Topic: Bitcointalk Christmas Charity Programme (Read 432 times)

OP, where're you? you wanna an discuss about the charity, right?

I've seen this thread a few days ago, but OP hasn't explained their idea yet.
Are you still pondering?

I'm not sure why charity programme has to be linked with Christmas. I'm rather linked to donate to specific cases. Something like people suffering from wars, earthquakes, flooding, diseases like cancer and etc. I'm sure that there is plenty of people and organizations who are waiting for help and you can donate them without making charity programme on Bitcointalk.
Don't understand me wrong, but even with just good intentions, things may end not so well. We already saw such cases here. Transparency is most important thing, you have to count every Satoshi that you spend and show everything in public By collecting money from other people you take big responsibility and if something will go wrong, it will be your fault

"Christmas charity"? I'm not sure I've heard anything like that before so this would prolly be the first instance.
Is it supposed to mean that everyone would make their contributions into your bursory/Treasury? I don't wanna jump into conclusion cus I think some part of what you wrote had articulated that already, though (not seemingly). Times are hard; btw, no one is even gonna give into this idea as it's just about merry-making(something that's done individually). I don't think this is relevant, except if the purpose turns otherwise.

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OP hasn't fixed charity with Xmas festivities he said he didn't see it. If he's suggesting end of year charities it'll work with people if they're thinking about donations. Xmas charities won't be high priority for those who don't celebrate Xmas.

You have a kind heart to propose that noble cause of helping people out. In Bitcointalk forum, the members are so generous they donated a decent amount out of their pocket during corona, and I saw many threads and topics open for several charity purposes, and they were successful.

If you are planning for a charity, I mean you linked with any of the charity organizations or your collection, you might need to contact the forum mods. No one will trust anyone with money and I will also not.

OP should realize that no matter how noble they think their suggestion is, there are going to be users who won't make a head or tail out of it. They won't see reason with such a suggestion and this is because what tickles your fantasy is likely not what tickles others. Different strokes for different folks, they say. You bring in such thought, be sure to implement same during other religious festivals too, like that for the Muslims, Hindus, Krishna, Vegans etc. Otherwise, you would be accused of partiality. You see what I mean now? Just to remind you that in the recent past there were charity programmes ran by members here and the reports are documented. You could make your suggestion better by not tying it to the Xmas festivity. Those who don't celebrate Xmas won't see the need for an event tied to it. I'm one of those.

OP, you came up with the idea yourself, so to give that idea some credibility, you might be the first to give a charitable gift. Let's start with your example. Please tell us where and who you assisted. It is straightforward to speak beautifully and nobly; the main thing is that words do not diverge from deeds.
But as far as charity is concerned, and since the Christmas holidays are related to religion, then do as religion tells you. "When you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your alms may be in secret." Charity should always be generous but quiet. The one who does good deeds and understands for whom he does them is always modest.
Therefore, OP, if there is a desire to help someone, no one will forbid you here; I think many do this.

Coming up with this idea was wise. I've given it some thought, and I'm even curious about how it will be done here. However, I am aware of a renowned legendary member here @CryptopreneurBrainboss who has occasionally provided the less fortunate with aid, including gifts around the Christmas season. Anyone can carry out that action alone, without engaging others (forum members).

The holiday season is a time for love and gift-giving. This Christmas, be sure to keep the underprivileged in mind. Merry Christmas to everyone in advance

If you give them fish instead of fishing techniques, they will sleep one night without feeling hungry. But if you give them useful technique they might be sleep couple days hungry then they can say "if i use that techniques i wont be hungry".
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This is your statement right? Let me tell you about the situation I faced in my country. While walking on the street, a 14-15 year old girl came across me and said she was hungry. I said okay come i'll buy dinner for you and she said I want ice cream from there an in that moment weather was winter also And I met many beggars like this last couple years, and I understood that these were games, thanks to the girl I saw. They would get a share from whoever they agreed with from the surrounding restaurants. The people you mentioned in your statement are people who think about making money by playing with people's feelings in this way. Of course, we all have our own judgment. I do not help such people. The best thing I can do for them would be to notify the municipality. Because in our country, municipalities and governorships help those who really need help.

Let's get back to my statement from my side. I would be choose wisely who i want to help with the knowledge. Even if there was someone who would spend the balance in the paper wallet I gave for food, I would still help. I say I would help because I know that person will come back later and try to find out what this man gave me, even as a last resort. As a fresh graduate, I can do something like this to my sub-classes who are still students. Or to a friend of mine who has recently been unemployed. If they can managed to access that bitcoins they can move forward.

If money's been stolen before it doesn't mean all charity program admins are thieves but I can't trust them. I won't give to online donation seekers.

Trusting others isn't easy. Sending cryptocurrencies to strangers isn't easy.

You wouldn't trust a stranger in the street to give money so trusting strangers online isn't the best way to give for charities.

Christmas is celebrated all over the world every year for those who believe in the birthday of Jesus Christ, there are various ways Christians can celebrate Christmas, from gifts, eating with family, sharing with one another and many things that can be done.

