Topic: 'Bitcointalk forum is going downhill because of dkbit98' - CoinPayCard.net SCAM (Read 1369 times)

Sorry for your lose.

I guess he learned his lesson after losing his own money...
Speaking from experience, it's not a bad idea for bitcointalk members to make periodic check of all feedbacks they gave, things can change in time and feedback could be adjusted, changed, or removed.

I forgot to remove that feedback. For sure, you can count on my mental stability being in peak condition. 

I guess you forget about that but now you sound schizophrenic because your neutrally-positive feedback is still on his trust page, where you say that you don't see anything wrong with this service.

Make sure you warn everyone to stay away from these crooks!

And research a company on Bitcointalk before doing business with them.

I got scammed today as well $165 total, added credit to the card from my funding balance and the credit never appeared on the card, no reply from support after several messages.

Around $115. Internet + base TV + phone.

They found the pain point of cutting the cord or switching to FiOS and are just below that. I could go to just internet and get some more streaming and loose the phone but it's not going to save enough to make me want to go through the time and effort involved.

Back to this, it sucks that people got scammed and lost money. But the NEXT time, because we all know there will be a next time, it's another thing that we can point to and say look it's a scam. Here are all the other scams that looked exactly the same way.

TANSTAAFL

There
Aint
No
Such
Thing
As
A
Free
Lunch

The more we point out that things like this can be legit, but they have to really prove themselves, explain how it works and why it works the better we all are.
There are some places in the world that don't give a rats ass about KYC and everything else. But, there still are steps you have to go though and things you have to deal with.

Cards like what was offered really do fall into the 'magical internet money' category.

-Dave

A day later, this was posted:

How expensive is your cable bill? I pay less than $40 for fiber.

I received partial card numbers in personal message from guy that was scammed by CoinPayCard and I did basic search to find more information about Bank and issuer.
Here is short initial summary I was able to found so far:

Issuer/Bank exact name is: Private Bank & Trust Co
This is actual company with address: 920 S Waukegan Rd Ste 100, Lake Forest, IL 60045
Phone number registered to Alan H Kohn: (847) 482-8100
Official websites theprivatebank.com and privatebankandtrust.com are down for me.

This is their page on Bloomberg website that confirms they are operating as bank:
https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0799354D:US#xj4y7vzkg?leadSource=uverify%20wall

Stay tuned, I am digging to find more information and connections.
You are free to add anything you find yourself.

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EDIT:
CoinPayCard account was online in forum on March 1st, so he is well aware of everything:


https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinpaycardnet-3521103

My concern with the prepaid is that they will drop the max amounts down to such a low amount as to make them more difficult to use then they are worth.
Do you want to have to use 3 x $50 cards a month to pay your cable bill?

OTOH, for prepaid you still have the 2 step process for some places. i.e. Walmat Gift card and then go to Walmart and use the gift card to purchase a prepaid Visa. Just a lot more time & effort.

-Dave

My card also has the 256 Chapman address.


Clearly has nothing to do with CoinpayCard in particular, but it looks like they are waiting for some nonexistent crypto bill from Congress that will likely take the whole year to propose and agree on.

Time to stock up on prepaid cards? 

Address they used is the same like on that shady Payday website from Nigeria, 256 Chapman Road, but posting first few digits could be helpful for finding more information about this scammer.
I am expecting from all other affected members to post this, so we can collect all information that could be useful for finding this scammer.

It could work in theory, and I think some of the alternative cards are doing something similar.
Potential issue could arrise if banks notice something suspicious with transactions and block or ban accounts.
Fresh news from Mastercard and Visa - they are freezing all activities related with blockchain and crypto partnership until new regulation is better clarified:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/visa-and-mastercard-halt-new-crypto-partnerships-report

Ik It's not the actual proof, As I mentioned earlier they have the same address of that mobile application

For the bin, I used binchecker and It showed the bank as "Private Bank" or something like that, I'll post it when I"m home

@NotATether would you mind (and anyone else who got a card from them too) giving out the 1st 6 digits of the card.

Although *far* from definitive as to where they are, having the BIN / IIN will at least let us know what bank they were using to issue the cards. Might give a bit on insight as to where they were operating from. Not to mention a call to the bank security office might at least slow them down on the next scam. Probably not, but it can't hurt.

Side thought, makes you wonder if there is a good profit center in doing this:

Setup a business. Get a credit card from a company that allows unlimited employee cards that you can set limits on. Charge people for the card (profit), give a crappy exchange rate for the BTC -> fiat load (more profit), then set the limit of the card to that. And take the rewards / cashback that the card offers (even more profit).
Obviously all the KYC would go back the the business, but does that really matter?

