Topic: BITCOIN IS NOT DEAD! (Read 980 times)

Bitcoin is a consensus. The death of such a great consensus is not an easy thing. It's ridiculous to claim that. Ideas never die. Also, even if we exclude all of its technological infrastructure, we cannot call it dead due to its $34 billion daily trading volume, because something that is dead cannot do such a thing. I think they should now offer smarter arguments for fud because bullshit like this isn't even funny.

It is mostly naysayers or those who were never really interested in bitcoin. Being dead in the speculative market is a relative term. Comparing this to dead is a common thing when you dont have the understanding to see that it is a bear cycle.

Anyone watching the chart can see that bull and bear cycle are what is happening and not living or dead. Since such people are only interested in profit and loss, this is what matters to them.

FUD will always exist in this sector because it is build around people who sit in front of keyboards half the day. But knowing how to see through the FUD, the charts and the performance of bitcoin, is the real thing.

Bitcoin is dead.

Yes, truly dead.

Disappointedly, a lot of people don't even know this. It's dead to FUD but naysayers who still don't want to be pacified are busy looking for its tomb. That isn't going to happen. Bitcoin is a Phoenix, literarily speaking. It has a way of rising from its perceived ashes. Price crashes or energy consumption brouhaha are things it easily dusts off. The Bitcoin obituary isn't even a thing anymore now. It was a constant thing pre-2017 when I knew about Bitcoin. Such FUD would send shivers down the spines of Bitcoin faithfuls. I'm not sure such FUD has that influence now.

I do not understand how this thread rises or is refloated, this thread is the one that should be dead, well closed with a padlock and a cross.

You have to get away from that opinion matrix, which is not the same as the discussion matrix when there is an argument, that is, starting with that title and then wanting to justify ideas with the OP's argument.
There is no need to look back, bitcoin is the future. Sometimes these matrices like this post look for the opposite, it is like a hidden message that is not presented as it is, a malicious title that later wants to be justified with an OP in justified context on the opposite side.

Virtually bitcoin has died more than it has lived. Every bear season bitcoin dies in the eyes of the ignorants and also in the eyes of the informed who purposely peddles the bitcoin death rumor in order to manipulate the market. I have listened and believed the bitcoin death rumor in the past and it made me not to enter bitcoin at the right time. So my concern now is not about the FUD, my concern is those newbies who are supposed to join bitcoin at this perfect time would be discouraged to join. But later when the bull arrives, they win jump in when the price is already  very high

I have seen and also understand some people way of conclusion that bitcoin is dead. It's very obvious to me right now that bitcoin is dead to some people because of it's speculation of values at a particular moment, when bitcoin is experiencing a bearish market people get afraid of investing in Bitcoin because all their mindset is that bitcoin won't ressurect again and the final conclusion will be bitcoins is dead, not knowing that Bitcoin have to be purchase in a larger form when it's in a state of bearish season.

We all may believe that bitcoin will never die but no one can say with 100% that bitcoin will last forever but if you think about the current situation and the future then from that mindset bitcoin will last forever people's living standards are improving people are so lazy As everyone is moving towards virtual life, there is no chance of Bitcoin dying, but if there is a war with big countries or a third world war in the world for some reason. Then the world will be pretty much on the path to destruction then maybe we can go to Bitcoin in which case we won't be surprised but I don't think World War 3 will happen if it does then our lives will be completely ruined.

You're right, not everyone prepares for the worst that might happen in the market. I personally prioritize that, yes I prepare something that I don't want to see first, after that I determine the target I want to achieve. That way I'm better prepared for a major market shock. It can be said that most people who sell assets out of panic are those who do not prepare for the worst. Because they realize they will lack for their daily needs.

news that keeps repeating, and always talking Bitcoin will die, and more and more people say Bitcoin will die otherwise Bitcoin will continue to grow, it will even grow more than last year, so stop saying Bitcoin is dead because Bitcoin will continue to grow

Yes, everything falls within the possibilities that can be given, but that is like killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, the best thing about all this is that it is very easy to avoid, the only option that can destroy it is that all the investors and traders in the world agree to kill btc and that is very impossible, the only way is for a very strong entity to buy the majority of BTC and bring it to zero, if possible, what happens is that in the There is an infrastructure in the BTC market that is so well organized that many companies have very strong investment in the market, so it is more difficult to convince the great millionaires who take out their investment in losses.

For some time period the market bounced and today once again there is crash in the market. Then onwards we'll come across Bitcoin is dead statement quite often. This is not by intention, but out of fear people do this. At times this statement too make changes in the market, as the market is speculative and can be manipulated.

Whatever the market situation, we need to prepare ourselves to experience the worst. This will help us stay high even when the market is down.

One could say bitcoin is going to die, it is people who hate bitcoin and glorify fiat too much. I don't think bitcoin and its network will die without a big problem which may harm all users, but it is possible that it will be replaced by a better financial system in the future where it comes with something more perfect.

I haven't gotten to that stage to think yet because I believe bitcoin is a financial system that will last longer to get more public attention. Increasing adoption is the foundation for expecting it to grow and survive, it is a reason to refute the notion of someone who says bitcoin will die.

Those hacking incidents were largely due to smart contracts and not because of any exploit in the proof-of-stake (or work) arrangement in Ethereum.

But we also have to be able to accept that bitcoin can die anytime so that we can be ready for whatever the situation will be. Nowadays, bitcoin has become something popular and many people want to own more bitcoins. Lucky for people who have been in bitcoin for a long time because they may still have many bitcoins.

The presence of bitcoin can help the current payment system but because bitcoin is decentralized and no government controls it, this is what the government does not like, so several countries have not approved it. But that will not stop bitcoin from becoming more famous in the future so many people will use bitcoin as an investment or other things. So bitcoin will still be around for the next few years, while for decades later, we leave it to bitcoin itself and those who use bitcoin.

