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Topic: Bitcoin Futures Traders Are Quietly Building A Big Short Position (Read 149 times)

sr. member
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I have nothing against bitcoin futures short plays,but the 100x leverage is insane.They should remove that leverage.I think that bitcoin futures trading had a short term positive impact over the btc price,but they will have long term negative impact.Lots of big investors are trading futures,instead of buying and HODLing btc.
Without the futures martket,the current btc price might be more than 30K USD.

What exchange volume with shorts positions @ 100x leverage are you talking about? Read again in the article that the futures volume from institutional traders is tiny compared to the entire Bitcoin spot market.

Those retail shorts from Bitmex are small. Just look at XBTH18 Bitmex futures 24hr volume: its volume is ridiculously tiny as well compared to bitcoin spot.

So what should be afraid of from the entire bitcoin futures market ?? I think It's manufactured BS.
The hedge fund managers themselves are quoted in the article saying that bitcoin high fees are arguably a contributing factor to at least spread bitcoin FUD and short it. That's a lot more serious shit regardless of whether that's false. They are using that ammo against us regardless. So we need to keep an eye on how are we going to respond on that topic while the smart money shorts remain small.
Also, we need to look to Japan and satisfy that bitcoin market as they are our best bitcoin trading allies.

In the meantime, it's better if we squeeze those shorts beforehand...
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Revolutionized Rotating Savings & Borrowings
C'Mon guys. We are massive, they are weak. Let's squeeze hard those Wall St short fuckers in their futures market. We will dry suck them to the bone as we push the real bitcoin spot market forward. WE HODLLLLL!!!!!!!

But our positions don't really effect how they will trade. And trying to get millions of people to coordinate their actions together is probably not moral but more importantly impossible to try and coordinate. Good luck it will not happen, but I hope we hodl too.
newbie
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I thought that the margin requirement was 44% on CBOT and CME. 100x leverage is only possible on small unregulated exchanges like Bitmex.
sr. member
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C'Mon guys. We are massive, they are weak. Let's squeeze hard those Wall St short fuckers in their futures market. We will dry suck them to the bone as we push the real bitcoin spot market forward. WE HODLLLLL!!!!!!!
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busy in real life, long post gap is understandable
I have nothing against bitcoin futures short plays,but the 100x leverage is insane.They should remove that leverage.I think that bitcoin futures trading had a short term positive impact over the btc price,but they will have long term negative impact.Lots of big investors are trading futures,instead of buying and HODLing btc.
Without the futures martket,the current btc price might be more than 30K USD.
We have the same mind on this. It has a positive impact on Bitcoin's price but as we all know, They are not Trading "Bitcoin" as is, They are trading Bitcoin Futures which is really , in my opinion, not relevant and connected directly to bitcoin, please do correct me if im wrong. One of this days, one of the big investors on Bitcoin futures will cash out and everyone will get affected by it , Specially the small investors.
sr. member
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Though this may not make bitcoin look attractive for investment as it is before future trader list them, since cme list bitcoin among there trading instruments bitcoin price has been stable a bit and this is what bitcoin needs before it can be adopted as a medium of exchange for goods and services. Many retail shops cannot used bitcoin because of this same problem.
hero member
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I have nothing against bitcoin futures short plays,but the 100x leverage is insane.They should remove that leverage.I think that bitcoin futures trading had a short term positive impact over the btc price,but they will have long term negative impact.Lots of big investors are trading futures,instead of buying and HODLing btc.
Without the futures martket,the current btc price might be more than 30K USD.

