Topic: Bitcointalk is Dying? (Read 894 times)

Nope I don't think so, in fact, this is still the go-to place to find relevant news and for feedbacks about news dropping of attendance is not an indication and there is no close competition so far, it will still the best Bitcoin forum.

Well probably this because of unfriendly user intetface. One will going to pay if having a bad IP address when regustering besides the ranking and merit system divides users in this forum. High ranks has a huge and good opportunities while low ranks are dying over a period of time due to merit requirement to rank up. Others will say that it is easier to rank up but in reality only few will be chosen as it depends on the merit they receive from.the merit source. Some.merit source are doing their best but because of the huge registered users it will be difficult for.them to spot good posts and merit it unless one user is eager to acquired it by posting constructive posts.

I agree, and I gave you one of my rare illuminated merits for suggesting it.

Of course Bitcoin Talk won't die. Just wait until all the bankers start their crypto projects, that will set it on fire.

I think the thread completed it's purpose and it's time to be locked and let go.
Hope the OP will do this, otherwise I have to report it to avoid additional spam.

For all those tl;dr guys > The forum is alive and it will continue it's purpose in the future, too.That's it.

Bitcointalk is not to die till the bitcoin is alive.  And I do not see any death of bitcoin in near future. 

Number of users / posters have definitely decreased and that is because bounty hunters are now away due to bear phase.  in bear phase bounty hunters were not getting paid because of no value for the coins they were earning.   so they stopped working / posting (as required for signature campaigns) ultimately the numbers of posts came down heavily. 

Due to merit system also several people could not earn a single merit and ultimately could not be promoted to junior member.  So they were not allowed to take parts in signature campaigns of various projects resulting they ran away from the forum. 

There is a circle to every economic activity..  after every bull phase there is bound to come bear phase and followed by bull phase again.  So when the bull phase will start; such people who have stopped writing here will start again and the post count will increase.

So there is no death to the forum; it is just relaxing from the pressure of bounty hunters (I have seen some people calling them shit posters)   

Bitcointalk is the backbone of crypto world and this is the place where all crypto encaustic people gathered around. It will never die because it's just not only a forum, bitcointalk is thought, an idea, an innovation, and still it's in early age and keep growing. It's making people educate about blockchain technology.

Bitcointalk is not dying. Just visit the Development & Technical Discussion board or Bitcoin Technical Support. Not to mention the general B&H board and what you will see is that almost all users asking for some type of help get the appropriate help and feedback by BT members, sometimes in less than 1-2 hours. A community with plenty of members who are willing to help others by sharing their knowledge and doing research to come up with solutions to problems, is not dying in any way.

Bitcointalk has strongly been alive, instead.

Who controled it?

In the year 2018:
Merit system is a big revolution of bitcointalk forum.
The demotion of Junior members and new requirements on that rank is the second revolution of the forum.

I refuse to believe that anyone other than people involved in account farming and/or shitposting could write such nonsense. Oh wait.

But, but, my shitposting income!!

A healthy tree is not dying because you prune the dead wood.

To those of you who would like to see more healthy discussions, there is a simple solution - start quality discussion threads, and contribute to those that have already been started. I thought that my coffee lounge thread in the Ivory Tower might create some interesting opinions. In fact there have been some good replies, but it is pretty much ignored. Sometimes I start to think that members are only interested in pushing their signatures.

Let's be realistic. Bitcointalk is dying. But this is a controlled decrease in activity. The emergence of the merit system on the forum created by moderators in order to reduce the appearance of new users and create problems for everyone else. Is it spam? No. You have to admit it. I don't believe anyone who sings the praises of this system. But this is not the only problem. The decline in activity in the cryptocurrency market contributed to a sharp decline in the number of new projects. Previously, each forum participant could take part in signature companies and become a member of the cryptocurrency community without money. Now it's almost impossible. I think that the forum moderators consider their mission to popularize cryptocurrencies fulfilled and the number of users will be constantly reduced.

I’m not even sure what that ratio means (people?, minutes?, Seconds?). I’d say minutes in a session makes most sense.

If we compare the number to the same stat from 05/01/2012 (see https://web.archive.org/web/20120105092319/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats), that same ratio indicated 262.76. With only 46425 forum members back then, it seems that the ratio makes more sense being average session time.

By the way, interesting to see on the referenced 2012 stat the most viewed topics ("GUI Mining …", "[1233 GH/s] Slush’s Pool …", "Deepbits.net PPS+Prop instant payouts, we pay for invalid blocks too", "Phoenix – Efficient, faster, modular miner", "DiabloMiner GPUMiner …", I just got hacked - any help is welcome! (25,000 BTC stolen) (*), "[1000 GH/s] BTC Guild …".

