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Quote from: dree12 on August 12, 2014, 01:03:28 PM

Quote from: keithers on August 12, 2014, 01:00:18 PM

I believe that if you are located in the United States, any form of a Ponzi Scheme is illegal. Just because Bitcoin is not currently recognized as a currency...does not they won't treat it as so when they are filing charges against you.

This isn't so much a Ponzi Scheme as an elaborate form of gambling, however. The rules are outlined transparently and precisely, so I believe it would better fit under the laws that govern online gambling. Ponzi schemes fall under fraud laws, which I do not think should apply.

IANAL, however.

Online gambling (in the United States at least) will get you immediate scrutiny, and ultimately you will be shut down. It is super unfortunate too because I am a firm believer that any adult should be able to do whatever they choose to do with their own money (as long as it doesn't harm someone else)

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Quote from: keithers on August 12, 2014, 01:00:18 PM

I believe that if you are located in the United States, any form of a Ponzi Scheme is illegal. Just because Bitcoin is not currently recognized as a currency...does not they won't treat it as so when they are filing charges against you.

This isn't so much a Ponzi Scheme as an elaborate form of gambling, however. The rules are outlined transparently and precisely, so I believe it would better fit under the laws that govern online gambling. Ponzi schemes fall under fraud laws, which I do not think should apply.

IANAL, however.

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I believe that if you are located in the United States, any form of a Ponzi Scheme is illegal. Just because Bitcoin is not currently recognized as a currency...does not they won't treat it as so when they are filing charges against you.

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Quote from: MasterOwel on August 04, 2014, 07:53:24 PM

Question, is it legal to perform a Ponzi scheme with bitcoin since it is not recognized as a currency? Huh

I could see some interesting gambling-like sites that use a ponzi scheme in order to allow people to earn money, the more people you refer to the sites the more likely you are to double your BTC by them participating, and so on. After an amount of time (as stated by the site clearly) the unpaid for people could receive 50% of what they put in or something along those lines. That way it's not a scam, and you know what you are getting into.

Just curious.

No. It does not matter how to promise to pay your investors back, if you make a promise that you know you cannot keep and have no intention on keeping, and you intentionally deceive your investors then you are breaking the law.

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Quote from: MasterOwel on August 11, 2014, 08:49:22 PM

Quote from: botany on August 11, 2014, 08:18:16 PM

Is bitcoin legal? Of course it is!

But the World Bank considers it to be a 'naturally occurring Ponzi scheme' Roll Eyes

http://www.coindesk.com/world-bank-report-bitcoin-naturally-occurring-ponzi/

I know bitcoin is legal, I had no questions about that.

I was just pointing out that the World Bank considers bitcoin to be Ponzi scheme.

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Without a doubt it's legal, why wouldn't it be? Tongue

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Quote from: botany on August 11, 2014, 08:18:16 PM

Is bitcoin legal? Of course it is!

But the World Bank considers it to be a 'naturally occurring Ponzi scheme' Roll Eyes

http://www.coindesk.com/world-bank-report-bitcoin-naturally-occurring-ponzi/

I know bitcoin is legal, I had no questions about that.

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Is bitcoin legal? Of course it is!

But the World Bank considers it to be a 'naturally occurring Ponzi scheme' Roll Eyes

http://www.coindesk.com/world-bank-report-bitcoin-naturally-occurring-ponzi/

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Yeah, so I set it up and this is what it looks like: http://creeptech.com/

It is shown quite bluntly to be a Ponzi Scheme and so I see no issue in this. What are your opinions?