It will take time to believe that POS system is equally secure, energy efficient and faster when Ethereum successfully achieves all milestones with predefined time lines & that remains to be seen. I also believe that Bitcoin security system is very secure and it is most decentralized compared to any other crypto currency becuase we have seen any report of bitcoin hacking whereas Ethereum & tokens created on its network had many incidents of hacking. DYOR

Many people told us that bitcoin is dead because of the market crash but it is normal that bitcoin came across to the bottom at first and becomes of the upcoming halving it is now coming into another dump and market crash we know the bitcoin dominance can really hit badly to the coins become dependent on it, that's why always manage to set the different pot for your assets. People will call this dead because they get caught in the market dump and cant withdraw their assets might cause towards to lose more. This is a good opportunity to people to grab the chance to make an accumulation.  

But many say bitcoin will never die and bitcoin will always exist, but my question nakatomo calculates there are 21 million bitcoins available to users, over the past decade, the number of bitcoins that have been mined has reached 18.5 million bitcoins, while mining activities , investing and trading crypto assets continues, I always think one thing what will happen if bitcoin runs out and when that time will come, can nakotomo make another bitcoin or we will just invest the existing bitcoin.

It's like you're saying that you could predict the market 100% accurate. Honestly, we couldn't ignore the possibility that it might die, or the right thing to say is to be devalued, though I agree that in the near future, Bitcoin will not reach that state, to be called "dead". It's not even new that people will call bitcoin that way because of the bear market. Every time Bitcoin's price dumps all the way down of half of its ATH, they spread FUDs even though they don't own Bitcoin, how ironic.

Bitcoin never dies, it never will, in my opinion. If you are wondering why, bitcoin is indispensable when there are so many investors and money in it. Its lack of control and decentralization make it an excellent choice.

One should never give up, because only the last key in the bunch can open the lock."

I know Bitcoin will never die & whatever rumors are spread in the market it doesn't  bother me much. I will continue holding my Bitcoin & book profit when it makes new ATH. It happened many times in the past will happen in future as well that it falls 80-85% from its ATH but again rises from ashes & makes new ATH. If you firmly believe in Bitcoin & hold it with patience, it will never disappoint you.

It is true that Bitcoin will never die forever because all investors strongly believe that Bitcoin will have a bright future and bring good luck to all its holders, therefore bad news about Bitcoin will not work for Bitcoin. Maybe governments that ban Bitcoin from entering their country will expect Bitcoin to die, but if you say it will be a currency for all, I don't think that's possible, because governments are still very strong in holding their currency as a means of payment.

More on this fake “climate change and energy” crisis. Look for Pears Corbyn wherever you want. Oh, yes, don’t forget that “unbiased” Wikipedia, where every single person who express an opposed opinion against the fiat global elites… oh, my, they all are conspiracy theorists!

Here you’ve got an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elf6h_K4JH0.

He’s an astrophysicist! Who knows better about climate, journalists who barely can’t speak or read, or this guy?

There is not such a climate change, or energy crisis. All BS to justify galloping inflation and mass theft.

War in Ukraine, climate change, the “scamdemia” and so on, are just all branches of the same tree: the international elites trying to impose the “new world order”, or “the new normal”, or call it as you want. It is a international dictatorship where democracies have just become what the great writer and sociologist Alexis de Tocqueville already predicted: the worst of dictatorships. BTC is just the way out from all this.

There is not freedom without monetary freedom, which we don’t have. As much as at the end of the Old Regime in the XVII century, the world needed a separation of religion from the State, now we need a separation of money from the State. That’s exactly where BTC fits in.
 
And yes, as a funny fact, Pears Corbyn is the brother of Jeremy Corbyn.

Unfortunately, most new users rely almost always on the opinions of analysts without even asking about their scientific background and if they have what qualifies them to carry out such analyzes. Price analyzes are nothing more than opinions that their owners seek to sell on the basis that they are an established scientific fact. We find those analysts either in the media to earn money as a result of the time they will fill in the channel program or in social media channels selling their opinions to beginners.
If they are able to predict the movement of the price or the movement of the market, why not make fortunes through investing instead of issuing analyzes?

It's very interesting to talk about Bitcoin, but unfortunately Bitcoin is still in the public's interest, even though the price decline is not as severe as in 2018, it's still everyone's guide for the economy of all users, so never pay attention to this,  whether Bitcoin is dead or not is still the mainstay of all of us..

Both Bitcoin and Ethereum just tanked/dumped/dropped in the last half hour... check the time stamp of this post. Bitcoin dropped more than a thousand USD. While the Ethereum drop was less, it looks like it was more percentage wise.

and some of people and investors think bitcoin will die because upcoming Ethereum merge will lead the way to POS from POW.  bitcoin  has it's own system . there will many many new technologies will come and go. but bitcoin and POW will stay there for ever. bitcoin is the standard. if bitcoin die , all of other crypto projects will die.

Not the entirety of bitcoin can be weakened but it's about the price for which it is being done by those spreads those threatening news and FUD that they've been doing all the time.
It's not going to work for those that have been long in the market and been holding bitcoin for so many years. All of those efforts won't come into waste.

Yes bro you have rightly reviewed that no matter how much hate comes on bitcoin it will have no impact on bitcoin.For we say that bitcoin is currently dumping and in the future its price will increase massively. Because it is normal that the price of Bitcoin will go up and down, but Bitcoin will never be exhausted.

Bitcoin is a virtual coin that is common in all countries of the world. Bitcoin is used in almost all countries, therefore, there is investment in Bitcoin from all countries, which is why Bitcoin will never go can not down. Cryptocurrency's vitality is the reason why this Bitcoin will never perish but will continue to thrive.

