Topic: BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today (Read 9936 times)

Incloudbibly here. The information about HDD formatting is false, no maintenance works were held at all. We've suspended the account that was associated with "BitcoinBourse" after investigation that was initiated by possible scam complaints that some of its clients conveyed through our abuse dept.

Incloudibly is not affiliated with BitcoinBourse. BitcoinBourse operation or failing to do so solely depends on this website's owners/managers actions.

Anyone noticed the site is down with message

This website is down in case of a accident by an engineer of Incloudibly Swiss Servers!

This engineer formated the Server Harddisk without any reason and with a failed backup before, all data since 2015 is lost!

We apologise for this but there is no plan B available right now!

I don't know how everyone else configured their Web-of-Trust, but from my point of view:


Nice endorsement. #sarcasm

Stop the FUD, BitcoinBourse is a great exchange with competent management. They're a lot more competent than BitFunder! 

@forensick Mr. Martin Belobrand?

ex partner of Bitcoin Bourse, wants to run BitcoinBurza.com in Czech and Slovak, pay 1000 € in the beginning and think we give him full system. Than he want back his 1000 € when we dispute about he is not able to do more than speak!

When bitcoin bourse gets first funds from IPO i send Mr @forensick 10 BTC ( i can provide blockchain transaction ) so i guess this is more than enough and sorry man the 1000 € you want on top you will never get from principle this way, you are a Lawyer or you guess you are so than go the way the law is for here and don't menace my anymore i have saved also all our communication and your threat against me!

So is he scammed by bitcoin bourse or me ? no he is only a sad ex partner of our company and search revenge!!!

or at last

@jurov

also partner of @forensick in slovakia and friend of the other guys from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ owner of http://coinbr.com
Your online MPEx broker

listed all at bitcoin-asset.com


Summary:

4 Guys working on competitor companies
1 guy sadly our ex partner search revenge

Anything else

Nobody is scammed by me or bitcoin bourse!

This forum and davouts power as moderator is used in a very simple reason to shut us down and give us negative face to the public!!!

But the people know now your history about, who cares your words now?, i am not and i not will in future respond anymore to this shit!

If anyone have eggs you can visit me on my office and talk face to face this accusations, but no one have, you accuse people of scams but you are inside of the class house!

There is no scam on my site sorry and never will be!

In real world guys you face many problems in a court, but i not want lost the time and the money to sue Forum or chat Trolls like you, It is not worth for!

If you want be better than me, work to compete! don't troll me anymore! i know i am the pain in your ass but that's life poor guys!


Markus

This was my last post! Bye Bitcointalk Troll & Scammer Forum
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well Markus, you are crying lies like kid catched stealing some candies We had a deal that I left your scam project as you were acting and changing deals all the time, you wanted me to pay 1000 EURO and told me that it is OK and that your programmers from India are cheap When i decided to left your project and return back my shares in your business, you agreed to pay me back this official investment, that i should send you back invoice. I did it, then you started to cry that 5 day term is not legal in EU /even i can put any day term for payment/, then i changed it as i do not like adults to cry during the nights... so you got 30 days term... you missed it and started to cry more and more. I know you are desperate couse you ripped off so many people around. I guess your business is falling down, so everybody should be aware to get in touch with you, scammer.

Jurov is not my partner, I am not gay you stupid fuck I have a girlfriend and I do not live in Slovakia heh... why are you lying?

I am not sad ex-partner, but i have all those scammers around like you. You don't even have 1000 euro to pay back what' s agreed, junkie projects where you stole money from shareholders... it is really sad. Anyway, I will follow from time to time your bitcointalk appearance and tell everybody to avoid your scams, is it fair, isn' t it? Hope nobody else would not been scammed by this bancrupt German scammer

WOW! What a professional business! They receive criticism so there answer is to simply dust off the accusations as trolls and scammers, "This was my last post! Bye Bitcointalk Troll & Scammer Forum", and to ignore responding / listening. Every business faces criticisms, even the largest companies in the world. The way you are dealing with it, makes you sound like a 5 year old.

The fact that you changed prices on your customers overnight without any warning, that your fee's are higher than ANYONE on the market, AND that you don't even have basic necessities in an exchange such as an orderbook, all shows proof that you are not responsible enough to run a single business, not to mention the EIGHT you are trying to run.


Anyone that puts money with them is asking to lose it.

First to user rethink-your-strategy,

I would like to apologize for any comments that I made in jest that may have belittled you or doubted your previous comments. I am man enough to know when I have made a mistake.

Second to BitcoinBourse who recently changed there fees without warning and where all the bitcoin raised in my wallet vanished par one share I managed to withdraw.

While I will not accuse you of being a scam yet your handling of the current situation has still been below par in my opinion.

Kr,

Malcolm O

I can't speak for everyone in #bitcoin-assets, but I am very busy with my own projects, and I suspect the same is true for the users you called out in this post. Despite being so busy, we take the time to expose frauds and scammers. I don't know enough about this particular operation (bitcoinbourse), but judging by your reaction, I'm inclined to believe you are a scammer. You are using the exact same argument that the false teachers of Christianity use; that is, "you have nothing better to do then accuse others." Even if that were true, it shouldn't matter; exposing frauds is a valuable service, and these guys are providing it for free!

