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Quote from: kolloh on July 24, 2017, 01:33:37 AM

Using a 3rd party mixer is really the best method if you need privacy. You need to mix with other people's coins for them to truly be mixed. There really isn't any effective way to mix the coins yourself that isn't traceable.

You can mix your coin by yourself enough to exchangers will accept it. Then you send it to exchangers, buy altcoins (you must note that exchangers keeps trading logs) and after there many ways to do with it. For example: use altcoins like DASH, Monero or NXT and mix them in their network. After that send it again to exchanger(from different addresses), sell and mix resulting btc (btc must have different inputs) again.

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Using a 3rd party mixer is really the best method if you need privacy. You need to mix with other people's coins for them to truly be mixed. There really isn't any effective way to mix the coins yourself that isn't traceable.

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Quote from: KenR on July 21, 2017, 03:43:45 AM

You have a point but it depends on the mixer you are using.The log policies vary accordingly, bitmixer.io has a strict no-logs policy.Taken from the Faq:

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What logs are kept?
Absolutely no logs or personally identifying information are kept regarding your use of the Bitmixer service. All logs are permanently removed from both our website database and from our Bitcoin wallet after your coins have been transferred out of our reserve. All forwarding entries are removed after 24 hours.

How can you check it? Why do you believe to them? I think only because you're wear their signature and paid by it.
I can say that I'm Donald Trump or God Emperor of Humanity. Would you believe to me?

Quote from: KenR on July 21, 2017, 03:43:45 AM

Self mixing would always leave the trails behind regardless of your rotations.

If you're have necessary skills, time and money you can write your own mixer with multi inputs and outputs.

Quote from: btctousd81 on July 21, 2017, 09:22:27 AM

you can always contact the mixer site/company and ask them about how do they handle the transactions, i mean do they keep logs and share with government and ask them, will they share your private information on producing court order ?

if all is good, then you can go ahead.

but if the transaction is big enough, then i would start a mixing site just for front, and do mixing myself.

Interesting. Please, ask me if I'm Donald Trump or not. Go ahead.

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Quote from: TechPriest on July 21, 2017, 02:02:31 AM

Quote from: btctousd81 on July 20, 2017, 02:13:28 PM

always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

mixers are cheap, use it.

But mixers is 3rd party and they have mix logs, so they can share it with everyone who will ask. In my opinion it's better to use own "mixer" and have less anonimity than share information with 3rd party.

you can always contact the mixer site/company and ask them about how do they handle the transactions, i mean do they keep logs and share with government and ask them, will they share your private information on producing court order ?

if all is good, then you can go ahead.

but if the transaction is big enough, then i would start a mixing site just for front, and do mixing myself.

A mixing site may not be the most honest of companies on how they collect and share information. (We privately mix your coins but keep logs). Most of them keep logs anyway to ensure you don't mix your coin from a previous input of your previous mixing.

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Quote from: TechPriest on July 21, 2017, 02:02:31 AM

Quote from: btctousd81 on July 20, 2017, 02:13:28 PM

always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

mixers are cheap, use it.

But mixers is 3rd party and they have mix logs, so they can share it with everyone who will ask. In my opinion it's better to use own "mixer" and have less anonimity than share information with 3rd party.

you can always contact the mixer site/company and ask them about how do they handle the transactions, i mean do they keep logs and share with government and ask them, will they share your private information on producing court order ?

if all is good, then you can go ahead.

but if the transaction is big enough, then i would start a mixing site just for front, and do mixing myself.

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Quote from: Dunzo on July 19, 2017, 12:20:02 PM

alright why would you need to mix anyway?

You would need to use mixer if you don't like to compromise your identity specially when you already have send documents on your exchange wallet. Knowing that darknet places is too dangerous and you do really need to hid or stay anonymous as much as you can that's why mixers do really exist and would be the main use on this one. Ive known only about Bitmixer. Its all you need without any hassle on thinking on other things.

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Quote from: TechPriest on July 21, 2017, 02:02:31 AM

But mixers is 3rd party and they have mix logs, so they can share it with everyone who will ask. In my opinion it's better to use own "mixer" and have less anonimity than share information with 3rd party.