How long you think this value will be achieved in the market bro. I see bitcoin trading for altcoins will be a good choice for the traders all the time and we have to consider bitcoin trading is the long time focus bro.
I see that you have said that bitcoin trading is the short term profit in future. Now the many investors are coming to the bitcoin in the way of bitcoin only most of the time. Other ways are very for the new investors buddy so don't underestimate this.
hero member
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I have nothing against bitcoin futures short plays,but the 100x leverage is insane.They should remove that leverage.I think that bitcoin futures trading had a short term positive impact over the btc price,but they will have long term negative impact.Lots of big investors are trading futures,instead of buying and HODLing btc.
Without the futures martket,the current btc price might be more than 30K USD.
copper member
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Don't understand why they offer this when the price was so at almost all time high.  I feel the banks knew they could make some money off people by offering this when the chances are it would take a correction at some point.
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In retrospect, the launch of bitcoin futures one month ago has proven to be a modestly disappointing event: while it helped send the price of bitcoin soaring as traders braced for the institutionalization of bitcoin, the world's most popular cryptocurrency has stagnated since the beginning of December when first the Cboe then CME started trading bitcoin futures, trading in a range between $12,000 and $17,000.

And while bitcoin futures markets volumes have been lower than most had expected, the past 4 weeks have provided enough data to observe how volumes and open interest have evolved.

We discussed previously  that Bitcoin futures were off to a slow start in the first week of trading, with volumes of CBOE Bitcoin futures averaging just around $40MM per day, despite intense media hype helping fuel heavy trading when both contracts launched, at least in the first hours of trading.

Since then, volumes spike briefly in the following week coinciding with the launch of the CME futures, with volumes of on both exchanges at relatively similar levels.

Then, as JPM's Nikolaos Panagirtzoglou shows, after a spike in volumes to around $200mn on 22 December, which saw sharp swings in underlying Bitcoin prices, volumes have averaged around $50mn and $60mn per day on the CBOE and CME futures, respectively.



One month after their launch, futures trading volumes remain very modest compared to average Bitcoin trading volumes of around $15bn per day since futures contracts were launched according to coinmarketcap.com data. While open interest in both the CBOE and CME contracts has risen steadily, it too remains rather modest at around $60mn and $70mn, respectively.

Putting futures volumes in context, on Friday, the combined size of the bitcoin-futures markets at the two exchanges was roughly $150 million, measured in terms of the value of outstanding contracts, while the total value of all bitcoins in existence was around $290 billion.



Another factor behind the slow volume growth may be the reluctance of many Wall Street banks to touch bitcoin futures. Firms such as JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Bank of America Merrill Lynch haven’t offered their clients access to bitcoin futures.

Another notable observation: with both volumes and open interest between the two sets of futures contracts converging, it suggests that a large degree of arbitraging of price differentials has taken place between the contracts which initially showed significant divergence. As JPM further notes, when trading in the CBOE futures initially started, a striking feature was the wide basis between the futures contract and the underlying bitcoin prices, which intraday exceeded $2000 or more than 12% of the underlying price at the time. While traders provided numerous explanation for the spread, since then the difference between futures prices on both the CBOE and CME contracts and underlying bitcoin prices has narrowed significantly (chart below), and even turned negative briefly last week.



That covers bitcoin futures volumes, but what about positioning? Well, as many traders expected, it appears that institutions are using the futures product to slowly but surely build a short position in bitcoin. According to the CFTC Commitment of Traders report (available CBOE futures), non-commercial traders held a net short position of around $30mn as of Tuesday Dec 26, or around half of the total open interest.

Separately, the Traders in Financial Futures breakdown provided by the CFTC show that the leveraged funds category that consists largely of hedge funds and various money managers had a short of around $14mn, or around a quarter of the total open interest.

In other words, spec investors have used the futures contracts to establish Bitcoin shorts.

How does this compare with other asset classes typically used as a store of wealth such as gold and silver? As JPMorgan explains, for gold futures, non-commercial investors held as of Dec 26 a net long position of around 30% of open interest, of which the managed money category held around 80%, while in silver futures both the non-commercial and managed money categories were close to zero.



An analysis by the Wall Street Journal  confirms that while hedge funds and other large traders are betting that bitcoin will fall, small investors remain convinced that bitcoin prices will keep on rising.

As the WSJ reports, for traders who hold fewer than 25 of Cboe’s bitcoin futures contracts—a category that likely encompasses many retail investors—bullish bets are 3.6 times more common than bearish ones, according to the latest Commodity Futures Trading Commission data that cover trading through Tuesday.

