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Report on the conference

It is now about one month since conference started, and there has not been official report concerning it. I have taken care of my own businesses with a tad greater intensity than before, and not had time to concern this.

The venue was very nice old deciduous park. Rooms in manor house were recentry renovated, me and my family were actually first guests of our respective suites since renovation. The senior hosts and delegates, the secretariat, and the visiting artist lived Manor House, so it was actually a minority who lived in the spa hotel wing.

Food was very good: we had 3 dinners; opening dinner, Friday dinner and Romanov Gala Dinner (sat). Others had 3 courses + wine, Romanov was 5 courses + 4 wines. Part of the wines were not included, since we did not want to intoxigate the guests, also wine was about EUR 14 per glass there. The lunches were informal, and many took atvantage of the nearby Porvoo (20k town in walking distance). For the ones overnighting in Manor House, a 5-course breakfast with wine was served every day. This could be medium sparkling, goose liver, whitefish tatar, river crab on caviar mayo, and 2 cheeses with jam.  

We needed to leave early though, for the security concerns of sauna were not mitigated by moving the valuables to room #30 and locking the door out of their system (disable the door from all staff keycards, which never happened). After 2 breaches to that door, I ordered us out of there. Now we are in the process of settling the matter with the hotel.

Wednesday

17:00 Summit Secretariat Begins Operations

Thursday

14:00 Opening Ceremony in Yellow Hall.
15:00 Sauna, Prank, and Swimming in the Sea Starts
18:00 Opening Dinner
20:00 Workshop in the sauna

Friday

08:00 Breakfast
- - WORKSHOPS - -
18:00 Dinner

Saturday

10:00 Meeting with the CEO concerning security
12:00 Sauna Ends
13:00 Haikko Bitcoin Seminar (public event with video)
15:00 Haikko shootings continue in Room #30 & its balcony
18:00 Romanov Gala Dinner
21:00 Afterparty 1 in Kartanon Klubi
00:00 Private occasion (note - the both two 500mBTC tips were awarded this day (fyi: only two such tips are EVER issued in this system), one for organizing the dinner and the other for the performer of this.
00:30 Afterparty 2 in #30
02:30 Last of the guests may leave.

Sunday

09:00 Breakfast
09.00-10:00 Time reserved for paying the bill
10:00-11:00 Time reserved for cashing in the tips (we doled out approx 4,000-5,000mBTC in tips but so far they haven't cashed in)
12:00-13:00 General evacuation of the area; Secretariat & Summit Ends
hero member
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How is it possible that you would keep a large amount of bitcoins unencrypted on a computer in the sauna that could be accessed by anyone?

I want a computer that works in Finnish sauna Grin
b!z
legendary
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How is it possible that you would keep a large amount of bitcoins unencrypted on a computer in the sauna that could be accessed by anyone?

Because he's bullshitting.
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amarha
How is it possible that you would keep a large amount of bitcoins unencrypted on a computer in the sauna that could be accessed by anyone?
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100 satoshis -> ISO code
Thank you all, rpietila and company, for treating us to such a great weekend.

If rpietila measures quality of time by BTC earned, I measure it by progress toward freedom, and these four days are among the most valuable of my whole life. Only in the Bitcoin world can you find people with as varied and enriching a conversation as the delegates.

And to the others: LOL. The only physical harm I was in danger of suffering was staying in the sauna for too long.

OK. So what was this "considerable force" used against Risto at his conference?
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Spanish Bitcoin trader
Thank you all, rpietila and company, for treating us to such a great weekend.

If rpietila measures quality of time by BTC earned, I measure it by progress toward freedom, and these four days are among the most valuable of my whole life. Only in the Bitcoin world can you find people with as varied and enriching a conversation as the delegates.

And to the others: LOL. The only physical harm I was in danger of suffering was staying in the sauna for too long.
legendary
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I'm quoting this, doesn't sound good, waiting for more news:
My life is currently resembling a movie. I don't usually watch them, but this one is interesting.  Cool

Sorry that the conference was busted big time. I took all precautions available to me, but considerable force was used against me. If anyone related to the matters currently unfolding is threatened with physical harm, I am able to cede the control of a necessary number of bitcoins to redeem him/her.

You know, bitcoin is a revolutionary technology and it does not really matter how many bitcoins I hold. My potential to work for the better of this world is not too much connected to my actual number of bitcoins, rather it is the technical and organizational ability that decides whether you can affect the world or not.

