Topic: BITCOIN FUNDRAISING FOR OTTAWA TRUCK DRIVERS (Read 268 times)

The decentralized means of donations is all good. But, on the other flip, the funds cannot be shared the way it's been said in the article. They are only a few set of people in control of the funds and must have spent some bitcoin on their personal interest without the consent of the truck drivers. The truck drivers should have a bitcoin address where all the money will be disseminated among them to handle whatever damages the protest have cost them.

 Than promising to utilize the bitcoin by percentage. It will take a long time to detect how the holders of the bitcoin spent the money if the truck drivers will have to wait for them to handle the damages and pay for fuel and other maintenance. I hope they achieved the goal of the protest though. Because distributing money saved in bitcoin will not go so accurate as expected by the group.

This made me realize more how useful bitcoins is not just the normal way I use it but it can bypass government restrictions. With bitcoins we will not worry anymore of any restrictions but what about if our country ban bitcoins? Because, I remember there are also countries where bitcoins is banned.

I am not one of those country so I do not know the actual feeling. Maybe the country of Canada is not included in the ban? Because, why would they be use a bitcoin as alternative and about the scammers. Scammers are everywhere and they love joining the crowd or whenever there is a popular event, they will use that as an opportunity to attack. People should always watch out for them.

The government thought that they can stop the protesters by closing or freezing their bank accounts to make no use of those donations. Haha.
Little did they know that there's bitcoin that has a great value that can be sent and received without the intervention of the government.
With the concern of scammers, AFAIK, there's an actual protester that has shared it. Yeah, hard to believe but to the donators, always verify before sending any amount.

Could it be these wallets belong to the people who contributed to spending coffee and sandwiches?
I hope they figure out how to distribute the money/BTC for thier cause.

I couldn't say there is a villain in the situation of truckers against the government of Canada. The government is always going to be a dictator concealed by smiling democratic faces but in general, government whether which kind of government, all imposes laws.

This argument is not about only nonprofit or other forms of organizations. This is about a judge giving the same restraining order on a bitcoin public address similar to what the government did to the protester’s gofundme.com and givesendgo.com accounts. All transactions going out from the address would become illegal. This is also about if bitcoin is a viable alternative for fundraisers similar to this where the organizers can be criminalized and their transactions can be traced.

I reckon the protesters might have chosen the wrong cryptocoin for what they want to accomplish. Bitcoin is very dangerous for fundraising if the reason is to protest against the government because the blockchain is transparent. This would be similar to a thief showing his money trail to everyone hehehe.

Bitcoin provides some financial freedom, I agree to that. I also must agree that Bitcoin's a good solution for any fundraising that might be restricted by authorities otherwise, and that includes the freedom convoys in Canada. But I don't support it being used and linked to anti-vaccination movements. It's not helping, of course, that Musk, who's sort of pro-crypto, is also a supporter of this Canadian movement. It's also worth noting, though, that while people who take part in these protests are usually against vaccination itself (not only the mandates) because they don't believe in vaccines, Musk actually stated that the science on this matter is unequivocal, and he supports vaccination. It's also worth noting that around 80% of people in Canada are vaccinated, and 67% of the population support Covid restrictions for unvaccinated people, so the government, in this situation, is doing what the majority wants.

its unsure of if they are scammers. or just going to charge themselves huge 'consultation fee's for services rendered'

much like how lawyers are charging millions to administer the MTGox fund for the last 8 years, dwindling down how much is left for the actual people that lost funds.

as soon as i read that they only want to put 20% into a cold wallet for "immediate use for truckers".. i thought.. 'so.. they dont want to pay out 100% for truckers immediately'

A.K.A. the pockets of some scammers who took a bunch of people for a bunch of money because they thought they were donating to a cause that they believed in.
But if you care the site that took the donations was hacked and a list of all the donators (could be fake names and addresses since they don't verify anything) is avaialbe on some hacker sites.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/14/22933772/givesendgo-funding-freedom-convoy-hacked-donor-leaked
and
https://fox4kc.com/news/problem-solvers/missouri-womans-id-stolen-used-to-fuel-canadian-truckers-protest/

and many more if you want to search.

But, don't worry there will always be people willing to give more money.

-Dave

It is not the beginning since it has been going on for a long time, it just reared its ugly head here.

That altcoin is cash but the problem is that you can't transfer cash in bags from millions of donations from all around the world to them to use. So the only existing option is still bitcoin, and the only solution to this problem is to fight and eliminate the dictatorship not to try harder to hide the legitimate thing they are doing.

While this seems hopeful to me and a way to popularize Bitcoin, it is unclear to me if by moving those Bitcoins to fiat, the Canadian government is not going to be able to freeze them in some way. I mean: as of today you can't pay directly with Bitcoin in many places, Canada is not El Salvador. To convert those Bitcoins to Canadian dollars they will have to go through the Bank or financial institutions.

Couldn't the Canadian Government act there? I do not know if anyone who lives in Canada or has any idea of the subject can inform us.

