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hero member
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Livecasino.io
Today at 11:06:37 AM
#9
Escrows nomenclature is to persist trusts and deals are made accordingly.
I actually like the idea of a multisignature escrow. I have read a little about it and I think it is the best thing that has been invested. When it comes to a being honest with money or in this case bitcoin, it is like pouring grease in a bucket of water they never mix. I think that this idea may have even been in existence long before it became used by Satoshi. And even in ecommerce, it is still being used in some form. Anyone who is interested can read up on this decentralized P2P trading network that uses BTC, called OpenBazaar. That's how they work.

sr. member
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Baba God Noni
Today at 10:15:46 AM
#8
Using escrow for payment is when there is no trust between the parties involved for smooth transaction an escrow is needed. You should also know that paying fee for escrow is not cheap because they are to make sure that nothing happens to your funds in their custody.

You can also use escrow when you don't know how to secure your wallet if funds are sent to you for business so that you will not lose the funds incase your wallet is vulnerable to attack.
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Today at 09:39:21 AM
#7
Then there's no difference with 2 of 3, 3 of 3, 3 of 5, etc etc because the dishonest buyer can work together with other dishonest people who own the keys.
There is difference because wi-sth more co-signers in a multisig wallet, it's harder to scam.

If you have a trade with a trade partner, if that person is scammer, you will lose money if you are not careful.
If you have a trade with a trade partner, but the fund is escrow by 2 or 3 co-signers, it will be harder to scam successfully because it needs more people cooperate together to scam. It will start with what people picked to be co-signers. They must be reputable people to be add as co-signers of the funding wallet.

This is the Satoshi post that you are referring to: Escrow
Escrow in Satoshi Nakamoto post, his idea years ago is very different than Escrow nowadays.
hero member
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Today at 09:33:42 AM
#6
People not abandon this idea, but it's just unpopular because it's not efficient. Let's say you're want to sell your coins for fiat and I'm interested to trade with you, how do we find the trusted person that not have any relationship with both of us? we know there are many trusted users here, but for other people that are not familiar with this forum will think all users are the same.

2 by 2 escrow as Satoshi said can make honest person still lose. Because the honest person getting their fund depends if the other person wants to be honest. A dishonest buyer can get goods for example and still burn the BTC in escrow.
Then there's no difference with 2 of 3, 3 of 3, 3 of 5, etc etc because the dishonest buyer can work together with other dishonest people who own the keys.
sr. member
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Today at 09:13:28 AM
#5
I read something called multisignature escrow, which should be what Satoshi stood for. Why did we abandon the Satoshi idea of escrow?
Bitcoin in a financial climate transactions is driven by its users in the Blockchain with no autonomy having the mandates of bridging progressive transactions that maybe unwillingly within both parties of the receiver or the sender during transmission of funds.

Escrows nomenclature is to persist trusts and deals are
made accordingly.
legendary
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Nec Recisa Recedit
Today at 08:15:46 AM
#4
You can made all transactions you want without third party since escrows are offering their services most of the times ... for objects and not itself for the payment.

A bitcoin transfer can be verified easily by anyone. Meanwhile you cannot verify an items has been shipped, is the original one and so on.
jr. member
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Today at 08:08:56 AM
#3
This is the Satoshi post that you are referring to: Escrow

Satoshi was not taking about 2of3 multisig but 2of2. You can read the Satoshi post again so that you can understand better. Just like you have said, Satoshi prefer bitcoin to be of no third party.
Thank you for sending this link. I have never come across this post, I got the idea of satoshi escrow in an article by 99bitcoin if I am not mistaken. 2 by 2 escrow as Satoshi said can make honest person still lose. Because the honest person getting their fund depends if the other person wants to be honest. A dishonest buyer can get goods for example and still burn the BTC in escrow.

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I like the idea but I will prefer 2of3 multisig. People on this forum prefer custodial escrow but there are many people on this forum that do not know how multisig wallet works.
I have not tried it but I will like to try it. But from the explanation of it, it doesn't look like something that will be so difficult.
legendary
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Lightning network is good with small amount of BTC
Today at 07:39:38 AM
#2
This is the Satoshi post that you are referring to: Escrow

The satoshi idea is using a Bitcoin wallet that requires multiple keys to release the funds. The buyer, seller, and an escrow agent (third party) each hold one private key. To release the funds, two out of three must sign the transaction, reducing the need for trust.
Satoshi was not taking about 2of3 multisig but 2of2. You can read the Satoshi post again so that you can understand better. Just like you have said, Satoshi prefer bitcoin to be of no third party.

I like the idea but I will prefer 2of3 multisig. People on this forum prefer custodial escrow but there are many people on this forum that do not know how multisig wallet works.
jr. member
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Today at 07:24:13 AM
#1
I was reading the bitcoin whitepaper bit by bit and I understood the idea of satoshi, why he created bitcoin. The whole idea is eliminating the third party and to avoid trusting a centralized authority. This is financial liberty.
But in this forum and also in exchanges, I have seen where third party holds fund (escrow agents, exchange P2P). And the third party has 100% power to do anything with the fund. This is centralization and big trust on the third party.

I read something called multisignature escrow, which should be what Satoshi stood for. Why did we abandon the Satoshi idea of escrow?

Check the first comment for Satoshi idea of escrow.

The satoshi idea is using a Bitcoin wallet that requires multiple keys to release the funds. The buyer, seller, and an escrow agent (third party) each hold one private key. To release the funds, two out of three must sign the transaction, reducing the need for trust.
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