I need some sleep, ttyl.
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so, else than Ristos very vague but somewhat worrying statement about force used against him, possible physical harm and redeeming, is there any news from any of the participants about the outcome of the conference so far?  Roll Eyes

edit:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rpietila-public-diary-174620
legendary
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I was just wondering if I can pay with .01 BTC.  Rpietila, the organizer, predicted $ 300,000 a bitcoin by the end of the year.  This should more than cover the $1000+ entry fee if you hold on to my .01BTC for a year.
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Spanish Bitcoin trader
I would like to announce my presence at the conference. It is my understanding that Bitcoin needs a whole ecosystem of nodes that take load off the blockchain. This is because we are seeing it suffer the tragedy of the commons, where its use is not sustainable and the stakeholders have little incentive to make it so. Thus, even if going against the sacrosanct decentralization, action towards that ecosystem is needed.

That, coupled with the fact that I am young and willing to take my life in a new direction, have pushed towards my presence at the Summit. Hope it is a valuable experience to us all.
legendary
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amarha
This looks great. But why such short notice?
legendary
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Mkay, I have got the idea.

Thursday

10:00 Sauna Starts

Saturday

23:00 Sauna Ends

haha
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GO http://bitcointa.lk !!! My new nick: jurov
Mkay, I have got the idea.

Thursday

10:00 Sauna Starts

Saturday

23:00 Sauna Ends
donator
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General

The I Bitcoin Supernode Summit will issue the following admissions:

1 Host Donator
2 Family Donators

1 Senior Delegate
1 Senior Host
1 Family

3 Delegates
7 Virtual Delegates (3 available for 8,000; 9,000; 10,000mBTC)
2 Guests
2 Hosts

2 Staff

30 Visitors (about 25 available for 500mBTC)



Schedule

Tuesday

17:00 Summit Starts

Wednesday

17:00 Summit Secretariat Begins Operations

Thursday

10:00 Sauna Starts
17:00 Opening Ceremony
18:00 Dinner

Friday


Saturday

12:00 Haikko Bitcoin Seminar (public event)
18:00 Romanov Gala Dinner
23:00 Sauna Ends

Sunday
16:00 Summit Ends
donator
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** Public event: Haikko Bitcoin Seminar 11th May 2013 **

Venue: Haikko Manor House, Romanov Ballroom (main floor)

Bitcoin seminar tickets (Visitor ticket) 500mBTC incl. coffee, spa access. If there are extra seats in the Ballroom, we admit the public to listen to the speakers without ticket. Comments disabled for non-ticket holders. Payment in bitcoin, prepayment, details will be announced. If paid with EUR upon arrival, the EUR will be discounted 20% when converting to bitcoin (equal to buying bitcoins at 25% margin).

Extras:
Lunch of your choice from the carte (about 10-30 EUR + optional wines). No reservation needed.
Dinner (Romanov Menu 5 courses 75 EUR + optional wines 60 EUR). Reservations upon registration, limited seats, payment (in EUR) upon arrival
This menu was served in the accession of Emperor Nicholas II in St. Petersburg in 1896. They used gold plates, we will use silver cutlery.

12:00 Lunch
13:00 Speakers
Coffee will be served during speakers. Speakers may speak in Finnish or English.
Simultaneous small group translation (whisperer) will be provided between Finnish, Swedish and English.

Jeremias Kangas (kangasbros) - Successful OTC Bitcoin Business
Risto Pietilä (rpietila) - Bitcoin Fundamentals
N.N.
N.N. (Speakers and topics are subject to change)

15:00 Free time; access to the spa and amenities
18:00 Dinner (spa and amenities continue for non-participants of Dinner)
21:00 Evening programme

Seminar is included for I Supernode Summit Delegates and Guests.
Dinner is included for Delegates and Guests.
Wine is included for Donators.
newbie
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I am one of the hosts for this summit. I welcome all participants beforehand and I do expect a lot from this meetup. Last week I joined rpietila at Haikko to test the place, and I am very happy about the place and the service. It is a peaceful environment and the Finnish spring weather has been wonderful for a few days now.

I take my time to reply to some posts here:
Please consider carefully the next summit venue.
I suggest Silicon Valley, e.g. in Mountain View close to the Google Campus.
  • Invite local VC and Singularity Summit  style keynoters, and pitch it at legacy regional investment firms competing for wealthy young risk taking clients, e.g. the Winklevoss twins.
May I kindly remind you that this is, I quote rpietila here, “Bitcoin meetup for the ones most deeply interested in it.” People at Silicon Valley are obviously interested in Bitcoin, maybe even deeply, but not the most deeply. This is not a pitching conference, people will come here and talk themselves. I think your idea is good, and I encourage you or someone else to do it. So thank you for your suggestion, but it does not fit the idea of this summit.
So you announce a conference with 2 weeks warning time? Real professional...
It is never possible to find a time suitable for everyone. If you announce something earlier it is certainly easier for people to plan their timetables accordingly, I must admit that. However this is meant for people who own their freedom, and thus can decide a day, a week, or two week earlier what they want to do. Of course they might have had something of importance planned already, and then they just have to weight what they find to be the most important. It is very simple.