With facts of ?

This accusations come from a groupe of guys have nothing in his life to do and accuse other people for jealousy nothing else!

All this people are members of bitcoin-assets irc chat, all we know bitcoin assets irc chat is the chat from havelock investments!

So who is scammed by bitcoin bourse? Who ?

Because we have no Order book till now? are you scammed for that issue? Or anything else missing? User 1 want have this, user 2 want have this, and user 3 want have this, can i request also on your websites new features? and if you not do immediately can i call you scam as the site is not working as i want?


Who is scammed i ask real?

@fluffyponny ? Mr Riccardo Spaghni?
running the openrigs scam : http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/2591c7/hello_members_of_the_cryptocurrency_community/

and try to get a IPO launched : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/private-ipo-vertpay-vertcoin-payment-gateway-595754
for his famous website : https://vertpay.com/

or

@pankkake ? Mr Romain Bignon ?
who offers here in forums pro. Headfucking services to people who like to destroy competitors?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.0;all

or

@davout Mr. David Francois famous Bitcointalk Moderator, best friend of Mr. Karpeles and working for the other french Bitcoin company Paymium
( 2 french companies working in Bitcoin : Paymium and us Bitcoin SARL )

Member of famous Bitcoin association in France! : http://associationbitcoin.com/
Owners of famous Bitcoin-central the European exchange already hacked and stolen thousands of Bitcoins :

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-bitcoin-central-321572
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-centralnet-we-have-been-compromised-186609
etc etc etc.

or

@forensick Mr. Martin Belobrand?

ex partner of Bitcoin Bourse, wants to run BitcoinBurza.com in Czech and Slovak, pay 1000 € in the beginning and think we give him full system. Than he want back his 1000 € when we dispute about he is not able to do more than speak!

When bitcoin bourse gets first funds from IPO i send Mr @forensick 10 BTC ( i can provide blockchain transaction ) so i guess this is more than enough and sorry man the 1000 € you want on top you will never get from principle this way, you are a Lawyer or you guess you are so than go the way the law is for here and don't menace my anymore i have saved also all our communication and your threat against me!

So is he scammed by bitcoin bourse or me ? no he is only a sad ex partner of our company and search revenge!!!

or at last

@jurov

also partner of @forensick in slovakia and friend of the other guys from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ owner of http://coinbr.com
Your online MPEx broker

listed all at bitcoin-asset.com


Summary:

4 Guys working on competitor companies
1 guy sadly our ex partner search revenge

Anything else

Nobody is scammed by me or bitcoin bourse!

This forum and davouts power as moderator is used in a very simple reason to shut us down and give us negative face to the public!!!

But the people know now your history about, who cares your words now?, i am not and i not will in future respond anymore to this shit!

If anyone have eggs you can visit me on my office and talk face to face this accusations, but no one have, you accuse people of scams but you are inside of the class house!

There is no scam on my site sorry and never will be!

In real world guys you face many problems in a court, but i not want lost the time and the money to sue Forum or chat Trolls like you, It is not worth for!

If you want be better than me, work to compete! don't troll me anymore! i know i am the pain in your ass but that's life poor guys!


Markus

This was my last post! Bye Bitcointalk Troll & Scammer Forum

so i guess im supposed to be warned now... but im just confused

The accusations come with facts and reasoning; if it's not true then stop by #bitcoin-assets on irc.freenode.net and hash it out! You won't, because you are either: intentionally scamming, or you are too stupid to know any better; either way, your "investors" suffer the same fate.

You are not unlike the false teachers of the Christian world; they like to distract from the fraud by trying to discredit the accusers.

Here's an example: http://youtu.be/WkAe8B1dHF8?t=38m12s

hey scammer /s/, I am not sure if it is you Markus using Darius name on email to look better, where is my money you owe me? There is still unpaid invoice from November 2013, remember you were crying that you will pay later? So when? I still have all that communication saved, so paid the invoice and get the fuck out of bitcoin, we don´t need scammers here

Dear Bitcoin Bourse Users, Investors and Merchants,

we decide to update our Merchant Fees for listing shares on Bitcoin Bourse as follow:

2% of Shares from listed Shares on sale
2 BTC Setup Fee ( for new listings! )
1 BTC Monthly Network Fee

Why?

Bitcoin Bourse is a Shareholder based System, the revenue of Bitcoin Bourse is shared with the Shareholders.

This Fees update will make Bitcoin Bourse more attractive to Investors self and attract also more Investors to 3th Party Shares who decide to stay with us.

In the next days some 3th Party shares who decide to not pay this new fees to Bitcoin Bourse Shareholders will be delisted. We wish them all the best on any other Platform. Shareholders of this companies will be informed by the companies self about transfer modalities to there new Shareholder Systems.

Dividends from 2 % of Shares, Setup Fee and monthly Network Fees are shared with Bitcoin Bourse System shareholders.

