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Quote from: Miitch on September 03, 2014, 01:40:09 PM

I couldn't agree more! I get that gambling sites have to make things work based on maths/odds/chances though if they want to make a profit or guarantee their losses. What I would like to see more of is Peer to Peer betting but that takes such a large number of people before it gains critical mass. I'd be quite happy to put up .1 BTC to compete against someone at a skill based game - if I won I would take .2 BTC minus a small game fee, if I lost I would walk away with nada.

Jumping in here. Check out https://www.betmoose.com - it's not exactly a casino/'game' per se, but it's P2P betting, skill based, and you CAN make bets about "anything" so we've seen some peer to peer rock paper scissors played in the past with quite large volumes (3BTC+ per game).

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The lion roars!

I've created a choose-your-own-adventure game that's largely skill-based and bot-proof. Project thread here. Looking for funding to hire writers and artists. May be too text-heavy for some but it'd really rock as an interactive comic book.

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Quote from: DiceBitcoin on September 04, 2014, 06:51:25 AM

Its not possible to make a"skill and fair game" over the Internet. Why? Because someone COULD and most probably WILL use his PC and any other thing you can imagine to gain an edge against you. Chess? I could run chessmaster on another machine next to me. Shoot the bubbles? I could code that. Counterstrike? Aimbots. You cant control it/limit it except if you are in the same room and spectators can ensure you that no one cheats.

If this were true then competitive gaming would not exist.
There's a number of games with prize pools exceeding $100k and a lot of them are helf over the internet. Aimbots are relatively easy to make but also to spot. In MOBA or RTS games there's not much a player can do to cheat, besides some obvious hacks like invulnerability or unlimited resources.

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Quote from: espringe on September 04, 2014, 09:13:27 AM

Quote from: Minnlo on September 04, 2014, 02:18:46 AM

Why do you consider rock-paper-scissors a skill game?
It is mainly luck based IMO, though if it is played face to face, you may be able to read your opponent's gesture and predict his movement.

Because if you play hundreds of games, a skilled player player can reliably hold an advantage over a less skilled player -- by reasoning what are thinking based on the move history. I have a friend who I played a couple thousand games with online, (iteratively) and he was able to consistently beat me ~35 to ~40% of the time.

But anyway, the same applies to lots of skill games that involve exploiting human weakness, and where a perfect bot will make no money.

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When I think about skill games, I immediately think of games like chess and backgammon, which people have created extremely powerful bots...

Yeah, those games are really hard to gamble with -- even if it's not for bots, it's for the difference in peoples skills, people pretending to be worse than they are (losing to their own shill accounts if needbe), and winning high stake games etc.

Candy Crush game is the game in which bots can't attack

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Quote from: Minnlo on September 04, 2014, 02:18:46 AM

Why do you consider rock-paper-scissors a skill game?
It is mainly luck based IMO, though if it is played face to face, you may be able to read your opponent's gesture and predict his movement.

Because if you play hundreds of games, a skilled player player can reliably hold an advantage over a less skilled player -- by reasoning what are thinking based on the move history. I have a friend who I played a couple thousand games with online, (iteratively) and he was able to consistently beat me ~35 to ~40% of the time.

But anyway, the same applies to lots of skill games that involve exploiting human weakness, and where a perfect bot will make no money.

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When I think about skill games, I immediately think of games like chess and backgammon, which people have created extremely powerful bots...

Yeah, those games are really hard to gamble with -- even if it's not for bots, it's for the difference in peoples skills, people pretending to be worse than they are (losing to their own shill accounts if needbe), and winning high stake games etc.

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Is Candy Crush(Match 3 game) can be attacked by bots?

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Quote from: The Beef on September 04, 2014, 07:21:59 AM

Anyone knows a bitcoin generating game that a newbie can actually play?

Hey TheBeef I sent you a personal message, there are some nice BTC games that even a newbie can play

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Quote from: The Beef on September 04, 2014, 07:21:59 AM

Anyone knows a bitcoin generating game that a newbie can actually play?

We are discussing it .

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Anyone knows a bitcoin generating game that a newbie can actually play?

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Quote from: gordoh on September 04, 2014, 07:13:30 AM

Yes it would definitely work! Especially with Counter strike and Dota. those 2 games are so popular, I have no doubt the Bitcoin community would go for such an idea.

Think about it this way, you cant cheat on steam games, else you get a Ban for life. You cant cheat on dota. Is all about skill. These games have cheat preventatives in place already. Else they wouldn't be able to host tournaments where people can win prizes.

***EDIT: After googling the possibility that people still cheat on Steam games and Dota, I am having doubts about my earlier statement. I guess it could be possible, but I would like to believe that it doesn't happen.

Let's talk about gaming there
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Yes it would definitely work! Especially with Counter strike and Dota. those 2 games are so popular, I have no doubt the Bitcoin community would go for such an idea.

Think about it this way, you cant cheat on steam games, else you get a Ban for life. You cant cheat on dota. Is all about skill. These games have cheat preventatives in place already. Else they wouldn't be able to host tournaments where people can win prizes.

