Bitcoin users should be humanitarian for Palestinians.

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Quote from: bitcoin_mining on April 26, 2024, 06:08:36 AM

I have grown up hearing that people are for people, but it is natural that people will stand by people in danger. Human religion is the greatest religion and there is no religion above human religion.

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If a faithful member takes responsibility and collects donations and reaches the Palestinian people with food and other items, it will be a great blessing to the Palestinians.

All the senior members of the forum who have always come forward in such danger should come forward with such help.

Well. First I would like to ask you what you exactly mean when you talk about "human religion" because it is obvious within the history of humankind there have been several religions and even to this day there are many. So while I agree religion can be a unifying factor for people to come together and help one another, on the case of this conflict goin on in Gaza, it is quite the opposite.
This is a conflict which is facing Muslim people against the Jewish people, so talking about religion as an unifying factor is strange in this context, though, I understand you mean we are supposed to have solidarity.

Also, it is necessary to point out for us be able to help people in Gaza it would require to have presence within the strip and perhaps even in Egypt, so those satoshis could be spent in food and be transported to the border between Palestine and Egypt.
Keeping in mind all that logistics, I assume Manu people in this forum would rather just to donate to an already existing foundation of good reputation, I stead starting one from the ground up.

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Quote from: pooya87 on April 26, 2024, 11:04:12 PM

Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on April 26, 2024, 08:35:58 AM

Thing is, Hamas DOES NOT care about the Palestinian people.

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Unless you are a Palestinian living in Gaza, you don't even get to say this Cheesy

Hamas is the Palestinian resistance fighting foreign invaders according to international laws and the UN charter. Palestinians specially in the open air prison called Gaza, support the resistance when they were offered only two options: die slowly or resist.

Additionally the genocide of Palestinians has been going on for decades and the resistance (that is what H.a.m.a.s stands for in Arabic) started after decades of Palestinians being slaughtered by the Zionist occupiers.

That is correct.It is crazy to see how the world does not gives a shit about what is happening to the cleansing of Palestinians,which is worse from anything else for the exact reason because it is being done by the same people who their parents were cleansed by Hitler not that many many years ago and we know how Hitler ended.I don't think the justification of Hamas will be going on forever as they,Israelis are not fighting against Hamas,they are killing innocent children and women,more than 15k children already killed,the funny thing is that when they the occupiers were sent to Palestine in their ship were the pan cart "Don't kill our dreams" yet when the came to Palestine they only brought destruction,not something to be very fond of I would say.The same of which Russia has been doing in Ukraine and the world uses a double,triple or multi multi standard when comparing the two.I don't have faith in the world anymore,nor in governments nor in nothing except God.

Ah and since I am not a US politician,I forget to say the word,genocide,that is what happening there as all US politicians condemn Israel but no one of them uses the genocide word.

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on April 26, 2024, 08:35:58 AM

@ OP
Hamas started this latest cycle of conflict knowing full well that Israel would go apeshit crazy in retaliation. If they cared at all for their people they would release all of the hostages which in turn would remove most of Israel's justification in continuing the current conflict.

The release of the hostages will not stop the war because Israel's goal now is to defeat Hamas. For now, I don't think any offer would stop Israel from its bombardment of Gaza after they have rebuffed warnings from its major supporters/sponsors and even a United Nations resolution for a ceasefire.

Quote from: bitcoin_mining on April 26, 2024, 06:08:36 AM

All the senior members of the forum who have always come forward in such danger should come forward with such help.

If I can remember vividly, the forum always assists people in need through donations. Support has been given to Ukraine and to countries that have experienced natural disasters such as earthquakes and flood victims in other countries. The humanitarian work was coordinated by members who were from or had hard connections in these countries. So it was easy for them to raise awareness and carry out the selfless activity. I don't know if we have any Palestinians in the forum who can coordinate the process. But it will be good to see such effort from some reputable members of the forum and I know some members will be willing to donate.

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on April 26, 2024, 08:35:58 AM

Thing is, Hamas DOES NOT care about the Palestinian people.

LOL
Unless you are a Palestinian living in Gaza, you don't even get to say this Cheesy

Hamas is the Palestinian resistance fighting foreign invaders according to international laws and the UN charter. Palestinians specially in the open air prison called Gaza, support the resistance when they were offered only two options: die slowly or resist.

