Topic: 🌎 Bitcointalk international 🌎 (Read 741 times)

OP’s data seems correct to me. I checked-it back when he published it, and I made it the same. Local board information posted is drawn from the general index page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php – number of posts on the right hand side of each local board), which is accessible to us all. He then turn the data into percentages over the total aggregate of local board posts.

The part on web traffic has its source reference clearly stated (Alexa – not Amazon’s), and there’s more on that within the thread.

Good claims but where is your support for this OP. You have probably done a good presentation of data but somehow I doubt that this is not accurate and this only base on I do not know what OP has basing to get this data. Anyway I was surprised that Italy and other next in line countries are also good in terms of bitcointalk forum users for which I know that crypto in their places is not that known or familiar or even use as a tool to scam people.

On my local board, the drop is noticeable (38,85%) in the last 10 months, but not dire not as steep as other local boards. On a day to day viewing of the board, it is rather scarce now in content creation and participation, and even the Beginners & Help equivalent section is way below what it was before.

It’s not easy to derive the motives (aside from general market trend), and merits likely have a role. Due to that, I eventually took it down one more level on my local Spanish board (see Análisis - Foro local Español - Posts, sMeritos y su reparto en 10 meses – in Spanish though (*)).

What I did there is calculate the Share of Posts within my local board, going down into the first layer of child boards, and based on the posts created there over the last 10 months. That way, I was able to treat my local forum not as a whole single entity, but as a collection of subboards.

The interesting thing I found was that 73,74% of the posts were in the Altcoins child board. Since I barely visit that child board, I wasn’t aware of this proportion, which obviously has a great influence in the merit per post ratio. For example, the main default section has a merit to post ratio of 0,138 (3 times above the average of the Spanish local board on the whole), while the Altcoin bares a measly 0,008 merits/post (nearly five times less than the average).

These differences can only be seen by breaking down the local boards at least one additional level. Aside from that, local context is normally required to interpret the results. Since it would be rather time consuming, I cannot do an analysis such as the above referenced for the Spanish local board for all the local boards, but if anyone feels up to it for their local board, I can help them in the process if they want.  

Thank you for your imformation!

The situation of the Spanish local board seems not so bad. Our Japanese board has has gone down 96.82%. It is the worst situation.
Although the situation in France and the Philippines is special, but I think that the declining rate is lower for local boards with higher merits / posts like Greece, Croatia, Spain.

Merit/Post	SubSection	post drop since first reading
0	עברית (Hebrew)	48,61%
0,002	Skandinavisk	86,33%
0,011	India	60,17%
0,011	한국어 (Korean)	63,65%
0,014	Română (Romanian)	79,51%
0,015	中文 (Chinese)	113,70%
0,016	Pyccкий (Russian)	77,53%
0,023	Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian)	84,29%
0,029	日本語 (Japanese)	96,82%
0,034	Polski	44,41%
0,035	Nederlands (Dutch)	63,80%
0,035	العربية (Arabic)	67,77%
0,038	Español (Spanish)	38,85%
0,041	Türkçe (Turkish)	63,34%
0,05	Português (Portuguese)	64,95%
0,051	Other languages/locations	-66,82%
0,053	Philippines	82,50%
0,071	Italiano (Italian)	79,09%
0,073	Eλληνικά (Greek)	27,88%
0,075	Français	81,40%
0,113	Hrvatski (Croatian)	49,43%
0,114	Deutsch (German)	68,87%

                  

Yes it is active. But many Ukrainians don't speak there as it's not comfortable to discuss everything in one thread..
This question was raised many times and not only by myself .. but no result
And as I understand we can't create many Local threads... well technically we can, but I don't think this would be appreciated by admins

As I said just before you, this traffic data from similarweb is not reliable. It doesn't makes sense.