-Dave

That doesn't prove anything, you can change your forum's time zone to anything you want. And the same time is used in large parts of Europe too.

You're Right I've been just tryna find out what they use as 'banking api' I guess that one was it

The point is, Is it that easy for a company to legally release no-KYC credit/debit cards that They can just do it and run off with a few hundreds or a few thosands. I mean, that would be worth a lot more if they are doing it legally or really cooperating with some real bank or card issuer

Edit:

While looking around in the forum, I found that CoinPayCard's Local Time Zone is UTC+1 which would make sense if they were in Africa/Nigeria

That kinda proves my guess I think, as that mobile application is apparently for Nigerians.

I've seen the same pattern several times indeed, and I don't get why. It's as if they get angry when someone calls them out, and then show all the tell tale signs instead of providing peace of mind for potential customers.

Yeah sadly, some people think they know better, and they like to learn after getting burned themselves
After years of researching how scammers operate, I can now ''smell'' scammers after having just a few conversations with them.
I can make mistakes sometimes like everyone, but I had high confidence about CoinPayCard scam, that is why I refused to get free card they offered me in January.
Since they are now confirmed scam, I can now reveal PM they sent me:



Minimum three members from this forum alone, but I am sure there are more people scammed by this Nigerian scammer.

I made a flag here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/flag-against-coinpaycardnet-u-3521103-5441369

In the unlikely event that they return and compensate me, I will remove it.

I don't think we will be able to know the exact amount and an exact number of people as all the users are not from bitcointalk and all the scammed people will not report on this forum. So the total number of scammed people as well as scammed amount will remain suspect.

Not all self moderated service threads are a scam company, so instantly tagging them is not the solution. Maybe a disclaimer like what we see when a flag is created would be a way to go? dkbit was pretty vigilant with these guys though and called them out right away. Still didn't stop everyone from making a deposit to their service though.

How much in total did they scam people?
And please, any DT member seeing a self moderated thread for a service, please tag them as not scammer, but untrustworthy behavior, it could help to prevent a lot of scams. Please.

You are a reputable member whenever you noticed a suspicious activity your tag is already okay for them after which you can set such user or topic on the ignore list and let them be. Even their english are poorly written and I hardly comprehend their writeup, also know one thing too well that only those who don't mean will to this forum (intention to scam) that would definitely panic this way.

You are right and for them, it came true. They left the forum on February 22, 2023, 09:30:46 PM and one person already claimed about the scam happened by CoinPayCard.net According to that person CoinPayCard.net scammed 800$ which can be seen here. They proved them as scammer.

I tried clicking on links posted to download this PayDay app but it doesn't work for me, and I can't finds this aps anywhere.
On their twitter account Payday is saying they are Virtual Mastercards and Visa cards for Africans, specific country is Nigeria.
If address is same as for CoinPayCard than there must be some connection.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.
They are obviously gone from forum, telegram and ''cards'' currently don't work like they should.

For creating Scam accusation and flag against them you need to create your own topic with proof/images how much money you lost, and conversation with support.

Yooo That's crazy

We been thinking they still legit from a very short time

cuz the problem was really common and I've had to contact them via chat every time this happened and they instantly fixed it (When I had deposited a lot more than I did that time)

that's why I am seeing this very weird

I'm still curious to know what happened fr

Also I've done a simple search, idk if it's related or not - just some BS

All card used to have this billing address:

"256 Chapman Road"

https://i.ibb.co/wrbS2vd/Capture.png

By googling the address, I found this website https://www.usepayday.com/

Its an mobile application which allows to create virtual cards and they location is same as CoinPayCard's billing address

https://i.ibb.co/z5FNTmD/2.png

https://i.ibb.co/XDCKSRx/3.png

Could they be using this to generate cards? If so what could be the reason they failed to get this going (if it wasn't all about running off)

Edit: I found this shit too 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61569409

Oh you are lucky if you received any reply from him 
I tried contacting them several times in different times of the day but without success, and I can still register and send coins for new ''invisible''cards.
If they don't show up in forum and refund money to their customers, I will have to give them negative feedback and damaged customer should create a flag against them.

They don't have to do it in forum first, but they have so much options like twitter, telegram and website, but there is no word from them.

