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Quote from: x86Daddy on November 27, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

Been working on an idea for a little while, and I just published it... http://bitcoinfiresafe.com/
https://i.imgur.com/W3VkbTN.jpg?1
Basically, the idea is to make something much more secure against environmental damage than a paper wallet. I built some custom code and have made some prototypes, and at this point, I'm ready to offer some to the public. Given that Bitcoin Black Friday is kicking off, and we're launching at the same time, I'm offering it for a deep discount of 40% off the normal $50USD price.

If anyone has some suggestions or questions, please let me know!

Update! We created a stainless steel version! It's melting point makes it extremely robust.
https://i.imgur.com/Va97LQtl.jpg

The small size and pendant hole makes it easy to store or hide using a nail or screw.

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beautiful and wonderful idea!
Amazing!

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I actually bought a firesafe for my paper wallets.

0_o

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Quote from: CryptoNames on April 19, 2014, 04:35:57 PM

Would you mind if we included these on our website - OfflineWallets.com

Feel free to PM. Thanks

Go right ahead; thanks!

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Would you mind if we included these on our website - OfflineWallets.com

Feel free to PM. Thanks

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We're a small business, so Tungsten Carbide is probably out of our grasp for the long term; the technology is too costly (for now). We have done some work with Titanium as part of another business venture, but there are a couple of complications:

Working at the very fine detail level is more costly and problematic, as drills and endmills are more prone to snapping
Sourcing Titanium in the small sizes, uniformly and reliably, is proving difficult.

We're not ruling out Titanium, but it doesn't have a greenlight as our next product yet.

Meanwhile, our stainless option is now available! It's melting point makes it extremely robust.

The small size and pendant hole means that it can also be securely stored, or hidden nearly anywhere using a nail or screw.

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I just spent some time searching the internet for jewelers that sell small titanium dog tags with engraved QR codes. It's funny that I have gone full circle and coincidentally ended up back at the bitcoin forum.

I think the 1" stainless steel safe is a great idea and plan on making a purchase. I have one question though. Do you plan on or can you offer safes in any other materials like titanium or tungsten carbide?

Personally, a 1" titanium pendant with a titanium bail would be perfect. Maybe with encrypted private key on one side and plain QR code of bitcoin address on other

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Well, even if the photo is shared, they would still need the password. Short ones are vulnerable. Long ones are probably secure, as long as it's not their dog's name, or anything in any book or the "crackable" type; meaning completely random.

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Quote from: bitpop on January 10, 2014, 10:40:23 PM

Id worry about people Instagramming theirs

Very good point. We have a couple warnings on the site to not share even a partial photo of a delivered Firesafe.

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This looks awesome Cheesy

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Quote from: nanobtc on January 10, 2014, 09:50:49 PM

A bump for the OP, great product, great service. I got some during the sale. I have had no problem scanning them for verification.

We really appreciate that! Glad you enjoy them.

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Id worry about people Instagramming theirs

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A bump for the OP, great product, great service. I got some during the sale. I have had no problem scanning them for verification.

x86Daddy

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Thanks for all the questions and comments, and thanks to our customers who've already placed orders! We're in the middle of the USA, so we'll keep the sale going until midnight Pacific Time today.

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Quote from: ajax3592 on November 30, 2013, 04:10:29 AM

Did you test scan the engraved QR code, is it working?

Yes indeed. I get best results holding my cell phone about a foot away from the firesafe.

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And, hey, you can use the leftovers for scrabble tiles if you put the scrabble point values on them.

There are some serious scrabble freaks out there who would pay good money for an etched metal set.

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Quote from: eldentyrell on November 30, 2013, 03:09:13 AM

Quote from: x86Daddy on November 27, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

Been working on an idea for a little while, and I just published it...

Neat! I had a similar idea but yours looks way cooler.

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on November 28, 2013, 02:20:19 PM

in the end it always comes down to the fact that if you give someone the private key to etch/engrave/print, it's not secure…. Hard to imagine a way around this before 3d printers take off.