Is the Ukraine thread highly active? I believe this is the most important indicator here to create a new board. First you need a high active thread, then many active threads... Then your board. Usually boards are language related z and sub boards for the country/region

The countries you have mentioned are also are the most merited local boards based on zentdex's data post where Russia is leading by a mile next to Turkey. This might also be the reason why these local boards are highly active as their post are being rewarded actively by their merit sources. The funny thing is 1 out of the 5 countries in the list are believed to be a country that "have declared" cryptocurrencies "illegal" in their country. Well it can only mean two things it can either be that the cryptocurrency situation in China is misconceived or the Chinese local board is a home of people breaking the law, I don't know about you but I know for a fact that it is the former.

Well I wouldn’t really trust too much what people state in their profile as gender (plus I’ve seen bot created accounts with dummy data on that field), but out of 2.481.270 profiles (as of a couple of weeks ago) there were:

-   Declared Male profiles: 95.831
-   Declared Female profiles: 20.308
-   The rest are non-informed.

Now if the field were to open up to more options, swaying away from the binary selection option, I would be even more dubious of the provided content, but hey, anyone’s guess.

Thanks for some of those minor number crunching, I knew Indonesia would be high up there, but wasn't expecting #2 behind Russia. Population-wise, Russia and Indonesia have big numbers even if you only count urban capitals, so no surprise. Other Malay speakers also post in Indonesian board, but I think one of the main reasons we don't see Chinese and Japanese users here is that they have their own localised forums. Speaking for China anyway, they've become accustomed to home-grown platforms... so they don't use Google, they've got their own search engines. They don't use Facebook or Skype, they've got their own popular social medias and messaging. They don't even use Github, they've got their own repositories.

More than likely they have their own Chinese crypto talk. The internet's quite a strange silo come to think of it.

Second hilarious's suggestion for gender. I would very much like to be surprised.

Yes, and a while ago I did Ahrefs analysis which also was a bit different)

But I'm very thankful that you brought this stats.

As we can see Ukraine is high on this list.. but still Ukrainians are denied to have their own sections... there is only 1 thread in Ukrainian...
What is also depressing is that we don't have a clear answer why there can't be Ukrainian section?..

I already brought the traffic argument in past, but no response...

I like what this international forum , many different language and interesting people. i from Russia and for me it's no only forum about bitcoin , also it's good place to learn and practice new languages.

I was going to post this exact information now.

I like similarweb very much, However  I believe similarweb data is wrong in this case.
5% of forum traffic from Brazil is a nonsense to me. Portuguese local board is one of the smallests boards in  the forum.

Using stompix data from a recent post , Portuguese board only contribute to 0.27% of total posts in he forum.


Even though many Brazilian users like me barely post in local, due to low activity there, I believe that 5% of total forum traffic from Brazil is not possible.

Which sites are more reliable than similarweb to see those stats?

Local boards have suffered for the most a 40-80% drop in the number of posts since the beginning of the year (that includes in the same sac the aggregate for local board regular posts and bounty related posts).

I compiled the data a week ago or so and shared it here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cj7zosB91OE_K6SzdmjV9PtBE1Vij1k_wZsok85mXVU/edit?usp=sharing as base to another thread ( Analysis – Merit per post per Section/Subsection).

My local board for example (Spanish) has gone down 38,85% in post creation since end of January 2018, being my last reading of 4.416 posts (23/10/2018 ... 22/11/2018). The data I have, as I mentioned above, is aggregate for each local board, without breaking it down by childboard. Even at the current rate of around 150 created posts per day, I’ve got the sensation that most of those are going on in the Altcoin childboard, which I barely visit. The feeling is that the day to day readable post contributions on my local board are starting to become rather scarce.

Edit: I'm preparing something for my local board, and as I presumed, my Altcoin childboard is a heavy weight in terms of share of new posts: Over the 10 past month, 73,74% of created posts are within that childboard. This is work in progress, so I still need to triple-check it, but that is what it looks like, with a monthly increasing share starting at 62,84% at the beginning of 2018.

I am quite more interested if you can maybe have a data for those countries which we do not expect to be in here?

I might want to site an example north korea, or any places around the world that we  might get shock that they actually are participating here.

Thank you for interesting imformation!!


