its okay im newbie but i cant understand why problem is this im in the it sector more than 10year and i have got a good team and a good idea for a startup really i think its a really rude to say my house is nothing here 
i think you are nothing here too:) every people can think and if anybody intersted in my startup we can discuss in private:)
have a good day
i think you are nothing here too:) every people can think and if anybody intersted in my startup we can discuss in private:)have a good day
And for both of them, they're the same topic name and first post description. And for both of them, you lack important details. (This should also be in long-term loans, which you won't get) If you're using the bitcoins for a startup, then you could at least provide details about it -- since you're providing the lender 30% [shares?] for the business.
in my country the bank loan very hard
if everybody need valid collatheral i have got 3 iphone and 2 ipad for escrow
What country are you from?if everybody need valid collatheral i have got 3 iphone and 2 ipad for escrow
And 3 iPhones & 2 iPads doesn't come close to your request of 20 BTC.