Additionally the genocide of Palestinians has been going on for decades and the resistance (that is what H.a.m.a.s stands for in Arabic) started after decades of Palestinians being slaughtered by the Zionist occupiers.

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Quote from: SomeGuyInOz on April 26, 2024, 07:25:33 AM

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on April 26, 2024, 08:35:58 AM

@ OP
Hamas started this latest cycle of conflict knowing full well that Israel would go apeshit crazy in retaliation. If they cared at all for their people they would release all of the hostages which in turn would remove most of Israel's justification in continuing the current conflict.

Thing is, Hamas DOES NOT care about the Palestinian people. They only want the destruction of Israel and are more than happy in continuing to sacrifice their own people as civilian meat-shields to do it.

This is really sad because the people I feel the most for are those who are just normal people but are unfortunate to be caught in this mess. All this war, what’s the essence? We’re all going to die so why not live peacefully and enjoy what we have while we still do. Hopefully we don’t kill ourselves before we realize it.

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Quote from: bitcoin_mining on April 26, 2024, 06:08:36 AM

I have grown up hearing that people are for people, but it is natural that people will stand by people in danger. Human religion is the greatest religion and there is no religion above human religion.

Israel is carrying out regular attacks on Palestine and because of their attacks people of all ages including children are not spared and many people have died and most of the people who are living now have no food and no heavy food. Different countries and different organizations are trying to help this country as well as trying to deliver food, water and clean food to the people of this country. We feel proud as a human race when people come forward for such work regardless of caste and creed. We who are on this forum and those who earn from this forum can help the Palestinians if we want to. If a faithful member takes responsibility and collects donations and reaches the Palestinian people with food and other items, it will be a great blessing to the Palestinians.

All the senior members of the forum who have always come forward in such danger should come forward with such help.

Well said, But helping one another in the time of difficulty is something very encouraging to do, But this is something I think is more of a choice to do, and base on what one can afford to give.

Quote from: kentrolla on April 26, 2024, 06:54:19 AM

Really nice thought but the major problem is getting the aid inside Palestine as it like an open air prison I am talking about Gaza Strip as the aid should either enter through Egypt or Israel but both of them are inhumane and there are generous donors who has done enough but the ground challenges are getting the aid delivered.

The cycle goes like israel attacks Palestine the we see aid being sent to them meanwhile there are thousands who are killed and maimed. The real help they need is stoppage of this genocidal campaign and a permanent solution to this occupation else aid just means that feed them and kill.

But in a situation where the two parties involved, Israel and Palestines, and none of them wants to cease fire at the moment, the only option left is to rendering help to most affected country, who may find it difficult to survive going forward.

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It's ok for people to people from Bitcoin directly to help Felstein you I or we have to come forward directly. A lot of people are donating from bitcoins and if we start a donation you can think about if we can help or if there is a campaign that we can give to in trust. If there is such a registration system let me know and I will definitely try to help them as much as I can with bitcoins and whatnot? And if everyone owns this donation and everyone helps everyone, then many poor people in Palestine who are starving can be helped. In fact the current situation is not helping me and if I don't give them grants they will starve to death like us who are coming forward.

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Quote from: bitcoin_mining on April 26, 2024, 06:08:36 AM

If a faithful member takes responsibility and collects donations and reaches the Palestinian people with food and other items, it will be a great blessing to the Palestinians.

All the senior members of the forum who have always come forward in such danger should come forward with such help.

I think the forum members have engaged in something of this nature in the past especially to region from being affected by water disaster, war and the like, all that is needed is a trust, an affected member of the forum, well recognized and trusted, having a clear evidence to show the proof on his presence on the attack, how he was able to survived and how the other members of this forum could come in, though the US government have already sent rescue team to all affected areas including Gaza, but never forget that this is not part of the mandate for the creation of this forum, members can only gather themselves up and help if they feel over the situation.

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I agree that there's clearly a large humanitarian crisis in Palestine now, although of course there's a lot of suffering happening in some other places around the world where wars are raging (such as areas of Ukraine around the frontline, Yemen, Syria). A major issue with Palestine (and with Gaza in particular) is that it has no reputable representatives, and it's really hard to know that the help will actually reach the people in need.
For a campaign of humanitarian support like that to work, there should ideally be highly reputable NGOs, collecting donations in Bitcoin and making regular reports that prove that the help is getting to people.