Meanwhile, the big CBOE players in bitcoin futures tend to be short. For instance, among “other reportables”—large trading firms that don’t necessarily manage money for outside investors—short bets outweighed bullish “long” bets by a factor of 2.6 last week.



The historical data will probably not come as a big surprise: many skeptics on Wall Street have called bitcoin a bubble and would be more apt to bet on its decline. In a sign of how more conservative firms are keeping their distance, the CFTC data show near-zero trading in Cboe’s bitcoin futures by banks and asset managers.

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“There is probably more optimism in the retail segment than there is in the institutional segment,” said Steven Sanders, an executive vice president at Interactive Brokers Group Inc., an electronic brokerage firm that offers its customers access to bitcoin futures.

And sure enough, presenting JPM's data in a slightly different context, COT data shows that hedge funds and other money managers had placed almost 40% more short bets than long bets last week.

Curiously, it is worth noting that that represented a less bearish outlook than they had in late December, when such funds had more than four times as many short bets as long bets.

To be sure, shorting bitcoin futures doesn’t necessarily mean a trader expects bitcoin to crash. In a natural hedge, a cryptocurrency trading firm with significant holdings of bitcoin might go short to hedge those inventories against a price fall. That would make the firm indifferent as to whether bitcoin goes up or down.

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As the WSJ further notes, shorting futs could also be part of certain sophisticated trading strategies, such as betting that rival cryptocurrencies will outperform bitcoin. One such rival, Ethereum, rose above $1,000 for the first time last week, more than double its value from the beginning of December.

With the CFTC data, “you’re not seeing the full picture,” said James Koutoulas, chief executive of hedge-fund firm Typhon Capital Management, which trades futures in bitcoin as well as commodities. Typhon has swung back and forth, being long and short bitcoin futures at various times, Mr. Koutoulas said.

Of course, it's not just bitcoin.

As JPM writes, any given cryptocurrency faces competition from other cryptocurrencies, posing risks to their individual valuations. Indeed, the market capitalisation of Bitcoin has risen by around $100bn to around $270bn since late November, while other cryptocurrencies have seen a significant increase in market cap from around $130bn to nearly $500bn currently.



Other cryptocurrencies - mostly ethereum and ripple - have benefited from the increased interest in Bitcoin amid the listing of exchange traded futures, as well as the sharp rise in Bitcoin average transaction costs from around $6 per transaction in early December to nearly $60 per transaction on Dec 22, before settling in a $25-$30 range in recent days.



By contrast, average transaction fees in Ethereum reached a high of $1.50 in early December and were around $1 on Jan 4, while average transaction fees in Ripple measure a few cents according to bitinfocharts.com. The one-third share of Bitcoin of the total cryptocurrency market cap of around $770bn represents a new low. In contrast, the market of $770bn for the total cryptocurrency market represents a new high.

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And while we await futures contracts to be announced on other cryptos, most likely ethereum and ripple next, events which we believe will be catalysts for substantial price upside in both cryptocurrencies, the question for bitcoin is who will be right: institutions, who are short, or retail investors (especially those in Japan and South Korea) who remain fervently long. If the past 7 years - in which retail has consistently trounced "smart money" returns are any indication, bitcoin is about to soar as yet another major short squeeze develops in the coming weeks and months.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-07/bitcoin-futures-traders-are-quietly-building-short-position

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Looks like short positions could be building in anticipation of future dumps.

Awhile ago, I might have mentioned (the obvious) that crypto futures short plays could be a guaranteed win under instances where someone HODL'ing a large number of bitcoins decided to dump their holdings. With futures offering (last I checked) up to 100x leverage, that could provide double incentive for big HODL'ers to dump, with short plays giving them another avenue of profit other than bitcoin growth.

It is also possible that crypto futures will go bankrupt in the future. Or they'll limit support and leverage for short plays to avoid whale dumps timing their sell orders with coinciding short plays on futures markets.
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