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Topic: Bitcoin price cannot fall infinitely (Read 2542 times)

sr. member
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September 19, 2014, 10:58:56 AM
#39
I am not attached to this investment or any other investment, I try to be as objective as possible... and this didnt fail me, the only time I lost money was when I listened to perma-bulls or perma-bears, you have to find a healthy balance and more objectivity.

+1 we all have to remind ourselves to remember to follow these wise words.
newbie
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September 19, 2014, 10:08:53 AM
#38
Unless having a Solar farm high in the Siberian mountains for mining. Then after initial investment free coins Cheesy

But what kind of network connection do you think you could get in a location like that? Satellite bandwidth surely ain't cheap.
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 09:47:38 AM
#37
Miners ? what about the other 12 million Bitcoin ? if only 5% of that 12 million hit these thin book orders of today's exchanges...Bitcoin will not hold $100 and not $400

you sold everything right? it's normal to react in this way, when you are not attached to your thing again



It's actually Investing 101 lesson that you should not have an emotional attachment to your investment Smiley

who said that was emotional?

I am not attached to this investment or any other investment, I try to be as objective as possible... and this didnt fail me, the only time I lost money was when I listened to perma-bulls or perma-bears, you have to find a healthy balance and more objectivity.
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 09:43:38 AM
#36
Miners ? what about the other 12 million Bitcoin ? if only 5% of that 12 million hit these thin book orders of today's exchanges...Bitcoin will not hold $100 and not $400

you sold everything right? it's normal to react in this way, when you are not attached to your thing again



It's actually Investing 101 lesson that you should not have an emotional attachment to your investment Smiley

who said that was emotional?
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 07:49:40 AM
#35
How comforting is that to you ?




Yeah, the Bitstamp order book looks horrible. You'd think more people would want to catch a btc-e style flash crash, but obviously not.
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 02:46:33 AM
#34
Listen. Some miners are fucked. They bought un returnable, unsellable rigs, they rent storage space. They have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to sell their coins. They're run by businessmen who made a mistake. Not 16 year old boys who suck off satoshi and have wet dreams about the Fed burning down. Not spartans who hodl. This is how the game is. Some miners buy their chips for 1/10th of what you and I would have to pay. Some countries are cold and have cheap electricity. Saying a bitcoin costs $400 to make is naive. Saying this is a good price is retarded. Ontop of that you have tons of factors. Miners will sell because they have no choice. They have to pay their shit using fiat. Some of you guys are so dumb.

Unless having a Solar farm high in the Siberian mountains for mining. Then after initial investment free coins Cheesy
hero member
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September 19, 2014, 02:46:10 AM
#33
Listen. Some miners are fucked. They bought un returnable, unsellable rigs, they rent storage space. They have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to sell their coins. They're run by businessmen who made a mistake. Not 16 year old boys who suck off satoshi and have wet dreams about the Fed burning down. Not spartans who hodl. This is how the game is. Some miners buy their chips for 1/10th of what you and I would have to pay. Some countries are cold and have cheap electricity. Saying a bitcoin costs $400 to make is naive. Saying this is a good price is retarded. Ontop of that you have tons of factors. Miners will sell because they have no choice. They have to pay their shit using fiat. Some of you guys are so dumb.
You would say the same thing about gold, right?

Have you seen gold miners ETF?
donator
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September 19, 2014, 02:44:02 AM
#32
Listen. Some miners are fucked. They bought un returnable, unsellable rigs, they rent storage space. They have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to sell their coins. They're run by businessmen who made a mistake. Not 16 year old boys who suck off satoshi and have wet dreams about the Fed burning down. Not spartans who hodl. This is how the game is. Some miners buy their chips for 1/10th of what you and I would have to pay. Some countries are cold and have cheap electricity. Saying a bitcoin costs $400 to make is naive. Saying this is a good price is retarded. Ontop of that you have tons of factors. Miners will sell because they have no choice. They have to pay their shit using fiat. Some of you guys are so dumb.
You would say the same thing about gold, right?
hero member
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September 19, 2014, 02:40:10 AM
#31
Some of you guys are so dumb.