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@ OP
Hamas started this latest cycle of conflict knowing full well that Israel would go apeshit crazy in retaliation. If they cared at all for their people they would release all of the hostages which in turn would remove most of Israel's justification in continuing the current conflict.

Thing is, Hamas DOES NOT care about the Palestinian people. They only want the destruction of Israel and are more than happy in continuing to sacrifice their own people as civilian meat-shields to do it.

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Quote from: Marvelockg on April 26, 2024, 07:49:38 AM

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Quote from: SomeGuyInOz on April 26, 2024, 07:25:33 AM

Have you not read the pinned post? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/low-quality-topics-do-not-belong-here-1649348 (Low quality topics do not belong in this forum)

What has happened to humanity for someone to think that wanting to gather people to help a nation being wiped off from the face of the earth is low quality? We are talking about literal people here and all you care about is the quality of a post? Mate go check your own posts and reevaluate if you are delivering high quality ones.

I know this is probably the right board to post this as this might be more fitting in politics & society or off-topic but calling this post low quality is dehumanizing.

don't mind the clawn that's just trying to claim relivance. What's the whole essence of Bitcoin investments when we can't think on how to support our fellow humans that are currently going through a whooe of a situation because of some political folks that aren't ready to give peace a chance? I know it would have been a better option if he had posted this in politics and society board but maybe for the sake of having the intended reach, this might be the reason for posting it here in the general board so everyone can have access to it.

Do you know why the forum has to divide into many boards for different topics?

I'm not against this topic and I'm not from those two warring countries either. But I think we should not mix investing in bitcoin with helping someone, and think that it is a responsibility or shows the spirit of true bitcoin investors. Many Palestinians are experiencing the darkest days caused by war, but they are not the only ones having the most miserable lives on the planet. Many famines are still happening in many parts of the world, many places are experiencing natural disasters, floods... too many bad things are happening all over the world. And are you willing to help all those people just because you are a bitcoin investor?
I'm not saying people shouldn't donate to support the Palestinian, but we shouldn't mix investment and charity because everyone's situation is different.

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i am also concerned about the hardships faced by the palestinian people and everyone affected by the war, but when bitcoin users have to be humanitarians for the palestinian people, i don't think it should be their responsibility. i mean, you can't judge whether a person is good or not just because he doesn't help the palestinian people. everyone has their own problems and it is an individual's decision if they want to help or not, and it is not the responsibility of all bitcoin users.

so if you want to help the palestinian people, go ahead, but don't bring this up to the bitcoin community because it has nothing to do with it at all.

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Quote from: kentrolla on April 26, 2024, 06:54:19 AM

Really nice thought but the major problem is getting the aid inside Palestine as it like an open air prison I am talking about Gaza Strip as the aid should either enter through Egypt or Israel but both of them are inhumane and there are generous donors who has done enough but the ground challenges are getting the aid delivered.

The cycle goes like israel attacks Palestine the we see aid being sent to them meanwhile there are thousands who are killed and maimed. The real help they need is stoppage of this genocidal campaign and a permanent solution to this occupation else aid just means that feed them and kill.

Since it is not possible to cross Israel to reach Palestine, it is possible to consider an alternative route but to reach Palestine with relief. If we can't help directly, then we can collect some amount of donation and transfer that donation to any trusted foundation, they will definitely deliver the relief to the Palestinians on our behalf.

Helping should be the main objective, OP has definitely raised a good point, seniors should take note of this.

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The problem is this is a political discussion and divisive language is being used here, in what should be a Bitcoin forum. For example, while I agree that the whole Israel/Palestine situation is terrible, I do not agree with your accusations against Israel of "genocide". It is not a genocide, it is a war. But it is a war where one side, Israel, is much more powerful than the other. The war will not end until Hamas returns the hostages and surrenders. The Palestinian people suffer because of Hamas, not because of Israel.

Why bring this discussion here? I know you and I will never agree on this topic and I don't expect anyone here to change their opinions based on a few forum posts. The whole discussion is futile.