You can rest assured that Bitcoin is going to be the wealth of the next decade for all of us. Only people who don't know about bitcoin or have little knowledge say that bitcoin is dead. Bitcoin is now down so some people are spreading rumors that Bitcoin is dead. But this is not new, every time Bitcoin goes down I hear that Bitcoin is going to die.But in reality it is not and you have to believe that Bitcoin will never die. So don't listen to the negative words of others, learn about Bitcoin first and then consider.

Those people who just try to kill bitcoin by spreading negative  news and ingormation are those who didn't believe in bitcoin ot maybe they  don't have bitcoin. Bitcoin is like other technology that consume energy power but I believe it will not be the problem. The problem now is the long bear market but sooner or later crypto market will recover and bitcoin too. That's why bitcoin is not dead and it will not die as long as there are demands and supply in the market.

You cannot force people to believe that BTC won't die at any point of time op. They need to realise it themselves in order to truly believe in BTC in my opinion. Believing in an anonymous crypto like BTC no matter what happens is very difficult.

Personally, I am all-in on BTC which implies that I am ready to go all the way whether it rises or collapses in the future. This is why I prefer long-term HODLING over day-trading cryptocurrencies.

My advice is to simply ignore the haters and focus on what you truly believe in which is all that actually matters.

For me bitcoin is not gonna die. Every few months someone says that bitcoin is diying, but this is not true. Only the future will tell us what is gonna happen. 

You have to be patient to seen Bitcoin again up. You will notice that when Bitcoin first came to the market, its price was not so much. After a long wait, Bitcoin got this position in the market. Now maybe bitcoin is down and many people will spread rumors due to this bitcoin drop but you don't listen to those things which are unnecessary.You should always remember that Bitcoin will never die. We just have to be patient and Bitcoin will become stronger and the wealth of the next decade.

You know, this is when Bitcoin is at a low price, and still not sure if it will go to a lower price or not. Not yet, there is still a long way to go, threats and various other things can weaken Bitcoin, but it does not rule out the possibility that it will get better and be helped by many other things as well.

This propaganda and FUD are always spreading every time and everywhere, and this will be always connected to certain events, incidents, and also recent conditions. We may see that many more people spread Bitcoin FUD due to the merge. Well, whatever the FUD. I personally do really high trust in Bitcoin and because of the proof that Bitcoin gives to us so far. How many FUDs spreading, this will never make Bitcoin dead, never.
Just set aside the thought and let them talk as they like. We, only need to make what we can make to optimize our investment in Bitcoin.

Just the hatred isn't gonna make any big inpact over bitcoin. For now we're gonna experience good change in the market. The market which is predicted to be bearish have shown signs of growth. This can continue for some time period around the same price point of $21k to $23k. The death slogans will slowly decrease when the price recovery takes place. It is common to see statement of death whenever there is market decline. People are used to it and never react in such statements, just ignore.

news that we often hear when we want to drop the price of bitcoin, and of course they can buy it at a low price. if we understand the cycle of bitcoin movement then it is not difficult to face the bearish season like now, in fact we can actually take advantage of opportunities for the future. but sometimes even though they already have this understanding, there are still many people who experience panic, so it is very important to learn self-control

I am also very sure bitcoin will never die, because it is very easy to search for bitcoin on google, even almost all media are still aggressively reporting about bitcoin, such as Twitter, tiktok, FB and other platforms, so if someone says that bitcoin will die in the year This 2022, I think it's all just a handful of people who hate bitcoin and there are also people who take advantage of all that, sometimes such a person takes advantage of other people's fears, he slanders bitcoin while he himself continues to mine bitcoin and continues to invest bitcoin.

I fail to agree with this sentence in your post, all other things you've said may be correct but this, because bitcoin analysts, influencers, and others that do the same thing as them can't see or know anything out of the ordinary, in short they create their analysis and predictions to boost their followers and to make money from them, you have to do your own research and avoid following what analysts or influencers advice their followers to do.

looks like what you say that bull season is near, seems very hard to prove and true will happen in the near future or for this year. since many analysts don't see that there will be any significant changes this year, simply not dropping bitcoin below $10K is already an achievement in itself so when indeed the bull market is getting closer, the price is not far behind for the increase to run quickly. when it will happen that renewable ATH will not take a long time and can happen soon, because what you say that bitcoin will break the record for renewable ATH will definitely happen and indeed not this year maybe not next year, always be patient for the next halving .

Bitcoin is not dead it is still alive but it is Cryptocurrency and their is no any prediction of its Price that how and when its price got down and high. Cryptocurrency run in 2 trends bull and bear. It is bear season that's why Cryptocurrency is getting lower. But bull season is near and BTC will break their past records in the coming season.

I would not be much affected by whoever made the other thread that bitcoin is dead. That's all bullshit so they can step in and steal all the supporters of Bitcoin. Why? Simply because they inherit the name in their fork coin and it will confuse people on where they will plant their new investment. Now, thinking it is them, it is a chance they are willing to take. So, creating FUD about Bitcoin is their priority because of the thought of being next in line which is pure imagination. They are not even in discussions of the top crypto competition.
They will use every tool, every hole they can find just to debunk Bitcoin.

Mostly People claiming that bitcoin is dead has been a long standing thing, Most of the time shitcoin holders and whales try to spread the FUD about it so the panic sellers sell her all investment due to this market goes down

You will generally see hundred of such articles and fake claims like btc is dead in the bear market even when the btc is not going too much down so what else do you expect from them? Most of the time shitcoin holders and whales try to spread the FUD about it so the panic sellers buy some of those coins seeing it's going down but they don't realise the altcoin rally is dependent on btc growth only.So we have seen these dead propoganda for years so not to worry a lot about it.

The fact that a lot of people agrees in something that’s does not make it true. We’ve seen in history times when everybody agreed in that the Earth was flat. It was not.