A Christmas charity program is rationally good, if the goal is good and truly beneficial to many people,but we here have seen several cases that are not good for charity programs carried out by some members in this forum, the first page has been mentioned, maybe you already understand.

For me and very professional to do a Christmas charity program for the people.
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Most of us who are involved in this forum, received a few dollars from the sig campaign, plus members who trade crypto, I think that a few dollars are set aside for Christmas charity activities every year and are directly given by the users themselves to those who are entitled to receive them, I think it's better and professional without having to raise funds from the community here, only for charitable purposes on Christmas Day.

What is certain is that Christmas is not only celebrated by one country, of course other countries want to do the same thing too, as you want to do, Christmas Charity.

One of the most important things in life is taking care of others. During the corona, many high-ranking individuals donated, as well as those affected by the flood this year. I appreciate one aspect of the bitcoin forum, and it's a good idea that some of its members organize free programs for children and orphanages out of their own pockets. I also love the kids from my area that I know. I hope to see more of this every single life matter a lot.

In general I believe that if you are doing well financially, it is good to donate money/bitcoin/whatever to help others and I lead by example. Apart from occasional extraordinary donations, I donate to a charity I trust (using fiat) every month. It is an expense that I have set for myself as a fixed one, like paying the electricity bill.

As I'm normally a bit skeptical, I will say that I doubt whether the OP's thread starts from a sincere opinion or from the merit requirements of the campaing he is participating in. The merit requirement for this week already has it but there is a possible bonus.

Anyway, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

What he wants is to open a debate. So let's debate.


In an ideal world it would be better, what happens is that if you have someone hungry in front of you, he will not pay attention to you if you try to teach him something because he only thinks about food. So it is better to give food to the hungry and establish teaching them how to fish as a medium term plan.


Sure, you're going to teach a poor person who needs charity to eat a lot of things about financial freedom. Come on! Giving him a paper wallet is completely useless, because as soon as he learns what it is, what he will do is change it to fiat to be able to pay for food, or if we think of a worse case scenario, alcohol or drugs.

Well, it's a good idea just sometimes gather for and have a small time if you don't get into the discord server of the forum we can make it right there even just have a virtual party, for my ideal if we make it for the new year event or make an event which is more significant that helps other people.

I witnessed some of the achievements of the Covid-19 charity led by Royse777. et al and I believe it is a good example, but one must also be aware that charities can go wrong. Here is an example of it that maybe you did not know about:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-charity-and-its-funds-5376475

I believe that any act or campaign of charity is welcomed while it is carried out by reputable members of this forum and if the funds are kept in a multi-signature wallet then even better. The administrators could have some guidelines for charities, like keeping and providing evidences of purchase, disclosing public keys, etc. It would help.

The idea could be very successful, but you need the community to trust it first. I love your initiative to raise some funds for people but only if you can provide a service that is trustworthy and reliable. I'm not sure what the community would think about it, but I hope you get some traction!

Doing charity work is a good initiative, and can come from anyone not necessarily the forum as a body. There have been such initiatives in the past, the most successfully executed would be Covid-19 charity programme organized by Royse777 and last year there was something similar to what you’re proposing , I’m skeptical of these programs after Bitcointalk Charity Program - Give Hope To Everyone! failed. I think the forum should put more focus on the BitcoinTalk show. There hasn’t been any activity on the YouTube page for some time.

The charity program is doing well on the forums, I've seen it quite successful in a few chapters but I'm not sure if your idea will actually be supported. Money becomes very sensitive when in the past there have been several failed charitable programs, and it will be remembered by the community because the management was chaotic.

It would be better if you do it from yourself to others instead of expecting the community to do it. So without reducing respect, you are free to do it out there as you wish.

I suppose my thoughts on this matter are mixed. I really like the idea of it, but at the same time I have a lot of concerns about where the money will go, who will it be for and how it will be used.

That said, it is an excellent idea that I hope that it ends up working out in a meaningful way. A lot of people in this world are facing a number of challenges in their day to day lives. Hunger, poverty, and other problems have been an issue for far too long, and many charitable organizations are already trying hard to make a real difference.

Actually it might not be tagged Christmas charity program but I know this forun is good at doing charity works. I have seen so many threads by individuals about charity and at a particular time some persons will need to sponsor such charity programs.
I was not here during the convict 19 time but I have seen some threads that discussed about charity of covid-19. It is a good thing so even if it is not tagged Christmas because the forum is not only for Christian. There is always a means of doing charity in this forum.

Wouldn't it be better to teach how to fish than to give fish? It would be better to prepare a paper wallet for Christmas and give it to those around us who we think should learn the way to financial freedom. In addition, by adding a QR code and link on this paper wallet, an tutorial topic on how to use paper wallets prepared for Christmas can be created here. One way or another, many people will meet cryptocurrency, but it would be better to meet the right one beforehand instead of scammers, fluencers etc.

I have not seen any Christmas charity campaign either, I have seen other kinds of charity (Covid, natural disasters, etc).
If i had to guess why there have been no Christmas charity, I would say it is because people here also have plans off the forum during this season, so no reputable member of the community (who are the ones who could actually pull off a charity campaign) organize anything.