No, there's a way around that. It doesn't not look nearly as cool, but I didn't have to buy a laser engraver or trust the dude who operated it.

That was very interesting, although admittedly a very COMPLICATED way around it. :-) But I like the idea of the user making it themselves.

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Did you test scan the engraved QR code, is it working?

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Quote from: x86Daddy on November 27, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

Been working on an idea for a little while, and I just published it...

Neat! I had a similar idea but yours looks way cooler.

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on November 28, 2013, 02:20:19 PM

in the end it always comes down to the fact that if you give someone the private key to etch/engrave/print, it's not secure…. Hard to imagine a way around this before 3d printers take off.

No, there's a way around that. It doesn't not look nearly as cool, but I didn't have to buy a laser engraver or trust the dude who operated it.

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Quote from: alp on November 29, 2013, 09:56:22 AM

Quote from: wumpus on November 29, 2013, 02:32:39 AM

Quote from: alp on November 28, 2013, 06:05:10 PM

What is the point of a QR code rather than an encrypted private key? Less likely for someone to memorize a QR code than a long private key?

The QR code IS the private key, just encoded in a visual format easy to parse by machines.
It's also an option to put the 64 hex digits into a slab of metal, but to use it you'd have to type them or use (less reliable) OCR.

I figured it was the key or an encrypted version of the key, but it seemed like typing them in would be less error prone than a camera trying to read the dots on steel. Maybe I'm wrong that it's entirely readable with a camera now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code#Error_correction

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Quote from: CryptoNames on November 27, 2013, 05:29:44 PM

Simple, yet brilliant!

Totally agree it looks awesome!

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Quote from: Relian on November 29, 2013, 10:15:22 AM

It indeed is a great idea, but how do you come around giving the private key to someone else. Should be perfect when 3d printing comes available to the big crowd!

With the BIP38 standard, you don't have to give your private key to anyone... you encrypt it with a passphrase that you keep, and we embed the encrypted key in metal.

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Dude this slab reminded me of the movie Indiana Jones and the lost ark, i guess in 10-15 years we will be stealing such slabs of crypto keys from each other Grin

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Nice innovative idea

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It indeed is a great idea, but how do you come around giving the private key to someone else. Should be perfect when 3d printing comes available to the big crowd!

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Quote from: wumpus on November 29, 2013, 02:32:39 AM

Quote from: alp on November 28, 2013, 06:05:10 PM

What is the point of a QR code rather than an encrypted private key? Less likely for someone to memorize a QR code than a long private key?

The QR code IS the private key, just encoded in a visual format easy to parse by machines.
It's also an option to put the 64 hex digits into a slab of metal, but to use it you'd have to type them or use (less reliable) OCR.

I figured it was the key or an encrypted version of the key, but it seemed like typing them in would be less error prone than a camera trying to read the dots on steel. Maybe I'm wrong that it's entirely readable with a camera now.

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Quote from: x86Daddy on November 28, 2013, 02:15:40 PM

A bit above 1200F, Classic Safe 934 begins to melt. We're currently prototyping Classic Safe 1783 which doesn't melt until the temperature is above 2700F. The product pages have additional details.

Ok nice!

Quote from: alp on November 28, 2013, 06:05:10 PM

What is the point of a QR code rather than an encrypted private key? Less likely for someone to memorize a QR code than a long private key?

The QR code IS the private key, just encoded in a visual format easy to parse by machines.
It's also an option to put the 64 hex digits into a slab of metal, but to use it you'd have to type them or use (less reliable) OCR.

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Quote from: crazy_rabbit on November 28, 2013, 07:04:29 PM

Quote from: 501 on November 28, 2013, 06:22:00 PM

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on November 28, 2013, 02:20:19 PM

It's a great idea, I've been working on some similar products but in the end it always comes down to the fact that if you give someone the private key to etch/engrave/print, it's not secure. If you password protect it, it defeats the purpose somewhat of having a backup.