This “climate change” theory is in the realm of what I call “modern anthropocentrism”. This is the idea that looks to allocate humans as the center and most important entity of the universe.

First, humans are not the center of the universe and do not have that power. As much as this “climate change” religion wants human activities to be blame for changes that have always happened along the history of the Earth, there’s no data to confirm or demonstrate anything. It was the case of ancient religions that blame plagues and many other natural disasters on humans having too much sex. Well, I do not discuss other people’s beliefs, but this is what it is. Do not call it science.
 
No, there’s no data to prove any “climate change”. Another different thing is that those “scientists” have been bought to defend these theories and whose budgets depends on linking every single “scientific study” to climate change. At the most, data started to be collected 90 years ago. Withing an Earth history of around 4.500 billion years, 90 years does not represent a considerable amount of scientific data to extract any conclusion. It represents 2 x 10^-9 of the total time history of the Earth. Would you give credit to any study that came out supported with this proportion from the total of data available in any other field? You wouldn’t and if you would, you do not understand how science works.

Respecting to the engineering side of the discussion, the so-called renewables cannot provide on their own electricity to cover demand. Renewables produce electricity independently from consumption peaks. This means, that they can be producing a lot of energy when nobody is consuming, so you must throw it away (derivate it to the ground); or when consumption is really high, they may be not producing at all (no sun, no win, etc.). Therefore, we always will need a base load that cannot depend on external factors (gas, nuclear, carbon, biomass, geothermal, hydro, etc.), that can be turn on and off on real demand needs. This is where BTC mining fits in as an ancillary service to the electrical grid.

There are a lot more factors, like distribution, electrical frequency, voltage, transformations. Electrical production and distribution are still nowadays one of the most complex engineering processes ever invented. Transitioning to one system to another does not only depend on the wish of consumers, politicians or, basically, people who do not understand how electrical grids work and why they have electricity at home. We never ever had so many engineers working on solutions before. People should humble down and wait for them to come up with whatever might work.

Not really something new which whenever we do see a declining market then lots of people do freak out and do keeps telling that this is the end of Bitcoin or even with this market without even trying to look back over

decades time on how this market did behave out specially with Bitcoin which does have its price to be moving whether going up or down.Everything is really just part of a normal phase of a market.

We cant really just be having a single way or path in regarding with price or into its movement.It is really just people been freaking out whenever this market do really make out those
dumping season or declining market without even realizing that this moment are the best time to get yourself into.

It is not a "saving the world" in quotes, it is actually saving the world for sure. I mean you could believe that the world is in danger or not, but you could believe that it is cleaner, there is no fact disputing that, renewable energy is cleaner and why wouldn't we want cleaner world?

What would make it so bad if we had a world where we didn't hurt the world we live in? Why is that so bad? I agree that financially it is not possible as of right now, but moving towards that small by small doesn't sound like a bad thing neither.

Plus, the climate change is something we all have been warning about, and yet nobody does anything about it, when there are fires all around the world and oceans rise to a level where cities are gone, will it be okay if you just came here and say "sorry I didn't believe it"? That would be too late and it is not enough, we do not want you to realize your mistake, we want to prevent you from realizing it.

For me Bitcoin would never die it has faced so many ups and downs before but it is still kicking.
I don't know how many times I have heard something like this whenever Bitcoin is having a downfall we would hear so many negative comments about Bitcoin.

Thanks guys for commenting and keeping my topic alive!

The process of Bitcoin mining wastes around 0.6% of the global energy.
The world is not in a energy crisis. There are enough oil, gas and electricity to cover the global demand at an affordable price.
The three main factors causing energy prices to go thru the roof are:
1. The so called "Green deal" in Europe and all those green fanatics, who want to dump nuclear energy and fossil fuels completely, because it will "save the planet".
2.The money printing machines of the Federal Reserve and the other big central banks around the world.
3.The sanctions against Russia (I'm not a fan of Putin).
There's no point of wasting our time with the Anti-Bitcoin and pro-Ethereum FUDsters. They will keep preaching their nonsense.

It was my mistake, when I have been too fast because OP abused his headline to get attention but later in his topic, he's presenting excuses for Russia's war wrimes against Ukraine.
I will review all future posts more carefully to avoid giving Merit to war supporters. 

You are publishing misinformation because you are brainwashed from Putin's state television.
A list of some points, where Putin has lied, because Putin is a liar:
- Putin has lied, whe he said he will not attack Ukraine because he said "Russia is a friendly country". He said it 2 days before he invaded. Well, we know it was a LIE because Putin is a fascist.
- Putin has lied when he said, he won't kill civilians. Currently, estimated are around 10k killed Ukrainian civilians by RuZZian orks.
- Putin has lied, when he said Zelenskij has no support from Ukrainians.
- Putin has lied, when he said Russia is welcome in Ukraine. Russia has no support in Ukraine at all. In reality, Ukraine don't want to become Putin's puppet state.
- Putin has lied, when he said he is caring for Donbas population: in reality he's sending Donbas population to the frontline, forcing all men into is stupid war.


Putin is not caring for anyone, his only goal is to win his stupid war. He is using brainwashed people like you for spreading his disgunsting propaganda. You are a victim of his propaganda.

Please do your own research and you will detect many more lies from Putin.
You can read about Putin targeting civilians here: https://kyivindependent.com/national/russian-missiles-strike-kyiv-apartment-and-kindergarden-in-photos


Days of Putin friends brainwashed from Russian propaganda are numbered.
Many Telegram groups have exposed how Russian is losing ground in Ukraine and Russian war supporters are fuming.  
Russia seems to be losing quickly.

But I have very bad news for you and your dictator Putin: Ukraine is starting to fight back against RuZZian opressors and RuZZian occupation of Eastern Ukraine AND Crimea will be over soon.
In first place, Putin should stop using his troops a cannon fodder against Ukraine and stop his stupid invasion!