I will make a small update here.
they (or he, because I think one person is behind everything) are still active on their service, but apparently, they decide not to respond to complaints. until now he only gave responses here on the forum through PM, but even that stopped.
I tried to contact him through live chat on the website, asking a banal question, and pretending to be a future customer and I got a reply in a normal time period, around 3 min.
it seems that it is still accepting new users while ignoring the existing ones and keeping their money. I would say an obvious exit scam.



even if there is a bug, they should inform all existing users and temporarily stop the registration of new ones, because their system does not work.
I'm not sure I can say sorry for someone's loss here, especially not for the more experienced members.

I also do not approve of the forum PM-only support I've been getting. Let's wait and see what happens and if they somehow take everyone's card funds away I'm opening a type 3 flag against them.

I didn't give it a red tag, primarily because of your feedback. To me, it looked almost as if you were vouching for him, you also helped him in his defence in some other threads besides his ANN. Jollygood, who is always quite aggressive at any hint of the possibility of a scam, was also in an amiable tone. that turned me to give them more time.
since I haven't tried that service myself, so I can't claim anything based on personal experience, I thought you wouldn't risk your reputation because of such an unconvincing "business". but we can all make mistakes.


I can't really accept providing support only through PM on the forum as acceptable behaviour for any serious business.
also:


it is very difficult to understand for those who deposited their coins there even after everything was exposed.

I feel the same way, that is why I can sometimes sound harsh to new crypto business that appears in forum, it's my basic test or litmus paper for scams.
They really tried to cover their tracks with creating and locking bunch of topics, arguing with me and other members, and in the end they offered me again free cards in PM.
Few members took those fee cards and they defended them, so I find them partially responsible for potential scam.

Not trying so hard, but you are (again) defending them  
API problem does not explain why there is NO support, why that page is missing from their website, why there is no reply on telegram and in bitcointalk forum....

This is not true!
I personally asked them several questions with support on their website, and now their whole support page is down.
You should be really careful next time when you accept shady offers like this in public, especially since you are in DT1 if that crap is relevant at all anymore
Let's not forget that you did a review for them, as agreed:


Especially after I tried real hard to prove a point and show how shady they are.

If that is the case then they either need to get a dedicated customer service rep to handle what has to be done or fix the issue. With all the other complaints it's going to becomes a disaster very quickly. If they are doing it properly it should be a quick call to the banks API for balance.

Still not a bunch of people I would want to deal with, due to their attitude and the T&C they have.

-Dave

That is correct it seems.


The thing is, I haven't gotten any emails from CoinPayCard at all, barring the mandatory (and possibly automated) "please verify your email", possibly because a marketing staff does not exist at all.

Note that this problem did not exist before CoinPayCard revamped its website (it used to be black and only accept USDT). So I suspect that's when the bug happened.

That is, you have the balance on your card and you can use it, but it does not appear on the app/website, is that it?

I think that a service like this, having a failure like that in the API is very serious. They should try to resolve this as soon as possible. And they should even give an alert to users of the existence of this flaw.

Not trying to defend them or anything, but I want to write about my experience with this issue.

I remember in one PM I had with the Coinpaycard forum rep after I experienced this issue (for the 3rd time), he told me that the banking API they use would credit those funds which were loaded, but the website itself has an error and would not show the updated balance.

Each time, this happened when loading the card from the account balance, not when refilling the account balance itself.

One time (and this happened some time around Feb 1st) my balance was showing some really small amount, like $4 or something after I loaded about $60 or $70, but meanwhile my OpenAI payment was successfully processed during this time. I got invoiced, but the card statement was out-of-date.

First two times he actually manually updated my balance to fix the problem. But it is a highly annoying process, and I'm still waiting for him to do it again or to fix the site's API to credit $220 I added a few days ago.

The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.

You're mistaken, they were last online on February 22. The time is correct though.

Mainly because of this:
There was no hard evidence, and if someone is naive enough to trust a Newbie with their money, they're on their own.

I didn't like this from the beginning, just because of the way of communication and a lot of illogic behind them. for some reason, posts with a negative connotation in their ANN are no longer deleted as if they gave up on that and that's why it sounds like an exit scam to me.


probably because you can accuse someone of something that didn't happen. but unfortunately, that has also changed.

I wonder why some DT members posted neutral feed back for this user? The point of posting announcement thread on a forum is to assess the trustworthiness of a service where they are unable to censor people, and when they post a self moderated thread it should sound the alarm of untrustworthy code of conduct, hence a negative feed back being justified. This should be a lesson for people not to trust a service with a self moderated topic, hopefully they come back with some reasonable explanation though.