***EDIT: After googling the possibility that people still cheat on Steam games and Dota, I am having doubts about my earlier statement. I guess it could be possible, but I would like to believe that it doesn't happen.

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Quote from: DiceBitcoin on September 04, 2014, 06:51:25 AM

Quote from: Coinbuddy on September 04, 2014, 02:08:28 AM

I can use this type of game.In which users have to survive the game for 120 seconds.If any users successfully survive the 120 seconds he will get double of his deposited btc.If he unable to survive he will loss his btc.

Here are the screen shot

That game is called zumba. and YES, bot exists for that.

Its not possible to make a"skill and fair game" over the Internet. Why? Because someone COULD and most probably WILL use his PC and any other thing you can imagine to gain an edge against you. Chess? I could run chessmaster on another machine next to me. Shoot the bubbles? I could code that. Counterstrike? Aimbots. You cant control it/limit it except if you are in the same room and spectators can ensure you that no one cheats.

That's making me worry.

Is there any way to stop bots?
Is there any other idea that will work for me?

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Quote from: gordoh on September 04, 2014, 06:46:39 AM

Quote from: Anastasio on September 04, 2014, 02:54:54 AM

Need to have a bitcoin based platform for games such as Starcraft, Dota, LoL, HoN, Hearthstone, CS, etc...It might not be as profitable as a dice or other casino site, but it might turn some heads.

I have been trying to find out what it would take to host something like this. I have been researching it for over a year now.

Take Dota for instance:

Each team / clan pays an entrance fee, and the winner takes the pot.

Or my other one was a first person shooter. (counterstrike or Black ops)

You register on a server, then load your wallet with X amount of Bitcoin. Then each time you die, you lose a little, and for each kill you gain a little.

I guarantee this would work, And if somebody shares my vision, send me a PM and lets chat about it.

Don't you think my above idea would work?

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Quote from: Coinbuddy on September 04, 2014, 02:08:28 AM

I can use this type of game.In which users have to survive the game for 120 seconds.If any users successfully survive the 120 seconds he will get double of his deposited btc.If he unable to survive he will loss his btc.

Here are the screen shot

That game is called zumba. and YES, bot exists for that.

Its not possible to make a"skill and fair game" over the Internet. Why? Because someone COULD and most probably WILL use his PC and any other thing you can imagine to gain an edge against you. Chess? I could run chessmaster on another machine next to me. Shoot the bubbles? I could code that. Counterstrike? Aimbots. You cant control it/limit it except if you are in the same room and spectators can ensure you that no one cheats.

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Quote from: Anastasio on September 04, 2014, 02:54:54 AM

Need to have a bitcoin based platform for games such as Starcraft, Dota, LoL, HoN, Hearthstone, CS, etc...It might not be as profitable as a dice or other casino site, but it might turn some heads.

I have been trying to find out what it would take to host something like this. I have been researching it for over a year now.

Take Dota for instance:

Each team / clan pays an entrance fee, and the winner takes the pot.

Or my other one was a first person shooter. (counterstrike or Black ops)

You register on a server, then load your wallet with X amount of Bitcoin. Then each time you die, you lose a little, and for each kill you gain a little.

I guarantee this would work, And if somebody shares my vision, send me a PM and lets chat about it.

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Quote from: Coinbuddy on September 03, 2014, 01:51:03 PM

What about Flappy Bird game?
Users have to survive the game to double their btc address

yes I like a game that could double as Flappy bird bitcoin hard difficult it look easy

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Quote from: Coinbuddy on September 03, 2014, 01:41:31 PM

Quote from: Miitch on September 03, 2014, 01:40:09 PM

I couldn't agree more! I get that gambling sites have to make things work based on maths/odds/chances though if they want to make a profit or guarantee their losses. What I would like to see more of is Peer to Peer betting but that takes such a large number of people before it gains critical mass. I'd be quite happy to put up .1 BTC to compete against someone at a skill based game - if I won I would take .2 BTC minus a small game fee, if I lost I would walk away with nada.

What sort of skill based games do you like? Are you thinking card games like Solitaire? Or numbers games like Sudoku? Or something more complex?

Checkers,Chess or Billiard

Playing pool and billiard is a welcomed innovation. I will gladly partake in these ones when they come on.

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Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.

Need to have a bitcoin based platform for games such as Starcraft, Dota, LoL, HoN, Hearthstone, CS, etc...It might not be as profitable as a dice or other casino site, but it might turn some heads.

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Quote from: Buziss on September 04, 2014, 02:50:06 AM

Quote from: Coinbuddy on September 04, 2014, 02:08:28 AM

I can use this type of game.In which users have to survive the game for 120 seconds.If any users successfully survive the 120 seconds he will get double of his deposited btc.If he unable to survive he will loss his btc.

Here are the screen shot

Sounds like a great idea to me.
I would definitely like to play a round when you finish the game.

Thanks.I personally feeling it will hit.

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Quote from: Coinbuddy on September 04, 2014, 02:08:28 AM

I can use this type of game.In which users have to survive the game for 120 seconds.If any users successfully survive the 120 seconds he will get double of his deposited btc.If he unable to survive he will loss his btc.

Here are the screen shot

Sounds like a great idea to me.
I would definitely like to play a round when you finish the game.

