Topic: BitcoinTalk censorship discussion thread. (Read 169 times)

Welcome back.

If bitcointalk was censoring voices then all these scam sites, ICOs were censored before anything else. Just think once when Ethereum ICO was proposed and it was stopped by the forum then we would not see the ICO season LOL

Let's cut it short, @BenCodie, have you ever felt you were censored in the forum?

You created a topic so you do have opinion about this.
It would be the same like I said that I don't have opinion about you and than I write something like thsi:
So you just crawled up after two years of inactivity and you decided to write about censorship in bitcointalk...
Since your main thing in forum pre 2022 was selling accounts I have the reason to suspect that your account changed ownership, and password was changed several times.
Someone could dig deeper and research this but I don't want to waste time, because I don't have my own opinion. :/

You can't have forum that is totally free of censorship, or you can in theory but it would soon turn into unusable trash.
We had people who made threats, wanted to kill people, and they break all kinds of forum rules, so it's perfectly normal for people to report and for moderators to delete some stuff.
Someone who is promoting shitcoins and selling illegal stuff like narcotics can expect to get their topics moved or deleted in future, nothing wrong about that.

Why post in your thread if you don't have an opinion on it? At least review the evidence and take a stance.


Why? Bitcointalk offers you the freedom to decide this on your own.

There's the problem. Draw a conclusion first. If your conclusion is that they weren't censored and their posts deserved to be deleted, that makes this whole topic utterly useless.

I still don't get it: if you're so interested, why didn't you review all the evidence so you can share an informed opinion?

Better late than never

You might need to grow a but of a thicker skin.

Other disagreeing with you does not make your submission invalid, and you shouldn't delete your threads cause you think it does.
And tone of language is scarcely communicated over key pads. Meaning, one might not be ticked off by what you say, but it can come across that way when you read their reply.

I don't think that the entire topic is pointless because I don't have an opinion on those two topics. If someone is being censored they can post here. If ten people are being posted then this thread will clearly show that.

I agree. I would say censorship is removing something that should be/is allowed but is deleted against the creators will by the perpetrator (for whatever reason).

Don't you think if there was abnormal censorship, it would be easier to see if people posted in the same thread about it, rather than multiple threads? If you don't want this topic to exist I can lock it. To be honest, it's no skin off of my nose. This was all created out of genuine curiosity, but it seems I have ticked people off by making it.

I don't have a concrete opinion. Both of the threads are a little different and I did not think too much about them as one of the users were very extreme and the other may have been wrong, but I did not read enough to conclude. I came straight to make this topic instead, because it interested me a lot more and seemed like a good idea at the time.

I will read through both threads and I might form an opinion so that this topic is no longer pointless.


You "wouldn't be surprised"? I wouldn't be surprised if you were the one promoting this marketplace, since you have mentioned its name more than I have in this entire thread.


Usually, you can't see censorship, but it's good to hear that you believe it does not exist.


If you experienced it as a normal user with less conflicting views, it would be a much larger topic...but usually censorship targets people with less common views. If you asked a "normal" facebook user if their content was censored, they would say no, and that they have never had their content deleted.

Again, I am not suggesting this is happening here. I am only responding to peoples posts and kind of playing devils advocate at this point.
 

I will look in my spare time and if it really compels me to do so after some more research and reading, I will do that. I do not have a lot of spare time on my hands even to use the forum so I'm not really looking to try and change things here. I think I just got ahead of myself with my curiosity in this thread.

What I will do later is some more reading with Upgrade00's suggestion and put the results in the op, only for precedent for this thread being created, so that it's not pointless and it can serve its purpose.

Use the search option with the key word censorship; limit the search to Meta board and you will get tons of results related to this, it's not a topic that started few days ago and it's no surprise it's being discussed, this is the internet, people are bound to have different reactions to things.

You can list out all the leads you find, follow discussions there and reach your conclusion.

So this entire topic is pointless.

Deleting posts isn't necessarily censorship.

That's not how this works. Users can create their own topic.