Each Bitcoin Bourse share "BBS" represents 0.001% of the fees in Bitcoin generated by Bitcoin Bourse.

Buy Bitcoin Bourse System shares and participate as well!

 
Transparency

We have rebuild our whole Shares System to have more transparency on Shares listed on Bitcoin Bourse, you can see Order Books, Dividend Historys and much more.

We thank all for the patience in this matter! Our Developers work full time to bring the new features up in the next days!

Bitcoin Bourse


@Little P 1  the 2 BTC are for new listings!
@Little P 1 there is no funds missing in your account, please check your history!


@fluffyponny @jurov @davout @pankkake please stay out now from this postings, everyone know now that only 4 or 5 guys from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ IRC chat only claims problems with us how sad is that for you guys, do you not have any work in real life? do you only accuse other companies of scam and more, each forum member looks to your profile history can see that the only people accuse others of scam are a small group talking 24 hours in a IRC chat and think about who is next they can accuse of shit things! Poor very poor!

@ all
If a Financial Company called him self "Hedge Funds xyz" or "Capital XYZ Ltd. Corp, LLC or what ever"  not be able to pay a 1 BTC fee ( btw this fee is for our shareholders ) we think they are in the wrong business anyway, so this companies can list his shares on any other working for free websites and not longer at us. This is general clean up on offers to public in bitcoin bourse.

Kind regards
[email protected]

Well I hope my company CVFS can prove to be part of that 1% please read our prospectus when you can http://www.cryptovest.co.uk/prospectus.php

On Bitcoin bourse they now want to charge 800 euros plus 400 euros a month. So its our of our price range to start unfortunately.  Also your correct their exchange certainly doesn't fully work yet in regards to the order book , messaging share holders ect.

Finally i had money *missing* from my account people that purchased shares the bitcoin just vanished.

So im sad to say not a great start however their news updates are pretty good.

Kr,

Malcolm O

We do not offer any securities. Perhaps you are thinking of a different service?

Shouldn't those have been things implemented before the initial release? How could somebody use an exchange without an orderbook or history?

@AcoinL.L.C

Orderbook, Dividend History and much more is coming soon!

BitcoinBourse needs a better trading client if they expect anyone to trade ontop of the current quality of projects they are offering. Would be nice to see an orderbook. It also looks like there is 0 volume on everything.

Well I guess this continues unabated:


lol.

Honestly lets be honest here. 99% of all these SO LEGIT securities are a scam. Many are ponzis, slow in process but eventually discovered. I mean I just read that Bitquick was a scam like Pirate, if true I am seriously shocked but then again after thinking about it...I'm not.

Hey Markus, you still owe me money, so don't publish bullshit, that you didn't scam anybody. You are scammer and everybody should avoid your scams

Mr Davout,

we must be real a pain in your ass? If you talk since 2 weeks only about us, means you not have many other things to do on bitcoin-central.

Anyway we stop now respond on your stupid problems!

The Scam is not us it's you and we wish you good luck for the future with bitcoin-central and your famous french bitcoin association.

To all our Investors and Partners we excuse to be a part of this jealous posts from some trolls trying to shut our Business in this way down!

You will never win! The smart guys know what happen and your problems can only be regulated by a psychiatrist!


End of communication here!

Nice, that's the blog where there are like 10 articles, 9 about bitcoin-central being this and that, and like 2 comments.

For everyone's amusement, yesterday's IRC conversation with the bitcoinbourse guy (dotcoin): http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2014#669983

Sir if you read the articles on our news site, you find out that we are not the source!


the sources are here: " Bitcoin-Central.net Insolvent! the French Bitcoin Association and the relation to MtGox! "

http://www.actubitcoin.fr/

http://www.actubitcoin.fr/ladmiration-de-david-francois-davout-de-bitcoin-central-pour-mark/

http://www.actubitcoin.fr/bitcoin-central-aurait-des-difficultes/

http://www.actubitcoin.fr/le-lobby-bitcoin-central-par-davout-et-gonzague-grandval/


and CryptoStocks.com issues

http://www.usacryptocoins.com/thecryptocurrencytimes/uncategorized/vircurex-an-exchange-that-stole-2-5-million-from-investors/

and

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptostocks-btcdvcltc-denominated-stock-exchangecrowdfunding-platform-88036

lol


You can't honestly point to articles on a site you own and expect us to take it seriously?


I don't think you know what Wall Street is. I think you may be trying to claim that you're the NASDAQ for Bitcoins, which is beyond laughable.

@rethink-your-strategy  Dear Sir "your words tell all about your education!"
btw we can build websites also for clients, if you have need a professional just let us know.


@davout please don't compare us with your company: " Bitcoin-Central.net Insolvent! the French Bitcoin Association and the relation to MtGox! "

http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/04/13/bitcoin-central-net-insolvent-the-french-bitcoin-association-and-the-relation-to-mtgox/


In case of actual CryptoStocks.com issues: http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/05/10/cryptostocks-com-in-problem-vircurex-an-exchange-that-stole-3-6-million-from-customers/


we welcome all Companies from there without a listing setup fee of 1 BTC " just show us your cryptostocks listing "

your shares on BitcoinBourse.eu now! - the Wallstreet for Bitcoins!