Conceptually, it would be nice for the official forum stats to be parametrizable by dates, so as to narrow down the stat to last month, quarter, year and so on. Not trivial though.

(*) The thread is 32 pages long, and has quite a fair share of controversy whether the claim is legit or whether it was a self coup-de-BTC. That currently (not back then) is equivalent to nearly 90M USD.

Yup.
Something is rotten in the stats of Bitcointalk.

I agree with you.
I'm here more than 5 years and learned a lot about bitcoin and crypto, when I just begin my journey in the crypto world.
Later we had a lot SCAMS because of signatures campaigns but now situation is better.
I don't care much about number of users but number of quality posts I can find on the forum.

The relevance of the forum is not determined by the number of users active or posts being put out, but by the number of quality content and healthy discussions being had which grows the cryptocurrency knowledge of the community, which is the goal of Bitcoin forum.
The most active boards are not the ones I frequent often, but rather those that interest me, and from which I can learn a few things.

Not unless the new forum will be launched. And yeah, they'll surely comeback once bitcoin has gone up again to its crazy value. Old forum account will also surely comeback when some of it has been bought through the shadows, we really can't control such thing as this.

But I agree on behalf of you buddy. Forum doesn't die eventually, only the admin can shut this down. As long as it is running through the internet, even if it has no active members left it isnt and wont be considered as to be dead.

There is no way to deny that users of bitcointalk aren't active like past times. But i can't be agree with OPs doubt that bitcointalk is going to die or not. Users will come and left depending on crypto market situation but forum will be on its place. Its true many users left this place after getting their profit but I beleive forum will not die just for their departure.

I always like to share that we are not only community members. We are a family here. If any member left or try to forget family for a short time that doesn't mean that family will not belong. That time isn't too far when we will get all our old members back on the forum again. Forum only needs them who actually care about forum. We don't need scammers, spammers, trollers or any simillar person like them. 

I'll rather go with more healthy and quality traffic,than a whole lot of traffic that's simply about posting off-topic Just to earn. Discussions are the basic of this forum and it's our duty to keep discussions alive,but we sure would not do that at the expense of the word "Quality"
On the eye,i think the level of posts have dropped on the forum, this in part may be due to falling prices of cryptocurrency etc
But to tag the forum as near dead is wrong,back in the days the forum didn't have as much traffic as it does now, but every bit of traffic it got then was worth it and beneficial.
If we'll be going back in time,then it's totally acceptable by me

It would be fantastic if instead of numbers, thousands of statistics of this, of that and bla bla bla. People could link to good discussions that are taking place. The forum will only die when its real purpose, which is to have good discussions on matters related to Bitcoin, no longer exists.

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For the OP,

What do you call the forum is for the period before 2017?
Did the forum been dead before 2017?
The following time series plot (for more details, please visit the original thread to get them), shows that months, nearly one year after the implementation of merit system, monthly registered accounts have fallen to almost the same range before spamming endemic in 2017 and 2018.
The merit system launch is a shock for spammers, whislt it is extremely good for the forum.

Eventually, spamming endemic has been likely wipened out, for now.

In  my opinion, the forum has not dead.
In contrast, it has been realived.

There are some coincidence between plots.

Yes it is and the only people will remain here are those enthusiast,and those people who wants $$$$ those investors wont last here,because most of the people here are only for the money.

I don't think that bitcointalk dying
Probably some users lost interest because of btc price drop and others because of less available signatures campaigns on the forum.
In my opinion, it's better for the forum because we have less SPAM now.

What? come on don't be bias toward paid / incentivized signatures campaigns, then for what reason will the forum be?. Though can't see the death or the dying you are seeing but be rest assure that Bitcointalk forum is more gallant and vibrant compare to all other crypto forum around the world.

Very soon there will be a major rise in traffic because the market has just began another positive move which i strongly believe will be sustain for another ATH. Also, it might interest you to know that next year is Bitcoin halving which is likely to take place between May/June 2019 so, expect many more visitors to the forum very soon.

Well I do my bit in trying to keep things going by posting in Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower. Have you guys considered that some people may think that you are only here for the sig spamming if you don't contribute to those boards?

This is something new, instead of the headlines that bitcoin is dying, now forum is dying just because we have less posts/users then year ago or something like that.