I'm gonna miss all the comedy gold when bitcoin dies.   Cry
sr. member
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September 19, 2014, 02:06:15 AM
#30
Listen. Some miners are fucked. They bought un returnable, unsellable rigs, they rent storage space. They have absolutely no choice whatsoever but to sell their coins. They're run by businessmen who made a mistake. Not 16 year old boys who suck off satoshi and have wet dreams about the Fed burning down. Not spartans who hodl. This is how the game is. Some miners buy their chips for 1/10th of what you and I would have to pay. Some countries are cold and have cheap electricity. Saying a bitcoin costs $400 to make is naive. Saying this is a good price is retarded. Ontop of that you have tons of factors. Miners will sell because they have no choice. They have to pay their shit using fiat. Some of you guys are so dumb.
sr. member
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September 19, 2014, 02:01:23 AM
#29
Miners ? what about the other 12 million Bitcoin ? if only 5% of that 12 million hit these thin book orders of today's exchanges...Bitcoin will not hold $100 and not $400

you sold everything right? it's normal to react in this way, when you are not attached to your thing again



It's actually Investing 101 lesson that you should not have an emotional attachment to your investment Smiley
legendary
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September 19, 2014, 01:20:04 AM
#28
Miners ? what about the other 12 million Bitcoin ? if only 5% of that 12 million hit these thin book orders of today's exchanges...Bitcoin will not hold $100 and not $400

you sold everything right? it's normal to react in this way, when you are not attached to your thing again

legendary
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Borsche
September 19, 2014, 01:14:22 AM
#27
Power used to be a significant cost in bitcoin mining, now it's hardware deprecation. If you don't mine for a month the difficulty will have gone up so much you will have lost out on 20% of your potential income. However, the way prices are going now, I think there will be less and less people investing in new mining hardware, so the difficulty rate will stop increasing as fast. This will go on to make it easier for people who already own mining hardware by reducing the deprecation rate, consequently taking the price pressure off bitcoin. That will be where the bottom forms, but how low does it have to go to get there? Who knows, 400 might hold, 340 is more likely, 270 very likely in my opinion.

That's true, although this is a process with high inertia - hash power put online today was probably paid for and ordered quite a while back. Also, some businesses have investor money to spend and they can expand keeping in mind the future price of bitcoin - not selling now.

I agree that this should all form a solid shortage of coins, once the panic cools down.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 10:35:53 PM
#26
However, the way prices are going now, I think there will be less and less people investing in new mining hardware, so the difficulty rate will stop increasing as fast. This will go on to make it easier for people who already own mining hardware by reducing the deprecation rate, consequently taking the price pressure off bitcoin.
Even if hash rate growth will slow down it won't stop completely. Miners will fear depreciation of their rigs and run them even at loss (likely saving mined coins in hope of price increase and paying electric bills from own money).
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 09:54:40 PM
#25
Power used to be a significant cost in bitcoin mining, now it's hardware deprecation. If you don't mine for a month the difficulty will have gone up so much you will have lost out on 20% of your potential income. However, the way prices are going now, I think there will be less and less people investing in new mining hardware, so the difficulty rate will stop increasing as fast. This will go on to make it easier for people who already own mining hardware by reducing the deprecation rate, consequently taking the price pressure off bitcoin. That will be where the bottom forms, but how low does it have to go to get there? Who knows, 400 might hold, 340 is more likely, 270 very likely in my opinion.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 09:29:09 PM
#24
I disagree that Bitcoin price cannot decrease further, because miners are a very small proportion of Bitcoin sellers.

But I'm currently bullish and believe that we're near a minimum.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 03:35:09 PM
#23
I don't think BTC/$ will fall a lot below $400 simply because miners will stop selling coins below cost of production. Miners currently provide large percentage of the bitcoins sold on exchanges.

I don't understand this logic, so they will stop selling and pay their electricity cost out of pocket? which will end up costing them more money out of pocket. No, they will sell Bitcoin at any market price to get at least something back to pay for their hardware and electricity. If anything, dropping price will prompt them to sell even more if they have hoarded some coins, so they could afford to pay their bills.

PoW mining expense is the reason the price is dropping.
Exactly, some people here are delusional.

And some are just dicks.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 03:33:54 PM
#22
How comforting is that to you ?



sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
#21
Miners ? what about the other 12 million Bitcoin ? if only 5% of that 12 million hit these thin book orders of today's exchanges...Bitcoin will not hold $100 and not $400
Exactly, this shit is going down. $413 already. Still holding fools?
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 03:29:47 PM
#20
Miners ? what about the other 12 million Bitcoin ? if only 5% of that 12 million hit these thin book orders of today's exchanges...Bitcoin will not hold $100 and not $400
hero member
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September 18, 2014, 03:25:44 PM
#19
I don't understand this logic, so they will stop selling and pay their electricity cost out of pocket? which will end up costing them more money out of pocket. No, they will sell Bitcoin at any market price to get at least something back to pay for their hardware and electricity. If anything, dropping price will prompt them to sell even more if they have hoarded some coins, so they could afford to pay their bills.
Miners probably will pay for electricity from own money in hope BTC/$ will ever rise instead of selling bitcoins for pittances.