I guess not missing his mouth with his fork will already count as an acomplishment

> Some people here have accused us of  being a scam exchange.

Many people have...maybe because you're full of shit and a scam?

> The fact is not a single person here or on BitcoinBourse.eu has been scammed by us. We verify all our listings and take a small stake in them to share the risk with our investors.

Nigga don't make me laugh.

> This is not true  all dividends are public here: https://bitcoinbourse.eu/members#

Who said anything about dividends? Do you understand the term "order book", motherfucker? It's a BOOK of ORDERS. Not a BOOK of DIVIDENDS. Even with English not being your home language learn to read and not be a stupid fuckface.

> If you don't like the PHP coding we can't help you, but we are confident thatour system is programmed and built professionally.

So you're admitting that your shithole is written in PHP? And you're confident that it can withstand trading of significant frequency? Yeah, I thought so.

> We have 8 business of course but you are thinking one way and we are not, why we have so much business is easy to understand and we want to explain you here.
> To get a new brand to the market you have several options to advertise them with our exchange. Otherwise you can do by bu@$(%&!#*!823023 blah blah bullshit

Nobody cares. You don't need to run 8 different marketing avenues for your crappy exchange, you need to build a fantastic product, make it REALLY good, and THEN setup advertising opportunities. You don't setup advertising opportunities first, you silly cunt.

> Dividends of course can't be high in this time and next dividends are much higher as before. But of course if you come and think i invest 0.1 BTC and get 0.5 in 3 month back you are on the wrong place! The dividends increase with the success of the system, it's on all business like that and of course on our listed shares to, because if the Bourse have already much income why we list shares than?

Investors should have a reasonable belief in ROI within, what, 12-24 months? At best performance it'll take 818 years right now. Investors will never get their money back, ever.

> Bitcoin Bourse is the only System share his fees with shareholders, all other Bitcoin exchanges are get the fees in there pocket, but it looks like some people like this even more.

Blatant bullshit. Nearly every exchange lists itself on the exchange and pays dividends. The earliest example is probably mpex.

> You attack not only Bitcoin Bourse Business, even all listings are not worth in your eyes shows us real your competence, it is sad that people like you hidden behind a keyboard talking so much of bad things simple as they not understand any of this business and business listed on BitcoinBourse.eu

Go try list on mpex or even havelold and then compare it to your "requirements".

> There are some Trolls payed from a French competitor in Paris ( even he never will be a real competitor ) to talking bad on every our postings, (  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/threats-to-extort-and-blackmail-bct-companies-by-the-user-pankkake-344219 ) that is the only reason why we close topics!

lol I've never read such shit in my life.

> If anyone believe we are not real, you can meet our CEO in Person on French Côte d'Azur and he will respond your questions and care your concerns.

People met Karpeles and the guys from ButerflyLabs as well. Doesn't make them any less of a scam.

> We are still improving and building our exchange so we appreciate any feedback!

Feedback: close your shithole exchange, close all your businesses, and focus on doing 1 thing properly.

I asked if you're high because you keep asking about Havelock, but "Peter Lambert" hasn't defended them once. I think you need to learn to read, my boy.

That thread is hilarious, but your reasoning is still nonsensical. I've disagreed with pankkake before (on the subject of altcoins) and he's called me an idiot and I've told him he's wrong. So what? I'm not in school where everyone has to be lovely to each other. I'm an adult, he's an adult, any conversation with two thinking adults that don't agree on a topic may get heated. If you can't adequately defend yourself in public you don't deserve to run a business - any business - much less one seeking outside investment.

You had me at :

@fluffypony read please: ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/threats-to-extort-and-blackmail-bct-companies-by-the-user-pankkake-344219 ) that is the only reason why we close topics!

@twentyseventy topics are open now!

Announcements for new listings of any Company Shares is not spam!

Thank you for your attention !

The future is still here ! Welcome to BitcoinBourse.eu

Then why do you create new listings and lock them immediately? This screams scam and is also very spammy

No.  It's not.  Empty your pockets plz

We're getting paid by a French competitor? I've checked my PayPal, various crypto wallets, as well as my bank accounts, and I can't find any payments from a Frenchman or that are unrelated to my businesses. Can you point me in the direction of this payment so I can cash out and live the high life?

Have you considered that maybe - possibly - nobody's getting paid to say anything negative, and all the negativity is because you're simply full of nonsense? Just a thought. Use it, don't use it.

Dear Forum Members,

Some people here have accused us of  being a scam exchange.

The fact is not a single person here or on BitcoinBourse.eu has been scammed by us. We verify all our listings and take a small stake in them to share the risk with our investors.

Please note that English is not my first language so I hope you can forgive any errors.


This is not true  all dividends are public here: https://bitcoinbourse.eu/members#

If you don't like the PHP coding we can't help you, but we are confident thatour system is programmed and built professionally.