It will be funny to see, which excuses Putin will make up.  
Like his ammunitions depots are frequently exploding from "bad maintenance".  
Putin is really a stupid liar.


You are disgusting here, supporting Russian fascism and Russian war crimes!
What's wrong in your head to make excuses for Putin's war crimes?  

So @JaimeAlejandro, stop supporting Russian fascism, called Rashism. Stop supporting fascist dicator Putler in a free Bitcoin forum! Bitcoin is against dictators like Putin, Bitcoin is against war!
Putin will be brougt to court and get his punishment!
History will condemn all Putin and war supporting rashist, brainwashed gnomes!

You will go down in history same like Hitler's supporters!
Better admit your mistake now and stop making excuses for Putin's war crimes!

In order to understand how the US has created this “artificial energy crisis” and why EU countries are supporting it, just look at this chart of the EUR/USD:



The EUR started tumbling down in May 2021. They need an excuse for the plummeting EUR, and even if it costs human lives in Ukraine, or leaves all Northern Europe without heat this winter, or it causes many companies in the EU to go bankrupt, or workers lose their jobs, they just don’t care. Everything is Russians fault (substitute “Russian” with “Jews” and you are reading a 1926 post… same argument, different scapegoat).

Meanwhile, the RUB that got affected initially by sanctions against Russia, recovered and it has increased a 26% its value respecting the USD. It looks pretty stable to me:



Remember, this is a USD/RUB chart. USD is in the numerator and the RUB is in the denominator, so when the chart goes down, numerator is losing its value respecting the denominator (USD is loosing value respecting the RUB).

So, sanctions are doing absolutely nothing to Russia. They are destroying the EU. US knows it and is trying to bankrupt the EU, so citizens go nuts and the EU crumbles down in internal conflicts. If it causes a full war that allows the US to sell more guns, the better. With allies like the US, who needs enemies?

As I have already exposed before, this is how the US got from absolute bankruptcy in the late XIX century to accumulate 75 % of world capital at the end of WWII. They want to repeat it. And EU politicians just don’t care. I guess they already have bought their mansions in Florida.
 
And BTC mining will not be affected by this in any way, as it was not affected by the war in Syria, or Yemen, or any other US promoted war anywhere else to fatten US American military industrial complex on the expense of US middle class, and the citizens of those countries that are destroyed with these wars.

More on why BTC mining won’t be affected by any prefab “energy crisis”... so it is far from dead.

Please, guys, read this article: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant. This read will give you an overall view of how much of this “energy crisis” is pure warmongering and invention.

Check out how much of the “information” (misinformation) published by Western media people is believing. Well, do not need to read the article that has no interest at all, and you will find the contradictions in the first paragraphs. Read the comments! Nobody is deep throating US war propaganda, not even in the US. Most of these comments are US Americans commenting and pointing out the article as pure garbage.

Media is trying make us believe that the Russians, who have occupied militarily the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant are shelling it! Russians are stupid and they occupy a nuclear plant and then, they shell themselves! Inside the comments there’s one saying that this is precisely why nobody is believing Ukrainians, and this is why support for them has gone South.

It needs guts and a feeling of absolute superiority over the rest, poor retarded inferior beings, to publish this and think that we are going to believe it. If that sense of superiority over the rest of us is not one of the main attributes of Nazism, what is it? This type of Western media articles is precisely what it is making almost impossible to debunk Russians accusations of Nazism in Ukraine and the countries supporting their non-democratic regime.

And ZeroHedge is between those US American media who still have a critical stand. Imagine what the other mainstream media might be publishing. They don’t publish. They vomit. Just open your mouth and swallow. It is disgusting.

While searching for the list of bitcoin's death orbituary, came across this information from a website. This provides with the yearly list on bitcoin's death. For all those who believe with the death of bitcoin can find the information of bitcoin's death.

Bitcoin Obituaries

a touching title :
BITCOIN IS NOT DEAD! in the post on : September 04, 2022, 02:04:07 PM
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Some say Bitcoin is dead but Bitcoin is not dead in the post on : September 04, 2022, 05:03:22 PM

       a good topic to talk about even though it has the same meaning between the two.
and an argument about the Russia-Ukraine war I hope both of them are better off not cornering each other and more mature in dealing with differences....
and of course when someone gives merit,he has read and believes the topic is a topic that deserves an award, without looking at other posts outside the topic....
and for someone who responds to a conflict/war between countries: it would be nice to speak more wisely and provide a review that is realistic and actual so that it can be trusted, if possible include a link about the news so that our argument is stronger and does not seem to blame and corner

You are spreading disgusting Kremlin propaganda and downplaying Putin's war crimes what he is doing in Ukraine. 

I'm not insulting anyone but you are insulting people in Ukraine, people suffering from Putin's war. Imagine you have to fear every night to get bombed, when going outside, you can get bombed any second.
It is what Putin is doing to Ukrainians.
Putin is a war criminal.

Don't talk about manners, when you are literally downplaying Putin's war crimes!


It is not, your text is just some nonsense, lies and bullshit compilation. It's a praise of Putin and declaring RuZZia as a victim, while RuZZia is bombing Ukraine.
It's not related to BTC except because Putin was banning BTC recently for normal people.
I beleived it's a good topic about Bitcoin and was tricked into giving you a Merit, which you don't deserve at all!


Your history is not correct here. You comparisons are disgusting because Russia is not a victim. Ukraine is victim. And who’s offender? Who's bombing Ukraine? – It's RuZZia!

Jews were victims, when Nazi Germans tried to eliminate all Jews. It was a horrible crime and you are abusing it for your misguided pro Putin propaganda. Russia is not a victim. Russia is offender by invading Ukraine and killing Ukrainians.