Where would they get this money from? Bond offering? LOL
member
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September 18, 2014, 03:23:23 PM
#18
well just watch, you'll see just how good it can do just that.
miners are selling to cut their losses..

they have choice sell now and lose 20%, sell tomorrow and lose 30%, sell in a few months lose 95%...
what would you do?
smart people sell now while they still can
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 03:06:43 PM
#17
I don't think BTC/$ will fall a lot below $400 simply because miners will stop selling coins below cost of production. Miners currently provide large percentage of the bitcoins sold on exchanges.

I don't understand this logic, so they will stop selling and pay their electricity cost out of pocket? which will end up costing them more money out of pocket. No, they will sell Bitcoin at any market price to get at least something back to pay for their hardware and electricity. If anything, dropping price will prompt them to sell even more if they have hoarded some coins, so they could afford to pay their bills.

PoW mining expense is the reason the price is dropping.

they made plenty of money already the will use some to buy btc and recover the price
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 03:01:25 PM
#16
Fiat leak due to mining is the culprit.

PoS is the answer.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:58:37 PM
#15
I don't understand this logic, so they will stop selling and pay their electricity cost out of pocket? which will end up costing them more money out of pocket. No, they will sell Bitcoin at any market price to get at least something back to pay for their hardware and electricity. If anything, dropping price will prompt them to sell even more if they have hoarded some coins, so they could afford to pay their bills.
Miners probably will pay for electricity from own money in hope BTC/$ will ever rise instead of selling bitcoins for pittances.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 02:44:18 PM
#14
I don't think BTC/$ will fall a lot below $400 simply because miners will stop selling coins below cost of production. Miners currently provide large percentage of the bitcoins sold on exchanges.

I don't understand this logic, so they will stop selling and pay their electricity cost out of pocket? which will end up costing them more money out of pocket. No, they will sell Bitcoin at any market price to get at least something back to pay for their hardware and electricity. If anything, dropping price will prompt them to sell even more if they have hoarded some coins, so they could afford to pay their bills.

PoW mining expense is the reason the price is dropping.
Exactly, some people here are delusional.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:42:45 PM
#13
I don't think BTC/$ will fall a lot below $400 simply because miners will stop selling coins below cost of production. Miners currently provide large percentage of the bitcoins sold on exchanges.

I don't understand this logic, so they will stop selling and pay their electricity cost out of pocket? which will end up costing them more money out of pocket. No, they will sell Bitcoin at any market price to get at least something back to pay for their hardware and electricity. If anything, dropping price will prompt them to sell even more if they have hoarded some coins, so they could afford to pay their bills.

PoW mining expense is the reason the price is dropping.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 02:39:36 PM
#12
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.

lol 10, you must be kidding, bitcoin will never be seen below 100 again, miners will stop dumping long before that
Oh ok, sure boyo, sure...just don't come back crying crocodile tears.

i won't, will stop at 350, you will see
Nice delusions!
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
#11
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.

lol 10, you must be kidding, bitcoin will never be seen below 100 again, miners will stop dumping long before that
Oh ok, sure boyo, sure...just don't come back crying crocodile tears.

i won't, will stop at 350, you will see
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 02:32:56 PM
#10
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.

lol 10, you must be kidding, bitcoin will never be seen below 100 again, miners will stop dumping long before that
Oh ok, sure boyo, sure...just don't come back crying crocodile tears.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:32:30 PM
#9
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.

lol 10, you must be kidding, bitcoin will never be seen below 100 again, miners will stop dumping long before that
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:28:11 PM
#8
I think prices are falling because merchants are selling the coins they received from sales. Some holders are selling because think they can buy back at a lower price. This will not continue for longer. We will see when we hit $400, the historical support support level.

This is why I refuse to "use" my bitcoins..
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:24:09 PM
#7
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.
Nobody, even with "free" electricity, will be able to mine coins at cost below $10 per one!
Well, in that case it will be doomed. Was nice while it lasted Smiley
Don't seems that miners turning off their rigs!  Wink

hero member
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September 18, 2014, 02:23:59 PM
#6
I think prices are falling because merchants are selling the coins they received from sales. Some holders are selling because think they can buy back at a lower price. This will not continue for longer. We will see when we hit $400, the historical support support level.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 02:22:07 PM
#5
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.
Nobody, even with "free" electricity, will be able to mine coins at cost below $10 per one!
Well, in that case it will be doomed. Was nice while it lasted Smiley
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
#4
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.
Nobody, even with "free" electricity, will be able to mine coins at cost below $10 per one!
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:14:40 PM
#3
There is lots of volume. I think we are finding the bottom pretty soon. I'm a miner and won't sell at these levels.
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 02:13:34 PM
#2
Of course it cannot. It will settle at a nice $10.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:12:57 PM
#1
I don't think BTC/$ will fall a lot below $400 simply because miners will stop selling coins below cost of production. Miners currently provide large percentage of the bitcoins sold on exchanges.
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