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Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on August 04, 2014, 07:58:47 PM

If you clearly state that it is a Ponzi scheme from the start i don't see why. There are already sites that do that, don't now if they are legit:
http://ponzidoge.com/

And in case you don't state that you run a Ponzi scheme but it is, well that's pretty much 99% altcoins right now, so there's that Grin

Bitcoin and Altcoin trading is completely unregulated for now, you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want.
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Is it legit?That i'm not certain about but checkout appropriate laws then proceed

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Quote from: MasterOwel on August 04, 2014, 07:53:24 PM

Question, is it legal to perform a Ponzi scheme with bitcoin since it is not recognized as a currency? Huh

I could see some interesting gambling-like sites that use a ponzi scheme in order to allow people to earn money, the more people you refer to the sites the more likely you are to double your BTC by them participating, and so on. After an amount of time (as stated by the site clearly) the unpaid for people could receive 50% of what they put in or something along those lines. That way it's not a scam, and you know what you are getting into.

Just curious.

I think ponzi schemes are generally not legal :-)

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Ask pirateat40 about ponzi schemes. He's the expert.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pirateat40-35827

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I suppose it would be a legal gray area.
Whilst bitcoin is not a currency it is effectively a commodity, it would be similar to wagering gold rather than "Currency".

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you want do that ?
end of money its end of customer before scheme close order.

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Yes. My project will very directly state that it is a Ponzi scheme, and that after each duration of running, people will be refunded a specific amount and out of the rest I will put some percentage to the next duration, and pocket some percentage. I haven't gone into calculating numbers yet as I'm still designing the site and the general idea.

This is the first time I've touched bitcoin transactions like this. Never really messed with programming for bitcoin.

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The gambling section right now, and has been for a while now, filled with websites/companies explicitly stating they are running a ponzi, and a few, less successful ones, that try to hide their scheme and disguise it as a legitimate business venture. For whatever reason, people are willing to bet their money that someone else will bet their money after them. If you plan on starting up one of these, just make it different from what people have already made and you may get someone to bite.

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Quote from: MasterOwel on August 04, 2014, 08:02:04 PM

Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on August 04, 2014, 07:58:47 PM

If you clearly state that it is a Ponzi scheme from the start i don't see why. There are already sites that do that, don't now if they are legit:
http://ponzidoge.com/

And in case you don't state that you run a Ponzi scheme but it is, well that's pretty much 99% altcoins right now, so there's that Grin

Alright. I've had the thought for a couple days about building my own website similar to this. And have already started coding it (everyone needs to make a couple websites now and then right? Wink

) But it didn't even occur to me that it could be illegal until someone offhandedly mentioned it to me. I'm hoping to get more users on it by straight up calling it a Ponzi scheme.

Yeah clearly say it in the website explaining what the site is about. Regulation or not if you say exactly what it is you should be fine anyway.
I know there are some legal issues with (online) gambling in general in some countries...

Let us know about the project, sounds cool Grin

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Quote from: Wandererfromthenorth on August 04, 2014, 07:58:47 PM

If you clearly state that it is a Ponzi scheme from the start i don't see why. There are already sites that do that, don't now if they are legit:
http://ponzidoge.com/

And in case you don't state that you run a Ponzi scheme but it is, well that's pretty much 99% altcoins right now, so there's that Grin

Alright. I've had the thought for a couple days about building my own website similar to this. And have already started coding it (everyone needs to make a couple websites now and then right? Wink

) But it didn't even occur to me that it could be illegal until someone offhandedly mentioned it to me. I'm hoping to get more users on it by straight up calling it a Ponzi scheme.

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If you clearly state that it is a Ponzi scheme from the start i don't see why. There are already sites that do that, don't now if they are legit:
http://ponzidoge.com/

And in case you don't state that you run a Ponzi scheme but it is, well that's pretty much 99% altcoins right now, so there's that Grin

Bitcoin and Altcoin trading is completely unregulated for now, you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want.

MasterOwel

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Question, is it legal to perform a Ponzi scheme with bitcoin since it is not recognized as a currency? Huh

I could see some interesting gambling-like sites that use a ponzi scheme in order to allow people to earn money, the more people you refer to the sites the more likely you are to double your BTC by them participating, and so on. After an amount of time (as stated by the site clearly) the unpaid for people could receive 50% of what they put in or something along those lines. That way it's not a scam, and you know what you are getting into.

Just curious.

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