I aslo saw on the insta pages that they have raised around 21 bitcoins which is quite a big amount for the truck drivers freedom and you see people holding those boards display bitcoin as toll for financial freedom and liberty which is why there has been strike in the country by truck drivers.Hope this creates more awareness about btc and more people adapt to it.

the other thing to note is..
the protest is pretty much over.
but who paid for all the coffee, sandwiches, truckers fuel, their lost income.. impound fee's new typres, etc
so far bitcoin has not been paid out to cover the protest costs..

oh and the tallycoin 'honkhonk hodl' is giving me a 'please wait' that never refreshes.. guess thats just over and done with.
they got their target and moved on

oh and the funds the keys are on have now changed to "unknown key holders" rather then the known organiser/influencers

fun facts. organisers reached their impost target of 20 coins... and moved the funds
donation address
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qlc2gpmzrr9gded07d9a40lt2lq7pp2v7h4c5jx
a lil bit of curiosity
some of the coin is moved into like a dozen fresh addresses, untouched
here is a few notible hoards
3btc https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1q86ceuvc0580rddxmqujhu3huxkcykrns2jah4vhqnlr67jdkh43sd5gcgr
5btc https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1q3ufme0prwe7xwacj32jt89r997xcwh2wmjkgl29acetvf3q0wz4sp50j05
5btc https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/bc1qzrst06qg2ve7x9a45z94hal882ecx9eqvcxttpq400cvqk6hkr6q0rcvjs

they say the funds are no longer in the publicly known organisers keys but handed to some "unknown entity group" using multisig
where 20% of funds will be put into a hardware wallet for 'immediate use to cover truckers costs of food fuel, lost income, fines'

but here is the thing.
the protests were paid for with fiat and goodwill (people paying $$ out their own pocket) to pay for coffee/sandwiches for protestors, their transport costs and any lost earnings.
bitcoin has yet to pay out to those.  

gofundme has already refunded those requesting a refund, lets see how long the unknown bitcoin entity group takes to pay truckers for their slashed tyres and impound fees/court fines

Why would you be using Bitcoin and a non-profit organization at the same time? If you are shifting to a Bitcoin donation drive because you are staying away from centralized fundraising organizations, isn't it ironic and stupid to do it using a non-profit organization? The very reason why you chose Bitcoin is to stay away from organizations that are under the control of governments and banks. Replacing a centralized fundraising organization by another centralized organization is utterly foolish.

I also want to larp about bitcoin and freedom, however, we should also live in reality. If a restraining order can be given to gofundme.com and givesendgo.com, this restraining order can also be given to any nonprofit organization that accepts bitcoin as donations for the protesters. This restraining order will make spending and sending any of those bitcoins from the address a criminal offence.

This is the beginning of a dictatorship in the land of the maple syrup hehehe. But there is an altcoin they can use for this. It is very anonymous and very private hehe.



“These changes cover all forms of transactions, including digital assets such as crypto currencies. The illegal blockades have highlighted the fact that crowdfunding platforms and some of the payment service providers they use are not fully captured under the Proceeds of Crime and Terrorist Financing Act,” said Freeland.

Source https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-crack-down-on-trucker-protest-financing-from-crowdfund-rules-to-freezing-bank-accounts-1.5781376

if they instead went the path of
heres a bad/no longer needed law we want repealed.
heres a petition wording that legally obligates ministers to vote in parliament if it should be repealed.
heres a link to the petition for people to sign to enforce it gets discussed in parliament
here is a list of ministers that got contacted about the petition
heres a summary cost of the lawyers that worded the petition to meet parliamentary standards
heres a date of the protest to get parliaments attention that they cant ignore it
heres a date of the protest if it gets ignored, passed off, not discussed by parliament

.. and then seeked donations for all costs and future costs of any legal actions and truckers expenses.. i probably would have thrown a few coins in their direction

but this drama event, seemed to lack the necessary actions(pieces of puzzle) to change a law, and seemed more of a fundraiser for viral media amusement, causing disruption just to cause drama

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(now my rant about the fund raising organisation)
im not against anyone protesting for good reasons. as long as it doesnt cause criminal damage/violence, and as long as the protest actually shows signs of actually changing laws by petitioning the government to actually look into repealing a law.. rather then just chant on a roadside about someones anger about a law
 
im not against disruptions, strikes.. as long as it has a goal of actually changing a law and not just become a viral fame game for media attention just to make some organiser rich, while they move onto other projects once the fundraising ends.

yea a blockade worked better then other protests(usually just a bunch of hippies gathering around to chant), yea it got the canadian PM's attention. but did it actually change laws?.. um no