Your history is wrong again, US did not cause Holocaust. It was Germany and I can tell you it was not nice because I'm also from Germany. We should learn from it and never start a war again, stand up against dictators like Putin.

But like in Nazi Germany, many Germans supported Nazis, now in Russia, many Russians are supporting Putin and Rashism, which is Russian fascism. And you have also supported Putin. We should stand up against Putin and expose his crimes.
You are abusing your flawed Holocaust excuses for your misguided pro Putin propaganda. Literally, Putin is a Russian fascist.
Do some research about Rashism.

Get some information, what Putin is doing in Ukraine. He has destroyed Mariupol, a very large city of Ukraine, 500k inhabitants. Mariupol is ruined because Putin bombed and invaded it, large parts of Mariupol are completely destroyed. Now, only 150k people are still left because so many parts of Mariupol are destroyed.
It's not just Mariupol, Putins rashists have destroyed many cities in Ukraine.

Please stop supporting RuZZian war crimes and do your own research, not blindly trust in Putin propaganda!


Please take your meds, you need it. 

CZ of binance admonished the bitcoin community to see Every Bitcoin Is Dead Headline As a Buying Opportunity.
So personally, it's doesn't matter what anybody say about Bitcoin, people are free to air and are also entitled to their opinion, and such as "Bitcoin is dead" comments or posts is not something new, it is something many people have said even when bitcoin was way cheaper than it currently is, yet amid all this opinions, price of bitcoin still increased significantly, so this shows that anybody opinion of bitcoin doesn't really drive it, when its time for bitcoin to reach a new all time high in price, it will happen.

This is a constant thing and to them Bitcoin is always dead but yet bitcoin keep soaring higher, the proof of work have constantly been under attack due to it energy consumption, and most anti Bitcoin are basing their agreement on that factors to discredit Bitcoin and it scalability attempt. Most of the anti Bitcoin crusades are based on the environmental impact of Bitcoin mining on the atmosphere and the concerns of Bitcoin energy consumptions. That is why there have been attempt to move ethereum from the pow concessions to proof of stake which is said to be less energy and eco friendly. All this is just an assumptions any ways.

People claiming that bitcoin is dead has been a long standing thing, mostly FUD. If you read these types of articles that say this, take a deeper look in to them and you’ll often see there’s an underlying theme that the author is portraying that is often due to some sort of reasoning as to why the don’t like bitcoin. Often you see this from altcoin fans like with bitcoin cash.

This is one of my favorite cryptoart pieces

If there really is research and accurate predictions that Bitcoin is Dead, I will be the first to dispute this news, and then why are there still so many people in this forum, from here it is clear that people will not believe with it all. I think there is no need for further research on the longevity of Bitcoin.

Now Bitcoin is only offered in a declining value and price or low price, that doesn't mean Bitcoin is dead, the market conditions that caused this to happen and make many people worry too much, actually the movement of this market chart has been like that from the start, and no one can predict it if there is I don't really believe it.

My final word on this made up “energy crisis” that will “kill BTC mining” (so BTC) is on that extreme Russian hate promoter that presides the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen. Her most absurd recent statement is that the “EU cannot allow Russia win this war”.

She can’t even come to terms with reality. Russia has already won this war. Every single part of Ukraine already under control of Russia will never be turned back. This is the Ukrainian pathetic “Gibraltar”. But in this case, Spain lost a stupid pebble, with no economic value and, nowadays with satellites and modern communications systems, not even strategic value. It is just a moronic long term pride dispute only in the brain of the less intelligent Spaniards and British. The rest don’t even care about it.

Ukraine, on the contrary, has already lost a quarter of their country and it only depends on Russia how much more they’re going to lose. As much they delay a peace agreement with Russia, the more people will suffer and die, and the more parts of their country their giving away.

So, concluding my intervention, there’s no such “energy crisis” threatening BTC mining as much as it does not matter what the EU, UK or the US do from now on, Russia has already won this war.

The unilateralism US has thriven for since the end of the USSR is gone, as ETH will be as soon as people realize that turning to POS has erased the only good feature ETH had respecting legacy fiat currencies. Hope is the only support for ETH, as it was the case for so many crypto scams. Reality is the cure when hope turns vicious.

So BTC, no, it won’t be affected by a made up “energy” crisis that’s only in the imagination of people whose brains have been shucked by mainstream media and TV. Please, get rid of your TV set and your perspective about the world will immediately change.

This link will help many to understand why this is not an energy crisis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=2s. This is US American professor John Mearsheimer. Of course, he is a Russian propagandist and spook, as much as Ron Paul, Tulsi Gabbard and many other authentic US Americans patriots, and everyone who does not bent down to the US warmongers are.

With this I do not say that everything Russia does is correct, or I agree with it. No, that’s not what I’m saying. But that’s also quite different from blaming Russia for anything and everything.

Russia could have a more friendly approach to BTC. Once they have already been isolated, sanctioned and blocked from the corrupt international financial fiat system, they could have gone full into declaring BTC legal tender. They haven’t done it.

Yes, I’m pretty sure, although they are denying it, they are accepting BTC as a means of exchange for their “dirty oil and gas” (when the oil and gas was coming from anywhere else, it was not “dirty” for the EU commissioners… now, it helps them to spread hate against their new “Jews” scapegoats).

And yes, for those Russian haters, ETH creator, Vitálik Buterin, is Russian! Oh yes, if you look in Wikipedia in English, he is Canadian…   … this ally of global elitists and BTC haters cannot be Russian! They hate Russians even more than BTC! But if you change that Wikipedia link to Spanish says he’s Russian. In French, Canadian-Russian (how typical of the French that in WWII had a Nazi government who helped Hitler to exterminate Jews, and convinently finished between the winners of the war, and the "savers of the Jews").