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Quote from: Minnlo on September 04, 2014, 02:18:46 AM

Quote from: espringe on September 03, 2014, 09:53:00 PM

I disagree. There are plenty of skill games, that are extremely difficult to write a bot for. Even something like a rock-paper-scissors bot is a daunting challenge. Deviate from the nash equilibrium (a random throw), and risk being exploited. But if you play randomly, and you have only downside (assuming a rake).

Why do you consider rock-paper-scissors a skill game?
It is mainly luck based IMO, though if it is played face to face, you may be able to read your opponent's gesture and predict his movement.

When I think about skill games, I immediately think of games like chess and backgammon, which people have created extremely powerful bots...

What do you think about above Idea

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Quote from: espringe on September 03, 2014, 09:53:00 PM

I disagree. There are plenty of skill games, that are extremely difficult to write a bot for. Even something like a rock-paper-scissors bot is a daunting challenge. Deviate from the nash equilibrium (a random throw), and risk being exploited. But if you play randomly, and you have only downside (assuming a rake).

Why do you consider rock-paper-scissors a skill game?
It is mainly luck based IMO, though if it is played face to face, you may be able to read your opponent's gesture and predict his movement.

When I think about skill games, I immediately think of games like chess and backgammon, which people have created extremely powerful bots...

Coinbuddy

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I can use this type of game.In which users have to survive the game for 120 seconds.If any users successfully survive the 120 seconds he will get double of his deposited btc.If he unable to survive he will loss his btc.

Here are the screen shot

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Quote from: vit1988 on September 03, 2014, 03:04:08 PM

Skill games are hard to realize cause it ends up in who is skilled in cheating and writing the best bot. In p2p games the majority of fair players will lose interest fast and when betting against the house you have to either increase the difficulty + lower the player profits (which will annoy fair players) or work hard on anti-cheating measures and trying to prove people are indeed cheating.

I disagree. There are plenty of skill games, that are extremely difficult to write a bot for. Even something like a rock-paper-scissors bot is a daunting challenge. Deviate from the nash equilibrium (a random throw), and risk being exploited. But if you play randomly, and you have only downside (assuming a rake).

I think in a game like that, there would be virtually no bots -- and a lot of players.

But yeah, there's definitely whole classes of games which aren't really suitable due to bots (e.g reflex based, and many strategy based ones)

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Quote from: Coinbuddy on September 03, 2014, 01:35:46 PM

I want something unqiue and creative to start. I want users to pay on their skills.Like skill based games.

What do you think?

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I agree! And that's why I made https://www.moneypot.com/ -- it's primarily luck based, but there is also an element of skill -- be on of the last people to cashout, to get a prize. Unlike almost all bitcoin gambling games out there, it's actually possible to achieve a positive expected value with certain playing styles.

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Quote from: vit1988 on September 03, 2014, 03:04:08 PM

Skill games are hard to realize cause it ends up in who is skilled in cheating and writing the best bot. In p2p games the majority of fair players will lose interest fast and when betting against the house you have to either increase the difficulty + lower the player profits (which will annoy fair players) or work hard on anti-cheating measures and trying to prove people are indeed cheating.

Exactly - true.

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are there any other bitcoin poker sites out there? i know that betco.in was recently closed down.

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Skill games are hard to realize cause it ends up in who is skilled in cheating and writing the best bot. In p2p games the majority of fair players will lose interest fast and when betting against the house you have to either increase the difficulty + lower the player profits (which will annoy fair players) or work hard on anti-cheating measures and trying to prove people are indeed cheating.

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I think there already was a multiplayer flappybird game - it was web based! Dunno if you could gamble on it or not though...

Checkers would be THE BOMB!

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What about Flappy Bird game?
Users have to survive the game to double their btc address

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Quote from: Miitch on September 03, 2014, 01:40:09 PM

I couldn't agree more! I get that gambling sites have to make things work based on maths/odds/chances though if they want to make a profit or guarantee their losses. What I would like to see more of is Peer to Peer betting but that takes such a large number of people before it gains critical mass. I'd be quite happy to put up .1 BTC to compete against someone at a skill based game - if I won I would take .2 BTC minus a small game fee, if I lost I would walk away with nada.

What sort of skill based games do you like? Are you thinking card games like Solitaire? Or numbers games like Sudoku? Or something more complex?

Checkers,Chess or Billiard

Miitch

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I couldn't agree more! I get that gambling sites have to make things work based on maths/odds/chances though if they want to make a profit or guarantee their losses. What I would like to see more of is Peer to Peer betting but that takes such a large number of people before it gains critical mass. I'd be quite happy to put up .1 BTC to compete against someone at a skill based game - if I won I would take .2 BTC minus a small game fee, if I lost I would walk away with nada.

What sort of skill based games do you like? Are you thinking card games like Solitaire? Or numbers games like Sudoku? Or something more complex?

Coinbuddy

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Hi,
Let's start discussion on bitcoin gaming.I already saw many provably fair dice and casino websites.But there are so many dice websites popping out.I want something unqiue and creative to start.
I want users to pay on their skills.Like skill based games.

What do you think?

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