotting in prison.
But as for Trump, I simply don't trust him. I think he's just being a populist, telling people what they want to hear to win more votes in the upcoming elections. And then, once he's in power, he can continue doing what he always did, and that's not being pro-Bitcoin and not being libertarian. Also, commuting the sentence could be a possibility of parole without him actually getting parole, for example. He didn't say he'd pardon him or otherwise free him.

That was just point 16. Scroll up to read the rest of the timeline too Ross's plight while being jailed.
Don't know if this was during the Obama years but he did show where he spent 6 weeks of his conviction:

https://twitter.com/pete_rizzo_/status/1798429617327599655

Will Trump return to the White House as a next President?

We don't know about it now and if he won't become a next President of the USA., this debate on future of Dread Pirate Roberts is non sense. 

Trump is trying to do everything he can to attract USA. citizens and turn them to his supporters. He will use any mean he can to get as many votes as possible. What will he do, what will be future of Dread Pirate Roberts should be discussed after he becomes a next elected President.

Lol : "A vote for Trump means Ross could be free"

It's not far from begging votes at that level.

"The Bitcoin Historian" should remind us where Ross slept and spent his time, during Trump's years in White House?

Edit: Apparently cynicism is not understood by all here, I was implying that Trump already had the opportunity to free him when he was President; and that trying to scrape up votes like that now is ridiculous 

With it being an election year and bitcoin being one of the main catalysts in this and highly debated with subjects in the spotlight from it reaching it's all time high recently to it's regulation spurring debate among it's prime candidates on whether they should adopt or fight CBDC in the American financial system.

One thing that the former president had presented for his re-election did catch my eye:
Whether or not to pardon Ross Ulbricht of his crime for running the Silk Road?

http://www.x.com/pete_rizzo_/status/1798429637548425394

With the presidential debates looming to happen this week and Elon Musk has stated he will host it on his social media platform X:
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/elon-musk-says-trump-calls-him-and-is-a-cybertruck-fan-11718323323191.html
No mention of any questions about cryptocurrency would be presented but it would be speculation if not mentioned with all the political red tape from the SEC to his own Trump Pump to not have it spoken about:
https://apnews.com/article/debate-trump-biden-what-to-watch-366ccaf83068a3c64e262bcca945d6ae