Great! Start by forming an opinion on the 2 threads you mentioned: was it justified to delete it, based on the forum rules?

So it is not censorship. Censorship itself has a political component: you ban other people's opinions because they express political ideas you don't like, and that is non-existent in Bitcointalk.

Censorship here in the forum is not on discussion, ideas, or freedom of expression, but only on violating forum rules.
In short, anyone has the right to express his opinion in the way that suits him, but he is not entitled to do so in a way that violates the rules of the forum. Every forum has rules that everyone must abide by, that's just it.
If the moderator sees that you are violating the rules of the forum or writing things outside the topic, or that the topic has been completely covered and there is nothing new that can be added, then he has the right to delete any post in such cases, and this deletion is not called "censorship".

Without censorship, freedom turns into chaos.

I haven't seen any censorship in both of the threads or in any other threads. I had a lot of posts deleted and I got why they were deleted. Due to spam maybe. Both the mentioned thread has nothing to do with censorship. They were deleted because of not follow the forum rules.

Maybe a coincidence! I have seen two people crying here talking about censorship and they both have the same agenda. They were actually promoting Pandora Cash in the form of LibertyTown. I wouldn't be surprised if OP is a part of them but seems a coincidence to me lol.

I suppose that is the technical way of putting it for one of those cases. However, I won't share my opinion on them as I am not looking to get involved. They are no more than the inspiration of my curiosity that lead me to make this thread.

I suppose they are two different things. I do not think their values should differ much (if at all) considering they were created by the same person with the same intentions and values in mind. I do totally agree with you that without forum mods or rules at all, it would be mayhem.

I would think that people being censored would sound like discrete noise to a lot of people. Usually people who are being censored have their voice silenced to the best of the other parties ability. I'm not saying that's what is happening here at all, I am just addressing what you said in your post.

If there is ever a build up over time, then it's easier to know about it if it is being posted in one thread compared to many floating away. Many voices are more powerful than one voice (if there really is a problem at some stage). This was one idea that came with the rest after I saw the mentioned threads.

It's been a long time. What happened in between is a lot to write. You can read it in my autobiography if I ever write one Just joking. I have some free time for a few hours or more per week now. I want to be involved in a community again and I used to enjoy this one. Truth be told, there is an incentive to be on this community over others as maybe one day I can be a part of a signature campaign and this few hours of spare time per week can be a rewarding hobby. This is definitely not my motive, but it is an incentive. Why I am posting so much is just because now is one of those times where I have a few hours and decided to go online. I just post what is on my mind as I read new topics.

We are talking about bitcointalk right?
It's been long years and I can not remember I ever felt anything was censored to me. There are people sometimes cries but it's more like some discrete noises from members who had their conflict of interest either with an individual member or with the admins they way the are managing the forum.

Why would people cry in this topic instead of having their own topics like you picked at the beginning?

I see you woke up after a long time and suddenly started asking so many questions (in new topics) as if you were not existed in the forum. What happened in between?

The issue of those threads of their so called "censorship" are against the forum rules that's why they were removed.
Also, Bitcoin and bitcointalk are two different thing, this forum has mods and rules that needed to be followed or we will face lots of spam compare to what they are calling "censorship".

After browsing Meta, I saw these two topics:
BitcoinTalk Censorship: censoring information about Satoshi and Bitcoin
Censorship on Bitcointalk. My topic was removed!

I do not have an opinion on these threads, though I think that we can all agree that bitcoin is more about liberty than it is censorship...and I do not believe that censorship would be an appropriate attribute of bitcointalk. So, I have made this thread for three reasons. Firstly, to see if it is censored. Secondly, to allow people to share if they believe they have been censored. Thirdly, to enable discussion of the topic.

To help people anyone who is having a censorship issue, I will keep this post maintained with quotes for anyone who claims to be censored.

- I will stop responding to this thread to stop bumping it. Even though I am inclined to respond to some people, I can't be bothered too much as it is unrelated to the topic.