~150 trucks caused more disruption than 1million people marching(other historic protests). so fair play to that tactic. it worked as a example of how even just 150 drivers can do more to get attention than 1million people marching could, but just a shame it didnt have any weight behind it to actually petition the government to actually repeal the laws. (the missing piece of the puzzle). after all that missing piece of the puzzle is what those protestors in their trucks actually wanted. .. the law to change


what i was looking into more was if the fundraisers/organisers are either:
A) actually truckers themselves wanting to rebel against things that affect their lives personally and do it for themselves and colleagues(other truckers), where they actually organised themselves knowing how the political system works to know how to get ministers to look into the law and repeal it.
OR
B) is there some other political/fame/enrichment seeking motive/agenda with other political aspirations happening not related to truckers
OR
C) where the goal isnt to change laws/ see a campaign through to the end result of real change, but just get some media attention and get paid to go on speaker tours doing interviews and get 'fame for gain' (earn money jumping from different viral campaign to different viral campaign)

the three organisers are all linked to some white-nationalism politics.
one was a secretary for a anti-fed political party that wanted separatism for western canada, away from eastern canada in 2020-21
shje also was a pro pipeline protest organiser for "united we roll" truck convoy in 2019
and involved in a "yellow vest" anti-crude oil price hike protest in 2018
worked in the oil industry previous to this. while also singing for tips in a bar and being a fitness instructor.

(she has been pretty busy for the last 4 years jumping in and out of different campaigns/jobs)

the news media of the protest being 'racist'/white supremacy is not due to any chanting of racial slurs on the bridge of the actual protest.., but stems from the motivations of the campaign organisers other 'political' affiliations. namely saying that Trudeau should not be governing western canada, by saying he is influenced by foreigners and other stuff that triggers a narrative that the organisers are against foreigners/ other ethnicities influencing politics(not wanting the french east controlling the british colonial west)
and the other campaign organisers stuff..

the trigger of the gofundme 'freeze' is not about the protest itself, but more to do with the organisers nationalism affiliations triggering the freeze of funds

yes she knows how to speak, campaign and fundraise. but she has no real skill/experience/history/longevity in actually influencing law changes.
yes she has motivations to want to influence law changes that suit her separatism/anti-trudeau narrative. but no actual proven success record in doing so, nor longevity into seeing anything through to the end.

i dont think she is interested in truckers freedoms. she is just using it as a staging ground for her other political motivations against Trudeau and eastern canadas influence on western canada.

but with that said. she did have contacts with the oil industry distribution people (truckers) to pull together 150 trucks and cause more disruption than a bunch of hippies chanting and waving their arms would.
.. though personally. i think it was a bunch of truck drivers that wanted to protest first. she heard about it and then jumped onboard seeing an opportunity to make it big.

This news sounds ideal. But this is not a theoretical case. This has happened in real life, happening right now in fact. Bitcoin has shown once again how it is a much better alternative for people especially during the time when their freedom is taken away by controlling powers.

But the thing that would cause the downfall of centralized bodies like the fundraising platforms and the bank mentioned is not actually Bitcoin but themselves. They themselves are driving away people by their suffocating control. They are forcing people to get into Bitcoin. The more they show to the world that they can take away other people's freedom, the more Bitcoin will become a better choice.

It's not one of the many, it's the biggest benefit there is with bitcoin because I believe that financial freedom through bitcoin is probably the biggest and the only benefit that matters the most besides privacy. I think that this fundraiser just showed the authorities what it's like to go against bitcoin, and the people are the one that's winning in the end.

We need decentralized fundraising platforms. I have seen that concept here in the forum but I don't think they are successful with their venture. GoFundMe has been operating for years, so the trust is still on them though there are other rising fundraising platforms like Patreon, Just Giving, Kickstarter or Classy. Though it seems GoFundMe is monopolizing the market because of a lot of donators on this platform.

The true power and need for decentralisation will be understood through these incidents. Thanks to the truckers who gave an awareness to the world. We don't know anything about the amount being collected, what they say is the truth. Now every transaction is transparent and everyone can know about the donations. Even if one has send specific amount, he/she can verify the transaction. Raising 21 bitcoin isn't a simple think, hope the world follows.

It's so funny that GoFundMe actually means what it says. The site tells you to fund them because any money deposited on their site can be stolen by the owners. By running a fundraiser you are getting funds for the site. They said they aren't going to keep the stolen money but are going to spend them on charities. How does it make it better? If I steal from you and then donate to the homeless shelter everything should be fine, no crime done.
I hope these centralized sites keep doing it so more people wake up and realize what's going on.

Fundraisers like the one done to drivers for the Ottawa Freedom Trucker Convoy are a few examples of the benefits bitcoin can bring. Many communities of bitcoin users care and of course more donations can be collected. 21 Bitcoin is a very large amount and it will not be obtained from the government.
Fundraising like this is often done, but not in bitcoins or cryptocurrencies.
Bitcoin becomes a large community that is able to benefit everyone.

The activities of some people show that Bitcoin is not only for individual freedom but for the whole of humanity. Even for the rich or the poor. Bitcoin can be anyone to give freedom. A Canadian freedom truck driver has now received an estimated $1 million in donations from philanthropists who don't have to wait for government programs or instructions.

This is proof that Bitcoin has provided improvements both in economic, political, and social terms that foster an attitude of caring between individuals where the concern is almost drowned and Bitcoin can unite it again.