Hard to imagine a way around this before 3d printers take off.

You could write down the password in a way that only you would understand, then laminate that and stuff it in a magazine in your attic. Even if someone finds the password paper (which they won't) they won't understand it anyway. And as if a common street thug who breaks into your house is even going to care about stealing this thing that looks like a paperweight.

Yes, but a bulk of the reason behind these types of 'backups' is that in the event you're hit in the head, in a coma, or more realistically: forget your password (old age, not using the password for years, etc) you can still get your BTC. If you have to password protect it, you're still at risk for losing everything.

True. You could just write down a password clue for yourself that isn't too complicated, for example if your name is "joe miller" write down the clue "___ miller" (obviously this is a ridiculous example, but it's just an example). It would be almost impossible to not be able to crack the password yourself, but a common thief would be at a loss.

Now yeah, if you get hit in the head and have total amnesia for the rest of your life, then you would probably forget the answers to the password clues, but I think that's such a highly unlikely scenario that it's unnecessary to plan for it.

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That is one cool wallet. I want one

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Quote from: 501 on November 28, 2013, 06:22:00 PM

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on November 28, 2013, 02:20:19 PM

It's a great idea, I've been working on some similar products but in the end it always comes down to the fact that if you give someone the private key to etch/engrave/print, it's not secure. If you password protect it, it defeats the purpose somewhat of having a backup.

Hard to imagine a way around this before 3d printers take off.

You could write down the password in a way that only you would understand, then laminate that and stuff it in a magazine in your attic. Even if someone finds the password paper (which they won't) they won't understand it anyway. And as if a common street thug who breaks into your house is even going to care about stealing this thing that looks like a paperweight.

Yes, but a bulk of the reason behind these types of 'backups' is that in the event you're hit in the head, in a coma, or more realistically: forget your password (old age, not using the password for years, etc) you can still get your BTC. If you have to password protect it, you're still at risk for losing everything.

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Looking great now implant in inside of your wall and you're good to go. Best hiding place.
Unless you just want to display it with a small amount of BTC in it.

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Cool, I hadn't thought of that.

I have a milling machine that could put a QR code on a ceramic tile, or with the right bit, even onto a plain brick. *Thats* firesafe to a huge temperature.

Ibian

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Why not just distribute some encrypted backups to family and mail yourself a copy? Keeping your key in a safe doesn't seem... safe, comparatively.

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I have access to laser cutters that can cut into aluminium and was thinking about making some private key sheets of aluminium to sell.

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Quote from: crazy_rabbit on November 28, 2013, 02:20:19 PM

It's a great idea, I've been working on some similar products but in the end it always comes down to the fact that if you give someone the private key to etch/engrave/print, it's not secure. If you password protect it, it defeats the purpose somewhat of having a backup.

Hard to imagine a way around this before 3d printers take off.

You could write down the password in a way that only you would understand, then laminate that and stuff it in a magazine in your attic. Even if someone finds the password paper (which they won't) they won't understand it anyway. And as if a common street thug who breaks into your house is even going to care about stealing this thing that looks like a paperweight.

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Quote from: x86Daddy on November 27, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

Been working on an idea for a little while, and I just published it... http://bitcoinfiresafe.com/

Basically, the idea is to make something much more secure against environmental damage than a paper wallet. I built some custom code and have made some prototypes, and at this point, I'm ready to offer some to the public. Given that Bitcoin Black Friday is kicking off, and we're launching at the same time, I'm offering it for a deep discount of 40% off the normal $50USD price.

If anyone has some suggestions or questions, please let me know!

What is the point of a QR code rather than an encrypted private key? Less likely for someone to memorize a QR code than a long private key?