We have 8 business of course but you are thinking one way and we are not, why we have so much business is easy to understand and we want to explain you here.

To get a new brand to the market you have several options to advertise them with our exchange. Otherwise you can do by buying google ads or to by advertise on other websites.

We are thinking further down the line and have created our own advertising places like:

TheBitcoinNews.co.uk ( btw the biggest Bitcoin News site with more than 19837 News and counting... )
BitcoinJournal.de ( a German version of News )
BitcoinMatin.fr ( a French version of the News )

CryptoTu.Be ( a Video News site )

All the sites are simple created to advertise our product ( BitcoinBourse.eu ) it's a simple strategy that others not have used yet!

BitcoinCard® Project was running before as stand alone project with the plan to add it to BitcoinBourse, now we have integrated.

Going further we have the Project TheBitcoinAffiliate.com with over 3000 Affiliates right now.

These affiliates will  help to advertise  our securities with News sites and BitcoinBourse!


The result from Bitcoin Bourse and it's success gives us the simple idea to complete this offer for other Crypto currencies as well with the Project CryptoBourse.com and CryptoCoinStockExchange.com where is just the expansion from Bitcoin to many other Crypto currencies for the same services Bitcoin Bourse offers.


Not everybody knows that BitcoinBourse.eu was 2 month down for redeisgn and create new trading engine. We think the system is very nice done and runs perfect.

Dividends of course can't be high in this time and next dividends are much higher as before. But of course if you come and think i invest 0.1 BTC and get 0.5 in 3 month back you are on the wrong place! The dividends increase with the success of the system, it's on all business like that and of course on our listed shares to, because if the Bourse have already much income why we list shares than?
Bitcoin Bourse is the only System share his fees with shareholders, all other Bitcoin exchanges are get the fees in there pocket, but it looks like some people like this even more.



You attack not only Bitcoin Bourse Business, even all listings are not worth in your eyes shows us real your competence, it is sad that people like you hidden behind a keyboard talking so much of bad things simple as they not understand any of this business and business listed on BitcoinBourse.eu

At last why we close topics when we announce new listings?

There are some Trolls payed from a French competitor in Paris ( even he never will be a real competitor ) to talking bad on every our postings, (  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/threats-to-extort-and-blackmail-bct-companies-by-the-user-pankkake-344219 ) that is the only reason why we close topics!

We scam nobody and we have nothing to hide!


If anyone believe we are not real, you can meet our CEO in Person on French Côte d'Azur and he will respond your questions and care your concerns.

We are here to build the Crypto economy not damage it with scams.


We want to be seen as a serious market player with a larger audience.


We are still improving and building our exchange so we appreciate any feedback!

Thank you for your attention !

The future is still here ! Welcome to BitcoinBourse.eu

Are you about to defend Havelock ?  And you are asking me if I am high ?

Dude...rethink...your strategy.

TBH you do have a point i am a bit passionate because I believe that the crypto market has so much potential if people with  a shred of integrity get the funding.


And yes ... i'm high on life  

Are you high?

I actually did exactly that Railzand.

over the years i have watched and read. Thats why I know(as much as the owner full of hot air can) that this venture will work.


Dear Peter Lambert,

 Havelock knew about NEO way in advanced and did nothing to stop it or notify anyone to defend them should be a sin you have just committed a sin. I will pray for you.

I will repeat they knew about the problems with NEO way advanced and did not notify share holders instead they quietly sold their stake to investors and looked away.

Anything they say to deny this is a lie. They even told me on skype months before things went public.

bitcointalk forum IPO is the best way 

You don't have to pay the fee unless you have a specific reason to (institutional investor, etc.)

Just use a brokerage like CoinBr (which is cheap as chips), here's my referral link: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=M1rswGFFjv

The 30 btc lets you trade directly on the exchange. You can get that lowered by having a referral. You can also use a broker and entirely avoid paying that fee (for example, you could use CoinBr). I seem to remember Havelock saying they charge 1 btc per month to have a an asset listed on their exchange. Even without the referral discount, that 30 btc fee for registering with MPEx is only 2.5 years of monthly fees at Havelock. If you do not think your company will last more than two years, maybe you should not be selling stock in it and should secure a loan instead.

First, define what you mean by successful? Better question is when was the last time mpex listed an unsuccessful stock?  If you look at Havelock, almost nothing is above the IPO price. The stocks on MPEx are pretty much all up from where they started.

The rationale is that they don't want to bother with small timers.
Pretty much the same on the NYSE, seats are fucking expensive.



Your conclusion does not really follow logically from your premise.



Satoshidice got listed there, made me money :-)

Firstly, Peter, excellent response above. Really made me take a step back and rethink.

Until now..

They charge a 30 BTC fee?

Their largest stock by a mile is their own stock. This just makes them a huge Ponzi scheme no?

All this talk of failing stocks on havelock, when was the last time mpex listed a successful stock?