It is an indisputable fact that price is driving force for the crypto community, this is clearly demonstrated in December 2017 & January / February 2018. Also as some others noticed that merit system greatly reduced activity of a good part of the users who no longer find ways to make progress easily as before.

When I join forum back in 2015 there was a lot more signature campaigns then today, a control on some campaigns is just conducted by bots (YoBit, BitMixer), and it was a real spam jungle after which the administration introduced some measures which gave pretty good results in reducing spam, and remove some users from forum.

It is possible, Goggle analytics can provide such data but only forum owner can have access to it.

free tools and even paid ones don't return accurate results, don't waste your time and money.

Most of it is available as a plugin for SMF, but the recording may not be worth the server overhead.

Is that even possible? I can't seem to find ways on getting a solid informations in the outside, for it is not handled by the forum I think?

Edit: I tried to search for some tools to be used, and what a surprise its definitely possible but sadly it wasn't for free ( haven't tried it though so I'm not sure if it will be accurate )

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As for the OP, it seems he's yet to find out the other boards existing in this forum, SMTs are still running without any difference from the past...

Its only an average rate and its not accurate. Its not dying, in fact many newbies are still coming because they want to learn more about cryptocurrency which this forum gives that to them. If you want to abandon paid campaign, then start doing it at the end of the day its your choice.

Oh, at some point we can say this forum is dying, dying in terms of greedy people as the DT’s are now doing their best to kill those spammers and cheaters! Cheers to them!

The following charts show:
-   The number of historical Bitcointalk posts created between 2 different consecutive readings (*)
-   BTC price evolution in USD (source: /www.barchart.com).

 
Quite a resemblance there…

It is rather a question of perspective:

I joined the forum on January 2018, so from that perspective, the number of posts has fallen 5 fold and it seems rather quiet now in comparison, with many less new posts to browse on the sections I normally roam.

From a historical perspective, the number of posts is roughly the same mid 2017, and if Bitcointalk wasn’t sinking then, then it is not doing so now. But there is a steep downward trend which may (or may not) be stabilizing in de 500-600K area as of late.  

Nevertheless, if we were compare the proportion of crypto holders back in mid 2017 with those currently 2019 (I haven’t got the data), the ratio of posts to holders may have taken a dive, and the awareness created from mid 2017 to mid 2018 does seem to be brushing-off in terms of posts (many are bounty related obviously).

It’s really a rather complex multidimensional issue, where market value, product maturity and real-life usage cases, scams and loses, end of ICO gold rush, forum related elements (merits, trust, sem/seo, etc.), etc. all play their role.

Notes:
(*) -Bitcointalk number of posts is derived using public internet achieved data snapshots. Due to this, I can’t be picky and retrieved all data with an exact one month separation, so I’ve retrieved the most suitable dates with nearly a 1 month gap.
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Todays reading (19/02/2019) is shy of a month by a week, so real projection should be nesr the 500K posts for a complete month’s reading.

I've watched so many videos recently, that I can't remember the source of this information, but these are some facts that seem to be generally reported.

Bitcoin use is increasing, and this is evidenced by an increase in the number of wallets, and addresses that are active.
Lightning network is gaining acceptance,and this will increase the adoption of Bitcoin
The exchanges report that the recent pump in the price of Bitcoin brought new money into the Bitcoin economy.

I think the most interesting ( for me ) graph for Bitcoin Talk would be the trend in guest views, and the duration of guest visits, ie. the number of threads read per visit. A breakdown of views by board would also be useful. This could provide some information about the threads we should be starting to expand the membership with quality posters.

I totally disagree.
People seem to realize that the activity of the forum correlates around the number of spammers WHEN the price of each bitcoin was steadily increasing, which is not the case. For individuals who seem to care only to the monetary opportunities arising from the forum, they based the activity on the number of posts they see or comments that are created by spammers.
Ever since the merit system was implemented, it filtered out most of the spammers including people who purely chased profits due to the stringent requirements of campaign managers.


Please provide any concrete data and evidence on where you gained this number. Posting any false/misleading data can qualify your account to be sanctioned.

I agree that the forum is dying and people should abandon paid/incentivized signatures.

This are surely some wrong stats you have obtained from a un-updated source I guess. If you have got this data from the stats page, you should note that it is not updated until as the last update was on December 2017 as you can check there in the Forum History (using forum time offset) column.