Why Bitcointalk is not so famous in Japan? I think there are several answers about that.
Actually, I made a topic that Japanese board - Statistics Center  in the Japanese local section, and counted the number of postings on the Japanese board. As for the result, the number of Replies and Views of Japanese board are gradually decreasing.

The number of Replies
Aug :232→ Sep :247→ Oct :138→ Nov : 75

The number of Views
Aug : 19,926→ Sep : 12,605→ Oct : 7,375→ Nov : 2,429

My idar about the reasons is

• Many Japanese people are not very good at English. Therefore, they can not get much information from this forum.
• Many Japanese people are not very interested in the technical matters of Bitcoin and other Alto. They are interested only in the price of Bitcoin and which which Alto price will go up next.
• For a while many Japanese people used Bitcointalk to collect Airdrop 's information, but in Japanese local section the thread related to Airdrop was locked by theymos.

The situation of this market may also be affecting. How about the other local sections? Still active?

Alexa now seems to have shifted the data presented to:

United States -> 16,8%
India -> 8,1%
Japan-> 4,5%
Russia -> 4,3%
Iran -> 4,3%

Here’s another popular site to retrieve information of the kind: https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org. The information provided on this analytical tool differs greatly from Alexa, showing the following the following cases for November 2018:

Russia -> 11,65%
United States -> 10,06%
Ukraine -> 5,27%
Brazil -> 5,16%
Turkey -> 4,65%

The numbers are very different from those shown on Alexa, even for those coincidental countries, and while the underlying algorithms are surely different, they should not differ to this extent. It is clear that the best way to get traffic measured is by using the site’s own metrics linked through google analytics or similar. I’m sure that information exists internally, and it would be interesting to see on an official stat at some point.

As mentioned on this thread, VPNs are bound to throw numbers off quite a bit on the whole when pinpointing distinct user’s country of origin.

Good taking your time to bring out some stats


My interpretation of the stats especially that Russian dominance on the posting activities in the local boards yet the Alexa ranking stats state that the US is leading could mainly be due to two reasons

- Bots
There already complaints that the Russian board is invested with bots, a bot could post over 100 times in the board probably even using the same IP address. That is just one bot, so Alexa will see it as one visit and not count a hundred visits.
That's why u see US has more visits to the forum and Russia is no where to be see in the forum visit rankings

- VPNs
Most people like using VPNs and honestly i do use mine too on so many occasions when browsing. Funny thing is that most of this VPNs provide IP addresses mostly for USA, France, UK, China.
A good example is me, am not from the US but mostly my VPN provided me with IP addresses originating from the US.

Hello TrezorMade, i'm from Mexico and i love to bump the Spanish section on this forum, i even made some giveaways and interesting post to make from it a more active section. Ans same as you, I'm amazed by all the languages we find on this forum and how we have people from around the glove.

No. It is for discussions related to Bitcointalk Forum itself. And the title of this thread clearly indicates that the discussion within would have something to do with the forum. Though I think it would have been better to have no images on both sides of it, but that doesn't really make the entire thread a joke or something useless.


The number of replies in a local board clearly indicates that how much native speakers of that language the forum has, and I think that is what the OP meant by saying that he has made a little calculation. The percentages shown in the OP only show how many posts are made in a particular local language, but not the number of people coming exactly from that particular country.

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@OP, nice work!
It is really good to see new members putting some effort in making or creating posts and managing to do it as nicely as this.

Well, I did find it quite interesting and I think your English is rather good. Good for making an effort and considering making a comparison with alexa.

Now what can we say about this

1. is alexa way off
2. are lots of people using proxies where are the russians on alexa?
3. i mean people living in say the US may not have english as their first language so use local boards

I am shocked  that there are not more from japan where it is getting the widest adoption and most accepted.

I know that this is not strictly for meta but I don't think it is entirely out of place here. I don't have much or perhaps I would have given you a bit more merit than just 2. But you're on your way now.