And I also want to announce, you may add this to the first post, what we and Haikko Manor has to offer for leisure time during the extended weekend:
Leisure activities
Frisbee-golf course around the mansion
Jogging in a forest route
Spa (sauna, warm & cold pools, a swimming pool)
Gym
Beach sauna (rented to us for the whole summit, sauna and cold ocean water)
Some board games (Carcassonne, Ticket to Ride) & playing cards (& chips)

And to eat and drink:
Restaurant premises and cafes
Fine dining at Haikko Manor
À la Carte, menu TBA 7.5
Spa Bistro & Café
Spa Bistro & Café offers light, quick and tasty food. Baked potatoes, pasta, Finnish tapas-plates, Haikko Burgers, salads, pastries and snacks are available. You can also buy your sauna beverages here - we sell also organic and local beer, cider, wine and juice.
The Manor House Club
A cozy club restaurant for after dinner drinks. A small dance floor and a good selection of whiskies.
donator
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Goat, did you have something particular to say?

I guess I should have said "witnessed"

On this forum to preserve historic events more than one person needs to save a quote so we know in years nothing was edited. it's pretty normal.

Thanks:)

Ah, I thought this was self-moderated. It does not seem to be... I think we need to make a new thread since non-sm is trollfood these days Sad
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "Bitcoin Supernode"?
You need the 'other' thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rpietila-public-diary-174620) - the thread that these pages have split from - to answer that question. It's a long read but the signal/noise ratio is high and it might just be the start of something interesting. Give it a whirl.
pa
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "Bitcoin Supernode"?
donator
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Goat, did you have something particular to say?
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Currently you would get a ticket for 9,000mBTC (about $1000) for a 3-night stay in shared room, full board, and airport travel.
I see, well that's much more reasonable.
Jan
legendary
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I would love to go to Finland for a Bitcoin confrrence. However:
1. I am already goin to San Jose conference this month
2. Too short notice
donator
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So you announce a conference with 2 weeks warning time? Real professional...

Is it correct that the ticket prices is 25.000 mBTC, ie, 25 BTC, ie, by current prices about 5500 USD?

Currently you would get a ticket for 9,000mBTC (about $1000) for a 3-night stay in shared room, full board, and airport travel.
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So you announce a conference with 2 weeks warning time? Real professional...

Is it correct that the ticket prices is 25.000 mBTC, ie, 25 BTC, ie, by current prices about 5500 USD?
donator
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I endorse this thread. However not yet sure how zeroday can actually keep the content here up-to-date, I don't yet know if he is doing 24/7 as I do. My focus is still in the other thread, and in 2-4 days I will move my focus solely on the summit and the delegates. By then we will probably have a private forum, FB group or such.

The current number attending:

3 participating hosts
3 non-participating hosts (secretariat)
6 delegates
2 virtual delegates.

I have contacted one Guest speaker, kangasbros, who owns Easywallet and Localbitcoins.

I plan to have a larger-audience event in the middle of the conference, probably Sat afternoon.

donator
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You may still attend the summit remotely via video conference.
legendary
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Please consider carefully the next summit venue.

I suggest Silicon Valley, e.g. in Mountain View close to the Google Campus.

  • Invite local VC and Singularity Summit  style keynoters, and pitch it at legacy regional investment firms competing for wealthy young risk taking clients, e.g. the Winklevoss twins.
  • Incorporate a demo day with bitcoin awards for best bitcoin start up pitch & demo.


Finland is fine with me, just announce your next summits earlier, pls!
Its a real bummer, I was going to go to Finland by the end of May anyway, had I known this in advance, I would have adjusted my planning accordingly..
Noevertheless, have some fun!

Spekulatius from Bitcointhedocumentary.org
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Stephen Reed
Please consider carefully the next summit venue.

I suggest Silicon Valley, e.g. in Mountain View close to the Google Campus.

  • Invite local VC and Singularity Summit  style keynoters, and pitch it at legacy regional investment firms competing for wealthy young risk taking clients, e.g. the Winklevoss twins.
  • Incorporate a demo day with bitcoin awards for best bitcoin start up pitch & demo.
donator
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This thread is created to discuss the emerging Bitcoin Supernode Summit which is being organized by rpietila in Finland.
Everybody is welcome to share their ideas and ask questions. Please no flood.
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Workshop: DEALER NETWORK

This workshop will be held in I Bitcoin Supernode Summit Finland 9.-12. May 2013.