More and more members are getting added evey day, and more conversation is generated every day here. Yes, there was some decrease in the number of users after the mass drop of crypto prices recently. But, it dose not make forum dead or inactive in any case as Bitcoin is less like an investment and more like a future digital currency. This makes some people hold faith in Bitcoin and its values and most of the early and smart investors of Bitcoin would never leave this place for sure as they already know the power and potential of Bitcoin.
From this I can say:
FORUM IS NOT DYING

You're wrong! You're only a newbie that doesn't know all about this forum especially its rules and you are here posting a topic about that big lie. The price of bitcoin's price doesn't affect the forum but sometimes bitcoin users are affected not the forum.The forum is not all about the bitcoin's price. We are here to discuss about cryptocurrency and some crypto related stuffs.

This maybe not the reason after all. Results from previous years makes network traffic of bitcointalk loaded, the only reason i see is; lack of opportunity to people who thinks about instant money making that  bitcointalk can give such as sig camp and at the same time the value/price is huge so easy money as it is.

Besides, LoyceV gives the answer 90% accurate since he scraped and only 13 missed. (does not matter at all)

Correct Topic for the Thread : "You are Dying"

Bitcointalk starts to die when traffic rapidly increases due to price spikes or huge bull runs.

It simply dilutes collisions between real enthusiasts that are not just here for a quick buck. As more people turn up only to ask how to grab a few bucks as fast as possible for as little effort as possible then they drown out and deter the real enthusiasts (most would have located this forum by now I expect,.. although perhaps a small % of new visitors that came just for the quick bucks do become real supporters of the movement) and they start to contribute less frequently.

When the bear market comes back those that were only here for a fast buck all vanish and the collisions between real enthusiasts increases and those that will support this community regardless of immediate financial reward whom may have dropped off start to get more involved and contribute more frequently once again.

I would worry less about the numbers of posters/visitors and more about the general quality and atmosphere of the board.

How easy is it to find an interesting and informative thread where people are getting along nicely and enjoying discussing crypto related projects/ideas is an indication of how "alive and well " the board is.

The price of BTC is not 20k anymore, of course a lot of people who is interested in the price only is vivisting the forum as often.

If bitcointalk dying implies the reduction of the amount of spam poster on the forum then mate death is not bad.
In my own opinion there has been lesser junk post accumulating in the forum of late regardless of the reason be it bad market or bad ico bounties the forum is having a greener eco system

It doesn't necessarily mean they have somewhere else to go. Most of those get-rich-quick scheme people could have probably decided to log out of the forum and move on with life having realized that it's not possible as they thought back then when the bull run was crazy.

one main reason is the bear market, if you look at google search






you can see that people are gradually losing interest in bitcoin , not so many people want to learn about bitcoin or learn how to mine it or search for the perfect ICO.

I don't have the complete data on the forum visitors, but i am pretty sure if we were to draw a chart it would look descending just like the one above, specially if we would exclude all alt accounts ( bounty hunters with dozens of accounts) and take only human beings into calculation.

but wait for the next bull run and you will see the forum under an unplanned DDoS attack from new comers.

The personal stats were disabled at the end of December 2017, exactly when the last stats were posted on the stats page.

There is so much drama in the forum, it impossible to die. Bitcoin is crawling up to 4k so soon those who lost faith will come back. Next year will be the halving so then the forum will explode ... again

Some of the argument might be true but where do they go when they leave, Do they have close alternatives?. Other options may not serve the same purpose as bitcointalk but project team lately dont think they can have that size of investors like in the past. I can deduct this by the renewed approach and reward for social campaign for their projects than for bitcointalk. People are not spending time reading the forum post like before and searching for news, bounty hunter had taken over the forum just posting or rather spamming.  merit is still considered as important but other benefits should be attached to the forum and more or higher financial implication should be attached to getting forum membership to control spammers.

Stats haven't been updated for a while, and the averages are all-time averages.
Basically, it's wrong.

To give a more accurate example: Yesterday (Dutch time) 17905 posts were created by 6112 users. I might have missed a few users, I failed scraping 13 of those posts, but the result is pretty accurate.
This number doesn't include online users who read but didn't post.

To answer your question: Bitcointalk isn't dying.

Parts of the stats page seem to be dead since December 2017 so the numbers are probably not accurate. Besides the average might include early days in 2010-2011.

Not true at all. The reality actually is after the introduction of the merit system, most spammers and account farmers left.
This has been coupled with much stricter forum rules lately like negative trusting misbehaving users and also the bear market.

There was an influx of all sorts of people in the forum towards the end of 2017 due to the bull run where the were seeking airdrops, bounties and ICO of which many have since starved off now due to the lengthy bear run.

That cannot possibly be accurate.

Based on forum stats:

Average online per day: 178.41