The forum is home to diverse languages are nationalities,and the reason is not far fetched when you come to understand that it happens to be the number one forum for cryptocurrency related discussions in the whole world,all other forums simply are in its shadows
This changes nothing,as long as you've made your points known,most times some very good posts gets very little replies,as some poor posters won't be able to comprehend/come to grasp with the discussions
Thus if you feel you've put in much work into it and it doesn't get comments,no need to worry,many have read it and probably had nothing to say on it

Interesting numbers. I knew that Russian is the most active local board in Bitcointalk, but I'm really surprised that almost 50% of non English posts where made in this board.
I thought that Philippines is one of the most active nations on Bitcointalk, but it's strange that their board isn't that active as I expected. Maybe it means that they're mainly posting in English boards, even if they don't know this language very well.
South Korea and Japan are very advanced and crypto friendly countries, their markets have big impact to crypto world in general, but it's strange that there aren't many people from these countries on Bitcointalk. Maybe someone knows why?
About China - 8.5% is probably not bad numbers, considering that Chinese people have to pass The Great Firewall of China - it's not very easy as I had read somewhere.

Thank you for your helpful reply!
Unfortunately, my motherlanguage is not English so writing a topic like this is really difficult for me. I speak 5 languages and I am looking forward to learn more. If some sentences aren't well written, please do say.

That means there is something wrong with your topic.
Let's begin with the title, seems you didn't spend much time thinking of it, it doesn't look professional (Meta board is for serious discussions) especially by adding those silly images / won't encourage other members to click on it.
Now let's move to the content: to be honnest, gathering such information doesn't require 2 hours of hard work, it is all public in the forum's first page.
Besides, the number of replies in each local boards have nothing to do with the number of users from respective country but with how active those users are.

Don't let lack of replies frustrate you, write whenever you think you have something useful to share.

Well that's the beauty of the internet isn't it? It's truly worldwide hence the name the world wide web. I think a more current issue and pressing stat we need right now is how many genders are represented here? theymos should implement more gender options in our profile fields so we can see how many of the 24 genders* there are here so we truly can be diverse and also less triggering.

*Figure correct at the time of writing but new genders are being discovered every couple of months.

This is me when I worked 2 hours on a topic which didn't even get 1 message or not even noticed by anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEtorWba_Fg [Play with sound]

Hello!

I would like to share you how amazing this forum is.
What I find the most fascinating thing on this forum is the diversity in nationalities.
As you can see in 'Home', this forum has a 'Local' category for foreigners so that they can feel all feel welcome at Bitcointalk.

Today this category has more than 20 languages! Insane right?
But what amazes me the most is that this category has a total of 8,443,387 posts. This category weighs 3th most on Bitcointalk  
Now the question is what nationalities do our users have?  
I have made a little calculation by looking at the most posts in the 'Local' category.
The most posts were made in Russian, Indo, afterwards Turkish Chinese and German.
1# Russian (47.80%)
2# Indonesian (11.86%)
3# Turkish (9.44%)
4# Chinese (8.62%)
5# German (5.29%)

Arab    30079         0,36%
Indo    1001490 11,86%
Espa    243968       2,89%
Chin    728003     8,62%
Croa    33134        0,39%
Germ   446244    5,29%
Gree    37389        0,44%
Hebr    2426          0,03%
Fran    207827       2,46%
Indi     70259         0,83%
Ital      253306       3,00%
Japa    39528         0,47%
Dutc    46003         0,54%
Kore    14786         0,18%
Phil      214354       2,54%
Pols     24439         0,29%
Port     123779       1,47%
Russ    4036182 47,80%
Roma   43094         0,51%
Skan    8053           0,10%
Turk     797039    9,44%
Other   42005         0,50%
         8443387    100,00%

This certainly says something about the location of our users. But what does Alexa website information say about this?
On Alexa we can see that most visitors of bitcointalk are from the United States, India, China and Iran.
1# United States (16.6%)
2# India (8.10%)
3# China (4.5%)
4# Iran (4.5%)

(Source Alexa: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcointalk.org)

Isn't it interesting! Where do you come from?  

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year from all over the world!