In the end, we all also need some time to spend with our families during these challenging times.

It's great to see that there are still many who care for other people who have been hit by a disaster, or even don't have a life as fortunate as ours.
We as humans should help one another, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion or certain class. Because as long as we are still human, we must be useful human beings for other human beings.
Let's humanize humans.

Various charities have been active on the forum in the past, but I'm not sure if there are any that are still active - especially after one such program was linked to misuse of donated funds. The question always arises as to who needs the funds the most, who will control these same funds and who will decide who will receive them.

I am more in favor of an individual approach, because if you are an active member of the forum, you can certainly at least guess who needs help, that is, who is having a hard time in life. Perhaps such things would be best organized within local boards where local members would join together and then donate to someone they know needs help or to a local charity.

Not that new I guess but would be good if it will be done in a way that it will be delivered to where it should be delivered. I think there's still an active charity program here considering I still see those people who managed it in the past but sadly not all charity program that goes here are 100% fine since there are still exploiters in the space.

This will need to go through our boss theymos if it is gonna be directly associated with Bitcointalk Charity itself.

However, I have seen many many fellow members who has done very good job offering amazing charity programs over forum. They have gone very far with their personal efforts.

Whether it is flood relief, war donations, hurricane suffered people and most successful was during covid 19 charity. There were multiple charity programs run by them and we had astounding opportunity to donate for the good.

So if something like that comes up on the occasion of Christmas then yes absolutely fine and good vibes.

I think you misunderstood this thread @348Judah. What OP is proposing is a kind of Bitcointalk Christmas charity program where interested members can donate freely and the funds would be used to support the less privileged in our society. Christmas is generally seen as a time of giving and OP wants the community to use this period and reach out to people that needs help. He is not seeking the funds for himself or asking for an Xmas merit giveaway. His intention is encouraging and I think he deserves some credit for conceiving this uncommon idea. 

Christmas charity in what sense? Are you referring to giving out bitcoin for free during Christmas, if this is your guess then you're already missing it because you could just earn yourself some good sats by joining a signature campaign which is evennfar better than what you demanded.

If you're referring to Christmas charity in terms of merits as bonus then i think the forum has enough threads that are already into giving out to members once you meet the required standard.


I think your Christmas charity quest should only be maintained within the bitcointalk community and nit extended to bitcoin itself, i don't know if you've heard or come across the bitcointalk community award ongoing, this is part of the ways some members of the forum organizes a recognition awards to its members, but remember that you can as well engage doing a charity from your own end to any member provided it's not against the forum rules, but we must not be too carried away from the major intent why this forum is created, which is bitcoin discussion.

There are also merits giveaway threads, contests, quiz, and other interesting varieties of help in different forms the forum has created to help each other, you may also introduced yours maybe on your country locale board or thread and lastly, try search onnthe forum for Christmas bonus as keyword and see some results.

This is a good suggestion since it is concerned with giving to the less privileged. Maybe some renowned and trusted forum members might become interested and spearhead this noble course.
 
Please I am not countering your proposal CryptSafe because it is worth supporting. I just want to use the opportunity express to my observation and suggestions. I have observed that people like giving to charity during festive periods. During celebration periods my country normally experience the highest level of food waste because many people are receiving more than they can consume. But we must understand that charity works should be part of our daily lives and not necessarily be motivated by celebrations. We shouldn't wait until Christmas before we organize a charity program. I am saying this because we neglect or fail to help some persons in need because that day is not Christmas or Salah. People need to survive before Christmas or Salah periods, so we need to support them before and after these celebrations.

Well, you have a good thought for humanity, since its related to charity. However, I've seen popular threads where members voluntarily used money made from the forum to buy food, items, laptops for the poor or less privileged; in form of teaching them about bitcoin and the forum too. During the Covid 19 period they was a strong bitcointalk charity program across countries and citizens that needed help, also when the hodlonaut case came up and he needed funds, members here sent money to help him win his Case. So, looking at the decentralized nature of the forum only a few members can be trusted with money made from crowd funding as you suggested. Keeping it an individual obligation is nice, if you have money for charity then move to the streets and help the less privileged and get rewarded by nature and members with sMerit.

My first response to this topic is a great effort, no doubt charity is a very good thing secondly my response to this discussion is I think this topic should not belong here as per rules but as in soft touch and topic sensitivity, I can consider this topic to be here still I would suggest to move it to the economic or off-topic discussion.

That's very much true most of the active members regularly to the Bitcoin Discussion session so charity from an active section is more reasonable.

I have been pondering over this for some time now. This platform have come a long way to this height and as members of this platform,  most members that have been here long before now have highly benefited from this platform. The bitcointalk platform has made many men which most of you can attest to that fact. For many years, this platform have been in existence and to the best of my knowledge for the time I have been onboard this platform and carefulIy research I am yet to see any post about end of year or Christmas Charity program organized by members, please correct me if I am wrong.  I think giving back to the society can also make impart in the society and also promoting the Bitcoin movement which would likely call for more adoption.

This is just a suggestion, your opinions and ideas are all welcomed. Let us discuss.

What is your take on this topic and subject matter?