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Quote from: btc78 on April 26, 2024, 07:43:14 AM

Quote from: SomeGuyInOz on April 26, 2024, 07:25:33 AM

Have you not read the pinned post? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/low-quality-topics-do-not-belong-here-1649348 (Low quality topics do not belong in this forum)

What has happened to humanity for someone to think that wanting to gather people to help a nation being wiped off from the face of the earth is low quality? We are talking about literal people here and all you care about is the quality of a post? Mate go check your own posts and reevaluate if you are delivering high quality ones.

I know this is probably the right board to post this as this might be more fitting in politics & society or off-topic but calling this post low quality is dehumanizing.

don't mind the clawn that's just trying to claim relivance. What's the whole essence of Bitcoin investments when we can't think on how to support our fellow humans that are currently going through a whooe of a situation because of some political folks that aren't ready to give peace a chance? I know it would have been a better option if he had posted this in politics and society board but maybe for the sake of having the intended reach, this might be the reason for posting it here in the general board so everyone can have access to it.

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Quote from: SomeGuyInOz on April 26, 2024, 07:25:33 AM

Have you not read the pinned post? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/low-quality-topics-do-not-belong-here-1649348 (Low quality topics do not belong in this forum)

What has happened to humanity for someone to think that wanting to gather people to help a nation being wiped off from the face of the earth is low quality? We are talking about literal people here and all you care about is the quality of a post? Mate go check your own posts and reevaluate if you are delivering high quality ones.

I know this is probably the right board to post this as this might be more fitting in politics & society or off-topic but calling this post low quality is dehumanizing.

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Quote from: kentrolla on April 26, 2024, 06:54:19 AM

Really nice thought but the major problem is getting the aid inside Palestine as it like an open air prison I am talking about Gaza Strip as the aid should either enter through Egypt or Israel but both of them are inhumane and there are generous donors who has done enough but the ground challenges are getting the aid delivered.

Exactly I have seen many people saying that goods do not do much because it doesn’t even get to them anymore since the whole nation is heavily guarded.

Instead we have to share awareness and not let anyone reverse what is happening. Israel is performing a genocide in Palestine and they are not in war with each other because Palestine is totally owned and controlled by Israel. Palestine has no ability to fight back and it is ruthless to just murder numerous palestinians in broad daylight.

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Have you not read the pinned post? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/low-quality-topics-do-not-belong-here-1649348 (Low quality topics do not belong in this forum)

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Quote from: bitcoin_mining on April 26, 2024, 06:08:36 AM

All the senior members of the forum who have always come forward in such danger should come forward with such help.

This is a very valid opinion because as a section of the society that has bitconers in these affected regions, it's necessary we show an act of solidarities to then through supporting them in any little way that's possible.

I'm not a fan of war and seeing the killing that's still ongoing at th Gaza strip till this very day is a sad one. We know we can just choose to ignore this kind of things and allow the NGO to do the best they can but we've got to know that they can't do it all by themselves. The humanity in us should push us to doing the little we can to support those that are in those region. I know that part of the problem we might face is getting a reputable persons that's in that region that can see to it that whatever comes from the Bitcoin ecosystem is used in the right way but I believe there are individuals that can help us out with that.

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Really nice thought but the major problem is getting the aid inside Palestine as it like an open air prison I am talking about Gaza Strip as the aid should either enter through Egypt or Israel but both of them are inhumane and there are generous donors who has done enough but the ground challenges are getting the aid delivered.

The cycle goes like israel attacks Palestine the we see aid being sent to them meanwhile there are thousands who are killed and maimed. The real help they need is stoppage of this genocidal campaign and a permanent solution to this occupation else aid just means that feed them and kill.

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I have grown up hearing that people are for people, but it is natural that people will stand by people in danger. Human religion is the greatest religion and there is no religion above human religion.

Israel is carrying out regular attacks on Palestine and because of their attacks people of all ages including children are not spared and many people have died and most of the people who are living now have no food and no heavy food. Different countries and different organizations are trying to help this country as well as trying to deliver food, water and clean food to the people of this country. We feel proud as a human race when people come forward for such work regardless of caste and creed. We who are on this forum and those who earn from this forum can help the Palestinians if we want to. If a faithful member takes responsibility and collects donations and reaches the Palestinian people with food and other items, it will be a great blessing to the Palestinians.

All the senior members of the forum who have always come forward in such danger should come forward with such help.

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