You have a point but it depends on the mixer you are using.The log policies vary accordingly, bitmixer.io has a strict no-logs policy.Taken from the Faq:

Quote from: btctousd81 on July 20, 2017, 02:13:28 PM

always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

I concur! Self mixing would always leave the trails behind regardless of your rotations.If anonymity is the real concern,mixers are somewhat 90% close to achieve it.

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Quote from: btctousd81 on July 20, 2017, 02:13:28 PM

always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

mixers are cheap, use it.

But mixers is 3rd party and they have mix logs, so they can share it with everyone who will ask. In my opinion it's better to use own "mixer" and have less anonimity than share information with 3rd party.

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always use mixer, because the mixer has multi input and multi outputs, while if you are planning to do mixxing yourself and create new address and use it as a just middleman, then it can still be traceable even though you move funds betn, your 20+ addresses.,

mixers are cheap, use it.

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Quote from: Dunzo on July 19, 2017, 12:20:02 PM

alright why would you need to mix anyway?

You may want to be anonymous online.
OR you may be using a site that is restricted in your country or that you don't want tracing back to you, then you might want to use a mixer to hide what you are actually doing (whether it works or not is another question as it can still technically be detected where the coins travel to as mixers may make mistakes with the way they link their addresses - as all of their addresses have to be used to fund both themselves and their investers)

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alright why would you need to mix anyway?

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Have already tried to use it with a mixer and the answer is "yes", it is safe. You can use it without fear

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Quote from: HCP on July 17, 2017, 09:38:25 PM

All you are doing is paying fees to move your coins around addresses inside your wallet. You are not "mixing" anything. As soon as you attempt to create a transaction that requires more coins than you have in one address, your wallet is going to add in extra input(s) and then those addresses are forever linked as being controlled by the same person/entity.

I know about it Wink

My "mixer" uses amount of coins which i have on the wallet. Not more.
I didn't say that my "mixer" is better then real mixer but it has real pros against them.

Quote from: HCP on July 17, 2017, 09:38:25 PM

Additionally, it is highly likely that funding of your multiple addresses all comes from common parent addresses/transactions... which would probably enable someone to link all those addresses without you spending the coins.

It isn't right in my way) Sorry, but i'm not so stupid Tongue

Quote from: jackg on July 18, 2017, 10:49:14 AM

hhh. I forgot about public keys as well when bitcoins get sent. The new HD version of bitcoin core can therefore link all of your addresses together and anything else already does it to it's fairly useless to attempt it.

But only you (and persons who know your xPub) can see them.

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Quote from: HCP on July 17, 2017, 09:38:25 PM

Quote from: TechPriest on July 17, 2017, 03:29:38 PM

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

All you are doing is paying fees to move your coins around addresses inside your wallet. You are not "mixing" anything. As soon as you attempt to create a transaction that requires more coins than you have in one address, your wallet is going to add in extra input(s) and then those addresses are forever linked as being controlled by the same person/entity.

Additionally, it is highly likely that funding of your multiple addresses all comes from common parent addresses/transactions... which would probably enable someone to link all those addresses without you spending the coins.

A true mixer will enable you to have multiple addresses that are in no way linked to one another... and obscure the source of those coins.

Ahhh. I forgot about public keys as well when bitcoins get sent. The new HD version of bitcoin core can therefore link all of your addresses together and anything else already does it to it's fairly useless to attempt it.

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Quote from: TechPriest on July 17, 2017, 03:29:38 PM

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

All you are doing is paying fees to move your coins around addresses inside your wallet. You are not "mixing" anything. As soon as you attempt to create a transaction that requires more coins than you have in one address, your wallet is going to add in extra input(s) and then those addresses are forever linked as being controlled by the same person/entity.

Additionally, it is highly likely that funding of your multiple addresses all comes from common parent addresses/transactions... which would probably enable someone to link all those addresses without you spending the coins.

A true mixer will enable you to have multiple addresses that are in no way linked to one another... and obscure the source of those coins.