All great in theory, but institutional investors need things that a decentralised exchange could never provide, and they will never achieve the speed required to operate at comparable levels with a centralised exchange. Things like binary trade protocols, for instance, will either be hard to implement or useless (due to the inherent lag with distributed datasets).

You also forget that due diligence is just the first step in a process. Action must sometimes be taken by the exchange to, for instance, delist a security where there is attempted trade book manipulation, or where the operator is proving themselves untrustworthy. A decentralised exchange won't have that, so scams will just stay up forever.

[citation needed]


Because the judgement call when determining an exchange to trade or list on should be whether it has a whole bunch of JS. It certainly shouldn't be "does it work" or "has it been around long enough to be trustworthy".


Havelock isn't registered with the Panama's SMV - since you seem to think that the MPEx owner is going to be extradited by the SEC, how long do you think Havelock will last considering their false claims of local compliance?


"Personally, I like being beaten regularly with a pole except for the head trauma and bleeding involved." - AcoinL.L.C, 2014


I happen to really like the interactions I've had with Ethera, I think he's a great guy and quite savvy. He was fast off the bat when LTC-Global shuttered, and he got LitecoinInvest up in record time. When the exchange has been around and reasonably scam free for 2+ years I will definitely consider using it.


Bye

Oh, I copy/pasted my reply? Then I bet you could point to where I copied it from ... I'll wait, take your time.

Havelock should look to MPEx for how to publish timely, informative financial reports. Cryptostocks is great, if you are the kind of guy who invests in places that guarantee to "return half your money in half a year, or less!"

Personnally I like eating shit, it just tastes a little bit like feces



but with a pinch of salt it's just fine.

MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells. The owner of MPEx has multiple aliases that he posts boosting his own image. The first post "Peter Lambert" posted on this thread, was a copy paste they have posted on other security threads before.

MPEx is being investigated by the SEC, and there is a fair chance the MPEx owner will be charged and extradited in the next year or so. Google it, there are a few articles about it. Not to mention the ridiculous 30 BTC fee, and a site that looks like its pre 2000.


Havelock is the best exchange, the NeoBee is a big loss, but you cannot put that solely on havelock. They have a great interface + fair fees. Personally, I like cryptostocks except for the amount of scams on it, use a good password + 2FA and your account should be good to go. I also like litecoininvest, but its LTC only at the moment.


Cheers

OTOH it's reassuring to deal with an exchange that's obviously picky about the things it lists

next you'll be telling me decentralised currencies are nonsensical too and we require bank managers because thats a human activity.  

You've not eliminated the  requirement for undertaking adequate due diligence prior to investment (asset issuer can still go ahead and steal investors coins) but you don't run the risk of exchange operator running fractional reserve, being shuttered by team america world police, getting hot/cold wallets emptied and crying we've been hackd!1 etc, because you're dealing with a protocol; that's benefits talking about here.

Another thing to bear in mind is that not all scammers start out meaning to scam. They have good intentions sometimes, but not enough knowledge about security, and end up getting hacked or worse.

Or they think they have a great business idea, but will not listen to critiques, and end up losing investors' money, but keeping the Rolls Royce for themselves.

Havelol is floundering, has lost money 2 months running and probably won't last the year out.
Cryptoshocks and bitconbourse have been adequately exposed itt and others.
Decentralised exchanges don't make sense. You need a human to run a business. It is a human activity.

So please, new bitcoin entrepreneurs, remember you are not special and different, your ideas have been heard many times and they have all failed. Read about these failures in this very forum.

For now, in the bitcoin world, you only have one way of succeeding rather than ending up ripping people off.

First, do your reading. Then swallow your pride, mask your distaste and ask Mr. Popescu and his team 'What's next?'

The guy who runs MPEx is also closely involved in one way or another with many of the other listings there, I see no reason it would be any easier to fake volume of S.MPOE than S.BBET.

I do not work with MP any more than being an investor in some of his companies (and I have a link to CoinBR in my sig in case other people want to invest too).

Yes, I am actually Peter Lambert. (But if I wasn't, that is what I would say too! If you really want, I could gpg sign something or sign with one of my bitcoin addresses proving I am who I say).

There seem to be a few early adopters who have invested in MPEx, early adopters are all sitting on mountains of bitcoins, as everybody knows.


Think of it this way: If you had hundreds of bitcoins, would you invest with the anonymous guy with a flashy website that lets anybody in and changes terms constantly and suffers from periodic security breaches, or would you invest with somebody who gives out their identity, focuses on ironclad security from the beginning, and sets terms in signed contracts and sticks with those terms? The website is functional; when dealing in hundreds or thousands of bitcoins, security and function are much more important than how it looks.


And, to continue fixing grammar:

I have no doubt that Mpex.co isn't a scam, but I would still not like to list there myself.

I think distributed exchanges are the way forward, with firms handling due diligence. Such a company is currently being worked on.

Dear Anotheranonlol,

I hope your well.

I really appreciate your feedback.

I don't think ill register on Havelock I don't want to encourage people to get involved with them. Many of our share holders will be new to bitcoin and will simple require a register to prove their ownership.