The forum account was online again today at around 9:30 PM UTC and not a single response from an account that has always been very defensive of the suspicious service in the past when even asked any legitimate questions. I believe the victim hasn't received any private message from them either.

This might be an exit scam.

Damn scammers! Looks like you were right all along.

As DaveF pointed out, it was right there in their T&C:

Warning to everyone who is using CoinPayCard.net cards! Do not deposit any more coins there!
There are several reports from people who send money that never got credited, and they are not responding to their customers anywhere, with support page showing 404 Page Not Found error.
People tried contacting their support on website, telegram, using email, forum account Account CoinPayCard.net was online yesterday and they saw complains from other member but they didn't reply anything in public nor with personal messages.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinpaycardnet-3521103

Let's see what happens now, but don't forget who was the guy who warned about them when they first showed up in forum...

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Friend, I'm on the forum for 10 years. I've had more active moments and less active moments, and now I'm very active - luckily, and I hope to continue.

And I can say that over these 10 years, I've seen several different phases on the forum, and he already had a much lower situation than he does now. And do you know why I think it had a lower phase? Because there were several users falling out with each other, and creating unnecessary divisions involving other members. I don't know if other former members agree with me or not, but it's just a vision I had of the situations that occurred.

Unfortunately, it looks like this is about to happen again. But, I believe that the community is now stronger and will manage to go through this phase naturally.

That said, if 10% of the forum were like you, we'd be even better off!
Since we are talking about more than 350k members of its quality. And I don't think we have that.

So continue with your questions, that's the only way we understand things correctly and we can all learn. 

Says the person who created a self-moderated services thread after they were unsatisfied with the comments and questions in the first one that wasn't self-moderated. Are you afraid of somebody asking you something you can't or won't answer?

Great customer relations skills. You should call him a dick or a cunt. That really proves a point and wins you the argument.

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There have been many occasions and there probably will be many in the future where dkbit98 and me won't see eye to eye. He knows it and I know it. He is often impulsive and allows his subjective opinions to dominate over objectivity and neutrality. That's my opinion. But that's the way he is. What he is not is a threat or negative factor on the forum.
 
He kept saying I am a supporter of your service in our local board because I made a few welcoming posts in your initial (non self-moderated thread) and it took me several posts to convince him otherwise. Actually, I don't know if I did, but it doesn't matter. Accusing him of being the reason for the forum going downhill is crazy and an attempt to divert attention to other matters and away from the questions and doubts people have about your services. His questions were valid, and I understood what he wanted to achieve asking them.

In a world and forum filled with scams, did you just expect praises and trust just because you say you are a good guy? It takes a lot of work to get people to trust you with their money. And centralized services depend on others trusting them. You started off on the wrong foot here. Instead of trying to correct and improve what you did wrong, you made things even worse by trying to have people focus on the 10-year old dkbit98 baby who knows nothing in comparison to you.

If dkbit98 was wrong or messed up with his line of questioning, I would have no problems pointing it out. I have done it before. And when he is right, I have no problems supporting, agreeing, or praising him.

Hopefully you will learn one day... 

As I pointed out, it does not even have to be a scam it's 100% legit, says so right there in the T&C


They can not scam, they can just legitimately shut down and take your money, they are telling you that right there.

Thinking about it another way, more and more banks are letting you generate virtual Visa account numbers with a fixed spending amount. I could in theory take your money, generate a card with that limit and give you the info on it. As you send more I just add to the limit. All while making the 4% and the yearly fee. And whatever cashback the card offers. All while getting a history of what you bought and where you bought it.

Could probably make a nice side hustle for a while till the banks shut you down. Then you just take the money and run.

Because as we well know anonymous people on the internet are trustworthy.

-Dave

There is a lot of work in coinpaycard, not sure if they want to scam right away or just keep it going and scam later on, but I did not understand what was their problem with OP, or why they had to make a new topic as discussion and just lock it within same day (I mean this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432748); I understand the need of them to do a new topic with self moderated, but most of this fight seems futile, don't take me wrong, but people can complain about 100% nice working services, is that a reason to close a thread!? lol
The questions of OP weren't that important in case like coinpaycard, or even interesting or even bad, but they reacted like some kids that are scared with the police at their door. I mean this is a forum where mixers and gambling are the most promoted products.. annonymous cards seems the last problem

Don't worry, I am sure some legendary members who are supporting them (like he confirmed) are going to tell them what to say next time
Now they created new third topic in Services for their scheme service and this time it's self-moderated, some members are even glad because of that...
If or when this thing turns out to be scam and people lose money I will personally take all those members who openly or secretly supported them responsible.