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Quote from: harmor on July 16, 2017, 11:28:53 AM

Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks Huh

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

No one denies it's not hard. The point is that that coin can still technically be traced back to you more easily.

The idea with a bitcoin mixer is there is a reserve pool of say 1000BTC.
When you send them 100BTC to one of their addresses, a transaction springs up to that value (100BTC - tx fee and handling fee) from a different address.
These coins never touch, their inputs never meet. The coins you deposit is then recycled back into the system and is used again to process another transaction and build up a large network of transactions that are difficult to determine the initial owner of each coin (it is still possible however but takes a much more complex script to match the similar amounts togther).

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Quote from: harmor on July 16, 2017, 11:28:53 AM

Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks Huh

I have a script which creates many addresses in one wallet and can mix my coins between them. It's the safest way, 'cause coins always with you and you know that nobody have mix logs. If you're programmer you can write such script for yourself. It's not hard

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Quote from: harmor on July 16, 2017, 02:44:57 PM

And that could be with bitcoin mixer aswell (stealing)? Maybe you can recommend one thats not scamming?

The one in my signature or the one in the first signature of the first person who posted here are both fairly trustworthy (or should be).

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Quote from: harmor on July 16, 2017, 11:28:53 AM

Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks Huh

Agree with others. Better safe than sorry if I were in your shoes I would surely use a mixing service. Especially for what you're planning to do. You don't want your personal infos linked to the darkweb. And an extra layer of security is never too much. Two websites you can take a look at:
https://bitmixer.io/
https://chipmixer.com/

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Just be mindful to use the "official" bitmixer.io website. There are/were several known "scam" versions that look very VERY similiar to bitmixer that were not affiliated with bitmixer and scammed a number of users.

For the record, the true URL is: https://bitmixer.io/

I'm sure this advice holds true for other well known mixers like BitBlender and the new ChipMixer... make sure you are definitely on the correct site before sending coins!

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Quote from: harmor on July 16, 2017, 02:44:57 PM

And that could be with bitcoin mixer aswell (stealing)? Maybe you can recommend one thats not scamming?

The only option you have here is to use a well established mixing services such as Bitmixer.io which strives to maintain their reputation and remember to always use the first generated Bitmixer code to prevent receiving your own coins from past transactions to help cover your tracks.

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And that could be with bitcoin mixer aswell (stealing)? Maybe you can recommend one thats not scamming?

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Quote from: harmor on July 16, 2017, 11:55:03 AM

Quote from: ranochigo on July 16, 2017, 11:50:29 AM

It can work but I'm really recommending you to just go for a mixer as the safest route. If you were to send it to a wallet, the wallet might just send directly from the receiving address to a destination address. Even if its a service and they send it to their hot wallet first, logs would be kept by the service.

I'm not saying that mixer will not keep logs but you have a better chance with them. Plus, the mixer would erase any associations of the previous transactions.

Thanks mate

Yes, and you still have to pay fees to send it to another wallet.
Even if the wallet doesn't keep logs (because it's a .onion one) it'll note the initial sending address and may just steal your coins as you don't know who is running it.

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Quote from: ranochigo on July 16, 2017, 11:50:29 AM

It can work but I'm really recommending you to just go for a mixer as the safest route. If you were to send it to a wallet, the wallet might just send directly from the receiving address to a destination address. Even if its a service and they send it to their hot wallet first, logs would be kept by the service.

I'm not saying that mixer will not keep logs but you have a better chance with them. Plus, the mixer would erase any associations of the previous transactions.

Thanks mate

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It can work but I'm really recommending you to just go for a mixer as the safest route. If you were to send it to a wallet, the wallet might just send directly from the receiving address to a destination address. Even if its a service and they send it to their hot wallet first, logs would be kept by the service.

I'm not saying that mixer will not keep logs but you have a better chance with them. Plus, the mixer would erase any associations of the previous transactions.

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Okay the thing is I have BTC wallet with my ID and other information, so sending btc to some darknet website could cause a problem.
The question is do I have to use btc mixer to avoid information leakage or I could create .onion free wallet and send from my original to free wallet and then to website wallet? Will It be safe? Thanks Huh

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