MISSION STATEMENT:

We believe that setting up a decentralized, enormously liquid way of determining the USD/BTC rate, is beneficial for the continued increase of the rate. We believe that it is possible to gather together the owners of 3,000,000,000mBTC (about 30% of all the bitcoins aboveground) to regularly post their willingness to sell a part of their stash to the rising prices. The ultimate counterparty would be a new bitcoin user who buys these coins. The intermediary would be a Bitcoin Supernode dealership. We believe that this operation can be set up in 3 months, and it will be the ultimate stabilizer of the price, even though we expect that the actual number of coins traded by this mechanism would likely not exceed the aggregate turnover of the exchanges, even after the 3 months.

TECHNICAL:

1. We set up a Bitcoin Dealers' Association, which will accept members upon very strict scrutiny. The number of members will be limited to about 200, and it is not mandatory to have more than 10 for it to work properly.

2. We set up an order matching software, which will process the net dealer orderbooks of the BDA members, every 8 hours. I propose this happens at 00:00UTC, 08:00UTC and 16:00UTC, continually, every day. There will not be continuous trading at all in the first stage; it can be added later if found beneficial. I don't think it will add anything, since we already have the exchanges for play.

3. Net dealer orderbooks will be sent encrypted to the software, it will find the market clearing price, and send the details to the counterparties of the actual trades. The software cannot (ie. it is mathematically impossible to) cheat. If all of the participants see their net position fulfilled at the fixing price, the software has worked properly.

4. It does not cost anything for a member to send their orderbook, also there is no fee for the trades matched. The fees are a fixed membership fee and a one-time registration fee. In addition, members can buy the stock of the association (stockholders decide the directors etc.) and they will have to post a significant bail, which will cover the maximum of outstanding trades by the member, and is held in a 3-out-of-5 escrow perpetually during their membership.

5. The trades are settled T+4, which means that the trade contracted will have to clear in the other end in 96 hours from the fixing. Eg. fixing on Monday at 00:00, will have to be paid and cleared in the receiving end by Friday at 00:00.

6. If there is a delay in settlement, a penalty will be imposed + all the expenses of the counterparty will need to be covered. If this is due to negligence, a warning is issued. If there is further negligence or an outright default of the payment, the bail will be used to cover the damages and the member is expelled. If (which can not happen unless the scamming party can also hack the blackbox software to give him a larger outstanding orders limit than his bail covers) the damages exceed the bail, all other members pay prorated, and the scammer is expelled and criminally prosecuted.

7. The software will publish the fixing price automatically and immediately to the public. The volumes and counterparties of the trades will not be published.

8. Later on, the settlement can be extended to futures contracts, and options on futures can be written.


This is an ingenious mechanism, which achieves the following objectives:

- No central point of failure; the central software cannot mathematically cheat, since if it clears the market according to the orders of each of the members, it will have been cleared it according to all of them.

- About 30% of the bitcoins of the world will be able to be part of the price finding mechanism without need to physically move them or even know the exact owners and whereabouts of them. Quite many of them will be owned by the members at that point, and some non-members will certainly know of the members who act as their brokers. Dealers do not need to divulge their local order book (amounts, personal info) to anyone, the amounts will be sent to the blackbox encrypted, the customer info stored locally.

- Any local dealer can serve any Prince Harry who wants to purchase 10 million worth of bitcoins, which is impossible in the current exchange model (prepayment) and the Web-Of-Mistrust model (nobody would trust you for more than you have been doing before, which is childish if we are talking about actual business).

- Yes, as the end-user customer, there is no need to store your cash or bitcoins anywhere in particular. Only the dealers will need to abide by the following conditions->

If the following conditions are met:

- All (= every one of) the members are professionals, to make it smooth enough to have a delayed 84 hour settlement with an assigned counterparty.

- Members post a bail to cover their total outstanding orders limit, or any lesser amount if it is considered stupid enough to scam all the other members of the network prorated.

Workshop: BITCOIN SUPERNODE

This workshop will be held in I Bitcoin Supernode Summit Finland 9.-12. May 2013.

MISSION STATEMENT:

[tbd]

TECHNICAL:

[tbd]

Workshop: REAL BILLS AND CLEARINGHOUSE

This workshop will be held in I Bitcoin Supernode Summit Finland 9.-12. May 2013.

MISSION STATEMENT:

[tbd]


TECHNICAL:

[tbd]
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