So, yes, anyone owning a BTC node is helping Russia to evade sanctions. But that was precisely the goal of the cypher punks who created BTC: to have an uncensored, free, decentralized monetary base that absolute nobody could temper with for their dirt political and warmongering purposes. And if you watch John Mearsheimer’s conference link above, you will understand why Russia is not the aggressor in this war. They are just the mean to make believe highly misinformed people we have “an energy crisis”. So, you can breathe with piece of mind if you are a Russian hater while you own a BTC node. The contradiction is not in your BTC node. It is in your hate towards Russians (or anybody else). Stop hating others!

ETH does not fulfill this purpose. Once it completely moves to POS, it’s a duplicate of the USD or the EUR. In terms of monetary theory and practice, where is the innovation? Nowhere.

I’m the one exposing arguments. You’re the one insulting and disqualifying with the typical derogatory adjectives. It is evident who cannot keep his manners and discuss as a normal, educated person. Nothing new.

Anyway, thanks for “not reading and giving me that Merit”. It seems to me you hold many of your opinions without reading. If my post is going to help you to resolve your issues with reading, I have already done my good deed.

And my original post is perfectly centered in the issue. There is no energy problem that will affect BTC mining.

My position on the “energy crisis” and all my arguments support my thesis that this is not an energy crisis, but a moral one. The same moral crisis that already affected Europe, Russia, and many other countries when Jews where to blame for anything that went wrong anywhere.

Then it was Russia, France, Germany, and many others falsely accusing Jews. Now it is the US, UK, and many others accusing Russia for anything that goes wrong with them: all the corruption in the US, all the money squander, the Pentagon missing spending invoices, the infrastructure crumbling down, the rampant inflation, the voting machines obvious flaws, crazy people shooting others everywhere (nothing to do with guns but more likely with the absolute lack of mental health in the US), and even because US Americans call “football” a sport that is played with the hands… that too is Russia’s fault. It is exactly the same phenomenon that happened with the Jews from the late XIX to the mid XX century. This time, US craziness won’t go as far as exterminating Russians, thank goodness.

Here is one interesting link on how antisemitism started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair. Soon will have links on how “anti-Russian-ism” replaced antisemitism in the Western world as the perfect excuse to send people to the meat mincer.  

This new anti-whatever-ism is going to destroy Europe, but if they don’t care, why should we? BTC won’t be affected by anything of this. On the contrary, many Europeans should start thinking about getting out of the EUR and stocking BTC.

whenever you are discussing a topic on a particular board then it is very patinent to pay attention strictly on the board requirements areas of discussion, we cares about ETH here, this is mainly bitcoin and we focus on everything partaining it.

OP your talks goes much on relating PoW with PoS if am correct, but am not yet clear about which side you really belong.


everyday comes in with different people with different and contrary talks about bitcoin even while on this forum but we cannot give an attentive hearings to them because the forum here is all about bitcointalk but we must consider interest on areas the serves a benefit to the network and also perform the function of ignore button on users not getting it on point.

From the past until now many people have stated and assumed that bitcoin was dead but in fact Bitcoin still exists today. All Fuds about bitcoin are dead, in my opinion, there are a lot of people who buy and hold Bitcoin so there is a big bubble, making the price higher and until now Bitcoin is still there but still in correction.

Let's try to stay on the topic, you have already made a good thread on why Bitcoin is not dead (and why Bitcoin SV should be put in a bughouse).

Remember that most people will only read the titles and never actually open the threads, so the title should convey the point as much as possible, so that unnecessary FUD on the part of the readers can be mitigated.

Unfortunately, I have sent you a Merit because I expected a good debunk of BSV's topic but you topic is full of lies, where you support RuZZian war crimes and you downplayed Holocaust.

It's sad, I have not read your bullshit Kremlin propaganda before giving out a Merit.
Lesson for me: read before giving Merit!

Wrong!
RuZZia attacked Ukraine because Ukraine did a revolution against Putin's puppet Yanukovych. And because Putin hates democracy and freedom, he attacked Ukraine in 2014 by occupying Crimea and backing pro Putin forces in Donbas.
Putin forced his agenda by increasingly sending Russians into crimea and Donbas, while trying to opress Ukrainians.


You are wrong, RuZZia attacked Ukraine and tried to occupy Ukraine but Ukraine fought back.
Putin tries to establish a RuZZian empire by enslaving Ukraine but Ukraine doesn't want to be RuZZIa's puppet state.
Stop downplaying Holocaust!


You claim is wrong because RuZZia is attacking Ukraine.
Putin started a war against Ukraine, is it so difficult to understand for you?

Most likely, you are far away from Ukraine, so you don't care what Putin is doing against Ukrainian Civilians!

Please stopp supporting RuZZian war crimes against Ukraine!

And those rumors were always spread by haters of bitcoin. and team members of those who forked bitcoin and then claim that their version of bitcoin is the real bitcoin. bitcoin will never die.

bitcoin has always been rumored to be dead and has been declared dead almost hundreds of times but until now bitcoin still exists, you can find it on google with the keyword bitcoin is dead, no need to worry about that bitcoin will still live 

It could be.

Everything Saifedean Ammous exposes in his interview is related to how governments need fiat currencies to survive to keep on going with their criminal never ending wars. As a fact, as you can hear in this interview, BTC will help us to finish WWI. Yes, it never ended. Global fiat money system was created to start WWI and it kept on going to never end it. War in Ukraine is just another battle. ETH is just another fiat currency under the disguise of a cryptocurrency to divert people from BTC. So, yes, there are plenty of these spooks around everywhere. He just might be one of them.

The final purpose of fiat currency is the purpose of warmongering states and their abusive powers. They need to stop BTC. It is BTC or them. And they haven’t found a way to stop it. And their only tool, by now, is misinformation and pure defamation. ETH is just another part of that plan.