New accusation against me is that I am somehow censoring and deleting his posts to hide something.
Because he obviously doesn't understand English language and meaning for word consecutive, I would suggest him to go back in school or open a dictionary and use better translation machine next time.
Creating duplicate topics is also breaking forum rules.

So if you have a chance at identifying a possible hacker/thief and alert the authorities you just send them back the stolen coins? Seems untrustworthy behavior.

And again a post without any points.
Here Coinbase quoted:

• Screen risky crypto transactions to ensure regulatory compliance
  Monitor transaction and user risk as your business scales

In baby language, Coinbase Compliance helps us to determine the source of any funds. Coinbase does not hold, block or freeze these funds. We follow our own policy.,

That doesn't sound like you're following Coinbase's compliance at all.

And we said clearly in our response in the Announcement topic, that coins coming from gambling and mixers can be used without issue. And when a user should use a blacklisted wallet, that the funds will be refunded to the user who sends those coins. 

We also said that it's impossible for regular users to have a blacklisted wallet. As 99.99% of those blacklisted wallets are affiliated with, for example hacks on exchanges.

No need to quote unnecessary words, the scope stays the same.

In case you really don't know: lately, many services have frozen users' funds for various reasons, which can be summarized by the word "taint". It can be stolen, or gambling, or mixed, or anything else they don't like. It's always based on "third parties" without any evidence, and it's usually used to confiscate the funds.
OP isn't worried that he stole funds, he's worried that anyone can be accused of owning "stolen funds", and there's nothing you can do about it. That's why fungibility is so important.

This shows you inflate ego on this platform, just cutting a sentence in half to get the wording you need to cry baby.
This was the full sentence: "If you can’t understand an explanation that’s on you, I won’t explain everything in detail like you are a 10 year old baby who doesn’t understand how crypto works yet is on a crypto forum."


Our service is around debit cards, not stolen coins. I don't see why we should answer how our business operate internally regarding stolen funds. Can you ask a bank how to handle money launders? No.

Normally we won't share the 3rd party we work with, but here you go: https://www.coinbase.com/compliance

Oh no... don't tell him this top secret information...
Boss said it's End of story, so you are not allowed to ask him any more questions or doubt his words.
You must always fully trust his words because he is working with worldwide law enforcement space agency  
I can't wait to see who are those mysterious legendary members who are allegedly supporting him, but I can already guess myself.
If he can reveal unanswered message I sent him, let's see what other legendary members wrote him.

He said it's End of his story, so please don't ask him any more questions and requests.
Let him complete his scheme in peace.

Now he accused me that I am a thief who is doing shady illegal stuff, so I see his personal insults are getting bigger towards me all the time.
Sounds like something legitimate businesses are doing all the time  

End of story.

PS
It's very convenient that ''someone'' registered new account iLoveBtt today and his first post was in that revolutionary service topic ... sounds legit:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ilovebtt-3526680

That's a big "if". I wouldn't hold my breath after this response:
Very mature. And very common for people who see their scheme fall apart.

It's simple - if you want to show that you're credible, just provide some solid proof to back up what you're saying and add some weight to your arguments. This is especially important when you're trying to persuade someone to part with their money.

For example, it would be helpful if you could specify the sources you use when making statements such as, 'It's not hard to google blacklisted wallets.' ^[1] As you are discussing serious matters, it is important to provide reliable sources, rather than just using a general search engine like Google. However, if you are really relying on the Google to identify blacklisted wallets, it raises serious questions about the legitimacy of your business.

Furthermore, this statement: 'Blacklisted wallet can be found on public lists, provided to the crypto community by law enforcement worldwide' ^[2] absolutely needs a reference to show where the information came from. Without a reference, it is difficult for readers to determine the credibility and reliability of the information being presented, which can negatively impact the perception of your business as reliable and trustworthy.

[1] - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61524064
[2] - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61515830

I’m not going to reply to any questions regarding stolen funds anymore. The most simple answer I can give you. We don’t accept stolen money, if you do use them we send them back. End of story.

So you say that if some coins from Blacklisted address A are sent to address B and then to you they're absolutely fine, because they're not from a blacklisted address/wallet.
You're telling big words, but it looks like it's you who doesn't understand much.


This is a good one

A self-moderated topic, very transparent of you. Are you scared that other users will be honest to you? I have received private messages even from legendary users, that are agreeing with me.