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You could do a much better job with one of these.

http://www.us.trumpf.com/en/products/laser-technology/products/marking-lasers.html

http://www.us.trumpf.com/en/products/laser-technology/products/marking-lasers/workstations/trumark-station-1000.html

We have one in our lab at work and it makes perfect QR codes on everything from plastic to titanium.

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It's a great idea, I've been working on some similar products but in the end it always comes down to the fact that if you give someone the private key to etch/engrave/print, it's not secure. If you password protect it, it defeats the purpose somewhat of having a backup.

Hard to imagine a way around this before 3d printers take off.

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Quote from: wumpus on November 28, 2013, 03:51:58 AM

This looks very nice.

Can you quantify the fire-safeness? At what temperature will it melt/deform?

A bit above 1200F, Classic Safe 934 begins to melt. We're currently prototyping Classic Safe 1783 which doesn't melt until the temperature is above 2700F. The product pages have additional details.

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This looks very nice.

Can you quantify the fire-safeness? At what temperature will it melt/deform?

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Nice.

Are they only offered in circular black dots? Aren't traditional QR codes in black squares?

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Quote from: WayTooGosu on November 27, 2013, 06:57:50 PM

This is pretty neat. How did you get the QR code onto that sheet of metal?

Technomancy... Grin

Specifically a custom code generator feeding a CNC milling machine, followed by a painting process.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on November 27, 2013, 07:02:05 PM

Quote from: x86Daddy on November 27, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

Been working on an idea for a little while, and I just published it... http://bitcoinfiresafe.com/

Basically, the idea is to make something much more secure against environmental damage than a paper wallet. I built some custom code and have made some prototypes, and at this point, I'm ready to offer some to the public. Given that Bitcoin Black Friday is kicking off, and we're launching at the same time, I'm offering it for a deep discount of 40% off the normal $50USD price.

If anyone has some suggestions or questions, please let me know!

That's pretty cool. How much do they weigh?

This model weighs 1.1 oz.

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Quote from: x86Daddy on November 27, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

Been working on an idea for a little while, and I just published it... http://bitcoinfiresafe.com/

Basically, the idea is to make something much more secure against environmental damage than a paper wallet. I built some custom code and have made some prototypes, and at this point, I'm ready to offer some to the public. Given that Bitcoin Black Friday is kicking off, and we're launching at the same time, I'm offering it for a deep discount of 40% off the normal $50USD price.

If anyone has some suggestions or questions, please let me know!

That's pretty cool. How much do they weigh?

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This is pretty neat. How did you get the QR code onto that sheet of metal?

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Quote from: jaked on November 27, 2013, 05:27:20 PM

Cool!
But this must be made at home, otherwise it's not safe.
(I know you offer the option of protecting it with a passphrase, but this poses the risk of losing it.)

My suggestion is to either use a passphrase you're certain to not forget, or to keep it in a few places, separate from your firesafe... even on computers / cloud storage. As long as an attacker cannot get both, your coins are secure. This may include obfuscating the nature of the pass phrase itself.... i.e. a text file of "bad poetry" of yours that you keep in a few places.

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Simple, yet brilliant!

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Cool!
But this must be made at home, otherwise it's not safe.
(I know you offer the option of protecting it with a passphrase, but this poses the risk of losing it.)

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Been working on an idea for a little while, and I just published it... http://bitcoinfiresafe.com/

Basically, the idea is to make something much more secure against environmental damage than a paper wallet. I built some custom code and have made some prototypes, and at this point, I'm ready to offer some to the public. Given that Bitcoin Black Friday is kicking off, and we're launching at the same time, I'm offering it for a deep discount of 40% off the normal $50USD price.

If anyone has some suggestions or questions, please let me know!

Update! We created a stainless steel version! It's melting point makes it extremely robust.

The small size and pendant hole makes it easy to store or hide using a nail or screw.

SALE TIME
Feeling like you're not getting good bang for your Bitcoin right now? Mention "Bang25" in your order and we'll discount either model of Bitcoin Firesafe at 25% off! Good through April.

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