Do you want to talk about this topic?: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5411824
Having come across that thread, I can say that he appears to be the only person in this forum who is against Bitcoin. He always appears every time bitcoin plummets in value, he keeps saying bitcoin will die every time he shows up. He hates bitcoin but supports other altcoins like XRP, ADA...I don't know his real problem is he is anti-bitcoin, maybe he lost too much investment in bitcoin? Or is he a government spy?

Bitcoin is not dead, it is right now just offered at a lower price.
When you say dead, you need to require for Bitcoin to be not functional, or developers have abandoned it or Bitcoin was hacked.
But Bitcoin is working as intended.
So - Bitcoin is not dead.

Bitcoin has been proclaimed every every bear market and resurrect again like Jesus, its a never ending cycled of Life and Death. and while there will be mining farms making the network secure, BTC will not die.

we know for a fact that energy comes from gas and nuclear power plant which runs the mining farms. we also believe POW is more secure so why are we supporting gas reduction. feels like we were just brainwashed thru this climate change that we were not to support using fossil fuels. it now cause the change of lives of the people in EU.

Once again — just like every couple of weeks, Bitcoin is going to be pronounced dead. Crap like this is really nothing new.

https://www.bitcoinisdead.org/

tl;dr
No need to do more research. When you check a blockchain explorer site like mempool and you see new blocks are always created, that's enough to make sure that the bitcoins are still alive.

The statement that "bitcoin is a waste of energy" is endless, because bitcoin with an anonymous founder grew up in its own way without paying "tributes" to interested people. It is different with the known industrial owners, they are good at keeping the protestors' mouths shut in order to spend more energy.

You might find the answer to this argument that BTC mining might be some type of centralization in the interview I posted: https://podverse.fm/es/episode/m3jJcVzOl (it is very long, but worth the time). It was already the case in the hard fork tryout in December 2017 when miners and some institutions tried to modify BTC core to increase its data capacity. That data increase would have hampered many to own a node. It would probably have required big machines, big data servers, and big energy consumption not available to most of us. This would have resulted in a real BTC centralization. Then, it was proven that power resides in the nodes and not in the miners. They, as Mr. Ammous explains, are service providers to the nodes (their owners). They invest money and make a return because there are nodes sustaining the network and deciding what BTC core is the right one. Nodes are the real owners of BTC. And anyone can setup a node to become a BTC network co-owner.

A lot of reports I've seen around here state that bitcoin (and most pow coin) use, on average, a higher proportion of waste energy when compared with other areas of electricity use too (especially because they run 24 hours and need to be set up in places with lower rates to be more effective).

I think the is a bit of an issue with pow in that it might incentivise large energy producers to mine themselves and thus might make the network more centralised as a result (there are ways around this, like getting enough individuals to solomine with only a few chips - or just one) but ultimately the power might come back to the energy firms.

(I still consider PoW to be a lot more secure than PoS though and more reasonable of a choice).

There is an ETH propaganda topic in this forum with the title “BITCOIN IS DEAD!”. The base argument is that “There is an energy and raw materials crisis all over the world” and BTC needs to move to POS to survive. This is my answer that I don’t want to be moderated by him. So here comes my BITCOIN IS NOT DEAD!

If there’s no energy for BTC, there won’t be energy for anything, in which case you won’t need to worry about BTC or ETH.

But there is no lack of energy. There is lack of intelligence and abundance of malice: the one the US is using to strangle the EU, governed by servants of the US empire of injustice, who are playing the same cards of the French Bourbons (they lost the head in the game) against UK during the independence of the US. US promoted, first, a coup the tat in 2014 in Ukraine to incite this Russian invasion, plus US never respected the deal not to increase NATO with former Warsaw Pact countries, right after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Second, US is promoting the most insidious campaign against Russians, only comparable to the campaign against Jews started in the Czarist Russia that, later, moved on to Central Europe to finish in the Holocaust. In this case, Russia has the means to defend themselves (it was not the case of the Jews), and the US, which could not win a war against a country of plain sheep herders (Afghanistan), will not win this war either.

Once this is clear and massive protests erupt in Europe, their governments will tumble down or Europe will finish in a total war. I really think this is the real purpose of the US, which went from total bankruptcy in the late XIX century to accumulate 75 % of world total capital (it was gold then) at the end of WWII. I don’t think it was done on purpose back then, but I think it is now. US wants to repeat this massive theft. In any case and for the rest of the world (“F the EU” as Victoria Nuland said, and more if they are a bunch of idiots), energy trade will resume to normal. So there will be planty of electricity for BTC mining.  

Respecting to BTC, its value resides precisely in the fact that it is a POW technology, and that it has a limit of emission, which ETH lacks (another fiat currency as any other one based in the multiplication of units). It is a proven mathematical and economic theorem that any money based on the unlimited multiplication of its units, its value tends to cero over the time (the pathetic case of ETH). On the contrary, any money based on the subdivision of units which total amount cannot be multiplied (the case of BTC), its value tends to increase with only one limit: wealth over the crust of the Earth.

It does not matter any other ETH utility might have. Many things have crucial utility (water, oxygen, etc.), and its abundance invalidates those material substances to be used as money. The ETH defenders lack the understanding of what money is, which is something you do not learn programming computers. They need to study economics profoundly. This is the main difference between BTC and ETH creators. Whoever Satoshi Nakamoto were, they knew about cryptography, programming, computing, and economics. These ETH guys do not understand economics. Even Isaac Newton, in the 1700 knew then more than these guys know now.

Maybe they should start with this interview to economist Saifedean Ammous to understand the real value of BTC as money: https://podverse.fm/es/episode/m3jJcVzOl.

We’ll see sometime in the future who is right and who is wrong.

Good luck, everyone.