I will be sure to let them know that its not safe to hold their crypto currency on any exchange for extended periods of time.

We certainly do not leave any funds raised on the exchange.

Kind Regards,

Malcolm O

But.. But... Millions of pounds traded each week? The largest stock on the exchange is the stock itself. There has been barely any new/good investments on it for years. The site itself looks like a high school project at best. I understand what your saying about time, but has anyone thought that there just simpily isn't enough money on the exchange to run away with? That they are trying to rebuild before doing a runner?

How many people here actually invest on that site? Seriously? Millions of pounds worth of people?

Sorry. I just don't believe it. Every red flag in my head is going absolutely bonkers

mikemikemike - when evaluating something it's important to evaluate it in the context of time. Even the most dedicated of scammers pulling off a long-con is smart enough to only waste 6-12 months before ducking. So ask yourself: if it were a scam why not just do a runner ages ago? I mean, it's been in operation for years, there's been plenty of opportunity to pull out ahead of the game and setup a brand new scam all over again.

That's actually a sane attitude, don't touch something you don't understand, work towards better understanding and decide when you understand enough to do so on logical grounds.
The insane attitude is deciding by following the herd of derps.

mikemikemike it's very dangerous to fake volume or to inflate prices, you run the risk of being beaten to a pulp by the market.
If you decide to inflate the price of your stock and I own some what is to prevent me to sell it to you while you inflate?
In other words, it doesn't make economical sense to fuck with the market if you're here to stay.

Because its their stock? It's allot easier to get away with?

Do you work with or are you friends with MP?

Are you actually Peter lambert or did you buy this account??

Sorry for all the questions but I can't for the life of me understand why you are recommending this exchange. You honestly think millions of dollars each week are traded in MPEx each week? Solely on the stock of the exchange itself?

I am a bit uneasy about Havelock because they knew about the problems with NEO far in advanced and did nothing to warn share holders.

I spoke to them warning them about the issues in regards to money laundering, poor governance and the fact that investors did not actually own shares just royalties.

You can hear my note on NEO here

I did actually take a look at http://mpex.co/

Still undecided. Looks complex.

You're welcome, I am glad to help you learn to write better.

No, it is not sarcasm (and that is not triple sarcasm either). If I was not being serious I would admit that.

If they were faking volume, why would they only be doing it on one listing instead of all the stocks?

Thanks for the lesson in grammar. The Internet is a much better place with people like you correcting everyone's English.

But seriously, is this like double sarcasm? I can't believe that you are serious

You honestly think the exchange where the only really active stock is the exchange itself is the most serious exchange? You've gotta be kidding.

And hold on, you think that volume is legitimate? You think people are actually investing in that site and the volume isn't faked?

Dude... Seriously?!!

No, I am being serious.

Maybe I should go into more detail? Havlock seems nice, but their reputation has been damaged by the recent NEOBBQ drama and their own listing, HIF. Cryptostocks is run by a known scammer, bitcoinbourse will let any scammer list. I am not sold on distributed exchanges. That leaves MPEx, the oldest exchange, they have a reputation to uphold, they use solid signed contracts for their listings, and they promote transparency (EG issuing detailed monthly reports instead of quarterly reports which do not include information an investor needs).

Your being sarcastic right?

How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569037.0;all

This is the latest in series of red flags associated with cryptostocks.

As far as safe from owners of exchange like the notorious cs you've currently listed on or god forbid.. Bitcoinbourse which I'm not sure I've heard of anyone ever contemplating trading shares on there, let alone actually taking the leap and risking it. You can choose a decentralised exchange which doesn't have an operator. Something like counterparty.  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annxcp-counterparty-pioneering-peer-to-peer-finance-official-thread-395761

Frankly though, and somewhat unfortunately the market isn't really there for decentralised exchanges yet. you won't get a big audience solely listing there. users are more familiar with traditional exchanges like Havelock and seems to treat that like a stamp of approval. That's where you'd get the most volume and the highest chance of quickly raising whatever amount you were after. As far as I know they do at least perform some rudimentary due-diligence and require payment prior to listing any asset, so you calculate which one you'd be more likely to go with. Most scammers stick with CrypoStocks because it's tried and tested.

On the phone to you I advised Havelock, that is probably the best one going.

Dear Anotheranonlol,

Where do you advise we list then ?

Where will investors be safe ?

Kr,

Malcolm O

Exactly, Nobody in their right mind would invest in anything listed on cryptostocks or bitcoinbourse

The other exchange is counterparty. Some people dislike the fact it is decentralized.

BitcoinBourse is not even listed in our investment prospectus, we just tell people if they say they don't want to use counterparty.

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Why do you need to be listed on more than one exchange? That seems more than a little retarded and you're just making way too much extra work for yourself. Are you trying to pull a Neo&Bee?
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Certainly not in fact have a listen to my thoughts on that aspect here. Click the NEO audio link.

I am not a crypto security listing expert. I really just want to get to running the business.

 However we wanted to make our shares available to as many people as possible.

If you have ideas or advice for me please feel free to pm me.