If you can’t understand an explanation that’s on you, I won’t explain everything in detail like you are a 10 year old baby who doesn’t understand how crypto works yet is on a crypto forum.

And yes you don’t understand how crypto works, I’ve ask told you multiple times that you cannot blacklist coins you can only blacklist crypto wallets. It’s a shame that you are on a crypto forum thinking you are right and you csn blacklist coins individually.


Also you keep asking questions about how you can use stolen coins to use our service. That, to me says that you are doing something shady and illegal. Only thieves would make it theirs mission to find out more information how to avoid these preventions.

Now that I'm back at my laptop, I can quote again. I think this guy is an exit scam waiting to happen. Instead of answering simple questions, he evades them. Then he gets irritated and blames others:

He kinda got stuck in his lies and can't keep them consistent:
So he uses a public list, but doesn't have a list and uses unknown "third parties". AKA the ones that promote taint, but in this case, it's more likely to be BS.

He loves buzzwords:
Sounds legit, right? Some sort of magic worldwide internet police that an anonymous website works with!

Now imagine this: a worldwide Visa card without KYC from an anonymous card issuer! I can think of so many reasons why this is shady.

That tactic works though: there's no point in "discussing" something with this person, so he'll just repeat whatever again, or open a new topic (which I reported as "duplicate topic"). Let me try ones more.

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For cases like this, in Service Announcements, I post, delete it, and post again. That removes my "mini bump". I don't like shady topics to reach the top because of warnings.

I've tried to re-formulate one of your questions when this was in same guy's topic in Service Announcements.
His answer was weak, plus he started threatening that he'll lock the topic, so I didn't pay more attention to that topic.
I see now that he has more topics on his service and still trying to avoid some questions.

On this problem you're right (to pursue the truth) and his behavior is shady.



It can very well be the case. I've seen another user too doing this type of service and spawning new topic one after another as soon as the questions have become difficult.


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Thanks for bringing this back into attention. I've also edited my initial post there (I usually try to be nice/supportive for new businesses and this one is yet another one not deserving it).

Yeah, I will stop responding and writing anything in their topics.
It's obvious to me that this member has before been registered in bitcointalk forum, maybe with some other failed or scam project.
I said that initially I really wanted to test their cards, everyone can see that in my first post on their topic, but I soon realized something just isn't right.

Thanks for translation.
He is obviously using some translator and he can't speak normal English language.

I can be harsh sometimes asking questions to new companies, but I don't think this was the case here.
I never insulted anyone personally, but instead I received bunch of personal attacks.
Good for everyone that I developed much thicker skin in last few years


I don't know if they are a scam and never claimed that, but there is something not right about all this.
I say good luck to them, and in return I receive interesting new year message from them.

I've been wondering why this advertising forum is going to shit, and here is our answer. OP, you should be ashamed. Stop questioning these honest scams, this is not a place to discuss things.

sounds like a malicious tackle, but it makes me feel so bad that they find your questions so troublesome for them rather than a means to provide a better answer that helps others better understand their service and security. I have got to understand that team members who sometimes sound like that (respond in such a manner) are working on projects that sometimes run from their culpability.

It seems they are trying to save themselves some trouble with your questions. 

I, and my robotic friend who knows a lot about these things, will try to help you. Here you go:


Oh no, it is a shame that good companies have to suffer because of users like you, who ask so many pesky questions. How do you not know that they should be able to do whatever they want without any accountability or scrutiny? 

I've seen this behaviour before, and it's typically the ones without good intentions that don't like logical questions.
A personal attack instead of answers, that just tells you he's full of shit.
I've unfollowed his topics, it's pointless.

Can someone please translate and explain to me what writer wanted to say?

If I understand correctly, member CoinPayCard.net  is saying that Bitcointalk forum is going down the hill because of me and users like me.
He claims that companies don't want to advertise here because of people asking them questions like me.
But I am part of 10% of forum, and 90% are good users, but 10% is making forum go down the hill.
90% of my posts are worthless and bring no value to forum.

He also said I am a bit of delusion?!  
He claimed that I ask the same questions 100 times.

I can only conclude that CoinPayCard.net is saying that I am the main reason for destruction of Bitcointalk forum, but miracle happened and CoinPayCard.net  came to save the forum from evil.


Sorry everyone for being so strong to bring down this forum with my 10% evil fellow members.
I hope things will be better for good companies in 2023, and they don't have to answer any questions at all.

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