Kr,

Malcolm O

I was going to type a proper reply to this but I can't decide if you're just stupid or just trolling. And I don't want to waste my time responding to a troll.

Da fuq is wrong with you, son? Investors don't want a choice of exchanges, they just want to be able to buy and trade on an exchange that isn't a blatant scam and could disappear at any moment with their funds. Choosing to list with BitcoinBourse hurts your credibility more than it hurts them.

Why do you need to be listed on more than one exchange? That seems more than a little retarded and you're just making way too much extra work for yourself. Are you trying to pull a Neo&Bee?

^Only in fairy tales will you find a prince in a frog pond.
Before regaling us with such fairy tales, learn to spellink and punctuationz pl0x.

@MrWDunne:  you're no longer amusing.  Plz hunt responsibly    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6139952
Also get some clean socks.

I have no stake in this, but I happen to have interacted with Markus Weiler a couple of times already, my opinion on him is : "the guy does not even have the intellectual ability to be a scammer".

We're listed on there, simply to give anyone who want to buy some choice.

I have already brought up most of these issues with the guy who runs it, in particular the lack of historical trade data and the companies he puts on there.

I don't think he's a scammer, but we're not pushing the site either. We'd rather people use CounterParty.

Dear Dr Greg,

I hope your well.

I have experience in the private equity and investment management experience I am also the founder of Cryptovest Financial Services. www.cryptovest.co.uk

I think investing in the S & P 500 is a viable option however many crypto investors have higher risk tolerance and so investing with normal fiat is suitable.

There are alot of frogs out there but take your time and you will find a few princes. We certainly did.

I respectfully disagree with the statement that "the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk".

On  Bitcoin Bourse I certainly think their platform can be improved but they are trying.
I enjoyed talking to them and look forward to meeting them face to face next year.

I think ( not sure) that they lock the posts because they are making an announcement not trying to start a conversation but it would be good to let the conversation flow.

We are currently duel listed on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/126  and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two.

Kr,

Malcolm O

Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother.

Otherwise sensible people, who would never touch such junk if it were denominated in dollars or pounds, nonetheless will plough significant chunks of capital into these things if they happen to be denominated in Bitcoin. Otherwise sensible people, who would normally care a great deal about factors like management competence or the logical coherence of a business plan, suddenly become entirely happy to throw a stack of BTC at some guy named Guido (no offense to all the Guido people out there) just because Guido includes words like "venture" or "mining" in a prospectus.

If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better.

I also find this "thread locking" attitude very fishy (Not that I previously hold that exchange in high regards).
I guess the best approach is to create an identical thread, but unlocked.
i.e.
to
...and let the discussion roll.

An excellent question...this will go to global mods, though, and they'll fall back on the usual "mods don't delete scams" bullshit. Maybe BitcoinBourse should just be prevented from posting locked topics so his "offerings" can be picked apart properly and the newbz can avoid being scammed?

I'm getting really annoyed at that guy BitcoinBourse always spamming the forum with some crap IPO on a locked topic, he was exposed as a scammer or at least really really bad at business a few times.

Can we start reporting his posts?

I know, I was just sharing in our combined sarcasm:)

Yeah, I know I'm being super sarcastic here, but hopefully this post helps some newbies out. Good call posting it-

I know, it's surprising! With all their transparency I don't know why anyone could come to the same obvious conclusion I did.

You mean the guy that makes a new thread and then locks it immediately isn't completely above-board?

I am also looking at stock, BitcoinBourse is platform, I went to more but doesn't mean I agree with the platform of stock, stock or very early, have a lot of problems need to solve.

Three key indicators as to why you should never list an asset on BitcoinBourse and why you should never buy stock on BitcoinBourse:

1. There's no order book info is publicly accessible. Not only does this make market manipulation dead easy on their side, but it makes it difficult for any investor to make any decision and to even interpret market trends. I guess the site was "coded" by some 15 year old who thinks that PHP is just fine for this. Or even worse: some 22 year old that thinks that mongo is the best database choice.

2. They have like 8+ "businesses". It's great that they can knock out shitty websites so quickly, but it means that they're completely unfocussed and can't follow anything through to success. Using any of their services is like asking your lawyer to come unblock your shower drain. It's possible that you'll get lucky and he will unblock it, but it's going to cost you a shitload of money. Oh, and buying any of their "company" stock is just a no-go - if you were foolish enough to buy their very own "BBS" IPO shares at 0.1 BTC each you would have earned a whopping 0.00007138 BTC in dividends in 7 months. You can expect to recover your investment in about 9813 months (818 years) at the current average dividend. If you're particularly lucky and they hit their Nov 2013 dividend high every month you can expect to recover your investment in a mere 1676 months (140 years).

3. They have NO significant listing requirements. Getting your scam business on their is trivial! And to make matters worse, every announcement they make on this forum they do in a locked thread. That is fucking bullshit - investors need to be able to discuss it, and they need to be gain confidence in the operator by questioning them and evaluating their responses.

Don't get suckered into the scam, rather go lose your money on other retarded investments. Let this piece of shit die.